[FairfieldLife] Re: MMA fighter Vasquez dies weeks after fight

[TurquoiseB]

This has got to be Shemp in one of his put-on guises,
right? I mean, no one could actually write this shit 
and *believe* it. It's *got* to be a troll because no 
one could *possibly* be this clueless.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> People with either or both poor comprehension skills and/or moral
depravity
> will by, what the universe has given them run amock, readily,
willfully and
> even
> gleefully misrepresent what others say, especially those expecting
of them
> to
> be as morally relevant as the species demands.
> 
> I didn't raise nor breed the rest of North Americans, Curtis, nor am I
> directly
> responsible for their actions, though I do expect every being born
of human
> form
> to live up to the same cardinal human principles that define our
species,
> much
> to the consternation of truculent backward-seeking misfits that have
fits
> that their
> group may be included within that realm.
> 
> My response had to do with one segment of society being blame fully for
> the actions of others, whereas, even retarded children as well as
animals
> and plants know that it's a matter of personal moral development, not
> sectism.
> The excusive rationalization that "our people aren't responsible for our
> actions.
> Whenever we do something wrong, it's always that other group's
> responsibility.
> We can rely upon their self-loating guileless moral retards to flog
> themselves for
> the unconscionable actions of 'our people.'"  Such demented
rationalizations
> are
> no longer going to work for humans on Earth, Curtis, though I wasn't
> implying this
> by any measure in my previous post, though it must be said since you
> couldn't
> comprehend what I did say -- or perhaps that was willfully wouldn't
for some
> 
> nefarious reason, Curtis?
> 
> You couldn't comprehend that, could you, Curtis, by any measure of
mental
> gynastics, to come up with a morally relevant perspective germain to nor
> incumbent upon a relatively human disposition?
> 
> 
> On 12/3/07, curtisdeltablues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  > like malignant carcinomas burgeoning forth from within the
> > bowels of hell for more fighting are certainly biosocially
> > African-North American and Hispanic-Native American.  A
> > vast majority of people from other than such cultures
> > eschew such rampant beastiality.>
> >
> > Let me guess, a spiritual racist. Good for you.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
> > Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > While "white" people, some, may also enjoy boxing in all its
> > > verities, and while English rules of boxing may be or have
> > > been the foundation of contemporary boxing in North
> > > America, the vast majority of people frothing dementedly
> > > like malignant carcinomas burgeoning forth from within the
> > > bowels of hell for more fighting are certainly biosocially
> > > African-North American and Hispanic-Native American.  A
> > > vast majority of people from other than such cultures
> > > eschew such rampant beastiality.
> > >
> > > What's needed, indeed imperative is that those who are born
> > > in human form should both be given full scope to develop
> > > their subtler realms in a progressively vistara-seeking
> > > manner and that morally evolved beings -- not beasts -- be
> > > endowed with decision-making capacities affecting anyone
> > > beyond themselves.  While culture breeds, or can breed such
> > > dispositions and opportunities, it is imperative that
> > > people do so of their own volition, that leadership lay the
> > > foundation for such to be so, and that all of society, in
> > > concert, expect each and every being privileged to have
> > > been born in human form to also live up to the standards of
> > > human evolution extant within society.  Such is not
> > > anchored in form, though how it is expressed, in form, is a
> > > symptom.  This has to do with sentiment, action and
> > > disposition -- arguing about which "group" is superior
> > > demonstrates matters of form, not moral substance.
> > >
> > > *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most
> > > valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral
> > > conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any
capacity.
> > > Anything less is a menace to society.*
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/3/07, MDixon6569@  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  In a message dated 12/3/07 1:56:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > >   Let's all blame Off. He's the one who's been
> > > > bragging about being able to kill a guy with
> > > > one punch.
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > > > "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sam Vasquez of Houston may have become the first fighter to
die from
> > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nope, all I did was ask a question in that thread.  
> I wonder if Delia actually voted for Bush in 2004 
> and if so really regrets it now?

Well, he hasn't made Beltane a national holiday
and given a tax break to witches, so I'd be 
willing to bet that she's not a fan.  :-)

What we need to do is get her together with Off.
She's the only person I've ever encountered on
the Internet who knows less than he does about
martial arts while claiming to be knowledgeable. 

We could set up a demonstration given by the two 
of them of ass kicking. We'd take the ass -- with-
out legs or a torso or anything, and hang it 
about three feet off the ground in a stationary
position. Then the idea of the demo is that they
try to "kick ass," with no one trying to stop them.

My bet is that it would take either of them a
week to find the ass with both hands, much
less kick it. They just *personify* Curtis' term 
"Jaw Jitsu."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan Karate vs Kung Fu

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  
> wrote:
> You're an idiot. 
> You do not have a point of view, you have an inexperienced bullshit 
> claim.
> You're an idiot.
> 
> Lurk:
> Off, you are one kind of first class, bonifide, A-1, Horses Ass. Oh, I 
> forgot, it's all a joke, don't take it so seriously.  When did your 
> development get arrested.  I would say it was later in life, somewhere 
> around 16, or 17.  What was it, death of parent or sibling?  Shunned 
> by someone you were in love with?  Were you an 80lb weakling?  Ah ha.  
> That's it.  An 80lb weakling.  Now you get your revenge.

As usual Lurk, clear as a bell.





>

[FairfieldLife] aatmaa: 'aa' to 'maa' , 'maa' to 'aa'

[cardemaister]

Just heard Benjamin Feldman repeat Maharishi's(?)
"etymology" of 'aatmaa': 'aa' to 'maa', 'maa' to 'aa'.

(Now I hear some bagpipe music. Perhaps in the case
of bagpipes the scales are natural, not tempered.
But my "ear" is not accurate enough to decide whether
that's the case or not...)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan Karate vs Kung Fu

[lurkernomore20002000]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
You're an idiot. 
You do not have a point of view, you have an inexperienced bullshit 
claim.
You're an idiot.

Lurk:
Off, you are one kind of first class, bonifide, A-1, Horses Ass. Oh, I 
forgot, it's all a joke, don't take it so seriously.  When did your 
development get arrested.  I would say it was later in life, somewhere 
around 16, or 17.  What was it, death of parent or sibling?  Shunned 
by someone you were in love with?  Were you an 80lb weakling?  Ah ha.  
That's it.  An 80lb weakling.  Now you get your revenge.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Marek,
> 
> If weed was legal, there'd be weed growing in every ditch -- they
> wouldn't get nearly the taxes that they're getting for alcohol and
> tobacco.

I still think many a lazy ass would rather buy it then grow it.


> 
> The hemp industry however would greatly benefit the economy.
> 
> As far as I can tell, the law against pot is a racist tool to imprison
> African Americansplain and simple.

I think maybe crack fits a racist profile.  Weed seems to be an equal
opportunity destroyer legally.

> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Why on earth the government hasn't legalized marijuana (at least), 
> > regulated its use and taxed it to provide for needed government 
> > programs puzzles me.
> > 
> > Here in Humboldt County the estimates of how much marijuana 
> > cultivation contributes to our local economy ranges from $200 million 
> > on the conservative side to half-a-billion on the optimistic side.  
> > And that's just a single California county; you can imagine how much 
> > in potential tax revenues that single crop could generate if it was 
> > legalized.
> > 
> > And the savings in law enforcement, probation services, court and 
> > related court services themselves would be tremendous in and of 
> > themselves.  Some portion of revenues could be directed towards drug 
> > education and rehabilitation services for those who become caught up 
> > in drug addiction, though marijuana ain't one of the drugs that 
> > causes problems (outside of its illegality).  And, although there 
> > will always be something of a black market for any desirable product, 
> > the heavy duty criminal element that is drawn to high-risk, high-
> > profit ventures would exit the market.
> > 
> > I don't think that will happen until we have a responsible Republican 
> > administration that will make the argument an economic one; once you 
> > examine current drug laws through that lens I don't believe you can 
> > long endorse this well-intentioned but fundamentally flawed drug war.
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York 
> > City.
> > >  It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
> > > important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
> > > really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a 
> > mobster
> > > underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black 
> > market
> > > impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself happened
> > > back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.
> > > 
> > > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
> > > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
> > > If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.
> > > 
> > > Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem 
> > was
> > > is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> > > > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
> > I've 
> > > > been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy 
> > the 
> > > > whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a 
> > good 
> > > > intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> > > > essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> > percentages of 
> > > > property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > > > 
> > > > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
> > profit 
> > > > from their busts.
> > > > 
> > > > **
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much 
> > dumber:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Duveyoung]

Marek,

If weed was legal, there'd be weed growing in every ditch -- they
wouldn't get nearly the taxes that they're getting for alcohol and
tobacco.

The hemp industry however would greatly benefit the economy.

As far as I can tell, the law against pot is a racist tool to imprison
African Americansplain and simple.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Why on earth the government hasn't legalized marijuana (at least), 
> regulated its use and taxed it to provide for needed government 
> programs puzzles me.
> 
> Here in Humboldt County the estimates of how much marijuana 
> cultivation contributes to our local economy ranges from $200 million 
> on the conservative side to half-a-billion on the optimistic side.  
> And that's just a single California county; you can imagine how much 
> in potential tax revenues that single crop could generate if it was 
> legalized.
> 
> And the savings in law enforcement, probation services, court and 
> related court services themselves would be tremendous in and of 
> themselves.  Some portion of revenues could be directed towards drug 
> education and rehabilitation services for those who become caught up 
> in drug addiction, though marijuana ain't one of the drugs that 
> causes problems (outside of its illegality).  And, although there 
> will always be something of a black market for any desirable product, 
> the heavy duty criminal element that is drawn to high-risk, high-
> profit ventures would exit the market.
> 
> I don't think that will happen until we have a responsible Republican 
> administration that will make the argument an economic one; once you 
> examine current drug laws through that lens I don't believe you can 
> long endorse this well-intentioned but fundamentally flawed drug war.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York 
> City.
> >  It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
> > important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
> > really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a 
> mobster
> > underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black 
> market
> > impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself happened
> > back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.
> > 
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
> > If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.
> > 
> > Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem 
> was
> > is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> > > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
> I've 
> > > been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy 
> the 
> > > whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a 
> good 
> > > intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> > > essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> percentages of 
> > > property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > > 
> > > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
> profit 
> > > from their busts.
> > > 
> > > **
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much 
> dumber:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Conspiracy -- What are you talking about!

[Duveyoung]

new.morning wrote: "How nefarious? How credible? These are good
questions to ask and answer when using loaded terms like "conspiracy".
IMO."


Edg:

Try to get to the upper crust with your questions about what they're
up to.  Impossible.  You can't get past the secretaries.  It takes a
Roger Moore to be rude enough to barge in and make the elitists
tremble.  Most folks can't conjure up the mojo.

That's what's counted on, ya see?  Funnily enough, allowing a "Roger"
here or there "to spout," strengthens the illusion of freedom while
all along we've been domesticated in every way.

By allowing one Roger, they then can flood the media with Rush, Bill,
Ann, and all the Fox News hate mongerscuz they know the masses are
too busy, too dumb, to deluded to try to figure out who "won the
debate."  Hence: the Supreme Court Chose Bush and most of us just
turned the page.

Edg

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
>  wrote:
> >
> > Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because
> he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up.  But
> the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also
> predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would
> that carry any weight with her?  Moreover, he studied at Harvard. 
> > 
> > Bhairitu  wrote:   The
> first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned 
> >  all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote
of it 
> >  back in the 1800's.  But Judy would have dismissed that one out of
> hand 
> >  as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans
valued his 
> >  advice.
> >  
> >  Angela Mailander wrote:
> >  > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two
> reasons.  Maybe because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past
> history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation,
> and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just
> your style of interacting with people.  Indeed, I've seen you do it
> with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at
> them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply uncultured behavior
> and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  
> >  >
> >  > The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked
> for historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. 
> Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate  substitute for ten
> years' worth of  scholarly research, and only someone who is not a
> scholar would even ask such a thing.  Giving you just a few names (or
> sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism.  
> >  >
> >  > If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would
> be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you
> might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am.
>  But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity
> that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. 
> >  >
> >  > The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American
> academic historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have
> published their work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. 
> If you really were seriously interested in this question, rather than
> wanting to dismiss the possibility of conspiracy out of hand without
> any serious investigation, then I would begin with Gary Allen's "The
> Rockefeller Papers" and with Anthony Sutton's "Wallstreet and the Rise
> of Hitler."  His "Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution" would be
> another good choice.   But again, these two men would be a bare bones
> beginning.  You could not draw any hard conclusions based on their
> work alone.  At a minimum, you would not only have to read their
> books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have
> done.  This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's
> work.  Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this
> kind of work in order to learn that
> >  I
> >  >  am not just talking through my hat.  Yet, there is no other way
> to determine whether or not I am.  
> >  >
> >  > A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue.
> I can present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which
> actually also includes a life time of experience as someone born in
> Nazi Germany) that got me where I am.  So why talk about it at all? 
> Because we are in danger as I write of going down that road again. It
> may, in fact, be too late.  But still there is hope that, somehow, the
> American people won't walk into a fascist regime as blindly as did the
> German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf details are crude.  By
> the time such things happen, it is almost too late.  What about the
> brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to it being
> possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see
> right in front 

[FairfieldLife] Nisargadatta sounds extraordinary to me. ( David Lynch and Psychosis)

[Duveyoung]

Nisargadatta sounds extraordinary to me.

You?

It's about energy.  He casts sound spells.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> 
> > **
>  
> > Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
> > puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
> > his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
> > depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
> > TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
> > These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
> > nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
> > be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.
> 
> I am glad we have so many hobby psychologists here. It might be
> interesting to you, that some of the most enlightened people on earth
> were heavy smokers. Nisargadatta Maharaj comes to mind. Coffee
> consumption is neither unusual with enlightened. A friend of mine knew
> a Lady saint in India living on coffee alone, not eating any food.
> 
> Vaj and Edg might want to do a voice analysis based on this tape:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU
>

[FairfieldLife] Name calling harms the culture (David Lynch and Psychosis)

[Duveyoung]

For everyone's information, but especially for Off:

IQ Range   Classification
70-80  Borderline deficiency
50-69  Moron
20-49  Imbecile
below 20   Idiot

To use these terms as "put downs" is no different than calling someone
a "cripple" -- Off, would you call a paraplegic "a worthless cripple"
with the horrid  tone I "hear" in your words below?

This goes to elitism.  This goes to predation.

If anything, the lower half of the bell curve deserves our sympathy
for the extraordinary challenges they face from "mere life."

If, Off, you consider yourself as smart as you seem to think you are
-- given how you label so many here with such derogatory tones -- then
shame on you for attacking those of us -- who struggle with theories
and nuances and "fail in Off's eyes" -- with words that would get you
a punch in the nose if you ever said such a thing to a parent's low IQ
child.

One percent of the world's babies are geniuses that could run circles
around anyone posting here.  Anyone.  I know about IQ to some degree,
and I've had field experience teaching what were then called "Educable
Mentally Retarded" children.  Every child I ever met taught me
something DEEP.

This flamer attitude here is so low and tawdry.  Even the worst of us
can contribute, but, instead, so many are at war and must have a
victory in a sick contest of name calling.

Elitism's great blindness is that the smart people are, well, smart
and all under them will be "slow on the uptake."  Without heart,
without compassion, and without patience, the smartest person will
almost certainly devolve into elitism.  Surely there's no defense for
this immorality.

Every time someone uses, say, the word "idiot" with Off's tonality,
then whoever hears it will have their integrity besmirched if they
remain silent, for such tonality and usage will instruct the culture
-- to whatever degree -- that this is permissible, when in fact no one
should abide such.  Silence equals approbation.

Who here would let anyone make fun of a cripple or blind person for
their handicap?

We all know about the "N-word" "rules," right?  Why?  Cuz there's tens
of millions of African Americans, and one had better get on board the
PC bus, right?

Well, 25% of all babies born are of such low intelligence that they
will always be "made fun of behind their backs."  But, do the math;
25% of 300,000,000 Americans is 75,000,000 persons.  

But they have no voice.

No Martin Luther "The Dummy" King will rise from their ranks to
correct the nation's consciousness about being gentle with those so
terribly challenged.

It is those who would pose as superior who must be their voice.

Otherwise, what do you suggest, Off?  Genetic control of EVERYONE?  Do
you want a Master Race?  It seems so.

Jesus said, "The poor are always with you."  Poor in spirit,
intelligence, heart, and every other human asset -- take your pick on
who to most directly help, but support the right to be wrong in
everyone you meet.  That will allow all to speak with a heart that
will have so many coming forth as Totakacharyas.

What didn't you understand about "the white teeth of the dead dog?"

I'm sorry that those who are smarter than me, here at FFL, have been
burdened by my lack of insight, my false pride of thinking "I'm in the
know," and of course my flames.  But, it is hard for me to fully
apologize when I bear psychic burning-welts and must daily wonder why
I expose myself to the dark ire of so many here.

This is not about moodmaking and summoning up a pity for others.  This
is about real life and getting jiggy with the spectrums of human
presentation.

I'm trying hard to deal with you, Off.  Surely, like the 99% of the
people on this planet, you too, deserve my compassion.  Please help me
keep my "righteous indignation" and "willingness to flame" on the
leash -- "help" means: you too doing the same.

Edg









-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
> > 
> > In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an article  
> > discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
> > Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the 
> article  
> > is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
> > Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
> that  
> > the director intuitively understands the underlying mechanisms of  
> > psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where experiential 
> and  
> > subjective approaches to understanding mental illness have fallen 
> out  
> > of favour, David Lynch may also offer some insight into the 
> feeling  
> > of what it is like to suffer from psychosis...>>
> 
> Vaj, you are a complete idiot. 
> Read it again:
> "Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression that 
> the director intuitively understands the un

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
>
>> Eccentricity is often mistaken for art, but not for long.  Time 
>> always sorts out real art from the merely eccentric.  A vata-deranged 
>> character in a novel or a painting obviously does not necessarily 
>> mean that the artist is vata-deranged.  The original charge was that 
>> MD is a vata-deranged piece of work because DL is vata deranged.  
>> Something like that.
>
>
> Actually nothing like that. I've not even seen MD!
>
> Dr. Pete did make some comments on it, but that's about it.
I bet that Dr. Pete saw the same version I recorded on the My Network TV 
which is what some independent stations use for program source.  If so 
it would  be an "airlines" version if one can imagine MD playing on  an 
airline. :)

After commercials removed the movie I had 1 hour and 48 minutes of a  2 
hour 25  minute movie.  I'm sure the juicier scenes were cut. ;-)

http://www.mynetworktv.com/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

Richard J. Williams wrote:
>>> We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after 
>>> Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. 
>>>
>>>   
> Bhairitu wrote:  
>   
>> She didn't kick my "but".
>>
>> 
> Whipped it; whipped it good.
>  
> Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
> From: Delia 
> Date: Sun, Sep 26 2004 2:44 pm
> Subject: Re: Neocon delusions
> http://tinyurl.com/ys3spw
Nope, all I did was ask a question in that thread.  I wonder if Delia 
actually voted for Bush in 2004 and if so really regrets it now?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[Angela Mailander]

Glory, Hallelujah, another sane view of a great artist's life!!  The thing 
about dogma is that it always misreads artists for insane.  They're the few 
sane folks among us!! 

mainstream20016 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
 > >
 > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 > > >
 > > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
 > > > 
 > > > In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an 
 > article  
 > > > discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
 > > > Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the
 > > > article is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
 > > >
 > > > Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
 > > > that the director intuitively understands the underlying
 > > > mechanisms of psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where
 > > > experiential and subjective approaches to understanding mental 
 > > > illness have fallen out of favour, David Lynch may also offer some
 > > > insight into the feeling of what it is like to suffer from 
 > > > psychosis...
 > > 
 > > Link to the article itself:
 > > 
 > > http://tinyurl.com/ytwlf7
 > > 
 > > Be a good idea to read the whole thing if what
 > > Vaj chose to quote from the BoingBoing post leads
 > > you to think the article suggests Lynch portrays
 > > psychosis on the basis of his own personal
 > > experience thereof (although if you read the quote
 > > above with attention, it's clear that isn't what
 > > the article says at all).
 > >
 > 
 > **
 > 
 > I like Lynch's enthusiasm for TM, an enthusiasm which I share, of 
 > course, but Lynch, although he is able to enjoy life more through TM, 
 > is still clearly not a picture of good mental health. His 
 > protestations that his (mostly) dark and twisted films have nothing 
 > to do with his mental state are obviously not plausible -- artists 
 > put themselves into their work, and it's clear that David is not a 
 > sunny day (not yet, anyway).
 > 
 > Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
 > puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
 > his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
 > depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
 > TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
 > These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
 > nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
 > be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.
 >
 
 And unless he lives in an East-facing home, sleeps in the southwestern portion 
thereof, 
 meditates in its north-east most room, he will be out-of-tune with nature's 
functioning
 right?  
 
 David Lynch appears to be as even, bright, polite, and productive as ANY TMer, 
despite his 
 cravings for caffiene and cigarettes. Perhaps Lynch could eliminate the 
stresses that 
 prompt his cravings were he to scale back interaction with the relative world, 
 by 'retiring' 
 to a life of moment to moment bliss in a Utopian TM-infused environment 
(Vlodrop, daily 
 with MMY, perhaps). He chooses to remain engaged in productive and  creative 
work ( I 
 happen to see incredible consistent themes in his work - see FFL # 156485 ). 
He is 
 producing art and illuminating important themes.  Thank God he still 
contributes via his 
 artistic works, rather than remain stress-free and craving free. Borderline 
Psychotic, as 
 indicated by cravings? You've got to be kidding - but unfortunately, you're 
not.  How sad.
  
 
 
 
   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

> In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the
> Afghanistan war back in 1999.  I too heard through a friend that his
> cousin in Navy intelligence said there was a war planned there at that
> time too.


For many years, at least since the lordly reign of the
honorable presumptudunce, Lord RayGun, I have consistently
heard from Marines and Sailors that we were planning for
war in Iraq, despite Iran being more forefront on our
burners back in the day of Ronnie the Dissociative.  And
once Bubba de Elvis was in orifice, vitriolic convulsions
of hatred and contempt erupted from Marines and Sailors
about that "god damned mother-f'ing liberal" be done away
with immediately and that his presence in the W'haus was
interfering with their imperative to wipe out them
"sand-[dwellers]" "over there".

Every time I witnessed such demented tantrum-addicts over
more than two decades I was substantially confused that we
could have so many emotionally and morally disequpoised
grunts, both in our species and in our military, Ooogha
Mooogha.  Some were so demonstrably vicious you knew in the
core of your being that they'd be the first to jump at an
opportunity to 'ssinate the '92 - 2K commander.

These were not a few I witnessed this from, they numbered
in the hundreds.



> Don't forget too that a Pentagon study released a couple years ago that
> said that cold would drive populations from the more northerly areas of
> the earth.  That would really cause some problems.  Imagines the North
> American hordes invading South America?


Perhaps South America, though generally equitorial climates.
In the future the North Pacific will particularly be
frozen, though I don't know yet how far into the future
that will be nor for how long.


> I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can
> make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain
> degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak.  Capitalism is just too
> much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system.
> We're all not made to be entrepreneurs.  But I also say let those with
> such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the
> absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's
> population.


This may be a worthy asset while exploring such options:
http://EconomicDemocracy.shows.it/



On 12/3/07, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've believed for years that the planet is overpopulated for it's
> resources.  In many ways humanity, like a growth on a human body, is
> like an infestation on the planet earth.  It is most likely that nature
> herself will put (or is putting) forth forces to cull the population. If
> she doesn't there are certainly more humane methods to bringing the
> human population down over a period of time.  There's where I differ
> with the supposed elite who want to cull humanity through war, disease
> and eugenics.
>
> I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can
> make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain
> degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak.  Capitalism is just too
> much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system.
> We're all not made to be entrepreneurs.  But I also say let those with
> such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the
> absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's
> population.
>
> The US consumes 25% of the world's resources yet we are only 7% of the
> world's population.  Balance needs to be restored and it won't be
> pretty.  On Black Friday as I wandered through the local Fry's
> superstore I wondered where all these people whose carts were filled to
> the brim and were lined up so deep it would take two hours for them to
> check out, where were they getting the money to buy these things?  My
> bet is most were spending income that is supposed to be there the next
> couple of years.  That might turn out to have been a bad gamble.
>
> One of the "theories" regarding 9/11 is that there is a war going on
> within the US military.  Two opposing factions are waring with each
> other and 9/11 was part of the war game gone out of control.  That would
> mean we have an unstable military and certainly foreign countries would
> be aware of it.  It is also "theorized" that the B-52 with the nukes
> that flew across the country a couple months back was destined to use
> those in Iraq and there was a mutiny over it (some crew members wound up
> having "accidents.").  That too might be a clue if there is such a thing
> going on.  And I don't think it would be hard to keep it somewhat secret
> and what slips out seems so far fetched people don't pass it on.  They
> just think their relative in the military is telling them a big one.
>
> In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the
> Afghanistan war back in 1999.  I too heard through a friend that his
> cousin in Nav

[FairfieldLife] Re: FF Memorial 3pm Tues

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tony Luccino, long time member of the FF meditating community
> passed away recently.
> 
> Memorial service for Tony at Revelations Bookstore upstairs on 
>Tues. 
> 3pm.
>

Tony came to FF in 1981,
In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to the Dharma Foundation 
student scholarship fund (Maharishi School tuitions) or to Amrita 
Institute of Medical Services (Ammachi charity hospitals) ...from the 
FFLedger obit. 

This fits Tony.  His civic-minded morality was rooted both in the 
spiritual practice of the consciousness-based education here and then 
also in spiritual service to others like with the Amma direct 
charities.   He was a real nice soul participating in the FF 
meditating community this way.  I'll miss him.  -Doug in FF

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMA fighter Vasquez dies weeks after fight

[curtisdeltablues]

 

Let me guess, a spiritual racist. Good for you.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You
Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> While "white" people, some, may also enjoy boxing in all its
> verities, and while English rules of boxing may be or have
> been the foundation of contemporary boxing in North
> America, the vast majority of people frothing dementedly
> like malignant carcinomas burgeoning forth from within the
> bowels of hell for more fighting are certainly biosocially
> African-North American and Hispanic-Native American.  A
> vast majority of people from other than such cultures
> eschew such rampant beastiality.
> 
> What's needed, indeed imperative is that those who are born
> in human form should both be given full scope to develop
> their subtler realms in a progressively vistara-seeking
> manner and that morally evolved beings -- not beasts -- be
> endowed with decision-making capacities affecting anyone
> beyond themselves.  While culture breeds, or can breed such
> dispositions and opportunities, it is imperative that
> people do so of their own volition, that leadership lay the
> foundation for such to be so, and that all of society, in
> concert, expect each and every being privileged to have
> been born in human form to also live up to the standards of
> human evolution extant within society.  Such is not
> anchored in form, though how it is expressed, in form, is a
> symptom.  This has to do with sentiment, action and
> disposition -- arguing about which "group" is superior
> demonstrates matters of form, not moral substance.
> 
> *Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most
> valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral
> conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity.
> Anything less is a menace to society.*
> 
> 
> On 12/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  In a message dated 12/3/07 1:56:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >   Let's all blame Off. He's the one who's been
> > bragging about being able to kill a guy with
> > one punch.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
,
> > "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sam Vasquez of Houston may have become the first fighter to die from
> > > injuries sustained in mixed martial arts competition in North
America.
> > >
> > > A report by The Fight Network cited the Harris County (Texas)
medical
> > > examiner's office confirming Vasquez's death at 8:15 p.m.
Friday. The
> > > cause of death was not released.
> > >
> > > Vasquez had been battling for his life since taking a hard right to
> > > the chin from 21-year old Vince Libardi on Oct. 20 during a
Renegades
> > > Extreme Fighting show at the Toyota Center in Houston. The blow
> > > knocked Vasquez out and he was rushed to St. Joseph Medical Center,
> > > where he stayed until moving to hospice care on Monday.
> > >
> >
> >  No, we need to blame Society. Poor Sam felt some need to learn to
fight.
> > He got so good at it, that he probably thought he could fight his
way out of
> > the barrio in a heartless Capitalist society where rich white men
could pay
> > big bucks, earned off the backs of the working poor, to watch him
clobber
> > other people doing the same. Karate lessons need to be banned as
well as
> > professional fighting before someone else gets hurt. We need to do
this
> > immediately, for the children.:)
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Shotokan expert beats Judo expert UFC

[off_world_beings]

Shotokan expert KO Judo expert - UFC
Lyoto Machida: 11 wins, no draws, no losses.

Shotokan dominates...like I said:

http://tinyurl.com/3xvlzc

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Trucks v. quaint Brit villages

[bob_brigante]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/world/europe/04gps.html

[FairfieldLife] Shotokan Foundation

[off_world_beings]

Everything this guy does uses Shotokan as his foundation on which he 
builds. Without that he is nothing.

""Lyoto Machida - In The Blood-By Thomas Gerbasi""

""The son never had a chance. ""

""There would be no soccer fields or jiu-jitsu mats for Lyoto 
Machida, at least not at that point, especially not if his father had 
a say in the matter. And as the head of the family, Yoshizo Machida 
did have the last word, so when his son was three, he began training 
in the family business – not as a banker, a farmer, a storekeeper, or 
a craftsman, but as a martial artist. ""

""Studying Shotokan Karate under his father, a renowned Master who 
had left Japan for a new life in Salvador, Brazil, young Lyoto was a 
quick study in the art of combat, but what he was being taught went 
far beyond blocks, kicks, and katas. ""

""
"My father always taught me to be an honest man with integrity," said 
the younger Machida, now 26, through his manager / translator Ed 
Soares. "He also showed me the path of being a true fighter through 
Oriental Philosophy." ""

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nqbAfzrg-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTJBlDkNbEw

http://tinyurl.com/2wn5f8


OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

I've believed for years that the planet is overpopulated for it's 
resources.  In many ways humanity, like a growth on a human body, is 
like an infestation on the planet earth.  It is most likely that nature 
herself will put (or is putting) forth forces to cull the population. If 
she doesn't there are certainly more humane methods to bringing the 
human population down over a period of time.  There's where I differ 
with the supposed elite who want to cull humanity through war, disease 
and eugenics.

I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can 
make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain 
degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak.  Capitalism is just too 
much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system.  
We're all not made to be entrepreneurs.  But I also say let those with 
such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the 
absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's 
population.

The US consumes 25% of the world's resources yet we are only 7% of the 
world's population.  Balance needs to be restored and it won't be 
pretty.  On Black Friday as I wandered through the local Fry's 
superstore I wondered where all these people whose carts were filled to 
the brim and were lined up so deep it would take two hours for them to 
check out, where were they getting the money to buy these things?  My 
bet is most were spending income that is supposed to be there the next 
couple of years.  That might turn out to have been a bad gamble.

One of the "theories" regarding 9/11 is that there is a war going on 
within the US military.  Two opposing factions are waring with each 
other and 9/11 was part of the war game gone out of control.  That would 
mean we have an unstable military and certainly foreign countries would 
be aware of it.  It is also "theorized" that the B-52 with the nukes 
that flew across the country a couple months back was destined to use 
those in Iraq and there was a mutiny over it (some crew members wound up 
having "accidents.").  That too might be a clue if there is such a thing 
going on.  And I don't think it would be hard to keep it somewhat secret 
and what slips out seems so far fetched people don't pass it on.  They 
just think their relative in the military is telling them a big one.

In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the 
Afghanistan war back in 1999.  I too heard through a friend that his 
cousin in Navy intelligence said there was a war planned there at that 
time too.

Don't forget too that a Pentagon study released a couple years ago that 
said that cold would drive populations from the more northerly areas of 
the earth.  That would really cause some problems.  Imagines the North 
American hordes invading South America?

I never read Watership Down.  May have seen the video but that would 
have been years ago.  So much to read, so much to see, so much to do, so 
little time.

Angela Mailander wrote:
> Well, Bhairitu, that was certainly the most interesting interview I've seen 
> lately.  How to assess the "reality status" of a media event like that is 
> more than an ordinary mortal like me can fathom.  What is really going on on 
> this planet in a moment of apparent crisis? Real or imagined?  Judy seems to 
> know.  Do you?  Where is the truth to be found?
>
> If the thing can be taken at face value, then it is good news, ai'nt it?  
> Unless of course those evil dudes are right: we're herd animals and herds 
> need to be culled.  If there's foxes and a thousand other elil making sure 
> the rabbit population stays in healthy balance, fine.  But who's gonna do it 
> for us if not us?  Right?  Is that their thinking? Put yourself in Rocky's 
> place: what would your thinking be, assuming  he wants to rule well, yet he 
> means to rule.  His ultimate aim would have to be to keep this planet and 
> this world healthy enough to continue to bear our lives in perpetuity? Does 
> he likely have information not accessible to us?  Judy seems to think 
> government can't keep a secret.  Well, that would depend on the social 
> organization of warren, wouldn't it?  
>
> On the other hand, the available evidence does not rule out ANY point of view 
> or ANY possibility, including Bronte's (I hope she's lurking).  In that case, 
> of course, we're still herd animals, and they're the elil, well, that would 
> be a whole 'nother story, wouldn't it?  According to the Disclosure Project 
> we're supposed to believe in space aliens.  And are they friendly?  Well, 
> whose story about that would you trust?
>
> Have you read Watership Down? It's truly one of the immortal books of the 
> 20th century.
>
> Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Former 
> Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller:
>  http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521
>  
>  How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies):

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why on earth the government hasn't legalized marijuana (at least), 
> regulated its use and taxed it to provide for needed government 
> programs puzzles me.
> 
> Here in Humboldt County the estimates of how much marijuana 
> cultivation contributes to our local economy ranges from $200 
million 
> on the conservative side to half-a-billion on the optimistic side.  
> And that's just a single California county; you can imagine how 
much 
> in potential tax revenues that single crop could generate if it was 
> legalized.



Hey, it's the #1 cash crop in the U.S.:

http://tinyurl.com/vl538







> 
> And the savings in law enforcement, probation services, court and 
> related court services themselves would be tremendous in and of 
> themselves.  Some portion of revenues could be directed towards 
drug 
> education and rehabilitation services for those who become caught 
up 
> in drug addiction, though marijuana ain't one of the drugs that 
> causes problems (outside of its illegality).  And, although there 
> will always be something of a black market for any desirable 
product, 
> the heavy duty criminal element that is drawn to high-risk, high-
> profit ventures would exit the market.
> 
> I don't think that will happen until we have a responsible 
Republican 
> administration that will make the argument an economic one; once 
you 
> examine current drug laws through that lens I don't believe you can 
> long endorse this well-intentioned but fundamentally flawed drug 
war.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York 
> City.
> >  It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
> > important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
> > really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a 
> mobster
> > underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black 
> market
> > impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself 
happened
> > back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.
> > 
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
> > If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.
> > 
> > Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem 
> was
> > is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this 
so-
> > > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional 
battlefields 
> I've 
> > > been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and 
crazy 
> the 
> > > whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a 
> good 
> > > intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> > > essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> percentages of 
> > > property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > > 
> > > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
> profit 
> > > from their busts.
> > > 
> > > **
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much 
> dumber:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's amazing that so many people (under the rubric of the agency 
they 
> work for or religion they subscribe to -- or both) feel perfectly 
> justified in fucking with other people's lives.
> 
> Until Nixon announced the war on drugs and created the DEA to 
enforce 
> the (then) newly introduced Controlled Substances Act, it was 
> accepted without question that the individual had the 
constitutional 
> right to put pretty much anything into their own body.  A criminal 
> act is just as criminal whether one is stone cold sober or under 
the 
> influence of a drug; to criminalize how a person feels after the 
> ingestion of a certain chemical rather than how they act (whether 
or 
> not they are intoxicated) is fundamentally wrong-headed, in my 
> opinion.




And what about that most fundamental aspects of the Declaration of 
Independence: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?  Sure, I 
understand that the D of I isn't per se a constitutional document 
but, hey, if one wants to pursue happiness by ingesting all sorts of 
chemicals and he isn't hurting anyone but himself, why doesn't the 
constitution let him?







> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this 
so-
> > > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional 
battlefields 
> > > I've been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and 
> > > crazy the whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples 
of 
> > > how a good intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture 
> laws 
> > > that essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> > > percentages of property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > > 
> > > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
> profit 
> > > from their busts.
> > 
> > Interestingly, Marek, this has a historical 
> > precedent in the 13th century. 
> > 
> > There was an NGO back then that had the power
> > to accuse anyone of the highest crime in the
> > land, torture them until they confessed (it was
> > a foregone conclusion that if they were accused
> > they were guilty), and then execute them and 
> > seize all their property and assets. This non-
> > governmental organization was called the 
> > Inquisition. As a result, the Dominican Order 
> > became one of the richest entities in Europe.
> > 
> > Sadly, whatever amazing boondoggles governments 
> > can think up to fuck people over, religions can 
> > do better, and chances are they did it first.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[mainstream20016]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
> > > 
> > > In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an 
> article  
> > > discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
> > > Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the
> > > article is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
> > >
> > > Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
> > > that the director intuitively understands the underlying
> > > mechanisms of psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where
> > > experiential and subjective approaches to understanding mental 
> > > illness have fallen out of favour, David Lynch may also offer some
> > > insight into the feeling of what it is like to suffer from 
> > > psychosis...
> > 
> > Link to the article itself:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/ytwlf7
> > 
> > Be a good idea to read the whole thing if what
> > Vaj chose to quote from the BoingBoing post leads
> > you to think the article suggests Lynch portrays
> > psychosis on the basis of his own personal
> > experience thereof (although if you read the quote
> > above with attention, it's clear that isn't what
> > the article says at all).
> >
> 
> **
> 
> I like Lynch's enthusiasm for TM, an enthusiasm which I share, of 
> course, but Lynch, although he is able to enjoy life more through TM, 
> is still clearly not a picture of good mental health. His 
> protestations that his (mostly) dark and twisted films have nothing 
> to do with his mental state are obviously not plausible -- artists 
> put themselves into their work, and it's clear that David is not a 
> sunny day (not yet, anyway).
> 
> Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
> puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
> his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
> depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
> TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
> These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
> nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
> be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.
>

And unless he lives in an East-facing home, sleeps in the southwestern portion 
thereof, 
meditates in its north-east most room, he will be out-of-tune with nature's 
functioning
right?  

David Lynch appears to be as even, bright, polite, and productive as ANY TMer, 
despite his 
cravings for caffiene and cigarettes. Perhaps Lynch could eliminate the 
stresses that 
prompt his cravings were he to scale back interaction with the relative world,  
by 'retiring' 
to a life of moment to moment bliss in a Utopian TM-infused environment 
(Vlodrop, daily 
with MMY, perhaps). He chooses to remain engaged in productive and  creative 
work ( I 
happen to see incredible consistent themes in his work - see FFL # 156485 ). He 
is 
producing art and illuminating important themes.  Thank God he still 
contributes via his 
artistic works, rather than remain stress-free and craving free. Borderline 
Psychotic, as 
indicated by cravings? You've got to be kidding - but unfortunately, you're 
not.  How sad.
 

[FairfieldLife] UFC Goons

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> 
> Actually it is your bullshit claim I am challenging with video
> evidence. >>

Lol !
You don't even understand what you are seeing half the time. You 
don't know what force is and you don't know what pulling back a 
strike is. You are inexperienced in this.

 You are using bluff and bluster instead of providing any.
> 
> > Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks>
> 
> So I'm guessing you flunked physics then huh?  Ever notice that they
> never stack multiple blocks together, there is always space between
> each on? Wanna know why?  I used to break blocks as a kid.>>

Idiot. I am not an expert and I will EASILY break solid planks with a 
bare foot (don't try it, you will hurt yourself). Even I could easily 
break ribs or a jaw or an ankle, and I am not a fully trained expert. 
Your an idiot if you are asking me to kick you hard in the stomach. 
What a complete fool !

You argue about things from a position of absolute ignorance and 
stupidity. It is the same with your other arguments on other topics. 
You cannot even see simple logic because all you want is your 
pathetic and unfounded childish argument. 

> Since you have discounted all fighting arts like Muay Thai, boxing,
> kick boxing and mixed martial arts >>

Bullshit. You are lying again. I never once discounted those, you 
lying sack.

and have an unshakable faith in the
> untested claims of Shotokan (because really finding out would be
> stupid right?)  I think we are done here.  Your lack of 
acknowledging
> that the fighter you posted as using a Shotokan kick was actually a
> professional kick boxer,>>

This again shows your absolute naivity on the topic. 
The kick used is used in many styles as I said before, and would be 
VERY powerful from a Shotokan expert. I even said to you that the guy 
used the kick in an unethical and VERY dangerous way that shows his 
lack of professionalism and inexperience of the true danger of such a 
thing. That is the trouble with kick boxing, they are not properly 
trained and will KILL people if they are not more careful, and will 
bring a bad name to martial arts (as Judy's recent post showed). VERY 
VERY stupid, and you show your inexperience in martial arts once 
again.

> 
> > Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks, and a Mawashigiri kick would 
break
> > your ribs or stop your heart or collapse your stomache. Only 
idiots
> > use force in a comepition.
> 
> Oh really like boxers, kick boxers, Muay Thai fighters, and MMA
> fighters.  They are ALL idiots?  >>

Yes they are you, they don't know what they are doing. If their kicks 
are not held back so as not to injure or kill someone, then they are 
idiots like you. If they use the full force a shotokan expert can use 
they would kill someone. So the smart ones (whatever style) are not 
using full force, while the idiot ones are using full force but 
cannot muster as much force as their expert counterparts. If you 
think experts in any of these styles would use full force after 
everything I have explained to your thick skull , then you are just 
showing your inexperience in martial arts.

If you want proof, you will have to allow a Shotokan expert to kick 
you hard in the ribs you. If you think any Shotokan expert in a 
competition is going to do that you are an idiot. It is easy to break 
ribs with a kick, break a jaw, collapse an organ, break your knees or 
ankles, or smash your nose in. If you do not block it...you are done. 

The Shotokan experts deliberatley use MINIMUM force in a strike, with 
ABSOLUTE expertise in application. 

You and your UFC goons are too dumb to know that that is the only 
way, otherwise people get killed - like the example Judy posted.

Your intransigence in the face of obvious logic on this and other 
topics is due to your brain-death which reminds of the 
fundamentalists like George Bush. You really think a hard kick in the 
jaw or balls or knees cannot imobalise or injure you?...and the next 
kick devastates you. You are TOTALLY inexperienced in this topic.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMA fighter Vasquez dies weeks after fight

[Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?]

While "white" people, some, may also enjoy boxing in all its
verities, and while English rules of boxing may be or have
been the foundation of contemporary boxing in North
America, the vast majority of people frothing dementedly
like malignant carcinomas burgeoning forth from within the
bowels of hell for more fighting are certainly biosocially
African-North American and Hispanic-Native American.  A
vast majority of people from other than such cultures
eschew such rampant beastiality.

What's needed, indeed imperative is that those who are born
in human form should both be given full scope to develop
their subtler realms in a progressively vistara-seeking
manner and that morally evolved beings -- not beasts -- be
endowed with decision-making capacities affecting anyone
beyond themselves.  While culture breeds, or can breed such
dispositions and opportunities, it is imperative that
people do so of their own volition, that leadership lay the
foundation for such to be so, and that all of society, in
concert, expect each and every being privileged to have
been born in human form to also live up to the standards of
human evolution extant within society.  Such is not
anchored in form, though how it is expressed, in form, is a
symptom.  This has to do with sentiment, action and
disposition -- arguing about which "group" is superior
demonstrates matters of form, not moral substance.

*Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most
valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is a moral
conscience. Only such persons deserve to lead others, in any capacity.
Anything less is a menace to society.*


On 12/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  In a message dated 12/3/07 1:56:01 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>   Let's all blame Off. He's the one who's been
> bragging about being able to kill a guy with
> one punch.
>
> :-)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,
> "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sam Vasquez of Houston may have become the first fighter to die from
> > injuries sustained in mixed martial arts competition in North America.
> >
> > A report by The Fight Network cited the Harris County (Texas) medical
> > examiner's office confirming Vasquez's death at 8:15 p.m. Friday. The
> > cause of death was not released.
> >
> > Vasquez had been battling for his life since taking a hard right to
> > the chin from 21-year old Vince Libardi on Oct. 20 during a Renegades
> > Extreme Fighting show at the Toyota Center in Houston. The blow
> > knocked Vasquez out and he was rushed to St. Joseph Medical Center,
> > where he stayed until moving to hospice care on Monday.
> >
>
>  No, we need to blame Society. Poor Sam felt some need to learn to fight.
> He got so good at it, that he probably thought he could fight his way out of
> the barrio in a heartless Capitalist society where rich white men could pay
> big bucks, earned off the backs of the working poor, to watch him clobber
> other people doing the same. Karate lessons need to be banned as well as
> professional fighting before someone else gets hurt. We need to do this
> immediately, for the children.:)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

Well, Bhairitu, that was certainly the most interesting interview I've seen 
lately.  How to assess the "reality status" of a media event like that is more 
than an ordinary mortal like me can fathom.  What is really going on on this 
planet in a moment of apparent crisis? Real or imagined?  Judy seems to know.  
Do you?  Where is the truth to be found?

If the thing can be taken at face value, then it is good news, ai'nt it?  
Unless of course those evil dudes are right: we're herd animals and herds need 
to be culled.  If there's foxes and a thousand other elil making sure the 
rabbit population stays in healthy balance, fine.  But who's gonna do it for us 
if not us?  Right?  Is that their thinking? Put yourself in Rocky's place: what 
would your thinking be, assuming  he wants to rule well, yet he means to rule.  
His ultimate aim would have to be to keep this planet and this world healthy 
enough to continue to bear our lives in perpetuity? Does he likely have 
information not accessible to us?  Judy seems to think government can't keep a 
secret.  Well, that would depend on the social organization of warren, wouldn't 
it?  

On the other hand, the available evidence does not rule out ANY point of view 
or ANY possibility, including Bronte's (I hope she's lurking).  In that case, 
of course, we're still herd animals, and they're the elil, well, that would be 
a whole 'nother story, wouldn't it?  According to the Disclosure Project we're 
supposed to believe in space aliens.  And are they friendly?  Well, whose story 
about that would you trust?

Have you read Watership Down? It's truly one of the immortal books of the 20th 
century.

Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Former Forbes 
journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller:
 http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521
 
 How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies):
 http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan
 
 UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036.  Bet 
 there is a US one too, bet it is "classified." 6 MB:
 http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
 > Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher 
 > you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what 
 > is really going on.  The public work is for sure not all there is.  
 >
 > Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
 >
 > On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote:
 >
 >
 > But 
 >   
 >>> the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also 
 >>> predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 
 >>>   
 >
 > He sounds like quite a guy.
 >
 >
 >
 > Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of 
 > Masonic scholars, be considered "Anti-Masonry". There was even a prominent 
 > political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native 
 > Pennsylvania) called the "Anti-Masonry Party". IIRC they even almost got 
 > someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe 
 > thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in 
 > Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic 
 > research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's 
 > something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular 
 > written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not 
 > a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern 
 > Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly 
 > ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the 
 > Ancient York Rite, not
 the
 >  Scottish one.
 >
 >  
 >
 >
 >  Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
 >   
 
 
 
   

 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[aztjbailey]

Thank you for bringing this to FFL. I have been following Fulford 
ever since Makow introduced him on his savethemales site. I did not 
realize this was available. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller:
> http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521
> 
> How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies):
> http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan
> 
> UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036.  
Bet 
> there is a US one too, bet it is "classified." 6 MB:
> 
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.p
df
> 
> 
> Angela Mailander wrote:
> > Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which 
the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is 
impossible to know what is really going on.  The public work is for 
sure not all there is.  
> >
> > Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote:
> >
> >
> > But 
> >   
> >>> the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he 
also 
> >>> predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 
> >>>   
> >
> > He sounds like quite a guy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of 
view of Masonic scholars, be considered "Anti-Masonry". There was 
even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly 
prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the "Anti-Masonry Party". 
IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic 
scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have 
several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the 
British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research 
societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's 
something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his 
popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. 
But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan 
(I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're 
all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old 
Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the
> >  Scottish one.
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >  Send instant messages to your online friends 
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis]

Barry writes snipped:
It's the same thing we see in those who feel that *their* subjec-
tive experiences are better than other people's subjective experiences.

Tom T:
Another way to look at any and all experiences is as a storage device.
We have an "Experience" and the reason we do is that we are currently
unable to fully process all the knowledge that was presented by that
"Experience". As we go back into said Experience and ask it for the
Knowledge or Understanding it has for us,we gradually take that
Experience off the puja table and assimilate it into who we really
are. In other words as we convert it from storage device to
understanding it becomes less and less available as memory and just
becomes accepted as who we are. Hope that rings a bell for some here.
As in where did all those fantastic experiences go to. Tom

[FairfieldLife] Mayor of Utah calls impeachment of Bush and Cheney

[Brian Horsfield]

There's a copy of a recent speech by the Mayor of Utah here: 
http://www.slcgov.com/mayor/speeches/2007%20Speeches/
102507octoberdemonstration.pdf

In it he says that the Democrats are holding back on impeachment merely because 
they seek 
political gains in 2008. In other words party before principle. We are being 
sold out and the 
Mayor defiantly says "we are not going to take it anymore"

I had to remember Obama's answer to Rick's question in Fairfield recently about 
the Cheney 
Impeachment motion when I read that!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan Karate vs Kung Fu

[curtisdeltablues]

> 
> You do not have a point of view, you have an inexperienced bullshit 
> claim.

Actually it is your bullshit claim I am challenging with video
evidence.  You are using bluff and bluster instead of providing any.

> Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks>

So I'm guessing you flunked physics then huh?  Ever notice that they
never stack multiple blocks together, there is always space between
each on? Wanna know why?  I used to break blocks as a kid.  It is only
mentally hard the first time before you figure out that physics is
with you.  Breaking blocks.  Give me a break!

Since you have discounted all fighting arts like Muay Thai, boxing,
kick boxing and mixed martial arts and have an unshakable faith in the
untested claims of Shotokan (because really finding out would be
stupid right?)  I think we are done here.  Your lack of acknowledging
that the fighter you posted as using a Shotokan kick was actually a
professional kick boxer, was the last straw for me. You are the reason
Bruce Lee used to ridicule the attitude of traditional martial arts. 





> Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks, and a Mawashigiri kick would break
> your ribs or stop your heart or collapse your stomache. Only idiots
> use force in a comepition.

Oh really like boxers, kick boxers, Muay Thai fighters, and MMA
fighters.  They are ALL idiots?  Well I guess you told them big shot.
Mawashigiri kick no less!  Good for kicking the air at your special
outfit meetings while you talk about magically tough you are!



 You are an idiot to think that you can use
> full force in competition. Total bullshit based on total lack of
> experience. You and Barry are entirely inexperienced of you believe
> you can go around striking people hard. Hit someone hard with a 2 by
> 4 and see what happens. You're an idiot.
>
>
> > So where is the evidence of such a claim being true besides you
> > asserting it?  There are plenty of fighting sport where people get
> > knocked out. >>
>
> That is very dangerous and stupid.
> People get killed or brain-dead with that.
> VERY VERY STUPID and needless to prove skill and power.
> Only stupid people do that, and stupid people think it prooves
> something. Knocking people out or caving their face in, is idiotic
> and stupid and is for children who don't understand martial arts or
> the destructive power of having your ribs broken by a karate kick.
>
> OffWorld
>









> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > So you have never seen a Shotokan fighter knock someone out?  This
> > means you have no evidence for your claim about how powerful it is. 
> >>
> 
> Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks, and a Mawashigiri kick would break 
> your ribs or stop your heart or collapse your stomache. Only idiots 
> use force in a comepition. You are an idiot to think that you can use 
> full force in competition. Total bullshit based on total lack of 
> experience. You and Barry are entirely inexperienced of you believe 
> you can go around striking people hard. Hit someone hard with a 2 by 
> 4 and see what happens. You're an idiot.
> 
> 
> > So where is the evidence of such a claim being true besides you
> > asserting it?  There are plenty of fighting sport where people get
> > knocked out. >>
> 
> That is very dangerous and stupid. 
> People get killed or brain-dead with that. 
> VERY VERY STUPID and needless to prove skill and power. 
> Only stupid people do that, and stupid people think it prooves 
> something. Knocking people out or caving their face in, is idiotic 
> and stupid and is for children who don't understand martial arts or 
> the destructive power of having your ribs broken by a karate kick.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[curtisdeltablues]

I totally agree.  Like George Schultz from the Reagan administration
or William F. Buckley who both advocated legalization.  Democrats
can't dare to appear "soft on crime" so they will never risk this
move.  It makes me sick to spend money and locking people up,
destroying families for weed.  Our tax dollars.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Why on earth the government hasn't legalized marijuana (at least), 
> regulated its use and taxed it to provide for needed government 
> programs puzzles me.
> 
> Here in Humboldt County the estimates of how much marijuana 
> cultivation contributes to our local economy ranges from $200 million 
> on the conservative side to half-a-billion on the optimistic side.  
> And that's just a single California county; you can imagine how much 
> in potential tax revenues that single crop could generate if it was 
> legalized.
> 
> And the savings in law enforcement, probation services, court and 
> related court services themselves would be tremendous in and of 
> themselves.  Some portion of revenues could be directed towards drug 
> education and rehabilitation services for those who become caught up 
> in drug addiction, though marijuana ain't one of the drugs that 
> causes problems (outside of its illegality).  And, although there 
> will always be something of a black market for any desirable product, 
> the heavy duty criminal element that is drawn to high-risk, high-
> profit ventures would exit the market.
> 
> I don't think that will happen until we have a responsible Republican 
> administration that will make the argument an economic one; once you 
> examine current drug laws through that lens I don't believe you can 
> long endorse this well-intentioned but fundamentally flawed drug war.
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York 
> City.
> >  It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
> > important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
> > really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a 
> mobster
> > underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black 
> market
> > impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself happened
> > back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.
> > 
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
> > Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
> > If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.
> > 
> > Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem 
> was
> > is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> > > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
> I've 
> > > been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy 
> the 
> > > whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a 
> good 
> > > intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> > > essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> percentages of 
> > > property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > > 
> > > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
> profit 
> > > from their busts.
> > > 
> > > **
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much 
> dumber:
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMA fighter Vasquez dies weeks after fight

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> This shows the danger of the martial arts inexperienced free-for-all

Oh so you have seen the autopsy?  You know what killed him weeks after
the tournament?  You know that it was not a pre-existing condition? 
You know that more people died in football competition last year then
in the entire history of MMA?  Should we stop football too?  62 people
died in boxing rings since 2000.  Should we stop that sport too?



What a tiny world you live in. 



 
> that TurquoiseB has been advocating. 
> Instead of using the Shotokan Kmiti style competition where the fight 
> is stopped after one strike, and the force of strikes are diluted to 
> MINIMUM force by the skill of the expert, he and Curtis have 
> suggested the Kmiti competition is not sufficient to test the martial 
> arts, and instead it is ok to go around slamming people hard. It 
> shows comple inexperience in the topic and  this kind of disgusting 
> incident proves the arrogant inexperience of Barry and Curtis when it 
> comes to martial arts. There is a reason the experts hit each other 
> with very deliberate and precise MINIMAL force to avoid injury and 
> unnecessary death, when any halfwit knows if you hit someone hard you 
> could injure them or kill them.
> 
> Once again Barry, Curtis, and Peter have their ignorance of martial 
> arts displayed for all to see. 
> 
> Shotokan Kmiti is the only valid form of competition. Minimla force 
> through expert apllication, and fights stopped after strike.
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Let's all blame Off. He's the one who's been
> > bragging about being able to kill a guy with
> > one punch.
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sam Vasquez of Houston may have become the first fighter to die 
> from 
> > > injuries sustained in mixed martial arts competition in North 
> America.
> > > 
> > > A report by The Fight Network cited the Harris County (Texas) 
> medical 
> > > examiner's office confirming Vasquez's death at 8:15 p.m. Friday. 
> The 
> > > cause of death was not released.
> > > 
> > > Vasquez had been battling for his life since taking a hard right 
> to 
> > > the chin from 21-year old Vince Libardi on Oct. 20 during a 
> Renegades 
> > > Extreme Fighting show at the Toyota Center in Houston. The blow 
> > > knocked Vasquez out and he was rushed to St. Joseph Medical 
> Center, 
> > > where he stayed until moving to hospice care on Monday.
> > > 
> > > Read more:
> > > 
> > > http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-
> > > fighterdeath120207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/3d5kyb
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Marek Reavis]

Why on earth the government hasn't legalized marijuana (at least), 
regulated its use and taxed it to provide for needed government 
programs puzzles me.

Here in Humboldt County the estimates of how much marijuana 
cultivation contributes to our local economy ranges from $200 million 
on the conservative side to half-a-billion on the optimistic side.  
And that's just a single California county; you can imagine how much 
in potential tax revenues that single crop could generate if it was 
legalized.

And the savings in law enforcement, probation services, court and 
related court services themselves would be tremendous in and of 
themselves.  Some portion of revenues could be directed towards drug 
education and rehabilitation services for those who become caught up 
in drug addiction, though marijuana ain't one of the drugs that 
causes problems (outside of its illegality).  And, although there 
will always be something of a black market for any desirable product, 
the heavy duty criminal element that is drawn to high-risk, high-
profit ventures would exit the market.

I don't think that will happen until we have a responsible Republican 
administration that will make the argument an economic one; once you 
examine current drug laws through that lens I don't believe you can 
long endorse this well-intentioned but fundamentally flawed drug war.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York 
City.
>  It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
> important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
> really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a 
mobster
> underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black 
market
> impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself happened
> back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.
> 
> Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
> Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
> If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.
> 
> Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem 
was
> is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
I've 
> > been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy 
the 
> > whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a 
good 
> > intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> > essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
percentages of 
> > property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > 
> > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
profit 
> > from their busts.
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> > >
> > > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much 
dumber:
> > > 
> > > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Honey better than cough medicine:

[off_world_beings]

Honey better than cough medicine:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypfl8f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Marek Reavis]

It's amazing that so many people (under the rubric of the agency they 
work for or religion they subscribe to -- or both) feel perfectly 
justified in fucking with other people's lives.

Until Nixon announced the war on drugs and created the DEA to enforce 
the (then) newly introduced Controlled Substances Act, it was 
accepted without question that the individual had the constitutional 
right to put pretty much anything into their own body.  A criminal 
act is just as criminal whether one is stone cold sober or under the 
influence of a drug; to criminalize how a person feels after the 
ingestion of a certain chemical rather than how they act (whether or 
not they are intoxicated) is fundamentally wrong-headed, in my 
opinion.

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> > called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
> > I've been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and 
> > crazy the whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of 
> > how a good intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture 
laws 
> > that essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
> > percentages of property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> > 
> > It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
profit 
> > from their busts.
> 
> Interestingly, Marek, this has a historical 
> precedent in the 13th century. 
> 
> There was an NGO back then that had the power
> to accuse anyone of the highest crime in the
> land, torture them until they confessed (it was
> a foregone conclusion that if they were accused
> they were guilty), and then execute them and 
> seize all their property and assets. This non-
> governmental organization was called the 
> Inquisition. As a result, the Dominican Order 
> became one of the richest entities in Europe.
> 
> Sadly, whatever amazing boondoggles governments 
> can think up to fuck people over, religions can 
> do better, and chances are they did it first.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Marek Reavis]

Angela, there are bad cops, of course, and planting drugs on suspects 
must happen from time to time, but I haven't ever participated in a 
case where that was a real issue.  If the case is big enough to 
warrant a significant civil forfeiture, however, you're dealing with 
lots and lots of contraband that would be nearly impossible 
to "plant".

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Would they be above planting drugs on someone if they could get 
away with it?  It's an appalling law. 
> 
> Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
>  called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields 
I've 
>  been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy 
the 
>  whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a good 
>  intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
>  essentially create self-funding task forces that receive 
percentages of 
>  property and cash seized from drug arrests.
>  
>  It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who 
profit 
>  from their busts.
>  
>  **
>  
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
>  >
>  > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much dumber:
>  > 
>  > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
>  >
>  
>  
>  
>
> 
>  Send instant messages to your online friends 
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller:
http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521

How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies):
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan

UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036.  Bet 
there is a US one too, bet it is "classified." 6 MB:
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf


Angela Mailander wrote:
> Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher 
> you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what 
> is really going on.  The public work is for sure not all there is.  
>
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote:
>
>
> But 
>   
>>> the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also 
>>> predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 
>>>   
>
> He sounds like quite a guy.
>
>
>
> Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of 
> Masonic scholars, be considered "Anti-Masonry". There was even a prominent 
> political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native 
> Pennsylvania) called the "Anti-Masonry Party". IIRC they even almost got 
> someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe 
> thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in 
> Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic 
> research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's 
> something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular 
> written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a 
> big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern 
> Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly 
> ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the 
> Ancient York Rite, not the
>  Scottish one.
>
>  
>
>
>  Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Shotokan Karate vs Kung Fu

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > You're an idiot. 
> 
> How about cutting the crap with calling me an idiot for disagreeing
> with you.  I am not an idiot bit I do have another POV.>>

You do not have a point of view, you have an inexperienced bullshit 
claim.

> 
> 
> 
> So you have never seen a Shotokan fighter knock someone out?  This
> means you have no evidence for your claim about how powerful it is. 
>>

Bwa ha ha ha. They break blocks, and a Mawashigiri kick would break 
your ribs or stop your heart or collapse your stomache. Only idiots 
use force in a comepition. You are an idiot to think that you can use 
full force in competition. Total bullshit based on total lack of 
experience. You and Barry are entirely inexperienced of you believe 
you can go around striking people hard. Hit someone hard with a 2 by 
4 and see what happens. You're an idiot.


> So where is the evidence of such a claim being true besides you
> asserting it?  There are plenty of fighting sport where people get
> knocked out. >>

That is very dangerous and stupid. 
People get killed or brain-dead with that. 
VERY VERY STUPID and needless to prove skill and power. 
Only stupid people do that, and stupid people think it prooves 
something. Knocking people out or caving their face in, is idiotic 
and stupid and is for children who don't understand martial arts or 
the destructive power of having your ribs broken by a karate kick.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: MMA fighter Vasquez dies weeks after fight

[off_world_beings]

This shows the danger of the martial arts inexperienced free-for-all 
that TurquoiseB has been advocating. 
Instead of using the Shotokan Kmiti style competition where the fight 
is stopped after one strike, and the force of strikes are diluted to 
MINIMUM force by the skill of the expert, he and Curtis have 
suggested the Kmiti competition is not sufficient to test the martial 
arts, and instead it is ok to go around slamming people hard. It 
shows comple inexperience in the topic and  this kind of disgusting 
incident proves the arrogant inexperience of Barry and Curtis when it 
comes to martial arts. There is a reason the experts hit each other 
with very deliberate and precise MINIMAL force to avoid injury and 
unnecessary death, when any halfwit knows if you hit someone hard you 
could injure them or kill them.

Once again Barry, Curtis, and Peter have their ignorance of martial 
arts displayed for all to see. 

Shotokan Kmiti is the only valid form of competition. Minimla force 
through expert apllication, and fights stopped after strike.

OffWorld


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Let's all blame Off. He's the one who's been
> bragging about being able to kill a guy with
> one punch.
> 
> :-)
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Sam Vasquez of Houston may have become the first fighter to die 
from 
> > injuries sustained in mixed martial arts competition in North 
America.
> > 
> > A report by The Fight Network cited the Harris County (Texas) 
medical 
> > examiner's office confirming Vasquez's death at 8:15 p.m. Friday. 
The 
> > cause of death was not released.
> > 
> > Vasquez had been battling for his life since taking a hard right 
to 
> > the chin from 21-year old Vince Libardi on Oct. 20 during a 
Renegades 
> > Extreme Fighting show at the Toyota Center in Houston. The blow 
> > knocked Vasquez out and he was rushed to St. Joseph Medical 
Center, 
> > where he stayed until moving to hospice care on Monday.
> > 
> > Read more:
> > 
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dm-
> > fighterdeath120207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/3d5kyb
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
> 
> In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an article  
> discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
> Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the 
article  
> is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
> Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
that  
> the director intuitively understands the underlying mechanisms of  
> psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where experiential 
and  
> subjective approaches to understanding mental illness have fallen 
out  
> of favour, David Lynch may also offer some insight into the 
feeling  
> of what it is like to suffer from psychosis...>>

Vaj, you are a complete idiot. 
Read it again:
"Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression that 
the director intuitively understands the underlying mechanisms of 
psychotic experience. "

They are defining him as virtually an expert in psychological 
analysis, not a patient , you moron.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
> > > 
> > > In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an 
> article  
> > > discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
> > > Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the
> > > article is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
> > >
> > > Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
> > > that the director intuitively understands the underlying
> > > mechanisms of psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where
> > > experiential and subjective approaches to understanding mental 
> > > illness have fallen out of favour, David Lynch may also offer 
some
> > > insight into the feeling of what it is like to suffer from 
> > > psychosis...
> > 
> > Link to the article itself:
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/ytwlf7
> > 
> > Be a good idea to read the whole thing if what
> > Vaj chose to quote from the BoingBoing post leads
> > you to think the article suggests Lynch portrays
> > psychosis on the basis of his own personal
> > experience thereof (although if you read the quote
> > above with attention, it's clear that isn't what
> > the article says at all).
> >
> 
> **
> 
> I like Lynch's enthusiasm for TM, an enthusiasm which I share, of 
> course, but Lynch, although he is able to enjoy life more through 
TM, 
> is still clearly not a picture of good mental health. His 
> protestations that his (mostly) dark and twisted films have nothing 
> to do with his mental state are obviously not plausible -- artists 
> put themselves into their work, and it's clear that David is not a 
> sunny day (not yet, anyway).
> 
> Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
> puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point 
of 
> his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
> depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
> TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
> These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
> nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might 
indeed 
> be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.>

His personal life seems very stable compared to most. Smoking and 
coffee are not such a big deal.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[Angela Mailander]

Stick to your guns Trinity.  It's amazing to me that people actually believe 
they can diagnose a person based on reading something, seeing a short film, or 
work he has produced.  By their own admission, they do not understand the work, 
so basing a judgment about the man on a misunderstanding of the work is doubly 
suspect. And when you saw the film of the Berlin fiasco, did you see a man in a 
state of anxiety attack?  It was a difficult situation and he saved the day.  
Moreover, he did it with charm, with grace, and without making the raja look 
like a fool, though he had certainly acted like one.

Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   

On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:29 PM, t3rinity wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> **

> Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
> puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
> his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
> depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
> TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
> These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
> nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
> be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.

I am glad we have so many hobby psychologists here. It might be
interesting to you, that some of the most enlightened people on earth
were heavy smokers. Nisargadatta Maharaj comes to mind. Coffee
consumption is neither unusual with enlightened. A friend of mine knew
a Lady saint in India living on coffee alone, not eating any food.

Vaj and Edg might want to do a voice analysis based on this tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU



I always love listening to a fellow Nath trin, thanks!

 
   

 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It was a question, Judy.  Did you call me a Nazi?

No, that wasn't your question. It appeared to
be rhetorical, and it *assumed* I'd called you a
Nazi. Here's what you asked:

"Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two
reasons.  Maybe because you called me a Nazi?"

> Someone on this forum did.  If you did not, then
I apologize for even suggesting it.

I'm on record as being vehemently opposed to
trivializing the term and all the awful baggage
it carries by using it as a casual insult.

I accept your apology, thank you. But I wish you
hadn't tried to wiggle out of having made the
accusation.

I'll get back to the rest of your earlier post
in a bit.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Vaj wrote:


Anti-Masonry Party



Oops, The Anti-Masonic Party, my faux pas.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher 
you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is 
really going on.  The public work is for sure not all there is.  

Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   

On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote:


But 
> > the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also 
> > predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 

He sounds like quite a guy.



Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic 
scholars, be considered "Anti-Masonry". There was even a prominent political 
movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) 
called the "Anti-Masonry Party". IIRC they even almost got someone into the 
White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even 
have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British 
Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that 
caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading 
of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be 
considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike 
fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all 
modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative 
Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the
 Scottish one.

 
   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:29 PM, t3rinity wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


> **

> Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that
> puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of
> his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep
> depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting
> TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years.
> These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a
> nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed
> be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.

I am glad we have so many hobby psychologists here. It might be
interesting to you, that some of the most enlightened people on earth
were heavy smokers. Nisargadatta Maharaj comes to mind. Coffee
consumption is neither unusual with enlightened. A friend of mine knew
a Lady saint in India living on coffee alone, not eating any food.

Vaj and Edg might want to do a voice analysis based on this tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU



I always love listening to a fellow Nath trin, thanks!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:07 PM, bob_brigante wrote:


Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that
puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of
his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep
depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting
TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years.
These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a
nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed
be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.



I suspect he may have an anxiety disorder at least -- and I gotta tell  
ya, coffee is a common precipitator of anxiety disorder and/or panic  
attacks.

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[t3rinity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> **
 
> Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
> puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
> his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
> depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
> TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
> These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
> nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
> be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.

I am glad we have so many hobby psychologists here. It might be
interesting to you, that some of the most enlightened people on earth
were heavy smokers. Nisargadatta Maharaj comes to mind. Coffee
consumption is neither unusual with enlightened. A friend of mine knew
a Lady saint in India living on coffee alone, not eating any food.

Vaj and Edg might want to do a voice analysis based on this tape:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote:



But
> > the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he  
also

> > predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened.

He sounds like quite a guy.



Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view  
of Masonic scholars, be considered "Anti-Masonry". There was even a  
prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly  
prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the "Anti-Masonry Party".  
IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic  
scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have  
several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the  
British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research  
societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's  
something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his  
popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But  
then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm  
from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all  
modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old  
Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish  
one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: BREAKING: U.S. Says Iran Ended Atomic Arms Work in 2003

[Richard J. Williams]

Judy wrote:
> U.S. Says Iran Ended Atomic Arms Work in 2003
>
"Despite the suspension of its weapons program, Tehran 
may ultimately be difficult to dissuade from developing 
a nuclear bomb because Iran believes such a weapon would 
give it leverage to achieve its national security and 
foreign policy goals, the assessment concluded."

Full story:

'US: Iran still able to develop nukes'
By Pamela Hess
Associated Press, December 3, 2007
http://tinyurl.com/2zvadb

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Concentration Camp Tortures (was Re: Mulholland Drive)

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> But since Nabby has started the ball rolling, I think
> it would be a hoot to ask if others here can think
> of some other cool tortures that would be used in a 
> TM concentration camp. We've heard Nabby's hilarious
> idea -- what are some others?
Apparently Angelo Badalamenti film scores would work.

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch and Psychosis

[bob_brigante]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/11/01/david-lynch-and-psyc.html
> > 
> > In May, the science journal The Psychologist published an 
article  
> > discussing the psychology of psychosis in the context of David  
> > Lynch's last film, Inland Empire (2006). The full text of the
> > article is now online. From "David Lynch and Psychosis":
> >
> > Watching a David Lynch film can give the viewer the impression 
> > that the director intuitively understands the underlying
> > mechanisms of psychotic experience. Furthermore, in an age where
> > experiential and subjective approaches to understanding mental 
> > illness have fallen out of favour, David Lynch may also offer some
> > insight into the feeling of what it is like to suffer from 
> > psychosis...
> 
> Link to the article itself:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ytwlf7
> 
> Be a good idea to read the whole thing if what
> Vaj chose to quote from the BoingBoing post leads
> you to think the article suggests Lynch portrays
> psychosis on the basis of his own personal
> experience thereof (although if you read the quote
> above with attention, it's clear that isn't what
> the article says at all).
>

**

I like Lynch's enthusiasm for TM, an enthusiasm which I share, of 
course, but Lynch, although he is able to enjoy life more through TM, 
is still clearly not a picture of good mental health. His 
protestations that his (mostly) dark and twisted films have nothing 
to do with his mental state are obviously not plausible -- artists 
put themselves into their work, and it's clear that David is not a 
sunny day (not yet, anyway).

Lynch drinks 20 cups of coffee a day (a level of caffeination that 
puts him into the range consumed by Brian Wilson at the low point of 
his craziness, trying to float his personality through a deep 
depression), and although he quit smoking some time after starting 
TM, he resumed a packaday habit after going without for 20 years. 
These habits are unusual for a longterm TMer and are markers of a 
nervous system so strongly stressed and twisted that it might indeed 
be fairly characterized as borderline psychotic.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Richard J. Williams]

Peter wrote:
> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
> disturbing crap. Why people think he is some kind of
> genius is beyond me. Almost all of his work expresses
> such emotional anguish and such deep confusion and
> conflict. These are places i usually only visit with
> my most disturbed clients. Why he glorifies these
> psychic hells is beyond me. And this is the guy who is
> the elite spokes person for the TMO. Oy vay! Do the
> Rajas get special screening of his works? 
> 
Quack!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Conspiracy -- What are you talking about!

[Angela Mailander]

Good post.
But it should go without saying that the minute a culture makes a term taboo, 
an intelligent person takes a closer look.  When Bush said in a speech, "We 
must never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories," I immediately ask myself, 
"Why not? Don't we have free speech? And as long as they are theories, whom do 
they hurt? Any scientific truth starts with a theory.  But it doesn't end 
there.  We look for evidence.  Making a term like "conspiracy theory" taboo 
tends to stop people from looking for the evidence that would move the thing 
under investigation from a theory to a fact. 

"new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
Conspiracy" has such broad implications and connotations. 
 
 Kids can conspire to get their parents to go to a movie. Or titans can
 (allegedly) to "conspire" to create world wars, kill presidents, and
 create disasters. 
 
 It may help for a further, better definition of ones terms when
 suggesting a conspiracy.
 
 "Conspiracy may refer to
 
 * An act of two or more parties working together to combine in
 such a way as to achieve a particular result often one of harm or
 inconvenience to a third party. Secrecy is not necessary for there to
 be a conspiracy. However, some 'unknown' may be involved.[1]
 
 * A group of people who make an agreement to form a partnership in
 which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member
 and engage in planning or agreeing to commit some act.[2]
 
 * An act of working in secret to obtain some goal, usually
 understood with negative connotations."
 
 The Democrats are conspiring to elect Hillary. Whew. Call the  press! 
 
 A company conspires to  get people to buy its product.
 
 Schools conspire to teach kids.
 
 Businesses develop elaborate strategies, in secret, to accomplish
 things. Most quite legal, if not innocuous. 
 
 While these don't necessarily have negative intents, they are often
 plans, in "secret" -- that is not well known to others, in which
 several or even many are involved, to accomplish something. Are they
 conspiracies. or how nefarious does a secret strategy need to be to
 become a conspiracy. Freemasons strategize in secret.  Is what they
 write about conspiracies itself a conspiracy? or a public service?
 
 Another issue with "conspiracy" is the degree of credibility. Some
 "conspiracies" -- not the best word to use IMO -- but that fit the
 above defs, can have high credibility. Or it can have zilch. Mobsters
 commit conspiracy in crime. RICO and all. Political parties do some
 dirty "conspiracy" shit in their horse-trading and strategies.  Its
 done behind closed doors. Some nefarious as hell. Some simply a plan
 to accomplish strategy.
 
 An take corporate strategy. Often secret. Often not nefarious. Unless
 one is so out of it they see any earning of profits as nefarious.
 
 Growing up with the JFK, UFO, "conspiracies", makes me a bit jaded to
 talk of "no plane hit the pentagon" conspiracies. Yet the US entry
 into Iraq was a "conspiracy" of the highest and quite credible and
 established order. Because one "conspiracy" is true, does not in any
 way imply that others are. As some some imply. There seems to be a
 lack of credibility ranking. I give Roswell some probability of being
 true. And I give the "conspiracy" of tobacco firms to dupe smokers,
 teens and the government, about 100,000,000 greater probability of
 being true. 
 
 How nefarious? How credible? These are good questions to ask and
 answer when using loaded terms like "conspiracy". IMO.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because
 he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up.  But
 the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also
 predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would
 that carry any weight with her?  Moreover, he studied at Harvard. 
 > 
 > Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   The
 first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned 
 >  all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it 
 >  back in the 1800's.  But Judy would have dismissed that one out of
 hand 
 >  as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans valued his 
 >  advice.
 >  
 >  Angela Mailander wrote:
 >  > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two
 reasons.  Maybe because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past
 history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation,
 and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just
 your style of interacting with people.  Indeed, I've seen you do it
 with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at
 them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply uncultured behavior
 and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  
 >  >
 >  > The second reason I hesitated to give you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Richard J. Williams]

> > We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after 
> > Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. 
> >
Bhairitu wrote:  
> She didn't kick my "but".
>
Whipped it; whipped it good.
 
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
From: Delia 
Date: Sun, Sep 26 2004 2:44 pm
Subject: Re: Neocon delusions
http://tinyurl.com/ys3spw

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

He was a Satanist, but it should be noted that to him, Lucifer, as the name 
says, was the Prince of Light who was on the side of mankind, while the Old 
Testament god seemed cruel and evil to him--Blake would have agreed.  The Old 
Testament god is forever smiting folks for no good reason. Be that as it may, 
Pike was certainly not a boring character. 

One of the problems with history as taught by the academic establishment is 
that they give you the impression that wars are fought to defeat nations.  
Wars, instead, are planned and fought to create certain conditions.  

"new.morning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
 
 But  
 > > the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also  
 > > predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 
 
 He sounds like quite a guy.
 
 "Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and
 the architects of the New World Order.   In the 19th Century Albert
 Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order.
 .
 
 More than a hundred years ago, a known Satanist and leading Freemason
 may have anticipated the recent events in London. Albert Pike's plan
 was to foment three world wars with the third and final war opening
 the way for the introduction of a new global faith, a religion that
 would have Lucifer as its idol.
 
 Diabolically inspired, Pike's vision was to pit Muslim's against Jews
 and Christians across the planet and with the outrages in London, and
 the media's portrayal of elements of Islam as "extremist", one has to
 wonder whether we are not seeing Pike's plan come to pass.
 
 After all, investigations into the atrocities are being led by some of
 Britain's top policemen many of whom are thought to be Freemasons.
 Indeed, membership and participation in Freemasonry is considered the
 prime criteria in promotion in Britain's police force. Could they be
 following a plan first outlined by modern Freemasonry's founder,
 Albert Pike?
 
 Given this, and the fact that Britain has seen a massive influx of
 various faiths and races, could this indeed be the first sparks of
 what is intended to be a global conflagration? We leave you to decide...
 
 ...
 
 In 1869, he [Pike] was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.
 
 Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he
 apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with
 whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a
 Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign
 Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism
 had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth
 century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the
 inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium
 of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of
 Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to
 establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently
 chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd
 parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council
 is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges
 of the World.
 
 Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the
 New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). 
 
 ..
 
 Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a
 former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and
 spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy
 (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the
 Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with
 Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree
 Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree
 Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a
 Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together. 
 
 ...
 
 Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on
 May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western
 countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret
 society whose name means "Enlightened Ones".  Although the Order was
 founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas,
 Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual
 character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order
 became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.
 
 An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd
 degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide
 operations in 1834.  (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). 
 Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian
 government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies
 for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's mona

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paris is burning

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> It always warms my heart when I read how racist and troubled France 
> is.>>

I bet it warms you heart to have the highest prison population per 
capita in the worldand to have illegal prisons such as Guantanamo. 
France is no America, that's for sure.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[new . morning]

But  
> > the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also  
> > predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. 



He sounds like quite a guy.

"Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and
the architects of the New World Order.   In the 19th Century Albert
Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order.
.

More than a hundred years ago, a known Satanist and leading Freemason
may have anticipated the recent events in London. Albert Pike's plan
was to foment three world wars with the third and final war opening
the way for the introduction of a new global faith, a religion that
would have Lucifer as its idol.

Diabolically inspired, Pike's vision was to pit Muslim's against Jews
and Christians across the planet and with the outrages in London, and
the media's portrayal of elements of Islam as "extremist", one has to
wonder whether we are not seeing Pike's plan come to pass.

After all, investigations into the atrocities are being led by some of
Britain's top policemen many of whom are thought to be Freemasons.
Indeed, membership and participation in Freemasonry is considered the
prime criteria in promotion in Britain's police force. Could they be
following a plan first outlined by modern Freemasonry's founder,
Albert Pike?

Given this, and the fact that Britain has seen a massive influx of
various faiths and races, could this indeed be the first sparks of
what is intended to be a global conflagration? We leave you to decide...



...

In 1869, he [Pike] was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he
apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with
whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a
Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign
Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism
had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth
century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the
inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium
of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of
Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to
establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently
chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd
parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council
is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges
of the World.

Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the
New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). 

..

Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a
former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and
spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy
(1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the
Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with
Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree
Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree
Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a
Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together. 

...

Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on
May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western
countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret
society whose name means "Enlightened Ones".  Although the Order was
founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas,
Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual
character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order
became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd
degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide
operations in 1834.  (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). 
Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian
government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies
for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's monarchies.  As
the secrets of the Illuminati were revealed, they were persecuted and
eventually disbanded, only to re-establish themselves in the depths of
other organizations, of which Freemasonry was one.

During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now
formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was
fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by
Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the
transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking
Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head
the Illuminati's American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of
such a task. Mazzini's intention was that once a mason had made his
way 

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Concentration Camp Tortures (was Re: Mulholland Drive)

[Angela Mailander]

Listening to the satvic voices men and women affect all the time gives me the 
willies and makes me want to shout four letter words at the top of my lungs as 
an antidote.

TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Read my lips:
 > When the TM-ers brake loose from Vaj's private concentrationcamp 
 > they will put him in a cell with plenty of fresh air, expose him to 
 > 8 hours of Maharishi Channel, 8 hours of real Rig-ved chanting (not 
 > the mumbojumbo Bhuddist stuff he believe is chanting), all the Pitta 
 > balancing food he can digest until he begs on his knees for 
 > instruction in knowledge. Then, and only when all his doshas are in 
 > perfect balance and and he has stopped lying, Vaj has become so 
 > utterly boring that he will never even dream of creating any piece 
 > of art, he will receive instruction in real meditation. :-)
 
 Shit.
 
 Just when I was about to follow up on this morning's
 post in which I suggested that TM TBs might actually
 *enjoy* being incarcerated with a list of the tortures
 they might have to endure there, Nabby of all people 
 beats me to the punch with a funnier and far worse 
 torture.  :-)
 
 The worst I was able to think up was Panchaboarding,
 where the prisoner is dunked in a tub of sesame oil.
 
 Nabby's suggestion is far worse...pure evil.  :-)
 
 But since Nabby has started the ball rolling, I think
 it would be a hoot to ask if others here can think
 of some other cool tortures that would be used in a 
 TM concentration camp. We've heard Nabby's hilarious
 idea -- what are some others?
 
 Those of you who have bailed from the TMO, or live at 
 some comfortable distance from it, what are the things 
 that they could torture you with in a TM concentration 
 camp? And which ones of them could you laugh off, and
 which would push you right over the edge?
 
 For me, I think that forcing me to sit in a room with 
 no furniture in it, only foam mats on the floor covered 
 with sheets that hadn't been washed in far too long, 
 and forcing me to listen to stories about green flowing 
 soma and cows -- lots and lots of cows -- all read to me 
 by guys speaking in a sober, holy monotone might break me. 
 
 But a close runner up would be serving me brussel sprouts 
 every night for dinner. That violated the Geneva Convention 
 the first time I had to endure it, and I don't think I 
 could survive it again. I'd spill the beans about the 
 international plot to diss TM and how much we get paid a 
 month by the CIA and even how many weeks of vacation we
 get a year by the second night.
 
 :-)
 
 
 
   

 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

[FairfieldLife] Conspiracy -- What are you talking about!

[new . morning]

Conspiracy" has such broad implications and connotations. 

Kids can conspire to get their parents to go to a movie. Or titans can
(allegedly) to "conspire" to create world wars, kill presidents, and
create disasters. 

It may help for a further, better definition of ones terms when
suggesting a conspiracy.



"Conspiracy may refer to

* An act of two or more parties working together to combine in
such a way as to achieve a particular result often one of harm or
inconvenience to a third party. Secrecy is not necessary for there to
be a conspiracy. However, some 'unknown' may be involved.[1]

* A group of people who make an agreement to form a partnership in
which each member becomes the agent or partner of every other member
and engage in planning or agreeing to commit some act.[2]

* An act of working in secret to obtain some goal, usually
understood with negative connotations."


The Democrats are conspiring to elect Hillary. Whew. Call the  press! 

A company conspires to  get people to buy its product.

Schools conspire to teach kids.

Businesses develop elaborate strategies, in secret, to accomplish
things. Most quite legal, if not innocuous. 

While these don't necessarily have negative intents, they are often
plans, in "secret" -- that is not well known to others, in which
several or even many are involved, to accomplish something. Are they
conspiracies. or how nefarious does a secret strategy need to be to
become a conspiracy. Freemasons strategize in secret.  Is what they
write about conspiracies itself a conspiracy? or a public service?

Another issue with "conspiracy" is the degree of credibility. Some
"conspiracies" -- not the best word to use IMO -- but that fit the
above defs, can have high credibility. Or it can have zilch. Mobsters
commit conspiracy in crime. RICO and all. Political parties do some
dirty "conspiracy" shit in their horse-trading and strategies.  Its
done behind closed doors. Some nefarious as hell. Some simply a plan
to accomplish strategy.

An take corporate strategy. Often secret. Often not nefarious. Unless
one is so out of it they see any earning of profits as nefarious.

Growing up with the JFK, UFO, "conspiracies", makes me a bit jaded to
talk of "no plane hit the pentagon" conspiracies. Yet the US entry
into Iraq was a "conspiracy" of the highest and quite credible and
established order. Because one "conspiracy" is true, does not in any
way imply that others are. As some some imply. There seems to be a
lack of credibility ranking. I give Roswell some probability of being
true. And I give the "conspiracy" of tobacco firms to dupe smokers,
teens and the government, about 100,000,000 greater probability of
being true. 

How nefarious? How credible? These are good questions to ask and
answer when using loaded terms like "conspiracy". IMO.







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because
he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up.  But
the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also
predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would
that carry any weight with her?  Moreover, he studied at Harvard. 
> 
> Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   The
first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned 
>  all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it 
>  back in the 1800's.  But Judy would have dismissed that one out of
hand 
>  as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans valued his 
>  advice.
>  
>  Angela Mailander wrote:
>  > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two
reasons.  Maybe because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past
history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation,
and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just
your style of interacting with people.  Indeed, I've seen you do it
with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at
them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply uncultured behavior
and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  
>  >
>  > The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked
for historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. 
Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate  substitute for ten
years' worth of  scholarly research, and only someone who is not a
scholar would even ask such a thing.  Giving you just a few names (or
sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism.  
>  >
>  > If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would
be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you
might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am.
 But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity
that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. 
>  >
>  > The history of Nazi Germany has been su

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:

Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because  
he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up.  But  
the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also  
predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would  
that carry any weight with her?  Moreover, he studied at Harvard.



He also was one of the most blatant plagiarizers I've read. He lifted  
whole sections of English translation (from the French) of Eliphas  
Levi, among others. It's only in the last decade or so that we have  
several scholarly and impeccable biographies and studies on Pike. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a 
Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up.  But the thing about Pike 
is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII 
accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her?  
Moreover, he studied at Harvard. 

Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   The first 
reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned 
 all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it 
 back in the 1800's.  But Judy would have dismissed that one out of hand 
 as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans valued his 
 advice.
 
 Angela Mailander wrote:
 > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two reasons.  Maybe 
 > because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past history in which you have 
 > behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that 
 > it isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people.  
 > Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when 
 > it is directed at them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply 
 > uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  
 >
 > The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for 
 > historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar.  Giving you a 
 > few sources is an utterly inadequate  substitute for ten years' worth of  
 > scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask 
 > such a thing.  Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely 
 > open to adverse criticism.  
 >
 > If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be 
 > different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid 
 > some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am.  But I do not get 
 > the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to 
 > vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. 
 >
 > The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic 
 > historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their 
 > work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods.  If you really were 
 > seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the 
 > possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, 
 > then I would begin with Gary Allen's "The Rockefeller Papers" and with 
 > Anthony Sutton's "Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler."  His "Wallstreet and 
 > the Bolshevik Revolution" would be another good choice.   But again, these 
 > two men would be a bare bones beginning.  You could not draw any hard 
 > conclusions based on their work alone.  At a minimum, you would not only 
 > have to read their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, 
 > as I have done.  This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's 
 > work.  Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of 
 > work in order to learn that
 I
 >  am not just talking through my hat.  Yet, there is no other way to 
 > determine whether or not I am.  
 >
 > A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can 
 > present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also 
 > includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got 
 > me where I am.  So why talk about it at all?  Because we are in danger as I 
 > write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late.  But 
 > still there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a 
 > fascist regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi 
 > Wolf details are crude.  By the time such things happen, it is almost too 
 > late.  What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads 
 > up to it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain 
 > to see right in front of their eyes?  
 >   
 
 
 
   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sadly, this is FFL

[Bhairitu]

Duveyoung wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/27e4ha
>
> It's not worth it to actually take this very far, but just for
> funzies, while you're watching it, see if you can decide which
> character you think you are in this video.
>
> I have played more than one of these characters, and that's not a good
> thingy.
>
> Edg
Great video!  I'm going to send the link to some of my cohorts at a 
company where we sat through many "cluster fucks" in the boardroom.  :D

However this video hardly resembles FFL.  It resembles blog comments 
where often a lot of teens (and maybe a few aging boomers) will post 
such comments.  But hey the teens have to have some outlet since we've 
taken away their dance halls that we used to frequent when we were their 
age (blame insurance companies).  There are no teens here that I can 
tell.  Maybe just a few old TM'ers who when Maharishi said to pick an 
age (usually young) and keep it in your mind to slow the aging process 
they picked "12".  :D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Paris is burning

[Duveyoung]

During the Detroit riots, 43 years ago, I worked full eight hour days
in a factory that was mere blocks from the "zone."  I heard gunshots 
all day long.  Most of Detroit was "peaceful," . except.

Bruegel's "Landscape with the Fall of Icarus" is the lesson here. 
http://tinyurl.com/ysavuh

"Obla Di, Obla Da, Life Goes On." The masses are kept uninformed, and
they couldn't care less about that fact.  Battles are "contained" by
spin, regional news blackouts, and if that isn't doing the trick then
we get your standard "police attack" ala the one outside the
Democratic Convention in 1968.

Those power fuckers play hardball.

Vote Kucinich! 

Edg

About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters; how well, they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully
along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.

-- W. H. Auden


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Ahem. 
> >
> > Shemp's reason for posting this propaganda is in the 
> > introductory sentence -- it always "warms his heart"
> > to feel to superior to people in another country. It 
> > doesn't matter to him whether the article putting down 
> > the people in the other country he'd like to feel
> > superior to is true, just so long as he can post 
> > it and feel superior.
> >
> > The thing is, I was THERE in Paris last week, not far
> > from where these riots were happening. My POV on the 
> > subject is that this is a MEDIA event more than a real 
> > one. Not much really HAPPENED, but the media are 
> > reporting it as if it did.
> >   
> Reminds me of the People's Park stuff in Berkeley back in the
1960's.  I 
> went walking by the place which occupies *part* of a block in Berkeley 
> while it was going on.  You'd think by the way the press was covering 
> all of Berkeley was under siege.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[curtisdeltablues]

I'm reading a book called Dry Manhattan, Prohibition in New York City.
 It is such a strong parallel to what is going on now with an
important exception.  Because of the depression, society got sick
really quickly of financing an unwinnable war which creates a mobster
underground making untaxible billions. The same issues of black market
impurities causing more health issues than the drug itself happened
back then also with private stills cranking out some nasty stuff.

Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n canned heat kill'n me
Cry'n Mama, Mama, Mama, cry'n Sterno is kill'n me
If canned heat don't kill me, I believe I'll never die.

Sterno strained through bread was a favorite drink.  Only problem was
is was wood alcohol, not grain alcohol.  



  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
> called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields I've 
> been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy the 
> whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a good 
> intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
> essentially create self-funding task forces that receive percentages of 
> property and cash seized from drug arrests.
> 
> It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who profit 
> from their busts.
> 
> **
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much dumber:
> > 
> > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Ward 4 Runoff Election Tuesday Dec. 4th-Vote for Martha Norbeck

[Dick Mays]

From: "Bill Blackmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ward 4 Runoff Election Tuesday Dec. 4th-Vote for Martha Norbeck
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:12:03 -0600

Dear Quiet Train Supporters,
We want to urge everyone who lives in the 4th Ward to turn out and 
vote for Martha Norbeck.  There is a runoff since no single candidate 
finished with at least 50% of the vote.  The runoff is between Martha 
Norbeck and Karen Rubey.  As Martha herself points out, Karen Rubey 
would make a good City Council member, but we believe Martha is the 
best choice for those who support the quiet zone. 

If you cannot vote on Tues. Dec. 4th, go to the Courthouse Monday and 
cast your ballot.  This election will be all about turnout.  If you 
live in the 4th Ward, or have friends or family who do, be sure and 
get out and vote.  Although the quiet zone has already been approved, 
we have to plan in case we have to go back before the City Council 
for some sort of  change in the plan for the quiet zone.  If this 
happens, we need Martha Norbeck representing the 4th Ward. 

REMEMBER, NOW THAT THE QUIET ZONE IS APPROVED, ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY. 
THROUGH OUR TROPICAL RAFFLE AND OTHER FUND RAISING, WE HAVE TO COME 
UP WITH A LOT OF MONEY, CLOSE TO $100,000.  BUY YOUR TICKETS BY 
SENDING A CHECK TO PO BOX 2302, STOPPING AT REVS, THYMELY SOLUTIONS, 
OR SMALL PLANET RESTAURANT AND BAKERY, OR BY CALLING 1-800-507-1882 
TO PAY BY CREDIT CARD.  OUR MOTTO REGARDING THE RAFFLE IS BUY EARLY, 
AND BUY OFTEN!  THE FINAL DRAWING WILL BE HELD ON SAT. MARCH 1ST OF 
2008. 


Thanks for your support and DON'T FORGET TO VOTE IF YOU LIVE IN THE 4TH WARD!

Regards,  Bill Blackmore

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote:

That's funny, I was thinking what a "fussbudget" Judy is becoming  
these

days (some would say she's always been one) and Schultz himself
characterized Lucy as a "fussbudget." :)

So Judy, do you really want to be perceived as a "fussbudget?" :D



Too late. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

The first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned 
all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it 
back in the 1800's.  But Judy would have dismissed that one out of hand 
as being "wacko conspiracy stuff" even if wealthy Europeans valued his 
advice.

Angela Mailander wrote:
> Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two reasons.  Maybe 
> because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past history in which you have 
> behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it 
> isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people.  
> Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when 
> it is directed at them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply 
> uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  
>
> The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for 
> historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar.  Giving you a few 
> sources is an utterly inadequate  substitute for ten years' worth of  
> scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such 
> a thing.  Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open 
> to adverse criticism.  
>
> If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be 
> different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid 
> some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am.  But I do not get 
> the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to 
> vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. 
>
> The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic 
> historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their 
> work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods.  If you really were 
> seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the 
> possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then 
> I would begin with Gary Allen's "The Rockefeller Papers" and with Anthony 
> Sutton's "Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler."  His "Wallstreet and the 
> Bolshevik Revolution" would be another good choice.   But again, these two 
> men would be a bare bones beginning.  You could not draw any hard conclusions 
> based on their work alone.  At a minimum, you would not only have to read 
> their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have 
> done.  This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work.  
> Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in 
> order to learn that I
>  am not just talking through my hat.  Yet, there is no other way to determine 
> whether or not I am.  
>
> A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can 
> present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also 
> includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got 
> me where I am.  So why talk about it at all?  Because we are in danger as I 
> write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late.  But still 
> there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist 
> regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf 
> details are crude.  By the time such things happen, it is almost too late.  
> What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to 
> it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see 
> right in front of their eyes?  
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> It's like Lucy sweetly inviting Charley Brown
> to kick the football. 
>
> What sane person would believe that Lucy is
> really going to hold the football for him this
> time, when for *years* it's always been a 
> "setup" for someone intent on making him look 
> stupid?
>
> Same with Judy's intent. It's pretty much a 
> GIVEN. One doesn't need to know the specifics
> of it, because as she herself said, the subtle
> *intent* of her "setups" come through loud 
> and clear in the written language, just as it
> would in verbal language. Just as no one sane 
> would believe that Lucy really wants Charley 
> Brown to kick the football, no matter how 
> sweetly she tried to disguise the intent 
> behind the invitation, no one sane who has 
> watched Judy's style over the years would 
> believe that she really wants a real conver-
> sation when she pretends to be asking for one. 
> She's just setting the victim up for another of
> her attempts at either belittling them or
> putting them down or casting doubt on their
> integrity. 
>   
That's funny, I was thinking what a "fussbudget"  Judy is becoming these 
days (some would say she's always been one) and Schultz himself 
characterized Lucy as a "fussbudget."  :)

So Judy, do you really want to be perceived as a "fussbudget?"  :D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paris is burning

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> Ahem. 
>
> Shemp's reason for posting this propaganda is in the 
> introductory sentence -- it always "warms his heart"
> to feel to superior to people in another country. It 
> doesn't matter to him whether the article putting down 
> the people in the other country he'd like to feel
> superior to is true, just so long as he can post 
> it and feel superior.
>
> The thing is, I was THERE in Paris last week, not far
> from where these riots were happening. My POV on the 
> subject is that this is a MEDIA event more than a real 
> one. Not much really HAPPENED, but the media are 
> reporting it as if it did.
>   
Reminds me of the People's Park stuff in Berkeley back in the 1960's.  I 
went walking by the place which occupies *part* of a block in Berkeley 
while it was going on.  You'd think by the way the press was covering 
all of Berkeley was under siege.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> authfriend wrote:
>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>>   
> 
>   
 I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years
 so my POV comes with experience.
 
 
>>> And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi
>>> of being able to determine why I post what I post
>>> without knowing *what* I've posted.
>>>   
>> "For the record" Judy, I read the thread.
>> 
>
> Don't think so...
>
>   
>> And I was not commenting at all about "why" you post.
>> 
>
> Yes, you were. You wrote, "Judy is just trying to
> drag you down and make you waste messages on a
> reply."
>   
That's your "tactic", not a "why." Do you feel this is your "why?"
> I'm really getting tired of your misrepresentations,
> Bhairitu.
>
>   
Do you want to continue feeling this way?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Angela Mailander]

Would they be above planting drugs on someone if they could get away with it?  
It's an appalling law. 

Marek Reavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   Thanks 
for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
 called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields I've 
 been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy the 
 whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a good 
 intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
 essentially create self-funding task forces that receive percentages of 
 property and cash seized from drug arrests.
 
 It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who profit 
 from their busts.
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much dumber:
 > 
 > http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
 >
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] How Many Republicans....

[Bhairitu]

How many Republicans does it take to screw in a light bulb?
.
.
.
.
.
Answer: None.  Republicans screw in Men's rooms.  :)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Think the war in Iraq is stupid?

[Marek Reavis]

Thanks for posting this piece, Bob.  Seeing firsthand how this so-
called war is fought, at least on the jurisdictional battlefields I've 
been in, is a scary eye-opener to just how ineffective and crazy the 
whole enterprise is.  One of the very worst examples of how a good 
intention goes terribly bad is the asset forfeiture laws that 
essentially create self-funding task forces that receive percentages of 
property and cash seized from drug arrests.

It makes these multi-agency task forces into freebooters who profit 
from their busts.

**



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Think the war in Iraq is stupid? The war on drugs is much dumber:
> 
> http://www.slate.com/id/2178795/
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] TM Concentration Camp Tortures (was Re: Mulholland Drive)

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:18 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


But since Nabby has started the ball rolling, I think
it would be a hoot to ask if others here can think
of some other cool tortures that would be used in a
TM concentration camp. We've heard Nabby's hilarious
idea -- what are some others?


Carnatic music, 24/7 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

It was a question, Judy.  Did you call me a Nazi?  Someone on this forum did.  
If you did not, then I apologize for even suggesting it.  The substantive 
message underneath is that you did insult me gratuitously on a number of 
occasions, and I am therefore suspicious of you.  I've seen you set others up.  
I will not document this because it would entail the work of going through past 
posts.  I am going on an impression that I have formed on the basis of your 
interaction with me and with others.  I happen to agree with you on your recent 
and, possibly, ongoing critique of Vaj, but your manner is still rude and 
inappropriate.  

authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two reasons.  
 Maybe because you called me a Nazi?
 
 I *beg* your pardon? Document this, please, before
 we go any further.
 
 
 
   

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[FairfieldLife] TM Concentration Camp Tortures (was Re: Mulholland Drive)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Read my lips:
> When the TM-ers brake loose from Vaj's private concentrationcamp 
> they will put him in a cell with plenty of fresh air, expose him to 
> 8 hours of Maharishi Channel, 8 hours of real Rig-ved chanting (not 
> the mumbojumbo Bhuddist stuff he believe is chanting), all the Pitta 
> balancing food he can digest until he begs on his knees for 
> instruction in knowledge. Then, and only when all his doshas are in 
> perfect balance and and he has stopped lying, Vaj has become so 
> utterly boring that he will never even dream of creating any piece 
> of art, he will receive instruction in real meditation. :-)

Shit.

Just when I was about to follow up on this morning's
post in which I suggested that TM TBs might actually
*enjoy* being incarcerated with a list of the tortures
they might have to endure there, Nabby of all people 
beats me to the punch with a funnier and far worse 
torture.  :-)

The worst I was able to think up was Panchaboarding,
where the prisoner is dunked in a tub of sesame oil.

Nabby's suggestion is far worse...pure evil.  :-)

But since Nabby has started the ball rolling, I think
it would be a hoot to ask if others here can think
of some other cool tortures that would be used in a 
TM concentration camp. We've heard Nabby's hilarious
idea -- what are some others?

Those of you who have bailed from the TMO, or live at 
some comfortable distance from it, what are the things 
that they could torture you with in a TM concentration 
camp? And which ones of them could you laugh off, and
which would push you right over the edge?

For me, I think that forcing me to sit in a room with 
no furniture in it, only foam mats on the floor covered 
with sheets that hadn't been washed in far too long, 
and forcing me to listen to stories about green flowing 
soma and cows -- lots and lots of cows -- all read to me 
by guys speaking in a sober, holy monotone might break me. 

But a close runner up would be serving me brussel sprouts 
every night for dinner. That violated the Geneva Convention 
the first time I had to endure it, and I don't think I 
could survive it again. I'd spill the beans about the 
international plot to diss TM and how much we get paid a 
month by the CIA and even how many weeks of vacation we
get a year by the second night.

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he 
was
> > > > equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he 
suddenly
> > > > get cured of his vata imbalance? Like any artist, he simply
> > > > assumes a different narrative stance for different works.
> > >
> > > I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
> > > to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
> > > great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
> > > so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
> > > him.
> > 
> > Another lie from Judy.
> 
> Well, that's two lies from Vaj in a mere
> four words.
> 
> As Vaj knows, I don't lie. I haven't lied
> before, and I wasn't lying here.
> 
> > Actually I never said that.
> 
> And, of course, I never *said* Vaj said that.
> The word I used was "portrayed." There are lots
> of ways to portray something a certain way
> without actually articulating it, including by
> misleading one's audience.
> 
> In this case, Vaj's interesting term
> "meditational disorder," given that Lynch is a
> TMer, was obviously intended to suggest--without
> actually saying so--that Lynch's purported
> "imbalance" is caused by TM.
> 
> So Vaj's denial here is another lie.
> 
> And here comes yet another one:
> 
> > I indicated that's it's likely a condition
> > that existed before TM
> 
> Here's what Vaj said:
> 
> "In Lynch there are clear signs of vata derangement and IMO, very 
> likely, an underlying yogic disorder. This probably precedes his 
> involvement in TM, but would certainly be exacerbated by anything 
> that tweaks or increases vata-dosha."
> 
> The clear implication is that Lynch had a
> predisposition to "vata derangement" prior
> to starting TM, but that it had been 
> exacerbated *by* TM into a "yogic" (or, later,
> "meditational") disorder. Hard to imagine a
> yogic or meditational disorder developing in
> someone who didn't meditate.
> 
> And we know Vaj believes TM and the TM-Sidhi
> program brings about "vata derangement."
> 
> OK, ready for another lie from Vaj?
> 
> > and that he had actually improved over time!
> 
> 
> 
> Vaj attributed Lynch's "improvement" not to TM,
> but to panchakarma:
> 
> "I will say one thing, it does seem to have improved somewhat over 
> the years. He's probably doing ongoing PK thru the movement, which 
> provides an excellent level of care and service (although 
> exorbitantly expensive)."
> 
> > Now whether or not TM has truly helped the condition is a good  
> > question. He claims it has. Maybe you buy that, maybe you don't.
> 
> Of course, like any skilled propagandist, he
> pretends to be uncertain about the conclusion
> he has attempted to mislead his audience to 
> draw--a show of open-mindedness designed to give,
> as Pooh-Bah assures Ko-Ko in "The Mikado,"
> "artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald
> and unconvincing narrative."
> 
> Whenever Vaj accuses somebody--especially me--of
> lying, it's time to pay *very* close attention 
> indeed to his claims.

Read my lips:
When the TM-ers brake loose from Vaj's private concentrationcamp 
they will put him in a cell with plenty of fresh air, expose him to 
8 hours of Maharishi Channel, 8 hours of real Rig-ved chanting (not 
the mumbojumbo Bhuddist stuff he believe is chanting), all the Pitta 
balancing food he can digest until he begs on his knees for 
instruction in knowledge. Then, and only when all his doshas are in 
perfect balance and and he has stopped lying, Vaj has become so 
utterly boring that he will never even dream of creating any piece 
of art, he will receive instruction in real meditation. :-)

[FairfieldLife] BREAKING: U.S. Says Iran Ended Atomic Arms Work in 2003

[authfriend]

This is a front-page banner headline in the NY Times.

"WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — A new assessment by American intelligence 
agencies concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 
and that the program remains on hold, contradicting an assessment two 
years ago that Tehran was working inexorably toward building a bomb."

Read the article at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/world/middleeast/03cnd-iran.html?hp

http://tinyurl.com/2bxuuc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two reasons.  
Maybe because you called me a Nazi?

I *beg* your pardon? Document this, please, before
we go any further.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:14 PM, new.morning wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> No that's not what I wanted folks to think

How can you want others to think a certain way. Thoughts just come.

(or as a friend of mine use to say -- "thoughts just cum". But she was
a pervert. :) )



Who knows where Judy comes up with this stuff? Apparently a number of  
us make it a hobby to tinker with the collective thought-field of the  
planet in an effort to manipulate public opinion, I dunno. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > >

> > > > I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
> > > > to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
> > > > great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
> > > > so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
> > > > him.
> > >
> > > Another lie from Judy.
> >
> > Well, that's two lies from Vaj in a mere
> > four words.
> >
> > As Vaj knows, I don't lie. I haven't lied
> > before, and I wasn't lying here.
> 
> ROFLOL!  I don't know where you got that idea. I've watched
> you hurl lies for YEARS (mostly at Barry).

I don't lie, Vaj, to Barry or anybody else, and
you're all too well aware of that. Nor can you,
of course, document your claim.

> > > Actually I never said that.
> >
> > And, of course, I never *said* Vaj said that.
> > The word I used was "portrayed." There are lots
> > of ways to portray something a certain way
> > without actually articulating it, including by
> > misleading one's audience.
> >
> > In this case, Vaj's interesting term
> > "meditational disorder," given that Lynch is a
> > TMer, was obviously intended to suggest--without
> > actually saying so--that Lynch's purported
> > "imbalance" is caused by TM.
> >
> > So Vaj's denial here is another lie.
> >
> > And here comes yet another one:
> >
> > > I indicated that's it's likely a condition
> > > that existed before TM
> >
> > Here's what Vaj said:
> >
> > "In Lynch there are clear signs of vata derangement and IMO, very
> > likely, an underlying yogic disorder. This probably precedes his
> > involvement in TM, but would certainly be exacerbated by anything
> > that tweaks or increases vata-dosha."
> >
> > The clear implication is that Lynch had a
> > predisposition to "vata derangement" prior
> > to starting TM, but that it had been
> > exacerbated *by* TM into a "yogic" (or, later,
> > "meditational") disorder. Hard to imagine a
> > yogic or meditational disorder developing in
> > someone who didn't meditate.
> 
> But, nonetheless, I did mention a preexisting disorder.

Irrelevant. The issue is that you denied you had
tried to associate Lynch's "disorders" with TM, but
that was a lie; that's precisely what you did.

> Nice try to obfuscate and misdirect, but no cigar.

No, no, Vaj. I'm quoting *your very own words*.
If I were "obfuscating and misdirecting," it
would be simple for you to show how, but you
can't.

> > And we know Vaj believes TM and the TM-Sidhi
> > program brings about "vata derangement."
> >
> > OK, ready for another lie from Vaj?
> 
> Another? There was no first one. Stop lying Judy!
> 
> >
> > > and that he had actually improved over time!
> >
> > 
> >
> > Vaj attributed Lynch's "improvement" not to TM,
> > but to panchakarma:
> 
> A TM movement based PK program.

Obfuscation and misdirection from Vaj. The issue,
of course, is whether TM caused Lynch's purported
"meditational/yogic disorder." Vaj has repeatedly
claimed TM and the TM-Sidhi program result in
such disorders. This was just another instance of
the tactic.

 Lynch attributes his improvement to  
> TM. TM is part of the ayurvedic approach of Maharishi Ayurveda (as  
> Judy knows), since it considers the "mistake of the intellect" 
> basic to doshic imbalance arising in the first place.
> 
> But Judy already knew that. Just another obfuscation and
> misdirection.

No, it's irrelevant to the point at issue, as Vaj
knows.

> > "I will say one thing, it does seem to have improved somewhat over
> > the years. He's probably doing ongoing PK thru the movement, which
> > provides an excellent level of care and service (although
> > exorbitantly expensive)."
> 
> Actually what I say is it was expensive and they provide a good 
> care.

ROTFL! Vaj would have you believe he never meant
to suggest he was attributing Lynch's purported
"improvement" to panchakarma.

Even if that were the case (which it isn't), Vaj
would be left with no explanation for the
"improvement" except Lynch's TM practice.

> > > Now whether or not TM has truly helped the condition is a good
> > > question. He claims it has. Maybe you buy that, maybe you don't.
> >
> > Of course, like any skilled propagandist, he
> > pretends to be uncertain about the conclusion
> > he has attempted to mislead his audience to
> > draw--a show of open-mindedness designed to give,
> > as Pooh-Bah assures Ko-Ko in "The Mikado,"
> > "artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald
> > and unconvincing narrative."
> 
> LOL, you read WAY to much into casual speech my dear!

Nope, sorry. It's a standard propaganda technique,
and you use it frequently.


> > Whenever Vaj accuses somebody--especially me--of
> > lying, it's time to pay *very* close attention
> > indeed to his claims.
> 
> Judy, we see you doing it to Barry almost daily.

Unfortuna

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[Angela Mailander]

Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources?  Two reasons.  Maybe 
because you called me a Nazi?  There is some past history in which you have 
behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it 
isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people.  
Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when it 
is directed at them than when it is directed at me.  It is simply uncultured 
behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way.  

The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for 
historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar.  Giving you a few 
sources is an utterly inadequate  substitute for ten years' worth of  scholarly 
research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such a thing.  
Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open to adverse 
criticism.  

If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be different; 
I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid some of the 
dead ends I had to explore to get where I am.  But I do not get the sense that 
you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) 
educate yourself. 

The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic 
historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their 
work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods.  If you really were 
seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the 
possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then I 
would begin with Gary Allen's "The Rockefeller Papers" and with Anthony 
Sutton's "Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler."  His "Wallstreet and the 
Bolshevik Revolution" would be another good choice.   But again, these two men 
would be a bare bones beginning.  You could not draw any hard conclusions based 
on their work alone.  At a minimum, you would not only have to read their 
books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have done.  This 
would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work.  Obviously, I am 
not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in order to learn 
that I
 am not just talking through my hat.  Yet, there is no other way to determine 
whether or not I am.  

A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can present 
my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also includes a 
life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got me where I 
am.  So why talk about it at all?  Because we are in danger as I write of going 
down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late.  But still there is hope 
that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist regime as blindly 
as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf details are crude.  By 
the time such things happen, it is almost too late.  What about the brain 
washing that passes for education and that leads up to it being possible to 
fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see right in front of their 
eyes?  




authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > That was exactly my feeling.  I could smell the "set-up" and 
 therefore didn't feel like sending her bibliography.  She simply 
 asked for references, and it sounds legit enough, nor would a scholar 
 refuse to give it if it were really an honest question.  But I did 
 not feel it honest.  So I didn't comply, not wishing to be dragged 
 into another fight with a pig in which everyone gets dirty, but the 
 pig likes it.
 
 Angela, why would you fear that legitimate
 references would drag you into a dirty fight?
 
 > Bhairitu sensed the same thing.  So what exactly is it with Judy?  
 You guys know her much better than I do.  Can it be as simple as 
 feeling taller when she squashes someone else?
 
 It isn't even as *complicated* as that. It's simply
 not true.
 
 Barry (and Bhairitu) know--but won't tell you--that
 I have a thing about dishonesty. I detest it. I go
 after it wherever I see it. Anybody who's been on
 FFL for a while knows this.
 
 Barry has been a particular target of mine because 
 he is one of the most dishonest people I've ever
 encountered.
 
 Bhairitu isn't at all constitutionally dishonest
 like Barry, but he can be intellectually sloppy,
 and he gets upset when he's caught out. In this
 case, we had had a discussion in which he'd
 goofed badly, so he's sore at me.
 
 As I explained to you before, I'm deeply suspicious
 of your scholarly qualifications, because you don't
 behave like any legitimate scholar I've ever
 encountered. This isn't the first time by any means
 that you've evaded giving references for your claims.
 
 You made a highly controversial claim. You should
 expect that folks would want to know the basis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[new . morning]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> No that's not what I wanted folks to think 

How can you want others to think a certain way. Thoughts just come. 

(or as a friend of mine use to say -- "thoughts just cum". But she was
a pervert. :) )

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:42 PM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > > Vaj  wrote:
> > > Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> > > of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one
> > > would only likely experience in the mentally ill. Does some
> > > innate imbalance predispose the writer (of such films) to those
> > > realms, was there underlying trauma of some sort or do they use
> > > imbalance as a springboard to unconventional creative realms (or
> > > some mixture of these)?
> >
> > Notice the possibility that Vaj carefully *leaves
> > out* here--that Lynch, like a good therapist, has
> > intuitive insight into the mental processes of
> > psychotics without himself suffering from "imbalance."
> >
> > That's actually what the article Vaj quoted from
> > "The Psychologist" suggests.
>
> Actually the reason I posted the article was for the
> perspective it poised.

The perspective you wanted folks to *think* it
"poised," but actually doesn't.



Ah, now you're a mind reader? Time to get the Ouija board checked  
methinks.


No that's not what I wanted folks to think -- another lie. I guess  
once you start it's hard to stop, huh Judy?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> > > equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> > > get cured of his vata imbalance? Like any artist, he simply
> > > assumes a different narrative stance for different works.
> >
> > I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
> > to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
> > great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
> > so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
> > him.
>
> Another lie from Judy.

Well, that's two lies from Vaj in a mere
four words.

As Vaj knows, I don't lie. I haven't lied
before, and I wasn't lying here.


ROFLOL!  I don't know where you got that idea. I've watched you hurl  
lies for YEARS (mostly at Barry).




> Actually I never said that.

And, of course, I never *said* Vaj said that.
The word I used was "portrayed." There are lots
of ways to portray something a certain way
without actually articulating it, including by
misleading one's audience.

In this case, Vaj's interesting term
"meditational disorder," given that Lynch is a
TMer, was obviously intended to suggest--without
actually saying so--that Lynch's purported
"imbalance" is caused by TM.

So Vaj's denial here is another lie.

And here comes yet another one:

> I indicated that's it's likely a condition
> that existed before TM

Here's what Vaj said:

"In Lynch there are clear signs of vata derangement and IMO, very
likely, an underlying yogic disorder. This probably precedes his
involvement in TM, but would certainly be exacerbated by anything
that tweaks or increases vata-dosha."

The clear implication is that Lynch had a
predisposition to "vata derangement" prior
to starting TM, but that it had been
exacerbated *by* TM into a "yogic" (or, later,
"meditational") disorder. Hard to imagine a
yogic or meditational disorder developing in
someone who didn't meditate.


But, nonetheless, I did mention a preexisting disorder. Nice try to  
obfuscate and misdirect, but no cigar.




And we know Vaj believes TM and the TM-Sidhi
program brings about "vata derangement."

OK, ready for another lie from Vaj?


Another? There was no first one. Stop lying Judy!



> and that he had actually improved over time!



Vaj attributed Lynch's "improvement" not to TM,
but to panchakarma:


A TM movement based PK program. Lynch attributes his improvement to  
TM. TM is part of the ayurvedic approach of Maharishi Ayurveda (as  
Judy knows), since it considers the "mistake of the intellect" basic  
to doshic imbalance arising in the first place.


But Judy already knew that. Just another obfuscation and misdirection.



"I will say one thing, it does seem to have improved somewhat over
the years. He's probably doing ongoing PK thru the movement, which
provides an excellent level of care and service (although
exorbitantly expensive)."


Actually what I say is it was expensive and they provide a good care.

Again, Judy lying about lying. Does that make you a meta-liar?



> Now whether or not TM has truly helped the condition is a good
> question. He claims it has. Maybe you buy that, maybe you don't.

Of course, like any skilled propagandist, he
pretends to be uncertain about the conclusion
he has attempted to mislead his audience to
draw--a show of open-mindedness designed to give,
as Pooh-Bah assures Ko-Ko in "The Mikado,"
"artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald
and unconvincing narrative."


LOL, you read WAY to much into casual speech my dear! Not even close,  
(as Judy deliberately does to try to manufacture "lies").


Such childishness.



Whenever Vaj accuses somebody--especially me--of
lying, it's time to pay *very* close attention
indeed to his claims.


Judy, we see you doing it to Barry almost daily. Why would anyone be  
surprised? It's chronic!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > > Vaj  wrote:
> > > Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> > > of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one
> > > would only likely experience in the mentally ill. Does some
> > > innate imbalance predispose the writer (of such films) to those
> > > realms, was there underlying trauma of some sort or do they use
> > > imbalance as a springboard to unconventional creative realms (or
> > > some mixture of these)?
> >
> > Notice the possibility that Vaj carefully *leaves
> > out* here--that Lynch, like a good therapist, has
> > intuitive insight into the mental processes of
> > psychotics without himself suffering from "imbalance."
> >
> > That's actually what the article Vaj quoted from
> > "The Psychologist" suggests.
> 
> Actually the reason I posted the article was for the
> perspective it poised.

The perspective you wanted folks to *think* it
"poised," but actually doesn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> > > equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> > > get cured of his vata imbalance? Like any artist, he simply
> > > assumes a different narrative stance for different works.
> >
> > I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
> > to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
> > great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
> > so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
> > him.
> 
> Another lie from Judy.

Well, that's two lies from Vaj in a mere
four words.

As Vaj knows, I don't lie. I haven't lied
before, and I wasn't lying here.

> Actually I never said that.

And, of course, I never *said* Vaj said that.
The word I used was "portrayed." There are lots
of ways to portray something a certain way
without actually articulating it, including by
misleading one's audience.

In this case, Vaj's interesting term
"meditational disorder," given that Lynch is a
TMer, was obviously intended to suggest--without
actually saying so--that Lynch's purported
"imbalance" is caused by TM.

So Vaj's denial here is another lie.

And here comes yet another one:

> I indicated that's it's likely a condition
> that existed before TM

Here's what Vaj said:

"In Lynch there are clear signs of vata derangement and IMO, very 
likely, an underlying yogic disorder. This probably precedes his 
involvement in TM, but would certainly be exacerbated by anything 
that tweaks or increases vata-dosha."

The clear implication is that Lynch had a
predisposition to "vata derangement" prior
to starting TM, but that it had been 
exacerbated *by* TM into a "yogic" (or, later,
"meditational") disorder. Hard to imagine a
yogic or meditational disorder developing in
someone who didn't meditate.

And we know Vaj believes TM and the TM-Sidhi
program brings about "vata derangement."

OK, ready for another lie from Vaj?

> and that he had actually improved over time!



Vaj attributed Lynch's "improvement" not to TM,
but to panchakarma:

"I will say one thing, it does seem to have improved somewhat over 
the years. He's probably doing ongoing PK thru the movement, which 
provides an excellent level of care and service (although 
exorbitantly expensive)."

> Now whether or not TM has truly helped the condition is a good  
> question. He claims it has. Maybe you buy that, maybe you don't.

Of course, like any skilled propagandist, he
pretends to be uncertain about the conclusion
he has attempted to mislead his audience to 
draw--a show of open-mindedness designed to give,
as Pooh-Bah assures Ko-Ko in "The Mikado,"
"artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald
and unconvincing narrative."

Whenever Vaj accuses somebody--especially me--of
lying, it's time to pay *very* close attention 
indeed to his claims.

[FairfieldLife] Dinner in Davis

[new . morning]

Driving up 80, from the bay area to Nevada, I had dinner in Davis last
night. Well, not the sumptuous feast with old friends that it might
have been. Friends long gone. Town very quiet -- Sunday night, week
before finals I presume. Or has everyone left for Xmas? Settled for a
large coffee and cranberry muffin wandering the streets of downtown --
and driving some of the "new" campus.  Amazing changes. Somethings
shockingly the same. The Varsity theater stands out proud in its
1950's loutish glory. All and all, still a sleepy little college town,
with some bistros and thai restaurants sprinkled around. And student
havens -- "burgers and brew". hmm that vegetarian meditative
revolution back then, overflowing crowds to hear Jerry Jarvis, MMY on
the cover of the student newspaper, -- didn't full take hold. If only
I had checked, later initiated, a few more people! Ha! The campus
reeks, in a full a robust way, of deep, modern, cutting edge
knowledge. Actual crystal intelligences in those wonderfully
architected new buildings. Short-hand exchanges of buzzword snippets
heard from passing students.  Faded jeans still the preferred garmet.
Somethings don't change. Bicycles gliding up quiet streets.  A jarring
contrast to the speeding, high density of SUVs at intersections in the
vastly enlarged and growing outskirts of town. South campus and town
-- was simply a trailer park in 1968. Where that blonde art student
lived. Hmm. Wonder if i will ever return? There was that promise to
freshman room mate, to meet on the quad, on new years day, when we
were 64. Damn if that date didn't zip fast towards the goal line. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good BS?

[new . morning]

Gosh. Its amazing. Things changing so fast! Someone ought to write a
book on it. Probably be a best seller. Maybe call it Futureshock.

Opps they did. 37 years ago. 1970 Alvin Tofler. More densely packed
and comprehensive than this piece.

Its nice to pull these sorts of glimpes of acceleration together, but
they also leave out a lot. Nothing about the implications of decoding
 the entire human genome. Nothing about nano-technology. Nothing about
the advances in neuro-chemistry / pharma  and its implications. Little
on the interconnectedness and and (old word) ubiquitousness of the
internet. Nothing about the density of computer storage. Or dsiplay
technology.

Nothing about energy, its shortage, its possibilities. That algae
strains now produce 10,000 times as much fuel as corm, per acre. And
rising. Nothing about the population an its consequences.  Nothing
about ecological balance and imbalance. Nothing about consumption --
the implications of those 25% (or way more) of chinese and indians
consuming and excreting / garbaging at the rate of the US. Nothing
about medicine and the implications for 200 year olds. And robotics. 

Actually the piece, in perspective was not mind-blowing in and of
itself. Its mindblowing how pedestrian it is relative to all the stuff
it left out. How much richer an multi-dimensional change is happening. 

its interesting since 1970 the rise of (to higher levels an
prominence) fundamentalism.  Clinging to roots, clinging to something
stable. Something, well, fundamental.

Change happening. In the relative? Go figure. 

Change happening fast? perhaps more need for a stable platform.







--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2qz3cr
> 
> Here's an example of the kind of bullshit that I love to do, but here
> at FFL, I cannot get away with it.  I wish that a day each week, say,
> Thursday, was set aside for this kind of posting, and everyone has to
> "keeps hands off" of the posts and posters -- just to let ourselves
> air our views and know ahead of time that we won't have to pay a price
> of being flamed for our "recreational speculations."
> 
> Each statement of this piece is a bigass abstraction for a morass of
> data -- these are the kinds of statements that anyone can attack from
> many angles.
> 
> Attack away, kids.
> 
> On the other hand, there is a spirit that is longing for succor behind
> these statements that IMO shouldn't be attacked, yet "attacking the
> poster's personality" will be the preferred method of discounting the
> CHILLING IMPLICATIONS of many of these "assertions," because
> scholarship is so damned hard.
> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good BS?

[curtisdeltablues]

This was as powerful for me as the powers of 10 video!  Dynamite!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2qz3cr
> 
> Here's an example of the kind of bullshit that I love to do, but here
> at FFL, I cannot get away with it.  I wish that a day each week, say,
> Thursday, was set aside for this kind of posting, and everyone has to
> "keeps hands off" of the posts and posters -- just to let ourselves
> air our views and know ahead of time that we won't have to pay a price
> of being flamed for our "recreational speculations."

I don't really see people challenging what is written as flaming.  It
doesn't have to be.  I don't support any control day on feedback here.
 If you want to write in a vacuum,feedback free, just read your own
stuff instead of posting it.  I often do.

> 
> Each statement of this piece is a bigass abstraction for a morass of
> data -- these are the kinds of statements that anyone can attack from
> many angles.
> 
> Attack away, kids.

Is it an attack to question under what metrics England is the riches
country in the world?  That seemed pretty far off.

> 
> On the other hand, there is a spirit that is longing for succor behind
> these statements that IMO shouldn't be attacked, yet "attacking the
> poster's personality" will be the preferred method of discounting the
> CHILLING IMPLICATIONS of many of these "assertions," because
> scholarship is so damned hard.

Challenging information is healthy and good.  I agree that attacking
posters personally is a distraction. Sometimes I wonder if the
attachment to and identification with certain ideas makes drawing this
distinction practically possible.

Excellent link Edg.








> 
> Edg
>

[FairfieldLife] Who here denies these truths?

[Duveyoung]

http://tinyurl.com/2fx99z 
Kucinich continues the lonely fight.

http://tinyurl.com/29x74m 
Naomi Wolf Ten Steps To Close Down an Open Society

http://tinyurl.com/22momd 
Republicans form a new plot to rig the 2008 election

I think the Naomi Wolf article is a sober statement that is well
researched, and I suspect Naomi will be one of the first voices
silenced "after the next 9-11" event.

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Tesla Coil X-mas Tree

[Vaj]

http://tesladownunder.com/Xmas.htm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That was exactly my feeling.  I could smell the "set-up" and 
therefore didn't feel like sending her bibliography.  She simply 
asked for references, and it sounds legit enough, nor would a scholar 
refuse to give it if it were really an honest question.  But I did 
not feel it honest.  So I didn't comply, not wishing to be dragged 
into another fight with a pig in which everyone gets dirty, but the 
pig likes it.

Angela, why would you fear that legitimate
references would drag you into a dirty fight?

> Bhairitu sensed the same thing.  So what exactly is it with Judy?  
You guys know her much better than I do.  Can it be as simple as 
feeling taller when she squashes someone else?

It isn't even as *complicated* as that. It's simply
not true.

Barry (and Bhairitu) know--but won't tell you--that
I have a thing about dishonesty. I detest it. I go
after it wherever I see it. Anybody who's been on
FFL for a while knows this.

Barry has been a particular target of mine because 
he is one of the most dishonest people I've ever
encountered.

Bhairitu isn't at all constitutionally dishonest
like Barry, but he can be intellectually sloppy,
and he gets upset when he's caught out. In this
case, we had had a discussion in which he'd
goofed badly, so he's sore at me.

As I explained to you before, I'm deeply suspicious
of your scholarly qualifications, because you don't
behave like any legitimate scholar I've ever
encountered. This isn't the first time by any means
that you've evaded giving references for your claims.

You made a highly controversial claim. You should
expect that folks would want to know the basis for
it. Why wouldn't you be *eager* to support it with
documentation?

That you try to portray my request as some kind of
*attack* on you to justify not providing references
just reeks of dishonesty. That's the sort of thing
Barry does.

If you had come up with solid sources right away,
I'd have no basis for being suspicious. You had a
chance to *allay* my suspicions, but you didn't take
it, and instead you've attacked me for even asking.

That is *not* scholarly behavior. That's the behavior
of someone who fears having her scholarship called
in question.

[FairfieldLife] Good BS?

[Duveyoung]

http://tinyurl.com/2qz3cr

Here's an example of the kind of bullshit that I love to do, but here
at FFL, I cannot get away with it.  I wish that a day each week, say,
Thursday, was set aside for this kind of posting, and everyone has to
"keeps hands off" of the posts and posters -- just to let ourselves
air our views and know ahead of time that we won't have to pay a price
of being flamed for our "recreational speculations."

Each statement of this piece is a bigass abstraction for a morass of
data -- these are the kinds of statements that anyone can attack from
many angles.

Attack away, kids.

On the other hand, there is a spirit that is longing for succor behind
these statements that IMO shouldn't be attacked, yet "attacking the
poster's personality" will be the preferred method of discounting the
CHILLING IMPLICATIONS of many of these "assertions," because
scholarship is so damned hard.

Edg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:


> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one
> would only likely experience in the mentally ill. Does some
> innate imbalance predispose the writer (of such films) to those
> realms, was there underlying trauma of some sort or do they use
> imbalance as a springboard to unconventional creative realms (or
> some mixture of these)?

Notice the possibility that Vaj carefully *leaves
out* here--that Lynch, like a good therapist, has
intuitive insight into the mental processes of
psychotics without himself suffering from "imbalance."

That's actually what the article Vaj quoted from
"The Psychologist" suggests.



Actually the reason I posted the article was for the perspective it  
poised.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[Vaj]

On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> get cured of his vata imbalance? Like any artist, he simply
> assumes a different narrative stance for different works.

I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
him.



Another lie from Judy.

Actually I never said that. I indicated that's it's likely a  
condition that existed before TM and that he had actually improved  
over time!


Now whether or not TM has truly helped the condition is a good  
question. He claims it has. Maybe you buy that, maybe you don't. 

[FairfieldLife] Sadly, this is FFL

[Duveyoung]

http://tinyurl.com/27e4ha

It's not worth it to actually take this very far, but just for
funzies, while you're watching it, see if you can decide which
character you think you are in this video.

I have played more than one of these characters, and that's not a good
thingy.

Edg

[FairfieldLife] Tony Lucchino Memorial 3pm Tues

[dhamiltony2k5]

Tony Luccino, long time member of the FF meditating community
passed away recently.

Memorial service for Tony at Revelations Bookstore upstairs on Tues. 
3pm.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Mulholland Drive

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD.  After all, he was 
> equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> get cured of his vata imbalance?  Like any artist, he simply 
> assumes a different narrative stance for different works.

I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very important
to Vaj to be able to portray a TMer who has achieved
great success as somehow having been damaged by TM,
so you're not likely to get a rational argument from
him.

> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
> Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one 
> would only likely experience in the mentally ill. Does some 
> innate imbalance predispose the writer (of such films) to those 
> realms, was there underlying trauma of some sort or do they use 
> imbalance as a springboard to unconventional creative realms (or 
> some mixture of these)?

Notice the possibility that Vaj carefully *leaves
out* here--that Lynch, like a good therapist, has
intuitive insight into the mental processes of
psychotics without himself suffering from "imbalance."

That's actually what the article Vaj quoted from
"The Psychologist" suggests.

> In the example I gave earlier of Van Gogh

This "example" is rather loaded, since we *know* Van
Gogh had serious mental problems. That's why Vaj
chose it, hoping readers would make the association,
even though it makes no sense on its face.