Re: a paper by Karl Svozil

2012-10-22 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Karl,

You have a good sense of humor. Perhaps
this might be virtual science fiction, or
perhaps a zombie novel or biography.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 
10/22/2012  
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-10-20, 23:15:12 
Subject: a paper by Karl Svozil 


Hi Folks, 

For your amusement, delight and (hopefully) comment, I present a paper: 

http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0305048 


Computational universes 
Karl Svozil 
(Submitted on 12 May 2003 (v1), last revised 14 Apr 2005 (this version, v2)) 
Suspicions that the world might be some sort of a machine or algorithm existing 
``in the mind'' of some symbolic number cruncher have lingered from antiquity. 
Although popular at times, the most radical forms of this idea never reached 
mainstream. Modern developments in physics and computer science have lent 
support to the thesis, but empirical evidence is needed before it can begin to 
replace our contemporary world view. 


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Re: a paper by Karl Svozil

2012-10-21 Thread Bruno Marchal

Hi Stephen,

Pleasing reading indeed. A bit old. You should easily find what is  
missing.


Answer: the mind-body problem. It is still a form of aristotelian  
physicalism, even if it has the correct natural numbers ontology.  
There is still an implicit use of the aristotelian identity thesis  
between a mind and a body.


Comp is finitist for the ontology, as there is only 0, s(0), s(s(0)),  
etc. (or K, S, KK, SK, ... ).


Then comp is infinitist, both for the subject, and for the math needed  
to solve the mind body problem in that setting, as we have to take  
into account non enumerable set of histories and random oracles, etc.


Now there might be relation between the Conway Moore automaton and the  
Z logics, but I have not yet find one, despite some formal  
relationship/duality between them (please don't jump on the duality  
here, as it is another one than the one by Pratt).


It is nice that Svozil cites people like Descartes, Rossler,  
Boscovitch and Finkelstein, and also Galouye, but he was somehow  
closer to comp when he referred also on Everett, like in his Singapore  
book.


I have often (try to) explained on this list that digital physics is  
self-contradictory, as it entails comp, but comp, if you keep the 1- 
indeterminacy in mind, entails ~digital physics, and ~digital  
theology, a priori.


The conscious person is still under the rug, I would say. It is still  
pre-first person indeterminacy, if you want, but it is also pre-the  
ASSA approaches, or the general everything approach.


Bruno


On 21 Oct 2012, at 05:15, Stephen P. King wrote:


Hi Folks,

For your amusement, delight and (hopefully) comment, I present a  
paper:


http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0305048

Computational universes

Karl Svozil
(Submitted on 12 May 2003 (v1), last revised 14 Apr 2005 (this  
version, v2))
Suspicions that the world might be some sort of a machine or  
algorithm existing ``in the mind'' of some symbolic number cruncher  
have lingered from  antiquity. Although popular at times, the  
most radical forms of this idea never reached mainstream. Modern  
developments in physics and computer science have lent support to  
the thesis, but empirical evidence is needed before it can begin to  
replace our contemporary world view.


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Stephen

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