On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:21 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 21:36 -0400, philomena wrote:
If you're a SuSE fan then seems you're hanging around the wrong
list, wouldn't you say ? :-)
No. The opportunity to read other lists and/or newsgroups helped
me get away from SuSE some time ago.
It's always the knowledge about an
Sean,
When configuring and doing things where root IS NEEDED is the exception
obviously! I am talking about as a normal user. Of course you have to
configure, tweak, install, etc. in root...THAT'S ITS JOB to administer
the system.
But when you are doing user stuff, like going online to get
The first thing a hacker wants to do when attacking your system is to gain root
access so he can exploit you system completely. If you are running your system
at root already you have saved him a lot of time and trouble. Also, to be
effective a virus needs root access. When viruses start showing
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 06:16:53PM -0400, Fireman71 wrote:
Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons.
I got tired of typing su and sudo about every 3rd command. I got tired of not
being able to cd into some of my directories.
A reasonable complaint. May I
That is what I have been trying to say,
obviously unsuccessfully. Thanks!
Bambi
Charles Curley wrote:
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 06:16:53PM -0400, Fireman71 wrote:
Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons.
I got tired of typing su and sudo about every
Funny how you remember things your father used to say. Mine used to look at me
and say, "Experience is a cruel teacher, but a fool can learn from no other."
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 06:16:53PM -0400, Fireman71 wrote:
Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons.
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ken Archer wrote:
Funny how you remember things your father used to say. Mine used to look at me
and say, "Experience is a cruel teacher, but a fool can learn from no other."
Good one. While certain (safe) commands have had permissions modified
to allow me to run
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ken Archer wrote:
Funny how you remember things your father used to say. Mine used to look at me
and say, "Experience is a cruel teacher, but a fool can learn from no other."
Good one. While certain (safe) commands have had
John Aldrich wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, Ken Archer wrote:
Funny how you remember things your father used to say. Mine used to look at me
and say, "Experience is a cruel teacher, but a fool can learn from no other."
Good one. While certain
I don't fully understand it, but in my 7.1 home directory, xhost+localhost is
the first line in my .xinitrc file. I really don't remember when I put it
there, but as the upgrades have come and gone, .xinitrc has remained the same in
my home directory which stays the same from one version to the
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact
Hoyt wrote:
I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality
of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is
inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed
paternalistic coercion is awfully Microsoft-ish. Is this the
From: "Civileme" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is something not to be done, for many reasons, including the fact
that you get kicked from most IRC servers.
I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality
of
It's my guess that Mandrake is thinking...that A: by doing this, we aren't
limiting any functionality, and B: it will prevent those who don't know from
doing things they shouldn't
just my opinion.
--T.
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 10:51:18AM -0400, Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This
Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is something not to be done, for many reasons,
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 10:51:18AM -0400, Hoyt wrote:
I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the functionality
of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have decided is
inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed
It's on http://www.forum.mandrakesoft.com/
Civileme
Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is something not to be
Go John!
I agree 100% with you!!
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Go John!
I agree 100% with you!!
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
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My guru wasn't very polite about /root. He said something to the effect of,
"Stay the he** out of root unless you are making a system change." It was
good advise then and it is good advice today.
Pj
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It's on http://www.forum.mandrakesoft.com/
Civileme
And I posted some excerpts from the comments here in reply.
Hoyt
actually, microsoft took the other approach, the one you're
suggesting is preferrable. they delivered a product
(outlook) with all safety features off, all doors open. how
many windows users knew to switch their scripting host off?
that's right, almost nobody - that's why LOVEYOU caught on
like
Hey Fellows,
Please don't think we are arrogant, this seem to indicate we are dumb. Why do
you think there is a root?
We also do use user for such things as mutt, fetchmail, qmail and procmail at
medium level security. The only time root is generally used is for
configuration, installation and
Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is something not to be done, for many
Mandrake is not being arrogant here. This has nothing to do with
crippling functionality, but rather with turning a multi-user operating
system into something resembling a "desktop OS." I think it's ineveitable
that these problems will arise. I don't know of a good way to solve it;
do
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Is there sound in suse?
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining
Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons.
I got tired of typing su and sudo about every 3rd command. I got tired of not
being able to cd into some of my directories.
When i make a mistake as root and wipe out half my file system, so what, its no
big deal to
My understanding is that this is a UNIX/LINUX thing, not a Mandrake
thing. Other distros would have the same functionality (I use this
word intentionally!)
One needs to understand that Root is not a user! Root is administrator.
Get that one and you will keep your system longer than anyone who
You are absolutely right Civileme!
Bambi
Civileme wrote:
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Exactly!
Bambi
John Aldrich wrote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
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You and your guru is absolutely right Pj!
We have all seen what running without a net under Microsoft means!
Bambi
Pj wrote:
My guru wasn't very polite about /root. He said something to the effect of,
"Stay the he** out of root unless you are making a system change." It was
good advise
Great analogy Michael!
Bambi
"Michael R. Batchelor" wrote:
I find it arrogant that Mandrake would deliberatly cripple the
functionality
of programs in order to prohibit certain behavior that they have
decided is
inappropriate. This kind of "I know better than you" unwelcomed
On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 12:25:51PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mandrake is not being arrogant here. This has nothing to do with
crippling functionality, but rather with turning a multi-user operating
system into something resembling a "desktop OS." I think it's ineveitable
that
Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do.
Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall due to
running as root and opening yourself up to invasion and loss.
Not everyone wants or needs to take the unnecessary time to do
that...su is not hard!
If everyone wanted
I welcome the new security options and root
should be avoided.
But, I don't have time to read up on all the new
changes. In an upgrade to 8.0 I would expect a
sharp learning curve.
I would like some response when I run into these
new walls built by Mandrake. A note in the new
security logs
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Hoyt wrote:
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Are you folks who are complaining running as _root_?
This is
If you're a SuSE fan then seems you're hanging around the wrong list, wouldn't you
say ? :-)
philomena
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Fran Parker wrote:
Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do.
Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall due to
running as root and opening yourself up to invasion and loss.
Not everyone wants or needs to take the unnecessary time to do
that...su is not
Come back in a couple of years (if you are still using Linux) and tells us you
are still logging in as root only.
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, you wrote:
Fran Parker wrote:
Not everyone wants or needs to take the kind of chances you do.
Not everyone wants or needs to, as you suggest, reinstall
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Fireman71 wrote:
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:16:53 -0400
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Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake's Arrogance
Hmmm, i run root all the time and will continue to do so. couple of reasons.
I got tired of typing su and sudo
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