Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org

2011-08-25 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2011-08-25 at 07:45 +0200, Jan Ingvoldstad wrote: On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 00:50, Frank Elsner frank.els...@tu-berlin.dewrote: One idea might be to send bounces and only bounces from a different interface/IP. This avoids blacklisting of the interface/IP used to send all other normal

Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org

2011-08-24 Thread Craig Whitmore
On 25/08/11 2:36 AM, Oliver Howe ojh...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think I should stop sending bounce backs as long as they are legitimate (if for example somebody made a typing mistake when composing a message). But I do want to stop sending bounce backs to messages that didnt come from where

Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org

2011-08-24 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
-Original Message- From: exim-users-boun...@exim.org [mailto:exim-users-boun...@exim.org] On Behalf Of Craig Whitmore Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:32 AM To: Oliver Howe; exim-users@exim.org Subject: Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org A mail server should not accept

Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org

2011-08-24 Thread Frank Elsner
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:36:56 +0100 Oliver Howe wrote: Hi, One of my mail servers has been listed at backscatterer.org They say they can remove me for 92 euros or I will be automatically removed in 4 weeks. One idea might be to send bounces and only bounces from a different interface/IP.

Re: [exim] listed at .backscatterer.org

2011-08-24 Thread Jan Ingvoldstad
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 00:50, Frank Elsner frank.els...@tu-berlin.dewrote: One idea might be to send bounces and only bounces from a different interface/IP. This avoids blacklisting of the interface/IP used to send all other normal mail. That is a decent way of mitigating the risks, but I

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread David Woodhouse
On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 11:48 +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: Well, the backscatter issue means that we have no choice but to try to do that. But that's a bad thing. It would be a much better world in which we were able to accept such messages, and then generate a bounce. Why? Because bounce

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Ron White
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 10:51 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: [snip other items for clarity] I think my hosts are frequently listed, but I've only _once_ noticed it causing a rejection -- and in that case, the admin of the rejecting mail server was easily persuaded to stop using backscatterer.org

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 29 June 2010 10:51:00 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: n Mon, 2010-06-28 at 11:48 +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: Well, the backscatter issue means that we have no choice but to try to do that. But that's a bad thing. It would be a much better world in which we were able

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 29 June 2010 10:51:00 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Users still won't bother to read them, and will prefer to ask a sysadmin who will have read the words on the user's screen to them, before the user actually understands.

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread David Woodhouse
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Jethro R Binks wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 29 June 2010 10:51:00 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Users still won't bother to read them, and will prefer to ask a sysadmin who will have read the words on the

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Jethro R Binks
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, David Woodhouse wrote: --On 29 June 2010 10:51:00 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Users still won't bother to read them, and will prefer to ask a sysadmin who will have read the words on the user's screen to them, before the user

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 29 June 2010 13:24:28 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 12:52 +0100, Jethro R Binks wrote: On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 29 June 2010 10:51:00 +0100 David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.org wrote: Users still won't bother to read

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Grant Peel
- Original Message - From: Phil Pennock exim-us...@spodhuis.org To: Grant Peel gp...@thenetnow.com Cc: exim-users@exim.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org On 2010-06-28 at 16:43 -0400, Grant Peel wrote: I have been researching

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Matt
Is it not possible to have an ACL check for over-quota and reject at SMTP time? I don't use Quotas myself, so I've not looked into it. Potentially difficult if your mailstore is a separate IMAP server, eg Cyrus, Dovecot.  But would you want to do this?  Surely over-quota should be treated

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2010-06-29 at 16:07 -0400, Grant Peel wrote: Does the rest of the config look sane to you? I only skimmed it briefly and am not going to have time for this any time soon, sorry. -- ## List details at http://lists.exim.org/mailman/listinfo/exim-users ## Exim details at http://www.exim.org/

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-29 Thread Grant Peel
OK, Thanks Phil :-) - Original Message - From: Phil Pennock exim-us...@spodhuis.org To: Grant Peel gp...@thenetnow.com Cc: exim-users@exim.org Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org On 2010-06-29 at 16:07 -0400, Grant Peel wrote: Does

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-28 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 25 June 2010 13:56:12 +0100 Ron White exim...@riotm.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 11:28 +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 24 June 2010 09:43:40 + Kebba Foon kebba.f...@qcell.gm wrote: Backscatterer - Why it is abusive and how to stop your system doing so Email servers

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-28 Thread Grant Peel
- Original Message - From: Ian Eiloart i...@sussex.ac.uk To: exim...@riotm.co.uk Cc: exim-users@exim.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org --On 25 June 2010 13:56:12 +0100 Ron White exim...@riotm.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-06-25

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-28 Thread Phil Pennock
On 2010-06-28 at 16:43 -0400, Grant Peel wrote: I have been researching and tinkering to no avail on the backscatter issue. Trying to make sure I am not the source, or the recipient of backscatter. backscatterer.org has not helped as occasionally my server have been listed. I am

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Ian Eiloart
--On 24 June 2010 09:43:40 + Kebba Foon kebba.f...@qcell.gm wrote: Backscatterer - Why it is abusive and how to stop your system doing so Email servers should be configured to provide Non-Delivery Reports (bounces) to local users only. Unacceptable email from anywhere else should be

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Ron White
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 11:28 +0100, Ian Eiloart wrote: --On 24 June 2010 09:43:40 + Kebba Foon kebba.f...@qcell.gm wrote: Backscatterer - Why it is abusive and how to stop your system doing so Email servers should be configured to provide Non-Delivery Reports (bounces) to local

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Lena
From: Kebba Foon recently i found out that some of the ip's i allow relay for are infect and send a lot of mails with fake sender addresses The bounces/backscatter is because a lot of these mails is to nonexistent recipient addresses (spammers' lists contain a lot of nonexistent addresses).

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Matt
my mail server has been listed at backscatterer.org, and on their site they suggested that i should only send bounces to local users but i dont know how to implement this in exim. recently i found out that some of the ip's i allow relay for are infect and send a lot of mails with fake sender

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Ron White
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 09:50 -0500, Matt wrote: my mail server has been listed at backscatterer.org, and on their site they suggested that i should only send bounces to local users but i dont know how to implement this in exim. recently i found out that some of the ip's i allow relay for

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Dennis Davis
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Ron White wrote: From: Ron White exim...@riotm.co.uk Cc: exim-users@exim.org Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:02:18 Subject: Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org ... Is it not possible to have an ACL check for over-quota and reject at SMTP time? I don't use Quotas myself

Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org

2010-06-25 Thread Ron White
On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 17:54 +0100, Dennis Davis wrote: On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Ron White wrote: From: Ron White exim...@riotm.co.uk Cc: exim-users@exim.org Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:02:18 Subject: Re: [exim] listed at Backscatterer.org ... Is it not possible to have an ACL check