Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-24 Thread Ángel
On 2022-10-23 at 16:53 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > What I can't understand is that all the Fedora lists, some of which > > I > > am on, continue to be run via Mailman, and presumably by staff that > > work for RedHat. This doesn't look to me like a RedHat decision. > > I've posted a

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-24 Thread solarflow99 via evolution-list
Thanks to everyone who has been trying to do something about this. Its sad the more ML's move to web forums, i've been on a few like that and its never been the same, they lose a lot of good people. On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 8:28 AM Ralf Mardorf via mc wrote: > Hi, > > it's worth to forward

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-24 Thread Steve Litt
William Oliver said on Sun, 23 Oct 2022 09:20:11 -0400 >I don't have much of a dog in this fight. I subscribed to this list >because I had a specific question (which folk helped me with quickly, >and thanks to all) -- and then just never bothered to unsubscribe. Then why the lecture on

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Jim Popovitch via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:12 -0400, dfc wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:19 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > > > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > > > unavailable? > > > >

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread dfc via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:19 -0400, Jim Popovitch via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > > unavailable? > > ... > I've offered to host, for Gnome, for free,

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:40 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that > > > are > > > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort.  The "powers > > > that > > > be" are

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Luna Jernberg via evolution-list
Some Fedora lists has been moved to the Fedora Discourse however, and some lists are still there, i think Matt knows more On 10/23/22, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: >> > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are >> >

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 15:35 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are > > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort.  The "powers > > that > > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even > > if > > the people at

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
Hi, it's worth to forward this [1] to other GNOME mailing lists. Regards, Ralf [1] Forwarded Message To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2022 11:19:21 -0400 On Sun,

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Jim Popovitch via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > unavailable? Just to reiterate and clarify, there is no "Mailman is unavailable" situation. Mailman has versions that support Python2 and Python3, and Python2

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 11:01 -0400, dfc wrote: > What other existing mailing list software can be used if Mailman is > unavailable? Is Lyris suitable? What features (technically speaking) > must the platform possess? Hi, I can't answer those questions. However, Linux server can run Mailman 3

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread dfc via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:09 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 09:20 -0400, William Oliver wrote: > > ... > FreeBSD has a way better reason to discontinue Mailman, since it's > more > or less impossible to port Mailman 3 to a FreeBSD servers, hence they >

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Pete Biggs
> > I have worked with a number of professional organizations that are > maintained primarily by volunteer staff and effort. The "powers that > be" are usually people who are doing a lot of work for free -- even if > the people at the very top are being paid a little. Sometimes that's > because

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > >   ^^^ > >   Pass the bong :D > > > > What is

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 09:20 -0400, William Oliver wrote: > I strongly suspect that the reason this change is being made is not for > some nefarious "control" reason or some bad goal.  I suspect that its > about making it easier for whoever is volunteering to keep this stuff > going. Hi, if so,

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread William Oliver
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people who make > decisions for what they perceive to be the best interests of other > people. > >

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:13 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list > wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > > ^^^ > > Pass the bong :D > > > > What is

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Pete Biggs
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 13:45 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. > ^^^ > Pass the bong :D > > What is PTB for? The "Powers That Be". Usually reserved for faceless people

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 12:31 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > The PTB would all say that this is not abrupt. ^^^ Pass the bong :D What is PTB for? ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe,

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Pete Biggs
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? > The full list is at https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo with archives here

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? Hi, all GNOME mailing lists are affected, https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo . I don't know if

Re: [Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread dfc via evolution-list
On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 06:50 -0400, dfc via evolution-list wrote: > What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently > scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? > > This will be helpful to know if one is trying to convince a major > organization to step up and

[Evolution] Discourse and the situation for Mailman lists hosted by Gnome.org

2022-10-23 Thread dfc via evolution-list
What other Gnome lists (analogous to evolution-list) are currently scrambling with the abrupt decision to switch to discourse? This will be helpful to know if one is trying to convince a major organization to step up and host evolution and possibly brethren too. Thanks, David