Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-05 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:34:17PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote: As many of you know AOL is contemplating a pay to send email plan. So I'm protesting it by doing a DEFER on my lowest MX record server. The other server will accept AOL email, but the DEFER puts a line in AOL log files every time AOL

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-05 Thread Marc Perkel
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: On Sat, Mar 04, 2006 at 02:34:17PM -0800, Marc Perkel wrote: As many of you know AOL is contemplating a pay to send email plan. So I'm protesting it by doing a DEFER on my lowest MX record server. The other server will accept AOL email, but the DEFER puts a line

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Stanislaw Halik
Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of you know AOL is contemplating a pay to send email plan. [...] .ifdef LOWEST_MX defermessage = WE PROTEST AOL PAY TO SEND EMAIL PLAN! hosts = *.aol.com .endif the pay is only for the mail received by AOL. and judging by the

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread W B Hacker
Marc Perkel wrote: As many of you know AOL is contemplating a pay to send email plan. *trim* Let's be a bit more precise. - all 'free' mail has a cost to send or receive, somewhere, born by somebody, usually as part of an ISP service fee, or staff, student, organization membership costs.

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Richard Clayton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], W B Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes AOL users may, or may not, see an increase in 'legitimized' spam. IF [ any | enough] organizations choose to pay the fee. Might AOL then also charge the *users* another fee to have

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Marc Perkel
I don't allways agree with EFFs position on things - especially spam. But the payment of money isn't a good way to distinguish real email from spam. It quashes free speech and allows spammers to pay to send you spam. I also tend to protest and kind of attempt to take what is essentially an

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Richard Clayton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I don't allways agree with EFFs position on things - especially spam. But the payment of money isn't a good way to distinguish real email from spam. as it happens I agree [and

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread W B Hacker
Marc Perkel wrote: I don't allways agree with EFFs position on things - especially spam. But the payment of money isn't a good way to distinguish real email from spam. The payment of money to the *recipeint* might be ;-) - but to skip-over spam checks? Isn't bribing a policeman a crime in

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Stanislaw Halik
Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the payment of money isn't a good way to distinguish real email from spam. It quashes free speech free speech is quashed because of what? i don't get under what premise you've had came to this conclusion. or is it a platitude? *snicker* free speech

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread W B Hacker
Richard Clayton wrote: *trimmed* Then, for consistency and the proper impact, you should be arranging to do the same with Yahoo! and researching how to distinguish the clients of Habeas and Ironport's Bonded Sender programme (I believe MSN and Hotmail are signed up) ... and doubtless some

Re: [exim] Protesting AOL pay to send email plan

2006-03-04 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 04/03/06, Marc Perkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of you know AOL is contemplating a pay to send email plan. snip Do some proper research before blindly forwarding politically-motivated invective. When you can personally verify each of the claims in the EFF boilerplate email, then come