Re: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
Hi John Clark Religious faith is like trust in your father, but the one in heaven instead. With faith you have everything. Without faith you have nothing. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 11:27:35 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Fri, Sep 14, 2012? Roger Clough wrote: > Faith is ?o me at least a virtue since it is associated with hope and love. Faith is believing in something when there is absolutely no reason for doing so; an optimist with faith would believe in things that fill him with hope and love, and a pessimist with faith would believe in things that fill him with despair and hate. Both are idiots. ? John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
Hi Craig Weinberg To use Russell's discriminations: Faith is knowledge by experience (meaning personal or subjective knowledge) Belief is knowledge by description. Public, objective, shareable, in words (The Bible). Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/15/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:05 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Friday, September 14, 2012 7:10:17 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust, confidence, etc. Faith Noun:Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Can't exactly the same thing be said of belief? be?ief Noun: An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction. Craig Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). They are exclusively in the fom of words. For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds. The personal or private part of religion is called faith. It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like trust or motivation. Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of physics etc. It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of religion though. In some other traditions, faith can be the public proclamation in words and belief is the privately expressed as wordless. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/mUtjBvMhl8sJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Qe9BSYnICrAJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
On Friday, September 14, 2012 7:10:17 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust, > confidence, etc. > > Faith > > Noun: > >1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. >2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on >spiritual apprehension rather than proof. > > Can't exactly the same thing be said of belief? be·lief Noun: 1. An *acceptance* that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or * conviction*. Craig > > Roger Clough, rcl...@verizon.net > 9/14/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 > *Subject:* Re: Re: The poverty of computers > > > > On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: >> >> Hi Bruno Marchal >> >> The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). >> They are exclusively in the fom of words. >> For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds. >> >> The personal or private part of religion is called faith. >> It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like trust or >> motivation. >> Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of physics etc. >> >> >> It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of religion > though. In some other traditions, faith can be the public proclamation in > words and belief is the privately expressed as wordless. > > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/mUtjBvMhl8sJ. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-li...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Qe9BSYnICrAJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 Roger Clough wrote: > Faith is to me at least a virtue since it is associated with hope and > love. > Faith is believing in something when there is absolutely no reason for doing so; an optimist with faith would believe in things that fill him with hope and love, and a pessimist with faith would believe in things that fill him with despair and hate. Both are idiots. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
Hi John Clark Faith is to me at least a virtue since it is associated with hope and love. Religion is not faith. It is a social tradition of men. Men-- you know-- whose lives can be natsy, brutish and short. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 10:58:09 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Thu, Sep 13, 2012? Roger Clough wrote: > Theology is based on faith I understand that theology is based on faith, what I don't understand is why faith is supposed to be a virtue. > and moral practice. Then why is the history of religion a list of one atrocity after another? ? John K Clark ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
Hi Craig Weinberg Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust, confidence, etc. Faith Noun:Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). They are exclusively in the fom of words. For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds. The personal or private part of religion is called faith. It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like trust or motivation. Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of physics etc. It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of religion though. In some other traditions, faith can be the public proclamation in words and belief is the privately expressed as wordless. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/mUtjBvMhl8sJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
Hi John Clark God is nonphysical, so science (which can only deal with the physical) cannot find him or deal with him in any way. There are facts and values. Science can only deal with facts.Religion can only deals with values. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/11/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 12:27:54 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Mon, Sep 10, 2012? Roger Clough wrote: ?> If you are an atheist, prove that God does not exist. If you can't, you are a hypocrite in attacking those that do believe that God exists. You haven't a leg to stand on. A fool disbelieves only in the things he can prove not to exist, the wise man also disbelieves in things that are silly. A china teapot orbiting the planet Uranus is silly, and so is God. ?ohn K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
