RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Ed Crowley
Have you scheduled a block of time for it to run?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
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Subject: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


Are there any command line switches that I can use to run the online
defrag in Exchange 5.5?  My online defrag isn't running and if I can
just force it to run maybe from a command line prompt and not within
Exchange Admin, that would great.

Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP

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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Karon Miller
Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or if we
just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few minutes and then
stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see any errors in the
event log.  Is it actually running and doing anything?  I'm told that if
it were really doing anything it would run for an hour or more.  We've
been having problems with it running for a few months now.  We've called
Microsoft and they say we have a corrupted IS but we're not ready to
rebuild.  We're looking for a way to force an online defrag outside of
Exchange Admin from a command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that
first that's fine but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is
possible.  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil
because that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely
have to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the
database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?  If
so, data loss is expected in an offline.

Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin  

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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Karon Miller
Message I just posted was actually in response to Ed Crowley I forgot to
post his message.  Sorry


Have you scheduled a block of time for it to run?
 
 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
 Technical Consultant
 hp Services
 There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.
 
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 8:42 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
 Are there any command line switches that I can use to run the online
 defrag in Exchange 5.5?  My online defrag isn't running and if I can
 just force it to run maybe from a command line prompt and not within
 Exchange Admin, that would great.
 
 Thanks,
 Karon Miller
 Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP
 
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Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Tony Hlabse
Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for that.
Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors.
Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the event log
do you see any other errors during the day?


- Original Message - 
From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


 Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or if we
 just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few minutes and then
 stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see any errors in the
 event log.  Is it actually running and doing anything?  I'm told that if
 it were really doing anything it would run for an hour or more.  We've
 been having problems with it running for a few months now.  We've called
 Microsoft and they say we have a corrupted IS but we're not ready to
 rebuild.  We're looking for a way to force an online defrag outside of
 Exchange Admin from a command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that
 first that's fine but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is
 possible.  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil
 because that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely
 have to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the
 database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?  If
 so, data loss is expected in an offline.

 Thanks,
 Karon Miller
 Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin

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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Ed Crowley
Probably nothing needs to be done.  You don't see a completion event
that tells you the amount of white space?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Karon Miller
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or if we
just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few minutes and
then stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see any errors in
the event log.  Is it actually running and doing anything?  I'm told
that if it were really doing anything it would run for an hour or more.
We've been having problems with it running for a few months now.  We've
called Microsoft and they say we have a corrupted IS but we're not ready
to rebuild.  We're looking for a way to force an online defrag outside
of Exchange Admin from a command line prompt.  If we have to schedule
that first that's fine but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if
this is possible.  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage
eseutil/edbutil because that will require taking the services down
unless we absolutely have to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If
there is corruption in the database when you do an offline, will it
delete those corrupt files?  If so, data loss is expected in an offline.

Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin  

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Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Karon Miller
The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran successfully in
a few months now and we're getting TONS of open file errors at the top
of the Information Store during our backups.  We haven't gotten a good
backup in two weeks. Regardless of how we're backing up we're getting
errors.  We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online defrag in
awhile.  I have never used ISINTEG does it require shutting down the
services and doing it offline?

Thanks,
Karon Miller



 Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for
that.
 Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors.
 Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the event log
 do you see any other errors during the day?
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
 Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
  Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or if we
  just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few minutes and then
  stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see any errors in the
  event log.  Is it actually running and doing anything?  I'm told that if
  it were really doing anything it would run for an hour or more.  We've
  been having problems with it running for a few months now.  We've called
  Microsoft and they say we have a corrupted IS but we're not ready to
  rebuild.  We're looking for a way to force an online defrag outside of
  Exchange Admin from a command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that
  first that's fine but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is
  possible.  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil
  because that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely
  have to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the
  database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?  If
  so, data loss is expected in an offline.
 
  Thanks,
  Karon Miller
  Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
 
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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Chris Scharff
Brick level backup errors are between you and your god; you should be
sharing them with your priest, not a technical list. 

Do real, full backups run successfully? And if not, what /specifically/ is
the error message associated with their failure.

 -Original Message-
 From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 
 The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran 
 successfully in a few months now and we're getting TONS of 
 open file errors at the top of the Information Store during 
 our backups.  We haven't gotten a good backup in two weeks. 
 Regardless of how we're backing up we're getting errors.  
 We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online defrag 
 in awhile.  I have never used ISINTEG does it require 
 shutting down the services and doing it offline?
 
 Thanks,
 Karon Miller
 
 
 
  Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use 
 Isinteg for that.
  Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have 
 any errors.
  Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the 
  event log do you see any other errors during the day?
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
  Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
  
  
   Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online 
 defrag or 
   if we just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few 
   minutes and then stops and says it's terminating.  I 
 didn't even see 
   any errors in the event log.  Is it actually running and doing 
   anything?  I'm told that if it were really doing anything 
 it would 
   run for an hour or more.  We've been having problems with 
 it running 
   for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and they 
 say we have a 
   corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're looking for a 
   way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a 
   command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first 
 that's fine 
   but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is 
 possible.  
   Also we do not want to do an offline defrage 
 eseutil/edbutil because 
   that will require taking the services down unless we 
 absolutely have 
   to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is 
 corruption in the 
   database when you do an offline, will it delete those 
 corrupt files?  If so, data loss is expected in an offline.
  
   Thanks,
   Karon Miller
   Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
  
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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Mark Harford
If server downtime is impossible to arrange with your business, an
alternative to an offline defrag or a repair would be to move all
mailboxes to another server, shut down the IS, delete everything in
mdbdata and then restart the IS with a clean blank priv.edb to which you
can move the mailboxes back.  This has the advantage that users are only
affected whilst their mailbox data is actually being moved.  I realise
it sounds drastic but at least you are starting with a clean sheet and
the move process will help flush out the corrupted mailboxes.  You stand
a better chance of not losing data than you would with Isinteg or
eseutil.

Mark

n.b. you do lose deleted item retention when you move a mailbox

-Original Message-
From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 22 November 2002 15:37
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran successfully
in a few months now and we're getting TONS of open file errors at the
top of the Information Store during our backups.  We haven't gotten a
good backup in two weeks. Regardless of how we're backing up we're
getting errors.  We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online
defrag in awhile.  I have never used ISINTEG does it require shutting
down the services and doing it offline?

Thanks,
Karon Miller



 Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for
that.
 Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors. 
 Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the 
 event log do you see any other errors during the day?
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
 Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
  Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or 
  if we just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few 
  minutes and then stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see

  any errors in the event log.  Is it actually running and doing 
  anything?  I'm told that if it were really doing anything it would 
  run for an hour or more.  We've been having problems with it running

  for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and they say we have a

  corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're looking for a 
  way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a 
  command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first that's fine 
  but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is possible.  
  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil because

  that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely have

  to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the

  database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?

  If so, data loss is expected in an offline.
 
  Thanks,
  Karon Miller
  Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
 
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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Chenault
Ah... More info that would have been helpful upfront.

On a Saturday...
Install another Exchange box.
Move the mailboxes to it.
Toast the old priv.edb.
Move the mailboxes back.
Deinstall the temp Exchange box.



-Original Message-
From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:16 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or if we
just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few minutes and then
stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see any errors in the event
log.  Is it actually running and doing anything?  I'm told that if it were
really doing anything it would run for an hour or more.  We've been having
problems with it running for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and
they say we have a corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're
looking for a way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a
command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first that's fine but we
want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is possible.  Also we do not
want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil because that will require
taking the services down unless we absolutely have to.  Is an offline our
only recourse?  If there is corruption in the database when you do an
offline, will it delete those corrupt files?  If so, data loss is expected
in an offline.

Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin  

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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Chenault
Open file errors? What are you using to do backup?

-Original Message-
From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran successfully in a
few months now and we're getting TONS of open file errors at the top of
the Information Store during our backups.  We haven't gotten a good backup
in two weeks. Regardless of how we're backing up we're getting errors.
We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online defrag in awhile.  I
have never used ISINTEG does it require shutting down the services and doing
it offline?

Thanks,
Karon Miller



 Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for
that.
 Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors. 
 Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the 
 event log do you see any other errors during the day?
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
 Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
  Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or 
  if we just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few 
  minutes and then stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see 
  any errors in the event log.  Is it actually running and doing 
  anything?  I'm told that if it were really doing anything it would 
  run for an hour or more.  We've been having problems with it running 
  for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and they say we have a 
  corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're looking for a 
  way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a 
  command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first that's fine 
  but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is possible.  
  Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil because 
  that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely have 
  to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the 
  database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?  
  If so, data loss is expected in an offline.
 
  Thanks,
  Karon Miller
  Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
 
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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Karon Miller
Veritas Backup Exec 8.6. and NO we're not using the Open File Agent
because that doesn't work.  And yes, we're doing BLBs because my hands are
tied on changing this policy.  I don't think my problem now is related to
doing BLBs its that we can't get a good online defrag to run possibly due
to database corruption.  We may have to do some offline defrags but we're
hoping we can fix this online.  Thanks, Karon


 Open file errors? What are you using to do backup?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
 The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran successfully in a
 few months now and we're getting TONS of open file errors at the top of
 the Information Store during our backups.  We haven't gotten a good backup
 in two weeks. Regardless of how we're backing up we're getting errors.
 We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online defrag in awhile.  I
 have never used ISINTEG does it require shutting down the services and doing
 it offline?
 
 Thanks,
 Karon Miller
 
 
 
  Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for
 that.
  Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors.
  Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the 
  event log do you see any other errors during the day?
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
  Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
  
  
   Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or 
   if we just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few 
   minutes and then stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see
   any errors in the event log.  Is it actually running and doing 
   anything?  I'm told that if it were really doing anything it would 
   run for an hour or more.  We've been having problems with it running
   for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and they say we have a
   corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're looking for a 
   way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a 
   command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first that's fine
   but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is possible.  
   Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil because
   that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely have
   to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the
   database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?
   If so, data loss is expected in an offline.
  
   Thanks,
   Karon Miller
   Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
  
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Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Chenault
As I said in an earlier post, the quickest way out of this would likely be
to move the mailboxes to another server, delete the priv on this one and
move them back.
- Original Message -
From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


 Veritas Backup Exec 8.6. and NO we're not using the Open File Agent
 because that doesn't work.  And yes, we're doing BLBs because my hands are
 tied on changing this policy.  I don't think my problem now is related to
 doing BLBs its that we can't get a good online defrag to run possibly due
 to database corruption.  We may have to do some offline defrags but we're
 hoping we can fix this online.  Thanks, Karon


  Open file errors? What are you using to do backup?
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 9:37 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
 
 
  The reason we're trying to run it is because it hasn't ran successfully
in a
  few months now and we're getting TONS of open file errors at the top
of
  the Information Store during our backups.  We haven't gotten a good
backup
  in two weeks. Regardless of how we're backing up we're getting errors.
  We're thinking it's because it hasn't done an online defrag in awhile.
I
  have never used ISINTEG does it require shutting down the services and
doing
  it offline?
 
  Thanks,
  Karon Miller
 
 
 
   Online defrag will not fix any corruption. You have to use Isinteg for
  that.
   Make a backup and run it on test setup to see if you have any errors.
   Besides the online terminating very quickly with no errors in the
   event log do you see any other errors during the day?
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Karon Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:16 AM
   Subject: RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?
  
  
Well, it doesn't seem to matter if we schedule an online defrag or
if we just run one right then on the fly it only runs for a few
minutes and then stops and says it's terminating.  I didn't even see
any errors in the event log.  Is it actually running and doing
anything?  I'm told that if it were really doing anything it would
run for an hour or more.  We've been having problems with it running
for a few months now.  We've called Microsoft and they say we have a
corrupted IS but we're not ready to rebuild.  We're looking for a
way to force an online defrag outside of Exchange Admin from a
command line prompt.  If we have to schedule that first that's fine
but we want to kick off ourselves.  Not sure if this is possible.
Also we do not want to do an offline defrage eseutil/edbutil because
that will require taking the services down unless we absolutely have
to.  Is an offline our only recourse?  If there is corruption in the
database when you do an offline, will it delete those corrupt files?
If so, data loss is expected in an offline.
   
Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin
   
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RE: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?

2002-11-20 Thread Daniel Chenault
No. Better would be to troubleshoot why it isn't running. What is showing in
event viewer?

-Original Message-
From: Karon Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:42 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Any command line switches to run Online defrag?


Are there any command line switches that I can use to run the online defrag
in Exchange 5.5?  My online defrag isn't running and if I can just force it
to run maybe from a command line prompt and not within Exchange Admin, that
would great.

Thanks,
Karon Miller
Blackwell Sanders Peper Martin, LLP

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