--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group,
its principles, its teachings, or
Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group,
its principles, its teachings, or its teacher
are challenged? (And I pose this question with
my experience with the Rama group as much in
mind as my
Tom the Dancing Bug's take on cult thinking
and how it develops:
http://www.salon.com/comics/boll/2008/12/25/boll/index.html
It starts small, with attempts to change the
language of mere belief into the language of
certainty or truth. This is followed up by
attempts to prove the truth. But in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group,
its principles, its teachings, or its teacher
are challenged? (And I pose this
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote:
snip
THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or
another:
There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his
way to the
front of the worshippers and
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 5:03 AM
Well said, Peter, and well thought out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
From: TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 9:01 AM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, TurquoiseB no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Rabidly hating the TMO and MMY is just as invested/
attached/identified as rabidly loving it.
While I agree 100% with your last sentence,
I should
On Dec 27, 2008, at 6:22 AM, sparaig wrote:
THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or another:
There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
no bounds. Eery day he woiuld trek to the shrine, wend his way to the
front of the worshippers and spit. Then walk off.
This
Peter wrote:
Deep love or deep hatred are attachments that
can lead to transcendence depending upon whom
or what one is attached to.
This doesn't even make any sense. How can an
'attachment' lead to transcendence? Anytime
that you have an attachment, you're that much
further from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group,
its principles, its teachings, or its teacher
are challenged? (And I pose this
On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:03 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Well said, Peter, and well thought out through.
There is an element missing, however. How do
the people in the group react when the group,
its principles, its teachings, or its teacher
are challenged? (And I pose this question with
my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
snip
It's a long list, but there are many brand-name
superiority assumptions which are prevalent even
at the level of the average Joe or Jane
meditator. This IMO is the root of TM cultism,
and not so much the dye-in-the-wool TMO
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Peter drpetersutp...@yahoo.com wrote:
If the question is whether the TMO is a cult or not is too simple a question.
It makes it appear as if its an all or nothing question and that doesn't
reflect the broad experiential reality of people in their various
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
snip
If someone didn't have an attachment to a group identity,
why would they endlessly criticize that group?
Speaking of inauthentic arguments, Pete,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
snip
THis is from vague memory. PRhaps from this gorup or
another:
There once was a man who hated Lord SHiva. His hatred knew
no bounds. Eery day he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
snip
It's a long list, but there are many brand-name
superiority assumptions which are prevalent even
at the level of the average Joe or Jane
meditator. This
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Richard J. Williams willy...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, December 27, 2008, 11:02 AM
Peter wrote:
Deep love or deep
The result of
her investigation was a book,Cults: The Battle for God (1990,
TM is not a religion - except in the sense that it tries to offer a
lifestyle and spiritual dimension to people .
Oh, so it is a religion for some, in the sense that TM and the
movement does offer a lifestyle and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote:
From: David Orme-Johnson [mailto:davi...@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:40 PM
To: David Orme-Johnson
Subject: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
Dear Colleagues,
I just posted this letter re TM and
every day in the dome.
--- On Fri, 12/26/08, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: CULT EXPERT WRITES ON THE TM PROGRAM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, December 26, 2008, 12:07 PM
The result
Gee, this is very well said, Peter.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@...
wrote:
If the question is whether the TMO is a cult or not is too simple a
question. It makes it appear as if its an all or nothing question and
that doesn't reflect the broad experiential
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