RE: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

2003-08-01 Thread Roger Seielstad
Think about how SMTP works, and you'll get the answer.

In other words, yes. Your primary rejects the message (or the connection in
some cases), so the sending MTA correctly identifies that as a failure, and
tries the next highest MX - in your case, your gateway.

I've got 4 external MX's with ascending preferences, and I start with the
highest preference one to see what spammers are up to..

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Orin Rehorst [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:34 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?
 
 
 I use eDoxs (3rd party company that identifies spam. They use 
 Brightmail). 
 
 Getting a lot of spam, however. 
 
 My first MX record is to dDoxs. My second is to my email 
 gateway, in case eDoxs is down. I'm wondering if spammers can 
 pick up on my second MX record and send directly to it.
 
 Please advise.
 
 TIA
 
 Regards, 
 Orin
 
 
 
 
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RE: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

2003-08-01 Thread Roger Seielstad
I don't know - we run the exact same configs on all our external relays, so
if one rejects it, all 4 will.

Then again, when you're using 100% open source software on 100% recycled
desktop machines as mail relays, cost isn't much of a factor.

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Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: PF: Exchange [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:30 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?
 
 
  My first MX record is to dDoxs. My second is to my email 
  gateway, in case eDoxs is down. I'm wondering if spammers can 
  pick up on my second MX record and send directly to it.
 
 Actually, it's very common for spammers to start at your 
 lower priority
 MX records.  It makes sense for exactly the reason you specified.
 Companies rarely put the expensive anti-spam software on 
 their secondary
 MX relays.
 
 Ed recommended using a relay to HOLD the mail until the primary is
 available again.  This method works great provided that most of your
 filtering is not done by RBL/SPAM listings (because the source IP has
 changed.)
 
 -Kevin
 
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SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

2003-07-31 Thread Orin Rehorst
I use eDoxs (3rd party company that identifies spam. They use Brightmail). 

Getting a lot of spam, however. 

My first MX record is to dDoxs. My second is to my email gateway, in case eDoxs is 
down. I'm wondering if spammers can pick up on my second MX record and send directly 
to it.

Please advise.

TIA

Regards, 
Orin




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RE: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

2003-07-31 Thread Ed Crowley
Of course they can, and they will.  A better way to do that second MX record
is to direct it to a relay SMTP server that will simply hold the mail until
the primary SMTP server is up.  The Windows 2000 SMTP Service will do this
just fine.

Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T

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Subject: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

I use eDoxs (3rd party company that identifies spam. They use Brightmail). 

Getting a lot of spam, however. 

My first MX record is to dDoxs. My second is to my email gateway, in case
eDoxs is down. I'm wondering if spammers can pick up on my second MX record
and send directly to it.

Please advise.

TIA

Regards,
Orin




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RE: SPAMERS hitting my second MX record?

2003-07-31 Thread PF: Exchange
 My first MX record is to dDoxs. My second is to my email 
 gateway, in case eDoxs is down. I'm wondering if spammers can 
 pick up on my second MX record and send directly to it.

Actually, it's very common for spammers to start at your lower priority
MX records.  It makes sense for exactly the reason you specified.
Companies rarely put the expensive anti-spam software on their secondary
MX relays.

Ed recommended using a relay to HOLD the mail until the primary is
available again.  This method works great provided that most of your
filtering is not done by RBL/SPAM listings (because the source IP has
changed.)

-Kevin

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