Hello HaywireMac,
Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 9:36:11 PM, you wrote:
H The Trusted Computing Initiative is not to be trusted at all.
Each of us has to convince someone 'new' of this each week (or less).
This may be attempted politically, and we will need a LOT of support
if that is the case.
H
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:04:12 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
The largest advantage most users have is that the true experts at
doing things like this... won't because they have to much to lose.
That's why I hope you see my point, this guy is applying altogether too
much
On Tuesday 21 October 2003 11:48 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
No he didn't do this. What he said was that a piecemeal attempt at
security is not a solution, instead it's a path to death. True security
occurs will all parts are in concert. What good is a firewall if the
chat software allows
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October 22, 2003 06:08 am, Bryan Phinney wrote:
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And somehow we are led to believe that getting into a room with a bunch of
corporate representatives from various companies will somehow result in a
superior product than the free marketplace of
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 12:31 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
I don't know about your own experiences, but everytime I have been
involved in a product development effort designed by a committee, I have
not been overly impressed with the final results. Again, YMMV.
My own personal experiences
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October 22, 2003 12:38 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
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For
the average non-technically inclined computer user any GNU/Linux/Open
Source system is easier to secure and maintain as secure. Simply because
there are so many ways to work toward the
On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 11:38, Bryan Phinney wrote:
...
No offense taken here, I was just plugging my .02 pence in to the discussion.
Everytime that I see someone suggesting that open source developers cooperate
with industry more, work with committees, etc., I almost always get visions
of
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:18 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.
I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:
Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!
er, that *was* the motion, right? where's the minutes...
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Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!
er, that *was* the motion, right? where's the minutes...
Wasnt there a second motion? Something about getting a rope and finding Bill
Gates :)
Want to buy your Pack
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October 22, 2003 02:17 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:18 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.
I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:
Motion carried! We nuke
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 22:17, HaywireMac wrote:
Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!
Yeah, I second that!!
E, what's Redmond?;)
Good luck,
HarM
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On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 21:17, HaywireMac wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:53:18 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You're absolutely correct as far as I can tell.
I guess that means we're in total agreement. (-:
Motion carried! We nuke Redmond!
er,
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:31:03 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Linux can be easily exploited. Don't believe me. Grab the old
wu-ftpd anon ftp rpms install them get a cup of coffee and come back..
You will be root-kitted. However distro's like MDK dropping such huge
holes
On Monday 20 October 2003 09:41 pm, Cy Kurtz wrote:
C'mon, I'll give you ten to one on the Windows box... ;-)
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at windows boxen, because they are more
numerous. People
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:57:49 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Another misguided attempt by an MS apologist to deflect with smoke and
mirrors, with a leavening of faulty logic, what is widely known:
You thought *that* guy was a dildo, check this out:
On Tuesday 21 Oct 2003 2:18 am, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:04:11 -0400
yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Before flaming me read my signature.
Sorry to spoil that bashing of the writer, but he makes a valid
point.
No he doesn't.
It is not an OS, it is user who use it.
On Tuesday 21 Oct 2003 3:18 am, Dan Jones wrote:
He did make a couple of valid point, although he doesn't make them
very well, and they don't really rebut the article he's addressing.
One, as Linux becomes more popular on the desktop, the temptation
to dump it down becomes very strong. I've
On Tuesday 21 Oct 2003 2:41 am, Cy Kurtz wrote:
Take a default install of any Linux distro, and a default install
of Windows, connect them to the internet with no firewall or any
antivirus software, and see which one gets compromised 1st.
Would you feel better if you were compromised the
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:28:22 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Would you feel better if you were compromised the day after instead of
the day before?
Verry funny... ;-)
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On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:14, Bryan Phinney wrote:
On Monday 20 October 2003 09:41 pm, Cy Kurtz wrote:
C'mon, I'll give you ten to one on the Windows box... ;-)
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:08:15 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
It seemed to me that the point he was making was that linux will be
vulnerable, if not as much as windows, if it is used in the same
sloppy way. And I agree with him.
I don't doubt that, but his point, to rebut the
Hello James,
Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 2:25:06 PM, you wrote:
JS as more and more of the windows world enters the world of Unix +
JS the desire to make it as painless as possible may well increase
JS the chances of something being haywire.
I see this as the biggest threat. Especially if
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 04:28, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:57:49 -0600
Charlie M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Another misguided attempt by an MS apologist to deflect with smoke and
mirrors, with a leavening of faulty logic, what is widely known:
You thought *that* guy was
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We already see the start of this in Lindows. Root by default. I also recall
reading something recently about giving macro-running capability to SO/OO ala
Office (yeah, I know it has its own macros as it is but my impression was it
might be an
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:03:22 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
snip.in this case a hacker named Silvio Cesare, who proved with
an alarming degree of success that one can patch a statically compiled
kernel in memory. As time progresses, this will probably evolve into
the
On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 20:21, HaywireMac wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:03:22 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
snip.in this case a hacker named Silvio Cesare, who proved with
an alarming degree of success that one can patch a statically compiled
kernel in memory. As
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:48:34 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Not true, I've seen the paper he refers to. It's possible to patch a
running kernel in order to gain ownership... that's the scary part.
In theory, and with the expertise of a hacker like Silvio Cesare. Is
this
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Anne
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Anne
sigh Here we go again.
As has happened many times before, the author of this piece of
journalistic tripe is trolling for
On Monday 20 October 2003 22:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Anne
sigh Here we go again.
As has happened many times before, the
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October 20, 2003 02:54 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Another misguided attempt by an MS
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:57, Charlie M. wrote:
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October 20, 2003 02:54 pm, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
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October 20, 2003 04:11 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
snip
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the power
of human stupidity. Especially in large groups. insert
On Monday 20 October 2003 06:34 pm, Charlie M. wrote:
October 20, 2003 04:11 pm, Jack Coates wrote:
snip
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
As my maternal grandfather was wont to say Never underestimate the
power of human stupidity. Especially in large groups.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:04:11 -0400
yankl [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
Before flaming me read my signature.
Sorry to spoil that bashing of the writer, but he makes a valid point.
No he doesn't.
It is not an OS, it is user who use it. 99.% of windblows viruses
are based on the social
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 16:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Anne
sigh Here we go again.
As has happened many times before, the
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October 20, 2003 07:04 pm, yankl wrote:
snip
Before flaming me read my signature.
Why would I flame you?
Sorry to spoil that bashing of the writer, but he makes a valid point. It
is not an OS, it is user who use it. 99.% of windblows viruses
On 20 Oct 2003 21:41:10 -0400
Cy Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at windows boxen, because they are more
numerous. People writing virii want to do as much damage as possible,
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On 20 Oct 2003 21:41:10 -0400
Cy Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at windows boxen, because they are more
numerous.
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:49, Charlie M. wrote:
I bash the writer because I see his article as an attack on anyone that holds
the view that Windows is insecure by design, and his alluding to the fact
that those of us stating the opposite about GNU/Linux are idiots.
While I agree with your
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:32, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Monday 20 October 2003 22:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
http://www.virusbtn.com/news/latest_news/granneman.xml
Anne
sigh
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 20:54, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:32, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Monday 20 October 2003 22:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
You may find this interesting:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 18:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On 20 Oct 2003 21:41:10 -0400
Cy Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at windows boxen, because they are more
numerous.
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:04, Jack Coates wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 20:54, James Sparenberg wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 14:32, H.J.Bathoorn wrote:
On Monday 20 October 2003 22:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:39:44 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Cy Kurtz wrote:
On Mon, 2003-10-20 at 21:54, HaywireMac wrote:
On 20 Oct 2003 21:41:10 -0400
Cy Kurtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
no no no wait a minute!
What happens when Linux becomes as popular as windows? Most people
writing virii are aiming at windows
On Thursday 04 September 2003 08:06 pm, Charlie wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:57 pm, many eyes noted that Mark wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See the attached file for details
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server passed this
message along!
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 12:35 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server
passed this message along! There are people who do read this
list from within windows.
How Dare They! LOL
Actually, I'm not. Why help the competition? Would anyone
On Friday 05 September 2003 08:51 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 12:35 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server
passed this message along! There are people who do read this
list from within windows.
How Dare They! LOL
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 2:51 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server
passed this message along! There are people who do read
this list from within windows.
How Dare They! LOL
Actually, I'm not. Why help the competition?
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 07:19, Anne Wilson wrote:
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 2:51 pm, Bryan Phinney wrote:
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server
passed this message along! There are people who do read
this list from within windows.
How Dare They! LOL
On Friday 05 Sep 2003 7:58 pm, James Sparenberg wrote:
I dunno seems they may be trying to adjust things. I just got
a bounce message from Sympa because one of the addresses the list
goes to is dead.
inserted text
Your message
To: Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:
To: Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Mozilla Aqua theme?
Sent: Fri Sep 05 10:08:57 2003
did not reach the following recipient(s):
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri Sep 05 10:08:57 2003
The e-mail account does not exist at the organization
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 19:41, Eric Huff wrote:
To: Expert List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Mozilla Aqua theme?
Sent: Fri Sep 05 10:08:57 2003
did not reach the following recipient(s):
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri Sep 05 10:08:57 2003
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:05:05 -0700
James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
who prolly was a subscriber and got his ass fired from there just
recently...
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See the attached file for details
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server passed this
message along! There are people who do read this list from within
windows.
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If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Upon further inspection of the headers it would appear that some poor
soul that reads this list is infected. Although sadly, they don't read it
closely enough cause they're using Outlook Express. Course those
On Thursday 04 Sep 2003 12:57 pm, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server passed
this message along! There are people who do read this list from
within windows.
It is affecting
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 12:46:45 +0100
Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
It is affecting both newbie and expert lists. I have had it on both
this morning.
No system is ever 100% effective. Which is a Good Thing, because it
works both ways, ya get me?
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If this is you, you need to detach from the internet and clean your
machine!
You have been infected by Sobig virus.
David.
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BFD, it happens. I'm less concerned about spam/viral filtering than I am
about replacing Sympa for Mailman. Hell, I'm about ready to volunteer.
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list
David wrote:
If this is you, you need to detach from the internet and clean your
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On Thursday 04 Sep 2003 12:57 pm, Mark wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 09:57 pm, many eyes noted that Mark wrote:
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See the attached file for details
O, for God's sake! I can't believe the Mandrake list server passed this
message along! There are people who do read this list from within
windows.
How
On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:34 pm, many eyes noted that David wrote:
If this is you, you need to detach from the internet and clean your
machine!
You have been infected by Sobig virus.
David.
I have read that some lists deny access to any mail originating from hotmail
and similar systems. It
Does anyone know of any way to make a linux box a virus wall?
In a perfect world it would accpt the email scan in, then forward it to the
mail server.
Anything like this out there for Linux?
Thanks
Dan
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On Thu, 2002-08-29 at 21:59, Belkie, Dan wrote:
Does anyone know of any way to make a linux box a virus wall?
In a perfect world it would accpt the email scan in, then forward it to the
mail server.
Anything like this out there for Linux?
Thanks
Dan
The products Name is
For the whole network.
Thanks
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Sent: Thursday, 20 September 2001 11:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jose Orlando T. Ribeiro
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Virus protection...
Hello,
I will check it out...
Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera.
On Wednesday 19
Micro has many products which one is it exactly that you use?
Thanks again,
Vincent A. Primavera.
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Subject: Re: [expert] Virus protection...
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:36:37 +
From: Vincent A. Primavera [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL
]; Jose Orlando T. Ribeiro
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Virus protection...
Hello,
I will check it out...
Thank you,
Vincent A. Primavera.
On Wednesday 19 September 2001 02:48 pm, Jose Orlando T. Ribeiro wrote:
go to
http://www.antivir.de
Hello,
Trend Micro has many products which one is it exactly that you use?
Thanks again,
Vincent A. Primavera.
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Subject: Re: [expert] Virus protection...
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 07:36:37 +
From: Vincent A. Primavera [EMAIL
this, and it passed ALL tests I threw at it...
rgds
frank
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Sent: Friday, 21 September 2001 4:50 PM
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [expert] Virus protection...
Hello,
It is just
go to
http://www.antivir.de
they have a antivirus gateway, very easy to configure (with sendmail or
postfix).
it´s free for personal use, US$400 for a site license, I think
orlando
Vincent A.Primavera wrote:
Hello,
We are currently running an IBM F50 RS/6000 at my company's
For those of you running mail servers... I have a recomendation.
I just started testing a new setup,,
I am using the latest amavisd snapshot along with a recent postfix
version...
and Network Associates Virus scan for linux 4.0.50
anyway, after many problems, (which turned out to be typos on
you can try amavis too
www.amavis.org
Andy
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administrator
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 5:30 PM
To: mandrake user
Subject: RE: [expert] Virus scanning via postfix
you're best bet
- Expert
Subject: [expert] Virus scanning via postfix
Hi, has anyone been able to get the Mandrake configured postix in 7.2 to
virus scan. In particular I am looking at using anomy, then eventally
using that to call AVP. I had go at this some months ago and failed, so
now I am looking
Hi, has anyone been able to get the Mandrake configured postix in 7.2 to
virus scan. In particular I am looking at using anomy, then eventally
using that to call AVP. I had go at this some months ago and failed, so
now I am looking for some hints as to the best way to go about this.
Hi,
I am using the standard postfix/imap setup for Mandrake 7.2 for mail
and wish to start virus scanning incoming email (navidad and kak were
sent to me recently! - how many passed through wthout being spotted?).
How do I get the mail transport in postfix (cyrus according to the
config
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