Agreed! Climbing onto the diving board, walking out to the end, and leaning
forward, all involve effort, although each step requires less effort. What is
effortless, is once the proper angle is achieved, gravity does the rest which
is the effortless part. Like wise with TM, sitting down,
Yes clearly, and requires some spiritual discipline to actually sit up and do
it. Some people could expend a little more effort to do this and be a little
more regular in their practice too. The science clearly says that would be
helpful to themselves and everyone else around them. Helpful,
What is effort?
If I hear a sound and sit up from sleep, did I apply mental effort to sit up
or was it a spontaneous reaction?
If I close my eyes after sitting up and my mantra spontaneously flits through
my mind and I fail to open my eyes again for 10-60 minutes, even though I'm
sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmwgDfLigs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmwgDfLigs
other posters kite?
'Mahila akhada' Judy and Swami Turquoisebe?
maharishis pandits?
Golden Dome male and female peace flying choir?
Hah! I train my falcons with a kite like those. I got it from Into the Wind in
Bolder Colorado. I send the kite up 500+ ft and suspend a lure under it and the
falcon flies up and grabs the lure which slides down the string with the falcon
hanging on. Great exercise for the bird. Like P90X for
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.)
For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its
adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when you
Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the kite is
the mantra...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:18 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com
authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back
to it are virtually
I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back
to it are virtually simultaneous. The realization instantly evokes the
mantra--as if, in some sense, the realization were the mantra.
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
.
From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:20 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think
of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
The first of these lies or deceptions about Transcendental
Meditation (TM) that I'd like to talk about is the idea of
effortlessness. It is often claimed that TM is effortless and that
this somehow makes it superior to other forms of meditation
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of
this treatise on TM and its effortlessness:
The first of these lies or deceptions about Transcendental Meditation (TM)
that I'd like to talk about is the idea of effortlessness. It is often claimed
that TM is
On 3/28/2014 9:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how
its adherents would answer the question: Does it take effort -- when
you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about --
to decide to think about something else and
On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In
fact, I think it would take a bit of effort /not/ to go back to the
mantra.)
Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation
you've stopped thinking
On 3/28/2014 10:22 AM, Share Long wrote:
Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the
kite is the mantra...
It's like a the vibrationsystem in Kashmir which is described as the
vibration/movement of consciousness, a kind of throb, which is the
essence of some sort
Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time...
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I
think it would take a
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former
think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness:
Let's see, how many times have we discussed this topic? If you count the
discussions on Google Groups, it would probably be
Note that the subject of this thread 'IS TM and Effortless Practice' is
nonsensical because of a couple of typos.
The first part 'IS TM' would seem to be asking if there is such as thing as
TM, unless this means there is something called 'IS TM' whose existence is
being questioned.
Maybe
: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of
this treatise on TM and its effortlessness:
The first of these lies or deceptions about Transcendental Meditation (TM)
that I'd like to talk about is the idea
Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it
may be that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this
what you meant? Do you think witnessing thoughts is effortless?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Or you
Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time that thinking is
happening and yes, it is effortless.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:39 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Share, I assume that witnessing thoughts is not transcendencein that it
may be
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not,
because I certainly notice the fact that I am witnessing my thoughts, which I
consider an effort.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the
Emily, which is effort, the noticing or the witnessing? BTW, I'm not a TM
teacher so not really trained in all this.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:54 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com
emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not,
It was supposed to read Is TM an Effortless Practice?
On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 6:32
On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 6:32 PM
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not a
couple as he says.
It was supposed to read Is TM an Effortless Practice?
Note that
the subject of this thread 'IS TM and
Effortless Practice' is nonsensical because of a couple
of typos.
The first
part
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The
first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of
'an'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not
As Xeno knows, all-caps are often used for emphasis in Web comments.
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The
first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of
'an'.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote :
He
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded as 'effortless'?
The definition of effortless is 'requiring no physical or mental exertion'. The
word has synonyms easy
offhand
painless
uncomplicated
child's play
cursive
duck soup
facile
flowing
fluent
light
no problem
Xeno, for me the best descriptors would be the words flowing and simple. But I
bet others would choose different words as the best descriptors.
On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:48 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com
anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded
Depending on the context, capitalisation certainly can be used for emphasis,
but in this case it looks like a mistake because the word 'is' is so short. On
a forum that allows some typeface adjustment I would have used 'Is TM an
effortless practice?' In HTML there are elements (tags) em and
Like Jack Daniel's burning holes through your karma. Smooth. (Although on the
web some say Jack Daniels is for pussies:
It isn't so much that Jack is bad, (but it ain't great) it is that outside of
being drank neat, it isn't detectable as whiskey, it’s more of a light sweet
water. Jack
.
http://thewhiskeyjug.com/bourbon-whiskey/old-grand-dad-review/
On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is TM an Effortless Practice?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28
: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is TM an Effortless Practice?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 9:13 PM
Like Jack Daniel's burning holes through your
karma. Smooth. (Although on the web
I think it would be the noticing, or maybe the recognizing, if one would call
that an effort. I don't know that being aware that there are thoughts
emanating would be an effort. I was subjectively defining these terms; I
don't do TM, remember, so I don't speak with an understanding of the
On 3/28/2014 3:48 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote:
With regard to effortlessness, exactly what would be regarded as
'effortless'?
On a scale of one to ten, with one being effortless, and ten being
maximum effort, I'd say that doing TM is about a 1.1, and sixth level
calculus about a 9.9.
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