[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who > > > is survived by one daughter and two sons? > > > > Joe: > > I see. It's "my guru's better than your guru" > > time for Wee Willy. > > > You don't have to get so upset. So, yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex
> > Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who > > is survived by one daughter and two sons? > > Joe: > I see. It's "my guru's better than your guru" > time for Wee Willy. > You don't have to get so upset. So, you wanted to be a spiritual teacher, but things just didn't work out for you. Th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Joe
I see. It's "my guru's better than your guru" time for Wee Willy. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > > > Among the dashanami the "giri" line > > > accepts non-brahmana. > > > > Vaj: > > Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya > > who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone r

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread WillyTex
> > Among the dashanami the "giri" line > > accepts non-brahmana. > > Vaj: > Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya > who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or > historical that you could share? > Your guru, Swami Rama of the Himalayas, who is survived by one daughter and two sons? "Swami R

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-14 Thread Mike Dixon
s.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 9:15:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   Mike, I can't say 100% certanty that there is no relation. However, I probably would have heard about it as I am very close friends with a number of his direct disciples. Up until the very end of M

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread emptybill
As far as I am aware, Shankaracharyas are chosen by the various councils of brahmana-s and Shankaracharyas are Brahmanas. The fact that the Shankaracharyas are chosen by councils and counter-councils explains the disputed quality of most of these Shankaras. Roman Catholics and Orthodox ecclesia

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread randyanand
be a very special man, > but > a man very good at putting on a show. Still love him though! > > > > ____ > From: randyanand > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:44:13 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
st enjoying my retirement, taking it as it comes. From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 3:36:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Yes, he did give form

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 6:56 PM, emptybill wrote: > > True for some but not all. > > Among the dashanami the "giri" line accepts non-brahmana. Who's a good example of a Shankaracharya who was non-Brahmin E.? Anyone recent or historical that you could share?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread emptybill
True for some but not all. Among the dashanami the "giri" line accepts non-brahmana. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the > > friend I was with, swo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: > Yes, he did give formal vows, in the beginning,maybe even up till the early > 70's, but I was told later he stopped it, or may have been much more > selective to whom he gave them. > And, of course, you realize from the POV of Swami Brahmanand

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: > he's just a man, maybe a very special man, Ah, so you're still having trouble letting it all go! Concentrate more on the "maybe" and less on the "special" and you'll be headed in the right direction. Unless, of course, you consider a Hindoo Do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: > I did think about it... often and that was my justification for not believing > it for so long. But, M was never married and that doesn't mean he couldn't > have been sowing some *vedic oates* as he did with *out caste*schicksa > women, alleged

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
just a man, maybe a very special man, but a man very good at putting on a show. Still love him though! From: randyanand To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:44:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   The current shankar

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread randyanand
esday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand > > > > > > Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. > > I wonder if he looks "lighter" than most Indians. There shoul

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Just because Rick Archer believes whatever he reads in a book

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Mike Dixon > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Fai

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
Wasn't Shukadeva conceived in a boat out of wedlock? From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 12:50:37 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   There's this yogi thing I've read and heard

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread WillyTex
> > What a Soap Opera that would make! > > Vaj: > Indians are extremely caste-conscious. The second > you utter your surname, you're "pegged". The > Shankaracharya Order is extremely Brahmin-centric. > No other castes need apply. No other castes would be > teaching in that tradition, let al

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Bhairitu
groups.com > Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:59:00 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand > > > > > On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: > > > >> I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I >>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
rfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 12:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   Rick Archer wrote: > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of Mike Dixon > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM > To: Fairfie

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
a Brahmin?M has never had a problem taking care of his own, be it family or Shankaracharyas. From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 11:59:00 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
10 10:34:26 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand   From:FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:FairfieldLi f...@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindr

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote: > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Mike Dixon > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand > > > >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:22 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: I hate to say this, but when I was in India, at Jyotir Math, the friend I was with, swore to me the monk baby sitting the place, told him that the current Shankaracharya, forget his name, was M's son! At the time, I laughed it off as a mis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Interesting. He says “I did renounce the world because I wanted to live a spiritual life…. But then I found that spiritual life is not dependent on renouncing the world.” IIRC that's a theme in either his Gita 1-6 comment or the appendices.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 1:07 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand Wowthat would explain plenty. But who knows. I wonder if he looks

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vaj Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:50 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/maharishi1

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Joe
M. What a Soap > Opera that would make! > > > > > > From: WillyTex > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:54:03 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand > >   > > > Joe: > > I recall reading a sad story about

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Vaj
On Jul 13, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: LOL, was that Majorca, be either a householder or a monk? I heard the same thing, directly from him. Hotel Samoa, fall of '71. http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/audiointerviews/profilepages/ maharishi1.shtml

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Dixon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand He never said all these things directly to me. M did say the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
ead on FFL, I have to wonder if it's not true. He, the current Shank, does resemble a younger M. What a Soap Opera that would make! From: WillyTex To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 10:54:03 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
for gay people. A friend told me he heard M say "if they don't stop doing what they are doing, even I won't be able to help them". That was a pre-HIV time. From: Joe To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 8:05:47 AM Subjec

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-13 Thread Mike Dixon
LOL, was that Majorca, be either a householder or a monk? I heard the same thing, directly from him. Hotel Samoa, fall of '71. From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 8:58:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread shukra69
sounds like he may have been celibate for many decades a least himself and had been very non-judgemental in a least one instance when someone admitted to having broken that vow --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > When was this? Did he say this to you? > > I ask because he to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread Joe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Why pay all that money and spend all that time in a hot, > > > steamy, fly-infested, daub-and-wattle hut, out in the > > > Indian jungle, just to get some 'Kama Sutra' action? > > > > Joe: > > You're sounding a bit desperate Willy b

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread WillyTex
> > Why pay all that money and spend all that time in a hot, > > steamy, fly-infested, daub-and-wattle hut, out in the > > Indian jungle, just to get some 'Kama Sutra' action? > > Joe: > You're sounding a bit desperate Willy boy. > What happened to all the money, Joe? > > > I recall reading a sad

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread Joe
You're sounding a bit desperate Willy boy. Take a few deep breaths. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Joe: > > I recall reading a sad story about Divindra... > > > The last I heard, Davindra got kicked out of the TMO by > the Maharishi for having sexual relations w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread Joe
Indeed. This seems to be what a lot of player gurus do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" wrote: > > > > Joe: > > When was this? Did he say this to you? > > > > I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate... > > > That's smart - why share all the girls with you, Joe? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread WillyTex
> > When was this? Did he say this to you? > > > > I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate, > > same as he did many men around me at the time which > > was 1973. > > TurquoiseB: > Interestingly, although I heard him advise many other > guys to be celibate, he never suggested that t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread WillyTex
Joe: > When was this? Did he say this to you? > > I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate... > That's smart - why share all the girls with you, Joe?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread WillyTex
Joe: > I recall reading a sad story about Divindra... > The last I heard, Davindra got kicked out of the TMO by the Maharishi for having sexual relations with Judith and Jennifer, after the Yogi ran his sweaty hands all over them under their saris. What in the hell was going on inside that guy

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > When was this? Did he say this to you? > > I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate, same as > he did many men around me at the time which was 1973. Interestingly, although I heard him advise many other guys to be celibate, he nev

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-12 Thread Joe
When was this? Did he say this to you? I ask because he told me (directly) to be celibate, same as he did many men around me at the time which was 1973. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I heard Devindra died many years ago of complications from diabetes and > Satyana

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-11 Thread randyanand
When I was visiting Rishikesh a few years ago, I was told that Sattyanand had moved from Rishikesh to Noida and was staying there. It appeared that he was not doing much in Noida, but was looked upon as one of the movemements' elders. He died a few years ago. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-11 Thread Joe
Wow...hey, you'll all get old and forgetful too one day! Thanks AlexI had this feeling that I had asked about this before. Unfortunately, the answers don't get any better. Sad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-11 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldL

[FairfieldLife] Re: Divindra and Sattyanand

2010-07-11 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > All this talk of being (or NOT being) a brahmachari these past few days, has > me wondering what became of MMY's two most famous Indian Brahmachari's, > Divindra and Sattyanand. > > I recall reading a sad story about Divindrathat he,