Re: Re: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy
Hi Craig Weinberg According to my belief in orthodox Lutheranism (in contrast to Billy Graham), we cannot decide for Christ, He decides for us. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/4/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 12:07:38 Subject: Re: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:14:41 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If you jump off of a building, gravity will kill you. Is that God's fault ? IMHO since God created nature, he also created the natural forces, which cause tsunamis. God is lawful, so He follows his own natural laws. Crap happens down here. We aren't yet in Heaven. Maybe it makes more sense to wait until (just before) we get to Heaven to start believing in God...since he is of no help to us down here in the crap...(his crap?) [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 17:31:16 Subject: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are probabilistic. Why not? If evil and catastrophes are probabilistic, what it the point of God? I thought your view was that this probabilistic indifference of nature was countered by the presence of a divine referee? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/0D4yauElsE0J. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/k6Ym00qKQoIJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy
On Thursday, January 3, 2013 6:14:41 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > If you jump off of a building, gravity will kill you. > Is that God's fault ? IMHO since God created > nature, he also created the natural forces, which > cause tsunamis. God is lawful, so He follows his > own natural laws. Crap happens down here. > We aren't yet in Heaven. > Maybe it makes more sense to wait until (just before) we get to Heaven to start believing in God...since he is of no help to us down here in the crap...(his crap?) > > [Roger Clough], [rcl...@verizon.net] > 1/3/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-02, 17:31:16 > *Subject:* Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: >> >> >> Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy >> >> This is because things can't be good >> everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are >> probabilistic. >> > > Why not? If evil and catastrophes are probabilistic, what it the point of > God? I thought your view was that this probabilistic indifference of nature > was countered by the presence of a divine referee? > > > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/0D4yauElsE0J. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-li...@googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/k6Ym00qKQoIJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy
Hi Craig Weinberg If you jump off of a building, gravity will kill you. Is that God's fault ? IMHO since God created nature, he also created the natural forces, which cause tsunamis. God is lawful, so He follows his own natural laws. Crap happens down here. We aren't yet in Heaven. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 17:31:16 Subject: Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are probabilistic. Why not? If evil and catastrophes are probabilistic, what it the point of God? I thought your view was that this probabilistic indifference of nature was countered by the presence of a divine referee? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/0D4yauElsE0J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Re: Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy
On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 8:13:20 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy > > This is because things can't be good > everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are > probabilistic. > Why not? If evil and catastrophes are probabilistic, what it the point of God? I thought your view was that this probabilistic indifference of nature was countered by the presence of a divine referee? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/0D4yauElsE0J. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy
Why bad things happen to good people--Leibniz's Theodicy As to tornadoes, there are various views, usually part of "Theodicies". Here's the view I prefer, that of my mentor, Leibniz, explained in his "Theodicy", which Voltaire took up in his unfair and totally misinformed criticism, the novel "Candide". According to Leibniz, there are two forms of being, that belonging to perfect, timeless, necessary reason, assigned to Heaven or Platonia, and that of contingent, time-dependent and therefore undependable reason and perfection (that down here, on earth). Scientific theory deals with the former, where time is reversible, and scientific experimentation, with the latter, done down here, in the world, where time is not reversible. Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created, is necessarily imperfect, so, as they say "crap happens". This is because things can't be good everywhere at the same time. Thus evil and catastrophes are probabilistic. Leibniz's theodicy ior justification for God is that God, being good, does the best that he can with the imperfect, partly evuil world he has to work with. That is why pray for God to deliver us from evil in the Lord's prayer. But we also say "thy will be done." [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/2/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
