[FairfieldLife] Just Wondering: Whatever Happened to Judy, Ann, Sunshine, and S3?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I haven't seen their posts lately.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just Wondering: Whatever Happened to Judy, Ann, Sunshine, and S3?

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

Perhaps they shouldn't worry: amongst others, Baba Vanga, the bulgarian blind 
mystic, or whatever, is claimed to have  predicted (before 1997?) that the 44th 
US president shall be black, and the last one. So, there shall be no Trump 
presidency??

[FairfieldLife] Should Clinton Challenge Election Results?

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Time is running out.  She should act now.
 

 Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing 
States 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?li=BBmkt5R=spartanntp
 
 
 
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?li=BBmkt5R=spartanntp
 
 
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 A group of computer scientists and lawyers claim there are irregularities in 
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Transcendentalism lost the battle

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

vs. form-ism, the battling clearly continues on.  From generation to generation 
it is transcendentalists providing the spiritual commentary and antidote to 
materialism.  
 

 I am seeing this generational attending happening right now here in the 
Millennial Center, in downtown Detroit even tonight. 
 

 Ammachi is in Detroit having public programs and a several day retreat this 
week. (amma.org )
 

Yesterday at the public darshan program here in Detroit you could see quite a 
large flow of Gen-X coming in with their small kids. It was spectacular to see 
their colorful diversity in seeming ‘spiritual but not religious’ demographic. 

 A Transcendentalism coupling with the new culture of rapid media in the 
post-modern evidently is outflanking religious formalism in an undoing of 
church-attending America. There seems generational changes fast upon this. It 
is getting clear the baby-boomer is clocking out. The WWII generation is mostly 
gone. Gen-X is having families and millennials getting their education are 
coming along. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism, of that unified field transcendent described variously in 
culture (for instance..):
 

 Any time your consciousness is attuned to divine realization, Christ will take 
birth anew in the cradle of your awakened soul perceptions.  Coming out of the 
secret fastnesses of nature, the Omnipresent Christ reveals to you the wonders 
of infinite love and wisdom.  -Paramahansa Yogananda 

 

 Yifuxero writes:

 

 Thx for posting the article on Lynch.  I have the hard copy in front of me.
 On the ongoing battle between Quietism and Fundamentalist belief systems, the 
Quietists (historically since the first century CE, Gnosticism) initially lost 
as long as fundamentalist religions were in power in Europe, and that timespan 
was from Emperor Constantine into the Age Of Enlightenment when (for example), 
French patriots literally burned down the Catholic Churches.  But such battles 
continued well into the 20th century for example in Mexico during the 20's, 
with Catholic Priests persecuted.
 Therefore (at least in the West), and by no means discussing the East, 
inroads by Quietism had to wait until the grip of Fundamentalism finally began 
to wane.
 Unfortunately, Quietism in the US (as exemplified by Emerson and Thoreau) took 
a heavy beating when the efforts of the Wesley brothers (late 18-th century) 
panned out with Methodist missionaries spreading their dogma all throughout the 
country on all levels including the American Indians.  Where were the Quietist 
missionaries?
 As stated before, the trend toward scientific materialism after Newton also 
doomed Quietism from the "left" (liberal humanitarianism, coupled with 
materialism and scientism)  This occurred even though Newton himself was a 
probable Quietist though he kept it a secret lest he offend the Anglican 
Church. After all, if he wanted to maintain his position as the Chancellor the 
Exchequer, advertising himself as a "Quietist" wouldn't go over very well!
 Ironically, by the 20th century, it was science attacking from the left (via 
Planck and Einstein, then the Quantum pioneers), that facilitated the crumbling 
of the stranglehold of Evangelical Christianity on the upper crust of American 
society at least in NY and Chicago.
 The bottom line in this part of the discussion is that the introduction of 
Quietism into American culture depended on a strange ally:  scientific 
materialism.  How weird!  For this and other reasons, I strongly object to the 
notion that "Spirituality" is defined solely on the basis of the Transcendent 
and Quietist practices.
 Also during the 19-th century we have several other unplanned alliesthat 
assisted in undermining the grip of Fundamentalist theology..  The first would 
of course be the works of Darwin and others, as well as the social Darwinists 
such as Spencer who from the UK popularized the notion that constructive 
changes can occur even without the assistance of the input of theologians.  
Second, there were other giants of civilization in the 19-th century that  
although were not Quietists, - a case can be made that the long term success of 
the Quietist movement depends somewhat on their success:  1. Vanderbilt in 
railroads, 2. Rockefeller in oil, 3. Carnegie in steel, and JP Morgan in 
finance and helping to develop the first electrical grid based on the 
discoveries of Tesla.
 To make a long story short, by way of example: if there ever will be a Museum 
of Quietism, these Titans of Industry, as well as the physicists, social 
engineers, humanitarians, and others laid the groundwork for people like 
Yogananda and MMY to eventually (after THOUSANDS of years!) to finally converge 
to a time and place where all of the finest qualities of each type of Movement 
work hand in hand in a complementary fashion.
 As another example, even though in 1975 the TM Movement started to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Transcendentalism lost the battle

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Transcendentalism, of that unified field transcendent described variously in 
culture:
 

 Any time your consciousness is attuned to divine realization, Christ will take 
birth anew in the cradle of your awakened soul perceptions.  Coming out of the 
secret fastnesses of nature, the Omnipresent Christ reveals to you the wonders 
of infinite love and wisdom.  -Paramahansa Yogananda 

 

 Yifuxero writes:

 

 Thx for posting the article on Lynch.  I have the hard copy in front of me.
 On the ongoing battle between Quietism and Fundamentalist belief systems, the 
Quietists (historically since the first century CE, Gnosticism) initially lost 
as long as fundamentalist religions were in power in Europe, and that timespan 
was from Emperor Constantine into the Age Of Enlightenment when (for example), 
French patriots literally burned down the Catholic Churches.  But such battles 
continued well into the 20th century for example in Mexico during the 20's, 
with Catholic Priests persecuted.
 Therefore (at least in the West), and by no means discussing the East, 
inroads by Quietism had to wait until the grip of Fundamentalism finally began 
to wane.
 Unfortunately, Quietism in the US (as exemplified by Emerson and Thoreau) took 
a heavy beating when the efforts of the Wesley brothers (late 18-th century) 
panned out with Methodist missionaries spreading their dogma all throughout the 
country on all levels including the American Indians.  Where were the Quietist 
missionaries?
 As stated before, the trend toward scientific materialism after Newton also 
doomed Quietism from the "left" (liberal humanitarianism, coupled with 
materialism and scientism)  This occurred even though Newton himself was a 
probable Quietist though he kept it a secret lest he offend the Anglican 
Church. After all, if he wanted to maintain his position as the Chancellor the 
Exchequer, advertising himself as a "Quietist" wouldn't go over very well!
 Ironically, by the 20th century, it was science attacking from the left (via 
Planck and Einstein, then the Quantum pioneers), that facilitated the crumbling 
of the stranglehold of Evangelical Christianity on the upper crust of American 
society at least in NY and Chicago.
 The bottom line in this part of the discussion is that the introduction of 
Quietism into American culture depended on a strange ally:  scientific 
materialism.  How weird!  For this and other reasons, I strongly object to the 
notion that "Spirituality" is defined solely on the basis of the Transcendent 
and Quietist practices.
 Also during the 19-th century we have several other unplanned alliesthat 
assisted in undermining the grip of Fundamentalist theology..  The first would 
of course be the works of Darwin and others, as well as the social Darwinists 
such as Spencer who from the UK popularized the notion that constructive 
changes can occur even without the assistance of the input of theologians.  
Second, there were other giants of civilization in the 19-th century that  
although were not Quietists, - a case can be made that the long term success of 
the Quietist movement depends somewhat on their success:  1. Vanderbilt in 
railroads, 2. Rockefeller in oil, 3. Carnegie in steel, and JP Morgan in 
finance and helping to develop the first electrical grid based on the 
discoveries of Tesla.
 To make a long story short, by way of example: if there ever will be a Museum 
of Quietism, these Titans of Industry, as well as the physicists, social 
engineers, humanitarians, and others laid the groundwork for people like 
Yogananda and MMY to eventually (after THOUSANDS of years!) to finally converge 
to a time and place where all of the finest qualities of each type of Movement 
work hand in hand in a complementary fashion.
 As another example, even though in 1975 the TM Movement started to 
dramatically decline in terms of initiations, we can hypothesize that the spark 
of Creative Intelligence simply moved elsewhere.  It moved into IT - first with 
the necessary inventions (many from WWII and afterwards, then to 
microprocessors and INTEL, then to Gates and the PC.
 Last but not least, the Internet and the WWW.
 If "Spirituality" were confined solely to Transcendentalism, we wouldn't even 
be having this discussion: no internet, no computers, no electricity, no 
physics, no microwaves, telephones, airplanes.
 Just try saying these aspects of civilization aren't "spiritual". Can't be 
done.
 Quietism will eventually win the war but probably well after the future Capt. 
James T. Kirk is born in Iowa and gets into the Starfleet Academy. (25-th 
century I believe).
 So, your effects to gather Quietists together will not be in vain. Just wait a 
few centuries to eventually the Quietist Movement snowball.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Observe though that some lost battles in life are not necessarily the war.. 
Press on, oh solders!  In life!  
 

 Thy soul, be on thy guard;
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 11/22/2016 09:23 AM, Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Transcendentalism and Quietism have philosophically at their basis, 
withdrawal.


That is a recessive quality, a retreat, and that cannot stand up to 
more forceful attitudes such as ramming a dogma down someone's throat.


Quietism was condemned as a heresy in the Catholic Church, wrongly 
elevating contemplation over meditation, intellectual stillness over 
vocal prayer, and interior passivity over pious action. (Note the 
words here are used in a different sense than in TM.)


This problem cannot be overcome unless it is realized that 
transcendence and stillness are techniques to expand experience, to 
expand the nature of the mind. They are not ends in themselves, they 
are methods.


Also these methods become objectified. Moving from a state of 
experience not previously known to a state of knowing is a 
transcendence, a going beyond, but just for the moment. Once you have 
the result, it is in hand. It is not transcendent.


Thus it is improper to say you are experiencing "the Transcendent," 
because any state transcendent to what you are experiencing is not 
experienced. Transcendence is a method to get from A to B, a state of 
experience, not a state of objects.


Philosophically maybe but this gets to complicated for the neophyte.  
What I noticed was I stopped "coming out of meditation". IOW saying the 
experience of "the transcendent" in activity is merely a way of 
communicating with other meditators about the experience be it just 
silence in activity.  It is probably easier for them to imagine what 
having that quiet transcendent feeling in activity is like than 
imagining silence in activity (confusing).


Indian gurus have through time simplified terms of the experience as 
much as possible because intellect seemed to have little to do with 
whether one might develop enlightenment or not.  In fact the intellect 
might often be barrier to such develop because one can develop 
expectations that actually don't reflect the experience.  I swear some 
think it's like going to be on LSD all the time and that would not be 
very practical. And intellectualizing about it too much tends to bog 
things down.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I enjoy the clarity in/of your posts.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Transcendentalism and Quietism have philosophically at their basis, 
withdrawal. 
 

 That is a recessive quality, a retreat, and that cannot stand up to more 
forceful attitudes such as ramming a dogma down someone's throat. 
 

 Quietism was condemned as a heresy in the Catholic Church, wrongly elevating 
contemplation over meditation, intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and 
interior passivity over pious action. (Note the words here are used in a 
different sense than in TM.)
 

 This problem cannot be overcome unless it is realized that transcendence and 
stillness are techniques to expand experience, to expand the nature of the 
mind. They are not ends in themselves, they are methods.
 

 Also these methods become objectified. Moving from a state of experience not 
previously known to a state of knowing is a transcendence, a going beyond, but 
just for the moment. Once you have the result, it is in hand. It is not 
transcendent.
 

 Thus it is improper to say you are experiencing "the Transcendent," because 
any state transcendent to what you are experiencing is not experienced. 
Transcendence is a method to get from A to B, a state of experience, not a 
state of objects.
 

 First you just have A. Then B, and finally AB. You are looking for a state of 
experience, not a thing.
 

 In TM this would be A, B (TC), A|B (CC), and AB (UC).
 

 So ultimately transcendence comes to an end because there is no further to go, 
the method, having established a unified experience, no longer has anything to 
do.
 

 If there is success in the pursuit of unity, you cannot be a Transcendentalist 
because there is nothing transcendent to what your experience is. You might be 
quiet, but not a Quietist.
 

 The word transcendence thought of objectively symbolizes the goal in a 
somewhat inaccurate way, but is not the goal itself but the path to it. The 
goal itself has no name and no definable qualities and is not located anywhere 
in particular. 
 

 It is as if nothing at all, making approach a thorny problem except for the 
fact that it is your own experience. Thus it is close at hand at all times, 
which removes the problem of distance. 
 

 Because it is at hand, the problem is not where it is, but your own ignorance 
of it. 
 

 The lack is therefore in your own mind in the form of beliefs, opinions, 
conditioned behavior, and general inattention to the nature of experience as an 
aspect of living.
 

 This is why introspective methods, such as inward contemplation, and 
non-verbal meditation methods, and meditation methods that result in pure 
silence (like TM) are useful to illuminate and allow the mind's faults, which 
revolve around the way it thinks and feels, to dissipate.
 

 Unlike warfare, these methods represent, as said, a retreat from your current 
situation, not a battle with it. Perhaps this is why they lose out in the 
marketplace, they do not appear to meet a problem head on.
 

 Once dissipated, things are clear as day for what you sought is not something 
different from what you have always been, or is somewhere else than where you 
are. 
 

 Knowledge replaces ignorance, but it is not knowledge as something learned. 
 

 What you had learned was the problem. You need to lose an awful lot, to 
experience what is called enlightenment.
 

 Loss is not what people tend to aim for in their lives.
 

 You have to lie a lot to induce people to consider enlightenment as a valid 
goal in life, to make it seem as if they are going to get something out of it 
when in fact they will lose everything that is currently preventing them from 
the experience.
 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Joel 2:28
 

 וְהָיָ֣ה אַֽחֲרֵי־כֵ֗ן אֶשְׁפֹּ֤וךְ אֶת־רוּחִי֙ עַל־כָּל־בָּשָׂ֔ר

 ve haya achare khen eshpokh et-ruchi al-kol-basar
 

 28 http://biblehub.com/joel/2-28.htm“And afterward,
 I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
 

 AFAIK, basar literally means flesh... ; )

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution

[Archer Angel archonan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Transcendentalism and Quietism have philosophically at their basis, withdrawal. 
That is a recessive quality, a retreat, and that cannot stand up to more 
forceful attitudes such as ramming a dogma down someone's throat. 
Quietism was condemned as a heresy in the Catholic Church, wrongly elevating 
contemplation over meditation, intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and 
interior passivity over pious action. (Note the words here are used in a 
different sense than in TM.)
This problem cannot be overcome unless it is realized that transcendence and 
stillness are techniques to expand experience, to expand the nature of the 
mind. They are not ends in themselves, they are methods.
Also these methods become objectified. Moving from a state of experience not 
previously known to a state of knowing is a transcendence, a going beyond, but 
just for the moment. Once you have the result, it is in hand. It is not 
transcendent.
Thus it is improper to say you are experiencing "the Transcendent," because any 
state transcendent to what you are experiencing is not experienced. 
Transcendence is a method to get from A to B, a state of experience, not a 
state of objects.
First you just have A. Then B, and finally AB. You are looking for a state of 
experience, not a thing.
In TM this would be A, B (TC), A|B (CC), and AB (UC).
So ultimately transcendence comes to an end because there is no further to go, 
the method, having established a unified experience, no longer has anything to 
do.
If there is success in the pursuit of unity, you cannot be a Transcendentalist 
because there is nothing transcendent to what your experience is. You might be 
quiet, but not a Quietist.
The word transcendence thought of objectively symbolizes the goal in a somewhat 
inaccurate way, but is not the goal itself but the path to it. The goal itself 
has no name and no definable qualities and is not located anywhere in 
particular. 
It is as if nothing at all, making approach a thorny problem except for the 
fact that it is your own experience. Thus it is close at hand at all times, 
which removes the problem of distance. 
Because it is at hand, the problem is not where it is, but your own ignorance 
of it. 
The lack is therefore in your own mind in the form of beliefs, opinions, 
conditioned behavior, and general inattention to the nature of experience as an 
aspect of living.
This is why introspective methods, such as inward contemplation, and non-verbal 
meditation methods, and meditation methods that result in pure silence (like 
TM) are useful to illuminate and allow the mind's faults, which revolve around 
the way it thinks and feels, to dissipate.
Unlike warfare, these methods represent, as said, a retreat from your current 
situation, not a battle with it. Perhaps this is why they lose out in the 
marketplace, they do not appear to meet a problem head on.
Once dissipated, things are clear as day for what you sought is not something 
different from what you have always been, or is somewhere else than where you 
are. 
Knowledge replaces ignorance, but it is not knowledge as something learned. 
What you had learned was the problem. You need to lose an awful lot, to 
experience what is called enlightenment.
Loss is not what people tend to aim for in their lives.
You have to lie a lot to induce people to consider enlightenment as a valid 
goal in life, to make it seem as if they are going to get something out of it 
when in fact they will lose everything that is currently preventing them from 
the experience.


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[FairfieldLife] Best drumline ever??

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 Kollektive konskiousness in aktion??
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quietist Revolution

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, for purposes of philosophical discourse, we can take the experiences  of A 
to be valuable lessons for B, but as pointed out by MMY; this approach is not 
always valuable or appropriate.  To use an analogy, take the people in the 
"Matrix" world.  Some wake up out of their dismal state of delusion, and among 
these, some prefer to fight the system while others simply accommodate 
themselves with the Order of things, quietly living amongst the so-called 
deluded population. But in that set of persons, they simply "like" being the 
way they are.
 ...
 On the notion of Transcendence "not" being Transcendence since after the 
unknown becomes known it couldn't be Transcendent; sorry Jim but this argument 
leads to an infinite regress and its excessive faux eruditeness obscures the 
stark simplicity of the nature of desies.  Person A simply experiences 
something that he at one time called "Transcendent" and wishes to make it 
permanent.  If so, it in a sense is STILL "Transcendent" (purusha), because - 
as pointed out by the Vedic reference by Carde, Purusha is Absolutely distinct 
from subtle prakriti. Lett out is that the distinction simultaneously exists, 
but doesn't exist.  (a genuine Paradox).  The fact that this boggles the mind 
is simply a fact of life.
 

 As pointed out by Harri Aalto, "persons" are Purusha though they not know it 
consciously.  When knowing "IT", the label of Transcendence may be applied.  No 
need to complicate things. It's simply something newly experienced (unless one 
is born that way).  But even after realizing IT, IT's still the Transcendent, 
according to the Vedic verse quoted by Carde.
 Shalom Aleichem, Baruch Atah