--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
wrote:
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Premanand wrote:
>
> > The quote I offered very definitely came from
> > Maharishi on 8th July 1971. You can a copy of
> > << 19710708_Amherst_2_MMY_on_GuruDev >> at:-
http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/Lectures
When he wrote this post on Thursday, Barry was
still smarting mightily from being caught in one
mistake after another in a Tuesday post designed
to show off his tech savvy (and, not incidentally,
to demean mine).
So what does this paragon of spirituality, who
lectures us all constantly on our bad
On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Premanand wrote:
The quote I offered very definitely came from Maharishi on 8th July
1971. You can a copy of << 19710708_Amherst_2_MMY_on_GuruDev >> at:-
http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/LecturesMMYPage1971.html
The quote appears between 00:21:00 and 00:22:30
The quote I offered very definitely came from Maharishi on 8th July 1971. You
can a copy of << 19710708_Amherst_2_MMY_on_GuruDev >> at:-
http://www.spiritualregeneration.org/LecturesMMYPage1971.html
The quote appears between 00:21:00 and 00:22:30
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > What those who suggest one's experiences are based
> > on descriptions in a book or on what "MMY says"
> > don't understand is that there's no way one can
> > manufacture the ex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> Take the siddhi course, do you remember the amount of people
> that had experiences of the siddhis being taught that day
> that exactly fitted the lecture we'd just recieved by
> Marshy? (and when we were in a very suggestible post meditative
Right, that's because the Divine Mother knew MMY would not attach Divine Mother
devotion (in any form - Kali, Durga, etc...) to TM; and therefore his mission
would fail.
It's obvious from just reading the chapter in Swami Rama's book that SBS was a
Sri Vidya practitioner (and coupled with other
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> > in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Seeing as TM and the TMO pr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand" wrote:
>
> Giving a little more thought to the authorisation issue. I am pretty certain
> Maharishi never claimed Guru Dev authorised him to teach meditation, it was
> Maharishi's uncle, Raj Varma, who claimed that. Yet Maharishi and his
> mov
Vaj, as I recall the quotes you are referring to uses the word 'blessing' and
possibly 'inspiration'.
The closest Maharishi seems to have come to suggesting that the teaching was
authorised by Guru Dev is contained in the following quotation:-
'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime,
On Oct 30, 2009, at 5:29 AM, Premanand wrote:
Giving a little more thought to the authorisation issue. I am
pretty certain Maharishi never claimed Guru Dev authorised him to
teach meditation, it was Maharishi's uncle, Raj Varma, who claimed
that. Yet Maharishi and his movement assume the r
Giving a little more thought to the authorisation issue. I am pretty certain
Maharishi never claimed Guru Dev authorised him to teach meditation, it was
Maharishi's uncle, Raj Varma, who claimed that. Yet Maharishi and his movement
assume the right to decide who and who cannot teach this meditat
On Oct 28, 2009, at 9:53 AM, raunchydog wrote:
O.K. I'll bite. Who are the traditional Hindu yogis you're talking
about that supposedly have a fuller definition of CC hallmarks than
than Maharishi? Exactly what would a fuller definition be and
exactly what hallmarks are you talking about? H
On Oct 28, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Hugo wrote:
> As I've said numerous times before, what's very noticeable in TMers
> is their experience of "enlightenment" never strays beyond what they
> were told or taught.
Interesting, I did have a series of experiences that were
exactly like those described i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> >
> > > The words Maharishi found to describe the seven
> > > states of consciousness presented a simple,
> > >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> >
> > > The words Maharishi found to describe the seven
> > > states of consciousness presented a simple,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> > The words Maharishi found to describe the seven
> > states of consciousness presented a simple,
> > understandable paradigm. His purpose was to
> > provide a road map
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> >
> > Interesting, I did have a series of experiences that were
> > exactly like those described in the seven states lecture.
> > I would like to have know if I would've had them
yifuxero wrote:
> ...the criteria point to one necessary ingredient:
> Silence; but is that a sufficient list? Not so if
> one compares the list to some other traditions,
> say the Kashmir Saivism of Muktananda, or Lakshmanjoo...
>
Bhairava Tantra, translated by Swami by Laksmanjoo:
19. Intone
Right...; the different pov's here amount to :
a. broad brushstrokes of what the higher states of Consciousness amount to, and
the criteria used to identify those states,
...that are 1. Necessary and 2. sufficient.
b. (point of several people); not making the criteria so specific in that there
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> Maharishi would never set on group of experiences...of say,
> beginning GC in contradiction to another, never ! He let
> life take it's natural cause knowing that the tendencies,
> and thus experiences, of individuals approaching Go
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote:
>
> ok...; the criteria point to one necessary ingredient: Silence; but is that a
> sufficient list?
> Not so if one compares the list to some other traditions, say the Kashmir
> Saivism of Muktananda, or Lakshmanjoo, or Sant Mat.
> Swami
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote:
>
> true...!; but could be a roadmap for people yearning to know where they are
> going if he had given more details about the road.
> For example, one can say: "given more experience with TM, a. one can
> "transcend" for longer periods
ok...; the criteria point to one necessary ingredient: Silence; but is that a
sufficient list?
Not so if one compares the list to some other traditions, say the Kashmir
Saivism of Muktananda, or Lakshmanjoo, or Sant Mat.
Swami Muktananda emphasizes the importance of a particular subtle vision, th
true...!; but could be a roadmap for people yearning to know where they are
going if he had given more details about the road.
For example, one can say: "given more experience with TM, a. one can
"transcend" for longer periods of time; and b. one can entertain sensory
experiences and thoughts a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
> The words Maharishi found to describe the seven
> states of consciousness presented a simple,
> understandable paradigm. His purpose was to
> provide a road map to help you recognize the
> signs of enlightenment, validate your experienc
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote:
>
> O.K. I'll bite. Who are the traditional Hindu yogis you're talking about that
> supposedly have a fuller definition of CC hallmarks than than Maharishi?
> Exactly what would a fuller definition be and exactly what hallmarks are you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> Interesting, I did have a series of experiences that were
> exactly like those described in the seven states lecture.
> I would like to have know if I would've had them without
> first reading the TM books. It was very convincing and
> extr
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Vaj wrote:
> 20 POINTS - EXPERIENTIAL CRITERIA OF C.C.
>
>
>
>
Hmm. Describing me more and more. In the past was flash. What's seeping
in now is intimate and very real.
This checklist reads like a list of how to disqualify someone from working
in the TMO (as
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Hugo wrote:
>
> > I always thought it was so much more than a relaxation technique
> > that I used to wonder who they were trying to kid, maybe for most
> > it *is* much like napping. But I remember getting muc
> > If you happened to learn about "CC" from a
> > more traditional Hindu yogi, you find a fuller
> > definition and those hallmarks I have yet to
> > see any TMers even mention them.
> >
rd wrote:
> O.K. I'll bite. Who are the traditional Hindu
> yogis you're talking about that supposedly have
> a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Hugo wrote:
>
> > I always thought it was so much more than a relaxation technique
> > that I used to wonder who they were trying to kid, maybe for most
> > it *is* much like napping. But I remember getting muc
TurquoiseB wrote:
> It would take a check for ten million for me
> to endure "going to the Domes" and a hundred
> million to get me to put on a Raja costume...
>
Yeah, but you in fact paid good money out of your
own pocket to put up posters advertising the
'Zen Master Rama'. You must have donated t
On Oct 28, 2009, at 5:13 AM, Hugo wrote:
I always thought it was so much more than a relaxation technique
that I used to wonder who they were trying to kid, maybe for most
it *is* much like napping. But I remember getting much more out
of it, in fact Rick's friends remind me of the old me in a
On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:36 PM, raunchydog wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> You might want to hold off for now. We haven't seen their
> Enlightenment Report Cards yet. They might claim that the "deep
rest"
> of TM was responsible, but last I heard, TM was only about
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> > >
> > > Watching it now, sounds interesting. Maybe I should get a check
> > > and get back on the prog. Waddya think?
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> >
> > Watching it now, sounds interesting. Maybe I should get a check
> > and get back on the prog. Waddya think?
>
> Heck, if I could get a check *I* would get
> back on the TM pr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Hugo wrote:
>
> > > > Rick posted links to video of one couple, with more to come, as
> > part
> > > > of a vodcast called "Awakenings". Didn't you get to watch it yet?
> >
> > Watching it now, sounds interes
> "Buddhism" is a stagnated religion obsessed with "authority" just like all
> the other major religions.
>
Cough, cough, umm, pause, and wait for Nabby to realize what he's just written
( whilst trying not to burst out laughing).
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" wrote:
> Was Mozart 'Authorized to Compose Music?'
> Was Einstein 'Authorized to E=MC squared?'
> Was Ben Franklin 'Authorized to fly a Kite?'
>
> You folks are too hung up on 'Authority'...
>
> I'm not!
>
> R.J.G.
"Buddhism" is a stagnated re
(snip)
> Have you been suckered by the TMO's *assump-
> tion* that he was authorized to teach by his
> own teacher? He would never have been by the
> Shankaracharya lineage of which Guru Dev was
> a part, because he was the wrong caste.
>
> Maybe Paul Mason can clear this up for us...
>
Was Moz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> You might want to hold off for now. We haven't seen their
> Enlightenment Report Cards yet. They might claim that the "deep rest"
> of TM was responsible, but last I heard, TM was only about 1 or 2%
> different from napping, if at all. H
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> Watching it now, sounds interesting. Maybe I should get a check
> and get back on the prog. Waddya think?
Heck, if I could get a check *I* would get
back on the TM program.
Make it out to me for a million bucks and
I'm there. :-)
On Oct 27, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Hugo wrote:
> > Rick posted links to video of one couple, with more to come, as
part
> > of a vodcast called "Awakenings". Didn't you get to watch it yet?
Watching it now, sounds interesting. Maybe I should get a check
and get back on the prog. Waddya think?
Y
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Hugo wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In
Did Guru Dev authorise Maharishi to teach?
Certainly it appears that both the ashram's sannyasi's and the brahmachari's
were involved in checking people's japa & dhyana by the time Guru Dev was in
Lucknow in 1952, as reported in Guru Dev's Hindi biography (Maharishi was of
course a brahmachari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Hugo wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > >
> > > Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> > > in TM
On Oct 27, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Hugo wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo"
wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> > in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >
> > Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> > in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Seeing as TM and the TMO pr
TurquoiseB wrote:
> First, I don't agree that there is such
> a thing as "knowledge." :-)
.
That you "know" about. :-)
> In the world of spirituality,
>
You don't believe in 'knowledge', but you
believe in 'spirits'? So, how do you 'know'
that there are spirits in the world? Have
you seen or ta
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"
> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> > > wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > > The TM o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
> >
> > Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> > in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
>
> Perhaps the main reason some of them are
> here is the constant amusem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> > wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> > > The TM organization cannot do this. It will
> > > continue doing the same old same ol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
[snip]
>
> Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
[snip]
Seeing as TM and the TMO promises nothing less than full mental potential (ie,
enlightenment), it's not much of a negati
TurquoiseB wrote:
> Have you been suckered by the TMO's *assump-
> tion* that he was authorized to teach by his
> own teacher? He would never have been by the
> Shankaracharya lineage of which Guru Dev was
> a part, because he was the wrong caste.
>
> Maybe Paul Mason can clear this up for us...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > The TM organization cannot do this. It will
> > continue doing the same old same old because
> > it is completely locked into the revering of a
> > teacher who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > The TM organization cannot do this. It will
> > continue doing the same old same old because
> > it is completely locked into the revering of a
> > teacher who w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
[snip]
> The TM organization cannot do this. It will
> continue doing the same old same old because
> it is completely locked into the revering of a
> teacher who was never authorized to teach
[snip]
So, what is the kind of "Authority
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > I read some of the comments at the site where the
> > entire letter has been published. They appear to mostly
> > be from Scientologists who are still involved and loyal,
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
> Listening to those who suggest that a stopper can
> be found to block up that drain and save the TMO
> is laughable. They just haven't been paying
> attention.
It's amazing to observe that someone who was kicked out of the TMO MORE
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote:
>
> Or perhaps the former TMers here have lost all faith
> in TM being able to deliver on its claims?
Perhaps the main reason some of them are
here is the constant amusement of watching
people who -- after 30+ years -- are still
gullible enough
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> I read some of the comments at the site where the
> entire letter has been published. They appear to mostly
> be from Scientologists who are still involved and loyal,
> but they're denouncing some of the people at the top who
> have b
I read some of the comments at the site where the
entire letter has been published. They appear to mostly
be from Scientologists who are still involved and loyal,
but they're denouncing some of the people at the top who
have been taking things in what they feel is the wrong
direction.
Interesting
There's something not right about this defection happening now.
Haggis has been a member for 35 years? And only now these sorts of revelations
have come to his attention?
Come on. Much, much worse has been seeping out of Scientology for years and
even before the internet if one wanted to they
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