Re: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer
Hi Stephen P. King There was only one Big Bang, at least this time around, because they have been able to measure it happening about 19 billion years ago. There are otgher measurments such as the background radiation that tell us more about it. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-04, 11:55:08 Subject: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer On 9/4/2012 10:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King IMHO I would put it that life begets life, no means required. Just as at Christmas time in church we pass a flame from one candle to another. Creation was like an ignition of life like a flame, like lighting a match. Hi Roger, But you are still not seeing the point that there is a difference between ontologies that postulate a special initial event that holds globally for all worlds and ontologies that consider initial events as the dual of event horizons, e.g they are local events and not global absolutes. I am inclined to believe in an Infinite and eternal Omniverse within which our local universe is just a finite projection of the whole. This includes the idea that it will appear to have an initial event simply because the observers in this universe cannot look back any further than our common event horizon. What Life is or is not is a debate for some other time. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-03, 15:00:45 Subject: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer On 9/3/2012 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King 1) The pre-established harmony is beyond the laws of physics. For nothing is perfect in this contingent world. The preestablished harmony was designed before the beginning of gthe world, and since God is good, presumably gthe pre-established harmony is the best possible one in a contingent world. Hi Roger, One cannot make claims that are self-contradictions. Creation can not happen if the means that allow the creation are not available prior to the creation. One indication is the sheer improbability of the structure of the physical universe so that life is possible. I liken it to a divine musical composition with God as the conductor, and various objects playing parts in harmony. 2) The monads have no windows, so they are all blind. The perceptions are images are provided by God, or the Supreme monad, the only one able to see all and know all. Each monad is provided with a continually updated view of the perceptions\ all all of the mother monad perceptions, so it k nows everything in the universe from its own point of view. 3) I have been criticized for calling the monadic structure as tree-like, and I could be wrong. But as I understand them, the monads can be described by category theory if that's the right word, since each substance can be desribed by its predicates and presumably the predicates have predicates and so on. Since all of the monads necessarily are within the supreme monad, it would be the root of the tree. Of course a tree with an infinite number of branches and subbranches, etc. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer
Hi Stephen P. King IMHO I would put it that life begets life, no means required. Just as at Christmas time in church we pass a flame from one candle to another. Creation was like an ignition of life like a flame, like lighting a match. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/4/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-03, 15:00:45 Subject: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer On 9/3/2012 10:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King 1) The pre-established harmony is beyond the laws of physics. For nothing is perfect in this contingent world. The preestablished harmony was designed before the beginning of gthe world, and since God is good, presumably gthe pre-established harmony is the best possible one in a contingent world. Hi Roger, One cannot make claims that are self-contradictions. Creation can not happen if the means that allow the creation are not available prior to the creation. One indication is the sheer improbability of the structure of the physical universe so that life is possible. I liken it to a divine musical composition with God as the conductor, and various objects playing parts in harmony. 2) The monads have no windows, so they are all blind. The perceptions are images are provided by God, or the Supreme monad, the only one able to see all and know all. Each monad is provided with a continually updated view of the perceptions\ all all of the mother monad perceptions, so it k nows everything in the universe from its own point of view. 3) I have been criticized for calling the monadic structure as tree-like, and I could be wrong. But as I understand them, the monads can be described by category theory if that's the right word, since each substance can be desribed by its predicates and presumably the predicates have predicates and so on. Since all of the monads necessarily are within the supreme monad, it would be the root of the tree. Of course a tree with an infinite number of branches and subbranches, etc. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer
Hi Stephen P. King 1) The pre-established harmony is beyond the laws of physics. For nothing is perfect in this contingent world. The preestablished harmony was designed before the beginning of gthe world, and since God is good, presumably gthe pre-established harmony is the best possible one in a contingent world. One indication is the sheer improbability of the structure of the physical universe so that life is possible. I liken it to a divine musical composition with God as the conductor, and various objects playing parts in harmony. 2) The monads have no windows, so they are all blind. The perceptions are images are provided by God, or the Supreme monad, the only one able to see all and know all. Each monad is provided with a continually updated view of the perceptions\ all all of the mother monad perceptions, so it k nows everything in the universe from its own point of view. 3) I have been criticized for calling the monadic structure as tree-like, and I could be wrong. But as I understand them, the monads can be described by category theory if that's the right word, since each substance can be desribed by its predicates and presumably the predicates have predicates and so on. Since all of the monads necessarily are within the supreme monad, it would be the root of the tree. Of course a tree with an infinite number of branches and subbranches, etc. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/3/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-02, 10:32:01 Subject: Re: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer Dear Roger, I am most interested in a detailed discussion of the 1) preestablished harmony 2) reflections or images 3) Tree-like structure 4) whatever might be exterior to a monad. On 9/2/2012 2:19 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Toward emulating life with a monadic computer In a previous discussion we showed that the natural numbers qualify as Leibnizian monads, suggesting the possibility that other mathematical forms might similarly be treated as monadic structures. At the same time, Leibniz's monadology describes a computational architecture that is capable of emulating not only the dynamic physical universe, but a biological universe as well. In either case, the entire universe might be envisioned as a gigantic digital golem, a living figure whose body consists of a categorical nonliving substructure and whose mind/brain is the what Leibniz called the supreme monad. The supreme monad might be thought of as a monarch, since it governs the operation of its passive monadic substructures according to a preestablished harmony. In addition, each monad in the system would possess typical monadic substructures, and possibly further monadic substructures wuithin this, depending spending on the level of complexity desired. Without going into much detail at this point, Leibniz's monadology might be considered as the operating system of such a computer, with the central processing chip as its supreme monad. This CPU continually updates all of the monads in the system according the following scheme. Only the CPU is active, while all of the sub-structure monads (I think in a logical, tree-like structure) are passive. Each monad contains a dynamically changing image (a reflection) of all of the other monads, taken from its particular point of view. These are called its perceptions, which might be thought of as records of the state of any given monad at any given time. This state comprising an image of the entire universe of monads, constantly being updated by the Supreme monad or CPU. In addition to the perceptions, each monad also has a constantly changing set of appetites. And all of these are coorddinated to fit a pre-established harmony. It might be that the pre-established harmony is simply what is happening in the world outside the computer. Other details of this computer should be forthcoming. -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
