[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/27/05 9:13 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp, headed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread TurquoiseB
John Cowhig now has a job walking around in the forest looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a nice job to me. Who does he work for? I'm interested, too, not because John Cowhig means anything to me, but because I know a few good luthiers, and am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: The TMO has always related higher levels of consciousness

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-28 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/28/05 7:05 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Cowhig now has a job walking around in the forest looking for pieces of wood suitable for making guitars. Sounds like a nice job to me. Who does he work for? Don't know. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in a life-supportive way has nuances: in CC, one doesn't act in a way that harms one's own evolution. In higher states,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 4:14 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ethics won't get you Enlightened. But without Ethics you will not get Enlightened. Want to know why?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in a life-supportive way has nuances: in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Vaj
On Dec 26, 2005, at 10:07 PM, sparaig wrote:In Ken's parlance, 'acting unethical is still within dualities,  it's   merely the photographic negative of ethical activity.' Having said that it is possible to appear to be acting unethically   when actually the intent is to awaken. If you've ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in a life-supportive way has nuances: in CC, one doesn't act in a way that harms one's

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Different states of consciousness may lead to different levels of ethics. MMY's point about an enlightened person behaving in a life-supportive way has

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: The TMO has always related higher levels of consciousness with increased moral behavior, but the research is pretty weak in this area. Have you actually leafed through the journals to review research on TM and moral behavior, Peter? I somehow got the impression the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Peter
--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: The TMO has always related higher levels of consciousness with increased moral behavior, but the research is pretty weak in this area. Have you actually leafed through the journals to review research on TM and moral

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/27/05 9:13 AM, markmeredith2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked closely with mmy. A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp, headed up by former personal secretaries John Cowhig and his buddy and by tm-sidhis

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Vaj
On Dec 27, 2005, at 10:13 AM, markmeredith2002 wrote: It's also how it seems to be done everywhere by tmers who have worked closely with mmy.  A recent example in Canada being Governors Corp, headed up by former personal secretaries John Cowhig and his buddy and by tm-sidhis administrator greg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Peter wrote: I'd have to look at it again. But I remember whenever I looked at it I was always bothered by some aspects of it. Do you have a reference? Unfortunately, no. I spent some time Googling but couldn't find a study you could read on the web. (I seldom find studies I can

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-27 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Peter wrote: The TMO has always related higher levels of consciousness with increased moral behavior, but the research is pretty weak in this area.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-26 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 11:41 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ethics won't get you Enlightened. But without Ethics you will not get

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-26 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ethics won't get you Enlightened. But without Ethics you will not get Enlightened. Want to know why? The happy dream of Samsara: feeling good by doing good. The Nightmare: hurting ourselves by hurting others. It's our

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 4:14 PM, Alex Stanley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ethics won't get you Enlightened. But without Ethics you will not get Enlightened. Want to know why? The happy dream of Samsara: feeling good by doing good.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-26 Thread Vaj
On Dec 26, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:I can well imagine the possibility that an enlightened person could then go on to act unethically, since the flavor of the dualistic dream state becomes a whole lot less relevant (or, even completely irrelevant?) In Ken's parlance, 'acting

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ethics is a requirement for Enlightenment

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 26, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: I can well imagine the possibility that an enlightened person could then go on to act unethically, since the flavor of the dualistic dream state becomes a whole lot