[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote snip In his view almost every romantic relationship was initiated by women, and most of the time involved them using their occult

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting QA session, interesting question. For what it's worth, Rama (Frederick Lenz) used to give a very strong talk entitled, Why don't more women attain enlightenment? A strong part of his focus was on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: *Because of* the need to attract a man to support them, (in Rama's view) women attained a higher proficiency with the occult arts than men did.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: *Because of* the need to attract a man to support them, (in Rama's view)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: *Because of* the need to attract a man to support them, (in Rama's view) women

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
Just curiously, would mini-siddhis and occult abilities include, say, the release of pheromones? Possibly, but that's not what I'm talking about. It's more like lines of power emanating from person who can to this. These lines are actually *visible* when you've been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread curtisdeltablues
Turq, This may fall into a category of experiences that you have had that I have not. It seems like this kind of energy power might get you to look at someone, but attraction seems so much more complex to me. Each age group and stage of life seems to join the party with a different agenda and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, This may fall into a category of experiences that you have had that I have not. Possibly. It seems like this kind of energy power might get you to look at someone, but attraction seems so much more

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 18, 2007, at 12:58 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: I agree with you that real attraction is probably very complex, but this is pretty simple. It's not anything you do to *yourself* to make yourself look more attractive. It's something that you do to the other person, to shift them into a state of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not anything you do to *yourself* to make yourself look more attractive. It's something that you do to the other person, to shift them into a state of attention in which they find you more attrac- tive. So they

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
Interesting QA session, interesting question. For what it's worth, Rama (Frederick Lenz) used to give a very strong talk entitled, Why don't more women attain enlightenment? A strong part of his focus was on the enlightenment of women, and he had some equally strong opinions on the subject. I'll

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread llundrub
an issue. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist? Interesting QA session, interesting question. For what it's worth, Rama (Frederick Lenz

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fuck Lenz RIP, no offense intended but he was less than a nobody because he just baffled you fuckers with bullshit which none of you can get out of your mind as if that illusion made some bit of difference. Not had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting QA session, interesting question. For what it's worth, Rama (Frederick Lenz) used to give a very strong talk entitled, Why don't more women attain enlightenment? A strong part of his focus was on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread curtisdeltablues
Borat definitively settled this question with his cultural wisdom from Kazakhstan's laws of nature. We say in Kazakhstan, You find me woman with brain, I find you a horse with...Wings. He also has quoted scientific research done in his country proving that a woman's brain is smaller than a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, llundrub llundrub@ wrote: Fuck Lenz RIP, no offense intended but he was less than a nobody because he just baffled you fuckers with bullshit which none of you can get out of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as having achieved enlightenment is not because so few women actually achieved enlightenment, but rather because so few who did were noted as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lenz may have been perceptive about some areas of psychology regarding men and women. However, I've read some things about him and his seduction of women under the guise of helping them spiritually that were

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as having achieved enlightenment is not because so few women actually

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as having achieved enlightenment is not because so few women actually

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Your perception that any of the Tibetan Buddhists on the group with the exception of Llundrub reacted the way you claim is as flawed as your perception of Lenz killing himself out of guilt. Vaj and I merely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Your perception that any of the Tibetan Buddhists on the group with the exception of Llundrub reacted the way you claim is as flawed as your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I should add that in a hypothetical matriarchal society whose records were written by women, it would probably appear that there were very few

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Marek Reavis
Hey, Sparaig, what is the background on the moniker, Sparaig? Sparrow is cool and seemingly related to Sparaig, but I've always been puzzled by it. If you don't mind my asking, that is. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Sparaig, what is the background on the moniker, Sparaig? Sparrow is cool and seemingly related to Sparaig, but I've always been puzzled by it. If you don't mind my asking, that is. Marek Sparrow was short

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Your perception that any of the Tibetan Buddhists on the group with the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Marek Reavis
Very nice, thanks. When I was in high school I was so taken with Tolkien and Middle Earth and the whole cast of characters that populated it that I was determined to name the first two children I fathered after Frodo's two friends, Meriodac (Merry) and Pippin. Luckily enough for my two

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry, you're far and away the most consistently uptight person on this forum. You simply cannot tolerate disagreement with your views. Yeah, right, Judy. Like the discussion over wine I had with Curtis the other day,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice, thanks. When I was in high school I was so taken with Tolkien and Middle Earth and the whole cast of characters that populated it that I was determined to name the first two children I fathered after

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, don't forget the insinuations of 'bad ju-ju' coming our way when we criticize him. I think he said something like I could continue my criticism of his religion, but beware the consequences, much as he said to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd wonder whether the reason so few women are in the historical record as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry, you're far and away the most consistently uptight person on this forum. You simply cannot tolerate disagreement with your views. Yeah,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Also, don't forget the insinuations of 'bad ju-ju' coming our way when we criticize him. I think he said something like I could continue my

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: snip He referred to me as an 'obsessive fuck', which then becomes merely corrected a few of your inaccurate statements. LOL! The term was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Also, don't forget the insinuations of 'bad ju-ju' coming our way

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry, you're far and away the most consistently uptight person on this forum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** Luckily enough for my two children that sankalpa had faded by the time of their arrival. They still got stuck with odd names, though, just not Middle Earth ones. Not as odd as Moon Unit and Dweezil, I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:16 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice, thanks. When I was in high school I was so taken with Tolkien and Middle Earth and the whole cast of characters that populated it that I was determined to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Marek Reavis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** Not as odd as Moon Unit and Dweezil, I hope. That's what Frank Zappa named his kids. :-) Moon dropped the second part of her name--makes it much nicer. But if you think those are awful, you ought to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Vaj
On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Moon dropped the second part of her name--makes it much nicer. But if you think those are awful, you ought to hear some of the Vedic concoctions some TM people have come up with. Shaniquah Shakti?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Vaj wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Moon dropped the second part of her name--makes it much nicer.  But if  you think those are awful, you ought to hear some of the Vedic  concoctions some TM people  have come up with. Shaniquah

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: **snip** Not as odd as Moon Unit and Dweezil, I hope. That's what Frank Zappa named his kids. :-) Moon dropped the second part of her name--makes it much nicer.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Sal Sunshine
On Jan 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: Uh-oh, Sal, I may be an offender. Any examples you could share? See my message to Vaj. Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread Marek Reavis
You're right, of course, Sal. Just curious. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 17, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Marek Reavis wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: **snip** Not as odd as Moon

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Also, don't forget the insinuations of 'bad ju-ju' coming our way when

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: Barry,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread llundrub
I've seen Lenz in person. Jim knows next to shoe leather about TB. - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist? --- In FairfieldLife

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread llundrub
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist? Borat definitively settled this question with his cultural wisdom from Kazakhstan's laws of nature. We say in Kazakhstan, You find me woman with brain, I find you a horse with...Wings. He also has quoted scientific research done in his

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist? (or just cosmic debris)

2007-01-17 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Since someone brought up Zappa, he of course wrote this song after a brief encounter with Chimnoy who I believe Zappa met via Jean-Luc Ponty's Mahavishnu Orchestra connections. Jim gordon (drums) John guerin (drums) Aynsley dunbar (drums) Ralph humphrey (drums) Jack bruce (bass) Erroneous

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote snip In his view almost every romantic relationship was initiated by women, and most of the time involved them using their occult abilities to (at the very least) attract the man' s attention and get him to focus on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is enlightenment sexist?

2007-01-17 Thread llundrub
Somebody's getting his buttons pushed. Na na na na na na. lurk ---yep, caught that one right before it left my mind forever. thanks for remembering.