RE: Roy Frieden

1999-05-27 Thread Ken Fisher

Bruno said:

> I got Roy Frieden's book, on the use of Fisher Information to
> derive some physical laws.
> 
> Damned ! It is not easy. In particular Frieden is not clear on his
> philosophical and physical assumptions. It will take some time 
> before I can conclude if his approach is relevant for "our concern".
> My intuitive brain (or my little finger, if you prefer) tells me that
> there is something appealing there ...
> My analytical brain tells me to revise Statistics and Variation Calculus 
> ...

I agree, he's not at all clear about his assumptions - some of them 
seem to be highly contrived to produce the correct results!

> I have find some commentaries on that question in:
> 
> http://members.home.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/FisherInfo.txt

Stephen Paul King has some more links on the subject at
https://members-central.home.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/fisherinfo.html
and you might also like to join the time list (details of joining at 
http://www.kitada.com/) where there has been quite a lot of 
discussion about the book recently.

Ken

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RE: Roy Frieden

1999-05-27 Thread Marchal


I got Roy Frieden's book, on the use of Fisher Information to
derive some physical laws.

Damned ! It is not easy. In particular Frieden is not clear on his
philosophical and physical assumptions. It will take some time 
before I can conclude if his approach is relevant for "our concern".
My intuitive brain (or my little finger, if you prefer) tells me that
there is something appealing there ...
My analytical brain tells me to revise Statistics and Variation Calculus 
...

I have find some commentaries on that question in:

http://members.home.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/FisherInfo.txt

Affaire a suivre ...

Bruno.




Re: Roy Frieden

1999-03-23 Thread Marchal

>In a message dated 99-03-22 06:00:19 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>writes:
>
><< Has anyone read that piece in New Scientist recently about all physical
>laws
> being derived from the lagrangian representing the gap between our knowledge
> of the system and 'what nature knows'? It seems pertinent.
> http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990130/iisthelaw.html
>  >>
>
>I found the article fascinating and I agree with James, It is definitely
>pertinent to our discussion. The author seems to be moving toward a new
>science perhaps a thermodynamics of information?
>
>George


I agree with James and Georges. It is indeed pertinent for the discussion.
Frieden approach seems almost to "beautiful" to be true.
I order Roy Frieden's book "Physics from Fisher Information", 1999, 
Cambridge
University Press. I am impatient (and a little skeptical) to see how he 
"derives" Schroedinger equation and Wheeler-deWitt equation.


Bruno




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Re: Roy Frieden

1999-03-22 Thread GSLevy

In a message dated 99-03-22 06:00:19 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Has anyone read that piece in New Scientist recently about all physical
laws
 being derived from the lagrangian representing the gap between our knowledge
 of the system and 'what nature knows'? It seems pertinent.
 http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990130/iisthelaw.html
  >>

I found the article fascinating and I agree with James, It is definitely
pertinent to our discussion. The author seems to be moving toward a new
science perhaps a thermodynamics of information?

George