[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-15 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Pema said she believes in the Buddha who taught that the goal of liberation was to put out the endless round of suffering. Denise Evans: That may be what she believes... Almost the whole of Asia believes in samsara; it's the corner-stone of almost all Asian philosophies. kham eva

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-15 Thread emptybill
Perhaps this would be better, more simple and direct. Also done by a Buddhist nun but without the baggage. http://www.leighb.com/4bvs.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans dmevans365@... wrote: Like I said, for simpletons :) Â I tend to always want to condense and translate

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-15 Thread azgrey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: What about you guys? Got any cool credo lines you want to share, quotes that nail it so well for you that you would consider them one of your credos in life? Don't worry, it only seems kinky the first time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
turquoiseb: Consider another of Rick's quotes from the home page, this one from the Buddha: So, you believe in 'Buddhas', because you read it on Rick's home page. LoL Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
Denise Evans: I feel gratitude to the Buddha... Which one? for pointing out that what we struggle against all our lives can be acknowledged as ordinary experience - Pema Chodren, The Places that Scare You

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Denise Evans
You'd have to ask PemaI simply translated Buddha as Source or God or Jesus or whatever Hindu god representshere is the rest of it... Life does continually go up and down.  People and situations are unpredictable and so is everything else.  Everybody knows the pain of getting what we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I find I do not do much research, but I am in the will to find out group. If it seems critical, I will look something up. But writing on a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I find I do not do much research, but I am in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I was not suggesting censorship. You are actually off the forum for several days a week anyway because you use up your quota. I did not suggest that *I* wanted you off the forum. I was merely suggesting redistributing your responses more evenly across the week, or varying your post times to get

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: I was not suggesting censorship. You are actually off the forum for several days a week anyway because you use up your quota. Sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not. Depends on what's going on. I did not suggest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I was not suggesting censorship. You are actually off the forum for several days a week anyway because you use up your quota. Sometimes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip What are you defending? Xeno, it's not working. This isn't your thing. Drop it, please.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip What are you defending? Xeno, it's not working. This isn't your thing. Drop it, please. Sure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread emptybill
Many of the statements of Pema Chödron are based upon confusing the practices of real life (householder responsibilities) with the artificial life of monasticism. Indian Mahayana monks and Tibetans were notorious confusers of these two different realms and Pema Chödron articulates these same

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Denise Evans
Ya see,  much of what resonates as truth for each of us is subjective, the way I have experienced it.  Hence the need to argue about which truth is more truthful and which is the real truth. --- On Wed, 9/14/11, richardwillytexwilliams willy...@yahoo.com wrote: From: richardwillytexwilliams

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread richardwillytexwilliams
I feel gratitude to the Buddha... Which one? Denise Evans: You'd have to ask Pema... Pema said she believes in the Buddha who taught that the goal of liberation was to put out the endless round of suffering. Samsara: http://tinyurl.com/7e2o5c This assumptive idea is so thin. It is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Denise Evans
Like I said, for simpletons :)  I tend to always want to condense and translate complexity into more simple paraphrase...after the analysis is said and done, what is the main point and can I use it to inform my life? That's all I'm really after in most of what I read.  I don't disagree with you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-14 Thread Denise Evans
That may be what she believes.In reading what the wiki definition sent on Samsara, I happen to agree that life is a continuous flow - both Hinduism and Buddhism seem to agree on this larger concept.  The rest of the definition is parsed out according to its respective religious context.By

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip Think about the Neoconservatives and their war against science. Wrong group. The neoconservatives have no war against science. Their focus is almost exclusively on foreign policy. Jeez, how ignorant!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip What about you guys? Got any cool credo lines you want to share, quotes that nail it so well for you that you would consider them one of your credos in life? Only by investing and speaking your vision with passion, can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread whynotnow7
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip What about you guys? Got any cool credo lines you want to share, quotes that nail it so well for you that you would consider them one of your credos

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Think about the Neoconservatives and their war against science. Wrong group. The neoconservatives have no war against science. Their focus is almost

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip Think about the Neoconservatives and their war against science.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Instead of calling people stupid or ignorant when they make a mistake, why not enlighten them rather than belittle them? P.S.: It's only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend

[FairfieldLife] Re: Credos: the will to believe vs. the wish to find out

2011-09-13 Thread merudanda
You can try to go as fast as you want in an obstructed lane, but no matter how close you try to get to the car in front of you, you're not getting there before he is. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend