--- On Sun, 8/15/10, wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: M version and others
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 8:23 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
emptybill emptyb...@... wrote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
--- On Sun, 8/15/10, wgm4u wg...@... wrote:
From: wgm4u wg...@...
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: M version and others
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 8:23 PM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
cardemaister:
A.C's reading is otherwise odd
Swami Bhaktivedanta, a Vedantin, enumerates the
five classical states of consciousness which are
similar to M's:
1. Wakefulness (jagrat)
2. Dream state (svapna)
3.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
I get a ideo-dynamic conditioned headache just reading that! You can't
penetrate anything--you naughty boy you ..ups. Chakra girl?
..
As ol' Charlie used to say, You can't storm the gates of heaven!and
Don't teach your
--- On Mon, 8/16/10, wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: wgm4u wg...@yahoo.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: M version and others
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 7:36 AM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote
wgm4u:
Same as Yogananda:
According Vaj, MMY 'made up' the 'seven states of
consciousness'.
Now we see that MMY's seven states schema is almost
the same as Wilber, Swami Bhaktivedanta, Swami Rama,
and Swami Yogananda, and the Vijnanavada, Sri Vidya,
and Trika systems. Apparently Vaj, in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutp...@... wrote:
Actually hard to know what those old school guys actually
taught unless you were there...back in the day!
What makes you think it would have been any
easier if you had been?
--- infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
Actually hard to know what those old school
guys actually taught unless you were there ...
back in the day!
--- infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
What makes you think it would have been any
rightI'm still waiting for Vaj to present some evidence showing how his
Guru (Norbu Rinpoche)'s metaphysics is somehow beyond what MMY has elucidated
in his scheme of the 7 states of Consciousness.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
wgm4u:
Same as
Thanks. this is the Phuket mantra: uAhem phukoff phukoff anritam phat phat!
...
as it has turned out, just yesterday a US Marine was in a bar in Phuket,
Thailand and challenged to a fight by a Brit kick-boxer who killed the Marine
for no apparent reason with multiple stabbings.
So go figure!.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
Thanks. this is the Phuket mantra: uAhem phukoff phukoff anritam
phat phat!
...
as it has turned out, just yesterday a US Marine was in a bar
in Phuket, Thailand and challenged to a fight by a Brit kick-
boxer who killed
Yep, you're wright. I jus' din' memeber it the same.
I went back an saw that he really gave it as:
Ahem phukit phukit anritam wah tuh phuk haha!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifuxero@ wrote:
Thanks.
Naah, you amateurs are mixing up amritam with amukam the first being the
heart and the latter a word you replace with the name of the target. So
it would be:
Om phukit phukit amukam me hoong phat swaha. ;-)
emptybill wrote:
Yep, you're wright. I jus' din' memeber it the same.
I went back an
Well done! This reveals possible dangers in using mispronounced or wrong words
in mantras; so a lesson to the wise.
This Australian psychic was looking for a little girl (having had some visions
of the whereabouts of a body); but instead found the headless corpse of a woman
in her 30's. Such
Actually hard to know what those old school
guys actually taught unless you were there...
back in the day!
TurquoiseB:
What makes you think it would have been any
easier if you had been?
Because you wouldn't have to read about them in
books or on the internet long after they are
MMY BG CH4 V14 Commentary ...knowledge of the essential nature of the divine
Being, personified by Lord Krishna, who is beyond the relative and the
Absolute, beyond the Unity of Being and the diversity of creation, but holds
within Himself the fullness of both.
--- In
jeff:
MMY BG CH4 V14 Commentary...
Lord Krishna is the 'Transcendental Person',
mentioned in Bhagavad Gita. That means that
He is beyond, or transcendental to, phenomenon
- the relative world of change. So, since
Krishna is the Absolute, he is in fact
'indescribablly different', (Acyenta
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jeff.evans60 jeff.evan...@... wrote:
MMY BG CH4 V14 Commentary ...knowledge of the essential nature of the
divine Being, personified by Lord Krishna, who is beyond the relative and the
Absolute, beyond the Unity of Being and the diversity of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV7zBvfc2mQfeature=related
Ariel is the youngest of King Triton's seven daughters. She is shown as being
adventurous and curious about the world of humans, a fascination which angers
her father as merfolk are forbidden from making contact with the human world.
The essential triune nature of Being is easily understood by the analogy of the
crystal ball. A blue crystal ball exposed to the Sun reflects the light of the
sun, which is now blue light being modified by the color of the crystal, the
blue reflected light within this crystal ball is Krishna,
wgm4u:
Purman adah, Purnam idam
Om ! That (world) is a complete whole.
This (world) too is a complete whole.
From the complete whole only, the (other)
complete whole rose. Even after removing
the complete whole from the (other)
complete whole, still the complete whole
remains unaltered
very good, consistent with what Muktananda (and his disciple Master Charlnes
Cannon); and Adi Da say.
...with one minor exception: Adi Da mentions the Blue field of the Cosmic
Mandala and doesn't go into Personalities such as Krishna, Jesus, etc.
Muktananda specifically mentions seeing the Blue
In Yogananada's kriya line this is the cosmic mandala. When you
penetrate the different bindu-s, your consciousness transits into that
loka. However you have to have good dharana. You can't just project your
imagination, gossip with the masters and call it a day.
The golden-yellow is the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
very good, consistent with what Muktananda (and his disciple Master Charlnes
Cannon); and Adi Da say.
...with one minor exception: Adi Da mentions the Blue field of the Cosmic
Mandala and doesn't go into Personalities such
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
In Yogananada's kriya line this is the cosmic mandala. When you
penetrate the different bindu-s, your consciousness transits into that
loka. However you have to have good dharana. You can't just project your
imagination,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Don't you just hate those fukin' Latinos!
Hater.
Usted señor no son caballero.
¿Ve cuán estúpido es?
Texican pfrases such as y'all, chicken
fried, and messcan.
Don't you just hate those fukin' Latinos!
azgrey:
Usted señor no son caballero...
Are you mescan? You're not making any sense.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
FWIW:
anaadimatparaM brahma
Shankara: *anaadimat* paraM brahma
A.C: anaadi *matparaM* brahma
IOW, the author of the Giitaa seems to have been
a bit, well, mischievous: Shankara's reading is grammatically
a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW:
anaadimatparaM brahma
Shankara: *anaadimat* paraM brahma
A.C: anaadi *matparaM* brahma
IOW, the author of the Giitaa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
FWIW:
anaadimatparaM brahma
Shankara: *anaadimat*
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister
Card,
Who has time to search out a quote without full attribution - other than
you? If you want to quote text then at least give the chapter.
Who keeps a copy of As-It-Is around except Hari K. or raw beginners who
got their copy at the airport in 1976?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
cardemaister:
A.C's reading is otherwise odd
Swami Bhaktivedanta, a Vedantin, enumerates the
five classical states of consciousness which are
similar to M's:
1. Wakefulness (jagrat)
2. Dream state (svapna)
3. Deep sleep (sushupti)
4. Superconscious state (turiya)
5. Transcendent state
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
Card,
Who has time to search out a quote without full attribution - other than
you? If you want to quote text then at least give the chapter.
Who keeps a copy of As-It-Is around except Hari K. or raw beginners who
got
emptybill:
Who has time to search out a quote without
full attribution - other than you? If you
want to quote text then at least give the
chapter.
You didn't cite any sources for your
essay on Yogavasitha. Card already said he
was reading from A.C.'s 'Bhagavad Gita As It
Is', a copy
Who keeps a copy of As-It-Is around except
Hari K. or raw beginners who got their copy
at the airport in 1976?
cardemaister:
I think everyone, even down in Texas, should
have a copy of it!
It would be more likely for someone 'down in
Texas' to have a copy, than up in Finland!
So!
You even admit you are an informant! My buddy the former narc
didn't work in Texas so you couldn't be one of his. Did you find another
source for some straight cash on the side? Do you have to wear a cowboy
hat to play your part?
Left is right and right is wrong.
--- In
right, of course. It's true that AC Bhaktivedanta put Krishna first, ahead of
the impersonal Absolute. That's why I discard his teachings as being false,
along with that other dualist from Barsana Dham. But one can choose to retain
a copy of false teachings, since there's plenty of that in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero yifux...@... wrote:
right, of course. It's true that AC Bhaktivedanta put Krishna first, ahead
of the impersonal Absolute. That's why I discard his teachings as being
false, along with that other dualist from Barsana Dham. But one can
emptybill:
You even admit you are an informant!
It's 'informant' in the sense of those
that INFORM, rather than come here to
simply pick a cat fight. I hope you're
not falling into the latter, because
you seem to have something important
to share.
My buddy the former narc didn't work
in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
Who keeps a copy of As-It-Is around except
Hari K. or raw beginners who got their copy
at the airport in 1976?
cardemaister:
I think everyone, even down in Texas, should
have a copy of it!
It would
That's becuase here in Texas we have numerous
ISKCON Temples and other Vaishnava seats of
learning where people can actually study these
ideas and put them into practice, instead of
just reading them in a book...
azgrey:
Plus which, Sanskrit is the only language capable
of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:
there was a discussion of Batgap among 3-4 participants who were
discussing their sustained experiences of Krishna Consciousness --
beyond BC,
I can just see it now. I see your Cosmic Consciousness, and raise you
to God
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sun...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@ wrote:
there was a discussion of Batgap among 3-4 participants who were
discussing their sustained experiences of Krishna Consciousness --
beyond BC,
I can
Bhaktivedanta's contentions were standard Gaudiya ideological
propaganda.
These Gauda descriptions of Brahma-Jyotih are really just like
descriptions of insentient pradhaana, only not independent like in
Sankhya but totally dependent. This is why they must ascribe insentience
to Brahman itself,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
Bhaktivedanta's contentions were standard Gaudiya ideological
propaganda.
These Gauda descriptions of Brahma-Jyotih are really just like
descriptions of insentient pradhaana, only not independent like in
Sankhya but
thats in line with what Maharishi said, but he used the words Krishna
Consciousness. (just to confu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
Tart!
I forgot to add:
Just to confuse even more, Madhusuudhana's version of stages asserts
that Bhagavan-Chaitanya is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote:
Tart!
I forgot to add:
Just to confuse even more, Madhusuudhana's version of stages asserts
that Bhagavan-Chaitanya is beyond Brahma-Chaitanya (i.e. Unity).
Heh, Heh.
That kind of fits -- the Totality of Bhagavan
Right...precisely what the Hare Krishna Guru proclaimed. If you look at his
works, his translated Skt into English uses words such as Effulgence: (i.e.
the impersonal Absolute is an Effulgence or Light of Krishna.).
But imo - that doesn't make sense. Then in countless verses of the BG and
yifuxero:
But then, the Krishna dualists (of course) proclaim
that Krishna is the supreme Advaita Vedanta...
The Gaudiya Vaishnava sect is monotheistic, and
transcendental, based on the Vedanta. You are
incorrect about them being 'dualists'. They do not
proclaim the Advaita but follow the
emptybill:
emptybill@ Bhagavan-Chaitanya is beyond
Brahma-Chaitanya (i.e. Unity).
tartbrain:
...there was a discussion of Batgap among 3-4
participants who were discussing their sustained
experiences of Krishna Consciousness...
The Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe that consciousness
is
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