Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 12:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:02 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it. > > > >

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:32:11 +0200, Gottfried wrote: >Could it be a problem though, that evolution, thunderbird and >clawsmail in one system don't like each other? or may just two of them. Hi, let's ignore the dependency tree and optional dependencies and just take a look at the direct hard

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
Hi all, let me make my problem more precise. Evolution works fine. It is in my setting that something went wrong and all of a sudden it does not open any more. I installed evolution on a different PC. restored an older back-up and one or two times it loaded fine and then again, it did not

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:02 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it. > > > > > > Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows. >

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 11:27 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the > > output > > of all running GUI apps. > > No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X. > And I'd doubt

Re: [Evolution] Inbox Glitch

2017-12-29 Thread David Burleigh
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 11:28 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: > On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 15:23 -0500, David Burleigh wrote: > > Just today, for no obvious reason, Evolution stopped showing the > > unread incoming messages. It shows the number of unread messages, > > but > > they are not included in the

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 15:32 +0200, Gottfried wrote: > I am not interested in configuring evolution with a different email. No-one has asked you to do that. My recommendation was to create a new *Linux user* (i.e. a new login on your local machine), then log into that user account and run

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Pete Biggs
> > > And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD. > > Nobody did, right? So why do you shout? Because when ever anyone on any Linux related mailing list mentions systemd it invariable descends into rants about it. I was attempting to pre-empt that. Sorry if I offended you with my

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 17:15 +0200, Gottfried wrote: > > Open a terminal and launch evolution from there. > > > >evolution > > > > For posting purpose (at https://pastebin.com/ or similar) you could > > redirect all output to a log file. > > > >evolution > /tmp/evolution.0.log 2>&1 > >

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Pete Biggs
This is getting a bit off topic > > > > No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X. > > And I'd doubt anyway that this would be any helpful. > > There even necessarily is ~/.xsession-errors when running X, as long as > the user doesn't redirect the output or the user chose a

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:47:25 +, Pete Biggs wrote: >This is getting a bit off topic Not my fault, actually I replied to "On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 21:38:46 +0200, Gottfried wrote: You need to run Evolution from the command line and see if any errors are produced there.

Re: [Evolution] Inbox Glitch

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 15:23 -0500, David Burleigh wrote: > Just today, for no obvious reason, Evolution stopped showing the > unread incoming messages. It shows the number of unread messages, but > they are not included in the message list. If I right click on the > Inbox folder and choose "Mark

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:46 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > FWIW usually there is a file ~/.xsession-errors that contains the > output > of all running GUI apps. No there is not, in times of Wayland instead of X. And I'd doubt anyway that this would be any helpful. andre -- Andre Klapper |

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Hi Gottfried, On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 15:32 +0200, Gottfried wrote: > Could it be a problem though, that evolution, thunderbird and clawsmail > in one system don't like each other? or may just two of them. Extremely unlikely, and wild guessing won't help debugging anything. > The worst side of

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread jeff...@g123.de
OK, got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs time with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked.Setup of evolution on that user takes a bit more time, but it is going. In fedora there is a debugger, I'll try that and see what it comes up with.Thank you all for your

Re: [Evolution] Printer issues

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:10 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > File->Print Preview does exactly the same thing as File->Print. > There doesn't seem to be any way to get a preview except to print to > file and then view it. See the bug tracker for bugs and their reports.

Re: [Evolution] menu bar

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 18:12 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2017-12-28 at 19:03 +0100, thedude...@gmail.com wrote: > > I deactivated the menu bar in evolution and I can no longer activate > > it. How can I do? > >

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
Hi All, in Fedora there is a program called Nemiver. I used the function "attach to running program" while Evolution is still running or hanging. I got the following. Does that show anything? To me Chinese would be just as clear. :-) THe program shows the header: (path='/usr/bin/evolution',

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
In your case use the already mentioned gdb. In some other cases strace could be very helpful. This are at least the only two programs I ever needed to use for bug reports. I heard that valgrind is used a lot, too, but a developer never asked me to run it. Here's a not that good overview, however,

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 20:23 +0200, jeff...@g123.de wrote: > OK, got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs time > with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked. > Setup of evolution on that user takes a bit more time, but it is going. In > fedora there is a debugger,

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote: > Nemiver The output of Nemiver you posted seemingly is Assembler code, so perhaps what you used was a disassembler feature. However, I don't know Nemiver, nor do I program anymore. But actually I programmed Assembler in the 80s. I seriously

[Evolution] Printer issues

2017-12-29 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
1. File->Print Preview does exactly the same thing as File->Print.  There doesn't seem to be any way to get a preview except to print to file and then view it. 2. (More Important) Everything prints larger than I would like: fonts too big, images too big.  An example is attached.  Very

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote: > in Fedora there is a program called Nemiver. I used the function "attach > to running program" while Evolution is still running or hanging. You were asked explicitly to use the gdb debugger with instructions on what commands to give in order

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Pete Biggs
> > let me make my problem more precise. Evolution works fine. It is in my > setting that something went wrong and all of a sudden it does not open > any more. > You never said if you use IMAP or POP? But in the back of my mind I seem to remember that there was some ISPs that had some

Re: [Evolution] Printer issues

2017-12-29 Thread Pete Biggs
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:10 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > File->Print Preview does exactly the same thing as File->Print. > There doesn't seem to be any way to get a preview except to print to > file and then view it. > (More Important) Everything prints larger than I would like: fonts > too

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:57:52 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 23:31 +0200, Gottfried wrote: >> Nemiver > >The output of Nemiver you posted seemingly is Assembler code, so >perhaps what you used was a disassembler feature. However, I don't >know Nemiver, nor do I program anymore.

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 22:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 20:23 +0200, jeff...@g123.de wrote: > > OK, got some idea now how to get a debug report. Work on it. Just needs > > time with my not so fast pc. Setup of test user worked. > > Setup of evolution on that user

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 12:19 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > > And THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO RANT ABOUT SYSTEMD. > > > > Nobody did, right? So why do you shout?  > > Because when ever anyone on any Linux related mailing list mentions > systemd it invariable descends into rants about it. I was

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 22:27:07 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >You were asked explicitly to use the gdb debugger with instructions on >what commands to give in order to generate a stack trace, which might >give a clue to what's going on. In a nutshell: On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:54:03 +0100, Andre

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
Yes sorry, I wrote from my cellphone one of the emails, won't do that again. On 30/12/17 00:22, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Please do NOT post on the list from multiple email accounts. This makes it impossible to keep track of conversations. I fact I've just noticed you used the same

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Andre Klapper
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 17:34 -0600, Zan Lynx wrote: > I believe they missed the step that after Evolution hangs you have to > type Ctrl-C in the GDB terminal to interrupt the debugger and get > back > to the GDB prompt. THEN you can type "thread apply all bt full" > > At least I think that is what

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
It sounds like Evolution "hangs" (does not respond to anything in the user interface anymore) but does not "crash" (the application window vanishes unexpectedly). Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal window. Then enter the command "gdb evolution". At the next prompt,

Re: [Evolution] Printer issues

2017-12-29 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 18:37 +, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 10:10 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > > > (More Important) Everything prints larger than I would like: fonts > > too big, images too big. An example is attached. Very often the > > print output takes several pages

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Zan Lynx
On 12/29/2017 05:18 PM, Gottfried wrote: > > >> It sounds like Evolution "hangs" (does not respond to anything in >> the user interface anymore) but does not "crash" (the application >> window vanishes unexpectedly). >> >> Please make sure that "gdb" is installed. Then open a Terminal >>

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
Somehow it counts down from 45 to 1 and then last one mentions some loop: Thread 1 (Thread 0x77f8af80 (LWP 12519)): #0 0x739e7330 in gtk_css_static_style_get_default () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0 #1 0x739d3592 in gtk_css_node_init () at /lib64/libgtk-3.so.0 #2

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Gottfried
here is what I get now: Thread 45 (Thread 0x7fff289d4700 (LWP 12627)): #0  0x7fffeb4d3b29 in syscall () at /lib64/libc.so.6 #1  0x75e9166a in g_cond_wait_until () at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0 #2  0x75e20381 in g_async_queue_pop_intern_unlocked ()     at /lib64/libglib-2.0.so.0

Re: [Evolution] open

2017-12-29 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2017-12-29 at 06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 17:53:03 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Uninstalled it, reinstalled it. > > > > Virtually always a waste of time. Linux isn't Windows. > > Not necessarily. For example take Ubuntu's apt. > > "Removing a