Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-24 Thread 1Z
On 24 Sep, 06:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 23, 10:39 pm, Youness Ayaita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have always been two ways to interpret the interrelationship between the physical world and our minds. There's a lot more than two ways. The first one is to consider the

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-24 Thread Youness Ayaita
Thank you for your opinions and conceptual clarifications. I'll answer separately. Russell: On 24 Sep., 01:36, Russell Standish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Successor observer moments are meant to be similar to their prior OMs. By similar, I really mean differ by a single bit, but don't hold me

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-24 Thread Hal Finney
Youness Ayaita writes: It's a very trivial fact though that the two approaches are not equivalent. Nonetheless it's interesting to note it. I argue that we have good reasons to discard the second approach. The fundamental role will be assigned to the physical worlds (hence the title of this

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-24 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 09:52:12AM -0700, Youness Ayaita wrote: I really enjoyed reading your paper Why Occam's Razor? and I'd never pretend to understand your derivation of quantum mechanics better than you do. But maybe, I have another perspective on it (or even an addition). Explaining

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-24 Thread Russell Standish
Further ruminations on Born's rule: I will take the presentation in appendix D of Theory of Nothing, as it is slightly more up to date than in Why Occam's razor, and the relationship of measure to the magnitude of the quantum state is more explicit. The interesting thing to note about the

The physical world is real

2007-09-23 Thread Youness Ayaita
There have always been two ways to interpret the interrelationship between the physical world and our minds. The first one is to consider the physical world to be fundamental; from this perspective, the appearance of the mind is to be understood with the help of some neurological theory that maps

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 03:39:16AM -0700, Youness Ayaita wrote: ... Two approaches are physics is real (realism), and physics emerges (idealism) It's a very trivial fact though that the two approaches are not equivalent. Nonetheless it's interesting to note it. I argue that we have good

Re: The physical world is real

2007-09-23 Thread marc . geddes
On Sep 23, 10:39 pm, Youness Ayaita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There have always been two ways to interpret the interrelationship between the physical world and our minds. There's a lot more than two ways. The first one is to consider the physical world to be fundamental; from this