Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Fri, 2018-07-13 at 06:50 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 23:56 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 23:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 22:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Pack/Unpack? Wrap/Unwrap? Freeze/Thaw? ... > > > > > > Save Evolution Data... > > > Load Evolution Data... > > > > Could be. At least it's explicit. > > The advantage of "save" and "load" is, that they are generally used > terms for this purpose and translations into different languages aren't > tricky. Jane and John Sample are used to it in any language. Good point. I'll file a BZ. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 23:56 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 23:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 22:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Pack/Unpack? Wrap/Unwrap? Freeze/Thaw? ... > > > > Save Evolution Data... > > Load Evolution Data... > > Could be. At least it's explicit. The advantage of "save" and "load" is, that they are generally used terms for this purpose and translations into different languages aren't tricky. Jane and John Sample are used to it in any language. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 23:51 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 22:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Pack/Unpack? Wrap/Unwrap? Freeze/Thaw? ... > > Save Evolution Data... > Load Evolution Data... Could be. At least it's explicit. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 22:12 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Pack/Unpack? Wrap/Unwrap? Freeze/Thaw? ... Save Evolution Data... Load Evolution Data... ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 20:46 +0200, Andrea Vai wrote: > Hi, > 2018-07-12 19:09 GMT+02:00, Pete Biggs : > > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > > It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. > > > > It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to > > > > think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. > > > > > > > > > > It's difficult. To me Export/Import implies standard formats - which > > > the Evolution backup isn't. > > > > > > > Actually, what I mean is the Export/Import implies the ability to > > transfer things to a different application - the Evolution backup is > > only useful to Evolution. > > I remember a discussion on this list, not long time ago, about a > better name to use for the evolution "Backup" feature, and perhaps > someone may have filed a bug which aimed to choose a convenient name > for it. At the moment I cannot get some precise reference (and my > memory may be wrong). Probably me, but I never filed a BZ because I couldn't think of a good alternative name. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:09 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > > It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. > > > It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to > > > think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. > > > > > > > It's difficult. To me Export/Import implies standard formats - which > > the Evolution backup isn't. > > > > Actually, what I mean is the Export/Import implies the ability to > transfer things to a different application - the Evolution backup is > only useful to Evolution. True. Oh well, the search continues ... Pack/Unpack? Wrap/Unwrap? Freeze/Thaw? ... poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
Hi, 2018-07-12 19:09 GMT+02:00, Pete Biggs : > On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: >> > It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. >> > It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to >> > think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. >> > >> >> It's difficult. To me Export/Import implies standard formats - which >> the Evolution backup isn't. >> > Actually, what I mean is the Export/Import implies the ability to > transfer things to a different application - the Evolution backup is > only useful to Evolution. I remember a discussion on this list, not long time ago, about a better name to use for the evolution "Backup" feature, and perhaps someone may have filed a bug which aimed to choose a convenient name for it. At the moment I cannot get some precise reference (and my memory may be wrong). Bye, Andrea ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Thu, 2018-07-12 at 18:07 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. > > It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to > > think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. > > > > It's difficult. To me Export/Import implies standard formats - which > the Evolution backup isn't. > Actually, what I mean is the Export/Import implies the ability to transfer things to a different application - the Evolution backup is only useful to Evolution. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
> It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. > It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to > think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. > It's difficult. To me Export/Import implies standard formats - which the Evolution backup isn't. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 23:04 +0100, Pete Biggs wrote: > > Evolution > > should drop the silly "backup / restore". > > It may be "silly" to you, but there are people who use it in a none > "silly" way. It would be less prone to misinterpretation if it had a different name. It's really not intended as a backup mechanism, as some people seem to think. Perhaps Export/Import would better convey the idea. poc ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
> > I have yet to meet any long time Linux user who goes into their email > client to "make a backup." And oddly Gnome-based backup software does > not suggest doing this either; it just backs up files. You'd think if it > was important someone would have integrated it as a backup feature. The backup was originally designed to allow you to move Evolution data from one machine to another. It is a convenient way of combining together all the information and files in one place. (It's not just a straight tar ball of files - it includes a dump of the configuration of Evolution in a format that can be reconstructed.) FYI The backup/restore feature was introduced in 2.12 (in 2008) because there were various homebrew scripts around that did similar things and users were asking for an official way of doing it. > > If a home directory tarball isn't enough It is sufficient. > Evolution > should drop the silly "backup / restore". It may be "silly" to you, but there are people who use it in a none "silly" way. > > Perhaps replace it with an Import feature which could be pointed at a > directory to retrieve user accounts and stored/cached email from any > previous version of Evolution. Now that would be useful. You can't point at a single directory and retrieve everything. Things are held in multiple locations. If, when you start Evolution it sees old account information it *will* use that account information in the newer evolution version, updating schemas and file locations as it does so. It can do it over multiple versions, including major versions, even converting mail store into Maildir (from MBOX) and so on. The only time I've seen Evolution offer to restore a backup is when there is no old Evolution data in the users home directory. > > Often by the time I need to set up my email the previous system hardware > is unrecoverable. There's never going to be an Evolution "backup." The backup/restore was never really meant as a DR tool. Yes, you may quibble about the name, but that is the most succinct way of describing what the tool does. P. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
John, please fix your email application to display quotes as quoted so it is possible for others to find out what you yourself wrote. See https://mail.gnome.org/archives/evolution-list/2018-July/msg00071.html Thanks. andre -- Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net https://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 15:29 -0400, Dr. John H. Lauterbach wrote: > Evolution 3.28.1-2 running under Ubuntu 18.04 wants you to import a > backup file for the first run on a new installation. Not a problem > for those of us who have been running evolution for years. > > Not sure how one would do if I were installing evolution and had > never used it before. Hi, evolution offers it, but doesn't force it. You can simply _leave_ that "Restore from a backup file:" checkbox unchecked, then the Next button will move you to the Identity tab and you can, but do not need to, create a new mail account. There's also that "Do not show this wizard again" check at the bottom of the first page of that wizard, which can be helpful if you want to run evolution without a mail account. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
-Original Message- From: Milan Crha via evolution-list Reply-To: Milan Crha To: evolution-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 21:09:16 +0200 On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution-list wrote: Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start byasking me to import a backup. ... Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal filechooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: Thename org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .servicefiles Hi,it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but aFlatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for moreinformation on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run thenative version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; Isuppose it was your intention anyway. By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the Evolutionversion and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same"handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thusthe version which had been in distribution X a week ago not necessarily is also today, or a week later. Bye,Milan ___evolution-list mailing listevolution-list@gnome.orgTo change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ...https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Evolution 3.28.1-2 running under Ubuntu 18.04 wants you to import a backup file for the first run on a new installation. Not a problem for those of us who have been running evolution for years. Not sure how one would do if I were installing evolution and had never used it before. john ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 14:45 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- list wrote: > So guessing that, something didn't get erased. Hi, did you follow these steps, maybe modified to your local changes, if any been made? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Evolution/Flatpak#Clean_up_Flatpak_data Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 12:25 -0700, Douglas Summers wrote: > it ran well, but I like how > the "native" package integrates with the desktop. Hi, yes, I fully understand that and agree with you, but in case of evolution, and its dependency on evolution-data-server, there is no win-win state, I'm sorry. Either you run up-to-date evolution against possibly long ago obsolete evolution-data-server D-Bus services and you have the fancy integration with the desktop and have access to local disk and such, or you run really up to date evolution and up to date evolution-data-server, thus you really get all the latest fixes [1], but you run in a sandbox, with no integration with the desktop, no notifications, no local file system,... It's a pita that Flatpak itself doesn't have something in between of "talks-to" and "owns" for D-Bus interfaces, in which case one would be able to override some D-Bus services, but keep using other system's D-Bus services. That would be a killer feature of Flatpak, from my point of view, but as long as this is relevant only for a minority of the Flatpak applications, and most of them even "do not care" (no offense meant, they target something else), then it makes sense Flatpak developers also use their time on other issues and features. To be honest, I do not know whether it's possible at all, the obstacle can be somewhere else than in Flatpak, maybe it's in D-Bus itself, I really do not know. Bye, Milan [1] One example for all: like with the timezone thing in EWS, the change for I#7 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/evolution-ews/issues/7 had been done for the evolution-data-server side, namely for a backend which runs in evolution-calendar-factory(-subprocess). Having a Flatpak version of evolution which integrates with the desktop, then even if you build that Flatpak version against the latest evolution-ews, then it'll still talk to the old and unpatched evolution-calendar-factory in your system, thus you'd not have the issue fixed. This is sometimes hard to realize. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
I was on Evolution 3.18.2 .. tried the flatpak which didn't work same symptom ... did the Mint upgrade and the 3.28.1-2 version of evolution pops up, but I can't load backups into evolution. So guessing that, something didn't get erased. Mike On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Douglas Summers wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- > > list wrote: > > > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > > > asking me to import a backup. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > > > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > > > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any > > > .service > > > files > > > > Hi, > > it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but > > a > > Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more > > information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the > > native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I > > suppose it was your intention anyway. > > > > By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the > > Evolution > > version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same > > "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus > > the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not > > necessarily > > is also today, or a week later. > > Bye, > > Milan > > > > ___ > > evolution-list mailing list > > evolution-list@gnome.org > > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > > I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate > the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how > the "native" package integrates with the desktop. > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
If it helps when I installed lm19 it picked up the flatpack version I had installed. Install Evolution with synaptic and it should pick up the correct version Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone Douglas Summers wrote >On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: >> On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- >> list wrote: >> > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by >> > asking me to import a backup. >> > >> > ... >> > >> > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file >> > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The >> > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any >> > .service >> > files >> >> Hi, >> it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but >> a >> Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more >> information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the >> native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I >> suppose it was your intention anyway. >> >> By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the >> Evolution >> version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same >> "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus >> the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not >> necessarily >> is also today, or a week later. >> Bye, >> Milan >> >> ___ >> evolution-list mailing list >> evolution-list@gnome.org >> To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list > >I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate >the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how >the "native" package integrates with the desktop. >___ >evolution-list mailing list >evolution-list@gnome.org >To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 21:09 +0200, Milan Crha via evolution-list wrote: > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- > list wrote: > > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > > asking me to import a backup. > > > > ... > > > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any > > .service > > files > > Hi, > it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but > a > Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more > information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the > native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I > suppose it was your intention anyway. > > By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the > Evolution > version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same > "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus > the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not > necessarily > is also today, or a week later. > Bye, > Milan > > ___ > evolution-list mailing list > evolution-list@gnome.org > To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list I also upgraded to Mint 19 (which runs Evolution 3.28.1-2) to eliminate the need for running the Flatpak version; it ran well, but I like how the "native" package integrates with the desktop. ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
Re: [Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 10:29 -0500, Anonymous Japhering via evolution- list wrote: > Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by > asking me to import a backup. > > ... > > Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file > chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The > name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service > files Hi, it looks like you are not running a native version of Evolution, but a Flatpak version. Search this list for the same error message for more information on the error itself. In your case, make sure you run the native version, that's the "only" way to get to the backup file; I suppose it was your intention anyway. By the way, Linux Mint 19 doesn't tell me anything about the Evolution version and I'm pretty sure there are more people with the same "handicap" here. Not talking that distributions provide updates, thus the version which had been in distribution X a week ago not necessarily is also today, or a week later. Bye, Milan ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
[Evolution] Starting Evolution from backup
Just upgraded to LinuxMint 19 and Evolution is trying to start by asking me to import a backup. Not a big deal until I get to the dialog where I have to search for and select the backup file. Where this shows up in the syslog. Jul 11 10:08:51 Ase evolution.bin[15017]: Can't open portal file chooser: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.portal.Desktop was not provided by any .service files So I can't select from that dialog. Trying the Restore option from the menu also fails as it doesn't see backup file in any of the directories that i can reach. Given that evolution-backup-.tar.gz, it would seem that I should be able to restore by hand, but there seems to be a few post steps that need to be done. Anyone have a pointer to those steps ? Mike ___ evolution-list mailing list evolution-list@gnome.org To change your list options or unsubscribe, visit ... https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list