Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
Philip, Brett, can you try the Guenthers suggestion on using account
only for sending (and having it enabled). That should work fine as well.
Huh. That works just fine to enable the accounts. I could swear that
it used to be, if the account was enabled, that it would show/clutter up
the folder list -- that appears to no longer be the case (or else I just
remember wrong, and am imagining that it ever was the case ;).
Yes, it works to *en*able the account, but this is by no means a way to
disable an account temporarily. Setting Account Type = None will lose
all previously entered data in this tab. Besides, it is way too much
hidden to make this useful to the average user.
Regarding showing in the folder list: No way. Even accounts with
Account Type = POP3 don't show up in the list. I don't know what you
remember.
Once it wasn't possible to set the receiving type to None. It looks like
it's possible now and this feature enables the possibility to enable
such a send-only E-mail account indeed.
Which version are you talking about? I do use this Account Type for
*years*.
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Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
Ok, I will try to remain calm -- not to shout, not to rant, not to do
anything I may regret later.
It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled
accounts.
I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose
between multiple of my E-mail addresses.
Why is this possibility blocked?
OK. There are several reasons. Firstly and the most obvious being that
when an account is disabled you should not be able to 'operate' on the
account. You can only *save* such mails as draft or send it using
another account.
And most importantly - the concept of being able to *send* mails using a
*disabled* account is pretty confusing. So now we just have a message
asking the user to chose another account to send e-mail.
This issue was discussed recently on e-p, just a month ago [1]. With
absolutely *no* conclusion. I don't see any approval for the patch
either.
To sum up the entire thread:
Can we please get a decision by the UI team
on #243241 first? Do we want this?
Why are patches sent to e-p, if the replies and discussion is going to
be ignored anyway?
...guenther
[1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-patches/2005-October/msg00136.html
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Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
So how do I solve my situation then? ;-)
I have multiple E-mail accounts that I use for sending. But only a few
real 'mailboxes' for receiving. Some of the E-mail accounts are aliases
to others.
Example: My gnome e-mail address isn't a real e-mail address with a
mailbox attached. It gets delivered to another E-mail address which I
also use. Yet, I'd like to send using my gnome e-mail address in the
From header.
May I suggest a This account is used for sending only option, then?
Edit / Preferences / Mail Accounts / account Edit
Receiving Email / ServerType: None
Edit / Preferences / Mail Accounts / account Enable
Yeah, a sending only account. Really. It's already available. Well, it
used to be. Obviously someone stepped ahead, and this is not possible in
CVS any more. It is possible using *any* other version.
...guenther
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Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled
accounts.
I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose
between multiple of my E-mail addresses.
Why is this possibility blocked?
hmm, seems like somebody fixed
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243241. there are about seven
duplicates in bugzilla (which have been mostly closed as notabug instead
of having marked them as duplicates).
so the point is if disabled means do not receive or if it also means
and do not send. :-/
Hmm...the patch actually does not try and fix that, probably just
partially. But guenther would say that there is more to that bug han
just 'not being able to send e-mails using disabled accounts'. :)
(btw, i would want guenther to take a call on that, if this kinda fixes
his problem. Guenther??) Adding guenther on the CC
OK, so now I'm being asked directly, since someone complains? Why did
you guys stop discussing this issue one month ago then? I already
brought up this topic, before the patch went in. *sigh*
In general, I would like to be able to get rid of the shitload of
testing accounts I have, make them not show up in the Composer. That's
why I originally filed that bug, I guess. On the other hand, there has
been quite some discussion and good, convincing arguments on that bug.
I'll try to have a look at this again, soon.
In the meantime, please... Read the bug and the arguments again. Read
the previous discussion on e-p again. Consider what has been mentioned
there. There are quite some objections.
Oh, and if you really want me to have a look at this topic, please
describe what that patch does, what the current CVS behavior is and what
you intended to solve. In detail...
...guenther
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Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
Hey Guenther, On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 23:38 +0100, guenther wrote: Ok, I will try to remain calm -- not to shout, not to rant, not to do anything I may regret later. It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. Why is this possibility blocked? OK. There are several reasons. Firstly and the most obvious being that when an account is disabled you should not be able to 'operate' on the account. You can only *save* such mails as draft or send it using another account. And most importantly - the concept of being able to *send* mails using a *disabled* account is pretty confusing. So now we just have a message asking the user to chose another account to send e-mail. This issue was discussed recently on e-p, just a month ago [1]. With absolutely *no* conclusion. I don't see any approval for the patch either. The patch which i sent did not solve #243241, i already mentioned this in a reply to andres mail. The reason i wanted you to comment is if the current behavior atleast 'partially' solves the issue. Btw, the bug for which the patch i had sent was this http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315987 And as for the current behavior on the CVS. its as follows: When a user tries to send an e-mail using a disabled account, a message which says You cant send this mail using a disabled account appears. And the only thing one could do, apart from saving the message as a draft, is to chose one of the enabled accounts and send the message. And yes, this behavior was with the prior approval of the UI team (FYI it was srini who approved the patch). To sum up the entire thread: Can we please get a decision by the UI team on #243241 first? Do we want this? And regarding the bug #243241, ofcourse your suggestions are taken. And we *are* really working on it. Philip, Brett, can you try the Guenthers suggestion on using account only for sending (and having it enabled). That should work fine as well. From Guenthers mail: Edit / Preferences / Mail Accounts / account Edit Receiving Email / ServerType: None Edit / Preferences / Mail Accounts / account Enable Yeah, a sending only account. Really. It's already available. Guenther, this still can be done. I have it built from the current CVS snapshot - and i can do it still. So i really dont understand what you are complaining about. Why are patches sent to e-p, if the replies and discussion is going to be ignored anyway? The patches like always are *sent* to the patches list and are also put up on the bugzilla. A rant does not help anyone. It just creates a lot of *Mess*. Cheers, partha ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
Hey Philip, On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 00:38 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. Why is this possibility blocked? OK. There are several reasons. Firstly and the most obvious being that when an account is disabled you should not be able to 'operate' on the account. You can only *save* such mails as draft or send it using another account. And most importantly - the concept of being able to *send* mails using a *disabled* account is pretty confusing. So now we just have a message asking the user to chose another account to send e-mail. Cheers, partha ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 13:49 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote: Hey Philip, On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 00:38 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. Why is this possibility blocked? OK. There are several reasons. Firstly and the most obvious being that when an account is disabled you should not be able to 'operate' on the account. You can only *save* such mails as draft or send it using another account. And most importantly - the concept of being able to *send* mails using a *disabled* account is pretty confusing. So now we just have a message asking the user to chose another account to send e-mail. So how do I solve my situation then? ;-) I have multiple E-mail accounts that I use for sending. But only a few real 'mailboxes' for receiving. Some of the E-mail accounts are aliases to others. Example: My gnome e-mail address isn't a real e-mail address with a mailbox attached. It gets delivered to another E-mail address which I also use. Yet, I'd like to send using my gnome e-mail address in the From header. -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer at x-tend home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org work: vanhoof at x-tend dot be http://www.pvanhoof.be - http://www.x-tend.be ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
Hey Andre, On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 02:20 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: hi philip, Am Mittwoch, den 30.11.2005, 00:38 +0100 schrieb Philip Van Hoof: It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. Why is this possibility blocked? hmm, seems like somebody fixed http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243241. there are about seven duplicates in bugzilla (which have been mostly closed as notabug instead of having marked them as duplicates). so the point is if disabled means do not receive or if it also means and do not send. :-/ Hmm...the patch actually does not try and fix that, probably just partially. But guenther would say that there is more to that bug han just 'not being able to send e-mails using disabled accounts'. :) (btw, i would want guenther to take a call on that, if this kinda fixes his problem. Guenther??) Adding guenther on the CC Cheers, partha ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:54 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:42 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: So how do I solve my situation then? ;-) I have multiple E-mail accounts that I use for sending. But only a few real 'mailboxes' for receiving. Some of the E-mail accounts are aliases to others. Example: My gnome e-mail address isn't a real e-mail address with a mailbox attached. It gets delivered to another E-mail address which I also use. Yet, I'd like to send using my gnome e-mail address in the From header. May I suggest a This account is used for sending only option, then? Hm... Interesting proposition i should say :). Huh! I actually never thought of this problem. So am actually little stumped i should admit. :) Would get back to you on this in a little while. Cheers, partha ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 14:34 +0530, Parthasarathi Susarla wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:54 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 09:42 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: [...] Example: My gnome e-mail address isn't a real e-mail address with a mailbox attached. It gets delivered to another E-mail address which I also use. Yet, I'd like to send using my gnome e-mail address in the From header. May I suggest a This account is used for sending only option, then? Hm... Interesting proposition i should say :). I also use the enabled checkbox to mean This is an empty account, which only consists of an email address which I use to send email from. It's very useful in many ways -- you can select the address from the dropdown menu in the compose window, to have different personalities with a single email account. Evolution automatically filters that address out in a reply-to-all, and as a bonus, selects the appropriate reply-to: and from: headers as well as the .sig for the particular personality the email was sent to. Please do not kill this extremely useful functionality.. FWIW, t-bird added the ability to have multiple personalities in a single email account (i.e. different .signatures, reply-to: and from: headers, etc...) to solve this exact problem, as t-bird didn't have any way to specify a disabled account, like evo does. -- Brett Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
hi philip, Am Mittwoch, den 30.11.2005, 00:38 +0100 schrieb Philip Van Hoof: It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. Why is this possibility blocked? hmm, seems like somebody fixed http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243241. there are about seven duplicates in bugzilla (which have been mostly closed as notabug instead of having marked them as duplicates). so the point is if disabled means do not receive or if it also means and do not send. :-/ cheers, andre -- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | failed! http://www.iomc.de signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
Re: [Evolution-hackers] Sending mails using disabled accounts
On Wed, 2005-11-30 at 00:38 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: It looks like current CVS does not allow sending E-mails uing disabled accounts. I very often disable E-mail accounts to make it possible to choose between multiple of my E-mail addresses. you mean - not having them shown up in the mail folders tree ? How does disabling help you in choosing more easily ? Why is this possibility blocked? It boils down to what one defines 'disabling' an account as. I guess you mean it as 'I do not want to see the mails in the account till I enable it again but it is available right _there_ for all other purposes - Sending mails, Draft/Sent Item settings..etc..' - (more in the narrower sense of 'visibility'). A lot of new users suggested they interpret 'disabling' as 'I do not want anything to do with that account till I enable it again'. What has been done now is to align the behavior to what it suggests (at least to the many). Partha/Shreyas, would you like to shed more light here ? Harish ___ Evolution-hackers mailing list Evolution-hackers@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers
