Re: Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-21 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist 

That is specified in my Living Will

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12/21/2012 
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Subject: Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox


Roger,
Your pro-life stance includes the doctor keeping you alive at all costs
whereas if you really believed in an afterlife, you are better off dead.
Richard

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Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-20 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist 

How so ?


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Subject: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox


Roger,

I am amused the a believer like you
does not factor in your thinking
the existence of the afterlife.
Richard

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
 Hi Bruno Marchal

 There is a gray area called quality of life.


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 On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:01, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:



 On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:


 On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:49, Roger Clough wrote:

 Hi Stephen P. King

 I define good as that which enhances life and evil
 as that which diminishes it.


 Is pro-life activism enhancing life or diminishing life?

 Some pro-life doctor are against euthanasia, even passive euthanasia, with
 the result that they transform dying patient into machines. But most of them
 are naive believer, and as such, they disbelieve comp, and so their pro-life
 activity begins to be contradictory.

 The question is: does an artificial, or even virtual body, enhance life
 or suppress life?

 Bruno



 That's tricky.

 The aristotelean pro-life doctor does not believe she/he is turning the
 dying patient into a machine. That Doctor thinks they are saving the
 universe from one of its fundamental properties: death, entropy. I don't
 know if most of them are naive believer in the sense that most doctors in
 this domain are well aware that it is a loosing battle, and I guess outing
 yourself as pro-euthanasia carries some heavy implications in your day to
 day practice, interaction, and judgement from peers, directors, and
 employers. I guess, most would be cooler with this if they could. So
 naive believer, yeah maybe some, but more I'd guess live in fear of
 getting their voice heard.

 To tackle the question straight-on:

 1) depends on manufacturer, market, price and warranty conditions, and the
 local universe. You did remember to submit the appropriate forms before
 rental of Bruno, didn't you? I say this, because it seems like sometimes
 you forget with this kind of question :)


 I am not sure I get the point. Mine was only that the pro-life doctor will
 transform people into machine (as they do already somehow), and that can
 contradict the general anti-mechanist prejudice of many pro-life activists.




 2) Heidegger was just joking. Nobody was thrown; he just got a bit of
 nausea after signing all the soul-body binding contracts and wants
 modification of warranty terms. I don't know whether his appeal was heard by
 the courts, any of you?


 Lol. But still don't see the point. keep in mind that logicians are simple
 mind :)



 3) But after flying for platonic infinities through every possible universe
 as a disembodied soul eye with infinite memory at any speed you wished, you
 would go sign up for another round to be entangled with some strange
 universe physically again and push the format disk button once again and
 agree to all constraints, just for novelty's sake and say sh*t, it's boring
 here... but I am no chicken, I choose a local universe where aristoteleans
 are winning, just to make it more interesting, because the platonic
 localities are too much already like here...also, I'll choose one where
 matter is really convincing and makes us unable to define life properly, so
 that I can pose this question in a forum someday, and confuse the others a
 bit, hehe.


 OK. But for once, my question was terrestrial. Of course such question makes
 less global sense in Platonia, but can still make sense locally, even there.

 Bruno




 :)

 Cowboy

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Re: Re: Re: The pro-life paradox

2012-12-20 Thread Richard Ruquist
Roger,
Your pro-life stance includes the doctor keeping you alive at all costs
whereas if you really believed in an afterlife, you are better off dead.
Richard

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