[FairfieldLife] 'Bye for Now, Sarah...see ya soon...'
[FairfieldLife] 'Bye for Now, Sarah...see ya soon...'
[FairfieldLife] 'Bye for Now, Sarah...see ya soon...'
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or why Obama easily defeated Hillary. If you don't get it after seeing this video, you either need a better psychiatrist or you need a different meditation technique... From tonight's 60 Minutes: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/07/60minutes/main4584507.shtml LINK Inspirational!
[FairfieldLife] Disambiguation: language that inspires violence or death threats
Case 1: The use of misogynist language, even in an obvious joke, is a Bad Thing, and a way of perpetuating and encouraging violence against women. Case 2: The use of language that claims that a Presidential candidate is a terrorist is a Good Thing, a thing of honor, a thing protected by free speech, even though it results in over 500 *actual* death threats against that candidate. The preceding is a service of Wikimedia, to help those afflicted by being born male to understand the difference between these two cases. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3387103/Fears-grow-for-Barack-Obamas-security.html or http://tinyurl.com/6x9blk Fears grow for Barack Obama's security When Barack Obama gave his acceptance speech behind a thick screen of bulletproof glass it was a sign of the huge security operation which will surround the new President Elect. By Robert Winnett Telegraph.co.uk, 10 Nov 2008 Fears are growing that Mr Obama, who will become America's first black president following his inauguration next year, will be the subject of an assassination attempt. The secret service is reported to have already investigated more than 500 death threats against Mr Obama during the presidential election contest. Last month, two neo-Nazi skinheads were arrested for conspiring to assassinate Mr Obama. He is expected to be protected by a secret service detail with hundreds of close-protection agents. Over the past few weeks, the US government has also begun secretly testing a new ultra-secure presidential limousine able to withstand most bomb blasts and terror attacks. Details of his movements will be a closely guarded secret for all but his most senior aides. The scale of US presidential security is already on a different scale to that for British Prime Ministers with huge motorcades accompanying US presidents when they leave the White House. Mr Obama received full secret service protection in May 2007, much earlier than most presidential candidates. His secret service codename is renegade. His wife, Michelle, is said to be particularly concerned about the threats that he now faces. However, Mr Obama previously said: It's not something that I'm spending time thinking about day to day. I think anybody who decides to run for president recognises that there are some risks involved.
[FairfieldLife] People all over the beep coming to Fairfield next March?
Just learned that at least five people from Finland are planning to go to Fairfield next March, to do rounding for two weeks. Perhaps that's just a Finnish stunt, but who knows. Perhaps the atmosphere here in Finland (and most of Europe) is so utterly negative, that it's somehow painful to do the siddhis here. Like swimming in a cesspool...
[FairfieldLife] Re: People all over the beep coming to Fairfield next March?
cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the atmosphere here in Finland (and most of Europe) is so utterly negative, that it's somehow painful to do the siddhis here. Like swimming in a cesspool... As usual MMY was way ahead of the game with his reverse spiritual bail out package which he has offered to the world for over 30 years. For a couple billion $, conscioussness experts would come and plug the consciousness deficit in the country by infusing lots of PC, putting it back on solid ground.
[FairfieldLife] OffWorld was the first to support Obama on FFL
Its official ! OffWorld was the first to support Obama on Fairfield Life. Exact quote from OffWorld on FFL - May 17 2007: Republican Ron Paul KNOWS that he will never overturn a woman's right to choose about her own body. Apart from that he seems like the next best leader next to Obama. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/139394 'OffWorld' the 1st to support Obama on FFL??? One day you'll all be able to be as perceptive as me .. :-) ---OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:51 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or why Obama easily defeated Hillary. If you don't get it after seeing this video, you either need a better psychiatrist or you need a different meditation technique... From tonight's 60 Minutes: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/07/60minutes/main4584507.shtml LINK Inspirational! Interesting to see how the race card played NO hand in all this. None, zero, zip. The suggestions that they did, were just by people with race-colored glasses on, dirty politics as their weapon, fear mongers or an some ulterior agenda. FWIW I sense a genuine greatness in Obama in terms of global rescue and transformation not seen for generations. He carries that 'something' - far beyond any other - that fits the desperate needs of the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: World's oldest temple found...predates Stonehenge by 6000 years
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: It's also fun to realize that these stones have been carbon-dated to show that they were carved 6000 years before Sarah Palin believes the Earth was created. Probably the 'Garden of Eden' Sarah Palin believes in, mentioned in the Bible. LOL! Maybe, but she doesn't know that, because she thinks Aftrica is a country and Turkey is what she is out hunting for as we speak, for her Thanksgiving dinner with her clan of hillbillies. Only problem is she can only hit moose 'cos they are so big and slow, so the clan may need to get over to the frozen chicken isle in the supermarket instead. OffWorld Read more: 'The Cygnus Mystery' Unlocking the Ancient Secret of Life's Origins in the Cosmos by Andrew Collins Watkins, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/55e32m
[FairfieldLife] Re: You need a hominem for an ad hominem
And you just did it *again*. Basta. Curtis wrote wrote: Discussing things with you is like interacting with a tar baby made of unpleasantness. You really can't help yourself can you? I don't think you have a cordial way to disagree. At least I haven't seen any evidence of it. John wrote: That's what you get, Curtis, when you venture into the -Nitpicker Zone-. Missing the view for the nits. The -Nitpicker Zone- is where a nit is worth so much more than a thousand words - especially if it can be implemented in a self-serving but pointless poisonous perpetually prolonged personal pissing match for anyone who mistakenly chooses to continue to participate in it as a hapless nitpickee. A bigger down side is that it accomplishes little-to-nothing to advance any cause other than the personal ego of the obsessive professional nitpicker extraordinaire. In fact it offends and alienates even previously neutral observers as no one who dares even comment is safe from being found with real or imagined nits to have picked by the professional nitpicker...in the -Nitpicker Zone-. And any critic, present or past, can be sure to be persistently and perpetually picked at for nits at any time. Now you're doing it *again*. Amazing! You two just don't seem to get it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Now let me get this straight...you are saying that Jesus H. You have been told 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth' BUT *I* say unto you... Christ would have succumbed to superstition and gone with rabbinical law. You and I must have read different bios, dude. Are you sure that you are not projecting a bit of your own fundamentalism and superstition and fear of violating law onto someone who was clearly beyond such fears? Jesus' whole *career* was based on rejecting the parts of rabbinical law he didn't agree with, and his whole *message* was about the rejection of violence. I'm sorry, John, but you're coming across as as much of a fundamentalist w.r.t. the Christian Bible as you do w.r.t. the vedic literature you are a slave to. And, you are committing the sin Gordon Charrick spoke of so eloquently: You know that you have created God in your own image when he hates the same people you do. It would be one thing if you just admitted to your own fear and homophobia and stood on that. But to attempt to hide it behind an appeal to scripture (and a total misreading of that scripture to boot) is beyond comprehension. You are so offended by gays that you want to kill them. That's really the bottom line here. And you want to kill them so much that you have come up with an inner justification that tells you that Jesus would have wanted to kill them, too, and not only that, he would have had advanced ways of doing so, sooper-dooper siddhi weapons I would imagine. Would he have caused them to burst into flame? (And would that be considered a 'death threat' under rabbinical law?) Or would he have come up with some other way of displaying how much he and God hates them because they don't obey their holy word in a book they were too lazy to write themselves, and had to have ghost- written for them by humans? Curious minds want to know the methods by which you imagine Jesus killing these horrible gay sinners. Gay-bashers are often found to be latent homosexuals. Seems they try to hide it by overt negative expressions against gays. Fundamentalist repression and guilt seems to nurture this kind of behavior. It appears that you are accusing those who voted for the proposition to be latent homosexuals. I think instead that he's saying that the vehemence we're seeing in a lot of gay-bashers who voted for Prop 8 seems to demonstrate more self-hatred of their own unresolved feelings about homosexuality than it does hatred of gays. That's a lot of people to be believable. It is more likely that those who voted against the proposition and their sympathizers are gay. Actually, statistically, it's not. The vast majority of people who voted against Prop 8 did so because they thought it was an attempt to make certain people *unequal* before the law based on their sexual preference. They voted against the unequality, not for the sexual preference. You may have fallen into a trap set up by a certain person in this thread. He may have outed you without your intention to do so. I was wondering how long it would take John to start shooting the messenger, since he obviously cannot deal with the message. Did anyone notice that he did not deal with even ONE of the points I raised in my post above? Further, this person appears to be erratic in his personality as he unilaterally issued a fatwa of silence for those people he did not approve of. He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. You were never on that list. My decision to not interact with them in any way is based on several things, not approving of them not being one of them. First, I think that inter- acting with them is a waste of my energy, and I prefer to save it for other things. Second, I think that interacting with them is what they WANT. They live to argue, and to start and prolong arguments. Since I don't get off on arguments the way they do, why on earth should I engage in activity that gives them what they want? And again, you were never on that list. I enjoy reading your posts on FFL, John. I may consider them insane, but I enjoy reading them. Same with Nabby. I consider you and what you write here one of the best arguments *against* belief in vedic philosophy that could possibly exist. What I *did* say about you personally was that I didn't believe that you were capable of engaging in real con- versation. I said that because -- so far -- you seem capable of only spouting dogma, and dogma I consider less than sane. But that did
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW I sense a genuine greatness in Obama in terms of global rescue and transformation not seen for generations. He carries that 'something' - far beyond any other - that fits the desperate needs of the time. His P/E right about now is 120, and he hasn't even made his first sale. But you have already pushed this stock to ultra bubble levels. Do you think you ought to rein in your expectatations a bit?
[FairfieldLife] Jonestown
This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW I sense a genuine greatness in Obama in terms of global rescue and transformation not seen for generations. He carries that 'something' - far beyond any other - that fits the desperate needs of the time. I'm not sure about Joe the Plumber, but I know Joe Six Pack, and Bernie the CPA, and Wendy the Stock Analyst are all worried about seeing their jobs shipped overseas. So, I hope these grand hopes will translate into helping keep the middle class in tact. Thom Hartmann has on various occassions discussed that the existence of a middle class is in no way a given. It is a fragile segment that can easily be swept away. The NYT on Sunday interviewed several economists. At least 2 of the 6 said the disparity in income was a needed top priority. A democracy needs stakeholders. So yes, that I think was a big part of Obamas appeal. I hope it can pull it off. It may be out last best chance.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: FWIW I sense a genuine greatness in Obama in terms of global rescue and transformation not seen for generations. He carries that 'something' - far beyond any other - that fits the desperate needs of the time. His P/E right about now is 120, and he hasn't even made his first sale. But you have already pushed this stock to ultra bubble levels. Do you think you ought to rein in your expectatations a bit? I can't predict the future but I also can't deny what I see.
[FairfieldLife] More homophobia in the news
Undeniable proof that Arkansas is a backwards hellhole!!! dailykos.com Arkansas voters passed by a 57% majority, a vile proposition making adoption by homosexual couples illegal. As a result, 400 children are required to be moved out of homes they were already placed in and into group homes or orphanages, immediately. Arkansas already has three times as many children needing foster care adoption as it has homes. http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/9/9356/17632
[FairfieldLife] Re: Disambiguation: language that inspires violence or death threats
TurquoiseB wrote: Case 1: The use of misogynist language, even in an obvious joke, is a Bad Thing, and a way of perpetuating and encouraging violence against women. Doctor Pete wrote: Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. FairfieldLife/message/197535
[FairfieldLife] Re: OffWorld was the first to support Obama on FFL
Its official ! OffWorld was the first to support Obama on Fairfield Life. off wrote: Actually that is anti-American because you are supporting a communist system that props up its ailing industry with bailouts and huge government subsidies. This is true of your vast Republican farm subsidies that you are so proud of, your subsidies for failing banks, and pretty much all aspects of your society. FairfieldLife/message/197445
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
Cult Watch 10 Points to look out for in your group members 1.Obsession about group or the leader putting it above most other considerations. 2.Member's individual identity becomes increasingly fused with the group, the leader and/or God followed by the group.Cloning of the group members or leader's personal behaviors. 3.Emotional overreaction when the group or leader is criticized. Seen as evil persecution. 4.Belief that the group is THE WAY and they have a mission 5.Increasing dependency upon the group or leader for problem solving, explanations, definitions and analysis, and corresponding decline in real, independent thought. 6.Excessive hyperactivity and work for the group or leader, at the expense of private or family interests. Drifting away from family and old friends 7.Preparedness to blindly follow the group or leader and defend actions or statements without seeking independent verification. 8.Demonization of former members or members of alternative groups. 9.Desire to be praised for doing the right thing and fear of public rebuke 10.Unhealthy wish to be seen with or aligned publicly with the leader(s) of the group http://tinyurl.com/6e4ad4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a friend of mine from Canada was in Guyana at the time teaching TM. The parents of one of the other TM teachers from Canada was so freaked out she called the RCMP. A propos of a previous posting, my friend says that the government there continually accused them of being CIA agents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When this happened, I was in Iran on the World Peace Project/Minister Training Course. I was fascinated with this and skipped the evening meeting to read the TIME Magazine cover story about it. My course buddies freaked out because I was in someone else¹s room and they couldn¹t find me and figured I might have been kidnapped or something. on 11/18/03 11:26 AM, Captain Mars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends: Interesting segment on TV this morning, in recognition of the 25th anniversary of the tragedy in Jonestown. Reminding uss that more than 900 followers committed suicide or were murdered under the orders of the cult leader, Jim Jones. Reports indicate Jones suffered from paranoia and, among other things, thought the CIA had infiltrated his organization. CM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. [snip] I find it rather amusing, Peter, that you go out of your way to adhere to the Biblical principle practised by ultra-Orthodox Jews of not writing the name God but, instead, writing G*d and you do so within the context of telling us about a gay wedding you attended. Let me see if I've got this straight: - Celebrating and encouraging Sodomites: Good - Writing the Name of God: Bad. Have I got that straight (no pun intended)?
[FairfieldLife] Smitten
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. I would think, based on having lived here for slightly over a year, that the town I live in would be pretty high on His list. Sitges is one of the gay Meccas of Europe. Tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of gay human beings visit here each year, and a large number live here year-round. I live on a street that is commonly referred to as Sin Street, because it contains the lion's share of the hot night clubs in town, some of them unashamedly gay. And for some reason, even though I am not of the gay persuasion, I've never seen the need to smite any of my neighbors, or for G*d to do so for me. Does that place me in danger of being smited myself? Should I start to carry an umbrella with a ground wire, just in case G*d chooses to smite me with a lightning bolt? Somehow I don't think I'm in immediate danger. G*d -- if one exists, and with an asterisk in His name or not, is clearly focused elsewhere. I honestly don't know how I came to grow up free of homophobia, but I did. My parents were a bit on the prudish side, and never talked of things overtly sexual, much less out-of- the ordinary sexual. My mother, bless her heart, I am certain went to her grave without ever having suspected Liberace of batting for the other team. She would have had never have used the G-word to refer to another favorite pianist of hers (she was a pianist herself), Little Richard. She just didn't *see* gay as an entity or a division when she looked around the world; it just didn't map to her inner world. My father was a military man, but equally with- out visible prejudice against gays. I don't think I ever heard him say *anything* in his life about gay people, positively or negatively. And so for me, growing up, gay wasn't much of a concept, or something I saw when I looked at the world, either. Yeah, there were queer jokes, and I probably laughed at all of them, but I did so without really ever having thought much about what a queer was, or what one did. This 'tude, or lack of one, followed me as I grew up. A girl I had been hitting on in college, un- successfully, finally took pity on me and told me why. She bat for the other team. I didn't miss a beat; I switched gears and we became the best of friends. We'd go out together and lech on the same women. We had similar tastes, although sadly not similar degrees of success; she'd often end up going home with the lechee more times than I would. I've had gay friends throughout my life, and I've had straight friends throughout my life. If I chose to call them friend, what they did with their private parts never entered into my assessment of their worth. So it's really difficult for me to get my head around the levels of fear, hatred, and dread I have seen aimed at gay people during this election. It's even more difficult to get my head around some of the things I've read on this forum, full of 30-year trekkers along the spiritual path. Innie, outie, who the fuck really cares? Stick an outie into the wrong innie, or rub two innies against each other...again...who the fuck cares? My outie tends to be attracted to only innies. But I honestly don't think I'd be all that different as a human being or a spiritual being if it longed for other outies. And if G*d would think otherwise, and consider me a candidate for smiting because I preferred other outies, then He might as well smite me right now, even though I prefer innies. Get it over with...that's all she smote, and all that. If You don't like gays, You don't like me, because I don't have any problem with them. Smite the fuck away, Big Guy, if that makes you feel like more of a man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddhists with funny hats
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if it was confusing Vaj. I do address it to Nabby which I though made it clear. But I might have gone a bit snip happy on this one so thanks for the reminder. I'm a committed Web access guy. I tried the email format and it seemed to slow me down. Hey, what a second? Are you saying that almost anyone here could have called me a Hillbilly! Speaking as someone who grew up until the age of 14 in the South, I must protest at the misuse of this term, Hillbilly. This is a disparaging contraction of a perfectly legitimate proper name that was commonly used in the South, and was perverted by bigoted Northerners after the Civil War to rag on the losers. The original term that they changed into an epithet was Hill Billy Bob, referring of course to that great sage and Christian preacher Billy Bob Chitluns. Reverend Chitluns was justly famous for having founded the Church Of Jesus Christ The Psycho Killer, in the hills of Atlanta, Georgia before the Civil War. Rev- erand Billy Bob and his flock believed -- as does one of our members here on Fairfield Life -- that Jesus' message was that one should turn the other cheek *unless* the person attempting to touch it is gay. In that case, Jesus' response -- and YOUR response as a follower of his teachings -- should have been to whip out his siddhi powers and waste the perverted abomination before the eyes of God lickety-split. Just trying to bring some historical perspective and accuracy to Fairfield Life. Carry on... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Nov 9, 2008, at 5:51 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: Of course it wasn't because of Nablusoss. Hillbillies have more important priorities than worrying about politics, sharing and justice for all; and we all know well what those priorities are. To give them the right to vote is ridicelous ! Damn Democracy ! Just what do you imagine the word Hillbilly means Nabby? Do you understand that it refers to a specific group of people whose educational and economic backgrounds couldn't be more different from my own? You seem to have a cartoonish conception of American culture. As far as your opinion that some groups of people shouldn't be allowed to vote: we've sacrificed a lot of lives to preserve that freedom. I am happy that your anti-democracy position is completely against the global trend. Obama himself comes from a group of Americans who were denied this right for way too long in our history due to the kind of prejudice and marginalization of certain groups that you express. Using a phrase like sharing and justice for all as a disparaging comment reveals not only a profound ignorance of important human values, but a lack of understanding of the struggles in human history. If I were to sum up your latest posts I could do it in two words: ignorance and hate. Curtis, you should try to include the posters name you're responding to next to their quotation, since it's hard to tell WHO you're responding to--esp. if you're responding to posters most of us might ignore. In cases like that, thy seem like quotes out of the blue. Have you considered using an email client? MS's free email client was always quite excellent. And there are typically many examples online of how to easily configure them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means
--- On Mon, 11/10/08, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:27 AM Our resident expert on What Would Jesus Do? on Fairfield Life has, in his beneficence, clarified for those of us who never under- stood it before what Jesus *really* meant by ¨Turn the other cheek.¨ The key element seems to be whether the person attempting to strike the cheek is doing so from the outside or the inside. Jesus´ original metaphor clearly said that if someone strikes you on the *outside* of your cheek, you should not respond with violence, and in fact should offer the other cheek to the offending person, so that he could strike it as well. However, as the apostle John R has shown us, that´s true only if the offending person is attempting to strike the *outside* of your cheek. If he attempts to touch the *inside* of your cheek -- say, by suggesting that you suck his dick, which might then touch the inside of your cheek -- then in that case the offend- ing person is an ¨abomination¨ in the sight of God and deserves to be killed. It is your right -- and dare I say it, sacred duty -- TO kill the offending abomination. You may not be able to do so ¨easily,¨ as John R suggested that Jesus would have been able to do. He, after all, was the Son Of God and all, and probably had some sooper-dooper siddhis at his disposal with which to waste abominations. Being a mere mortal, you don´t have access to these high-tech ways of killing. Therefore, if all you have at your disposal is a club to hit the abomination with, or a pile of rocks with which to stone him, you can use them. So it is written. So hath Jesus the Christ spoken, as explained by his apostle John R. Aren´t you glad you´ve got the real skinny on this one now, before that planned vacation to San Francisco? Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:51 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...or why Obama easily defeated Hillary. If you don't get it after seeing this video, you either need a better psychiatrist or you need a different meditation technique... From tonight's 60 Minutes: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/07/60minutes/main4584507.shtml LINK Inspirational! Interesting to see how the race card played NO hand in all this. None, zero, zip. The suggestions that they did, were just by people with race-colored glasses on, dirty politics as their weapon, fear mongers or an some ulterior agenda.
[FairfieldLife] 'Bye for Now, Sarah...see ya soon...'
[FairfieldLife] Sucky brand name?
IMO, GyPSii is a sucky brand name, because it has an allusion to a prolly originally Indian caste of musicians(?), that seem to be more or less despised all over the world. What do youse think? Some people hereabouts seem to think it's as good as Google, but I have a hard time buying into that.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues
On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:57 AM, raunchydog wrote: That they had struck THIS deal: Hillary would dutifully campaign for Barack, frequently and with passion, and so would Bill. And, in exchange, she'd get to lead the Congressional effort for universal health care. And her name might even be attached to the health care plan. Any responsible person would be insane to let her touch the universal health care issue--she screwed it up before, throwing the healthcare industry into a tailspin--we can't take the chance she'll mess it up again. It would be better to have a physician or a nurse do the job (Howard Dean?). Furthermore, she's such a disliked person in so many quarters, she'd be ineffective at such a lightening rod issue. If the road to hell is truly paved with good intentions, the last thing we need is a new road sponsored by Sen. Clinton.
[FairfieldLife] 'Bush Barack to do peace pipe ceremony'
Obama to get his first look at the Oval Offic By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer Ben Feller, Associated Press Writer – 14 mins ago Play Video AP – First person: Obama 'bringing us together' New York Reuters – U.S. President-elect Barack Obama answers a journalist's question during his first press conference … WASHINGTON – Barack Obama has never set foot in the Oval Office. Talk about making an entrance. In a sit-down discussion Monday with President Bush, the president-elect will get his first feel for the place where momentous decisions will soon fall to him. Bush invited Obama for the private talk, a rite of passage between presidents and successors that extends for decades. The moment is sure to be steeped in history, part of a symbolic changing of a guard to Democratic leadership and the country's first black president. But it will be substantive as well, as Bush and Obama are expected to review the nation's enormous economic downturn and the war in Iraq. I'm going to go in there with a spirit of bipartisanship, and a sense that both the president and various leaders of Congress all recognize the severity of the situation right now and want to get stuff done, Obama said last week when asked about his meeting with Bush. Obama won the presidency in an electoral landslide on Tuesday. He ran a campaign in which he relentlessly linked Republican opponent John McCain to Bush and presented his ideas as a fresh alternative to what he called Bush's failed policies. Yet the tone changed almost immediately after Obama's win. Bush, who had endorsed McCain, lauded Obama's victory as a triumph of the American story. He warmly invited the Obama family to the White House. Obama, in turn, thanked Bush for being gracious. The president-elect has made clear to the people of the United States and those watching around the world that there is only one president for now, and that's Bush. Obama is in the transition to power but does not assume the presidency until Jan. 20. Josh Bolten, Bush's chief of staff, said Bush and Obama will be the only ones in the room when they meet. I'm sure each of them will have a list of issues to go down, Bolten said, interviewed on C-SPAN by reporters from The Associated Press and The Washington Post. But I think that's something very personal to both of them. I know the president will want to convey to President-elect Obama his sense of how to deal with some of the most important issues of the day. But exactly how he does that, I don't know, and I don't think anybody will know. Obama and wife, Michelle, are set to arrive at the White House on Monday afternoon. Bush and first lady Laura Bush will greet them. In a bit of pageantry for the cameras, the president and president-elect are to walk along the Colonnade and into the Oval Office. Mrs. Bush and Mrs. Obama will meet privately, too. Unlike the incoming president, Bush knew his way around the Oval Office by the time he was elected in 2000 — his father had been president. Still, like many before them, President Clinton and President-elect Bush had their own private meeting, keeping up a tradition that temporarily puts the presidency above politics. Obama has been to the White House before, including an emergency leadership session to deal with the financial crisis in September. But an Obama spokeswoman said the president-elect has never been in the Oval Office.
[FairfieldLife] Fighting: Armenian....
...and Greek orthodox monks: http://www.iltalehti.fi/nettitv/?28021926
[FairfieldLife] What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means
Our resident expert on What Would Jesus Do? on Fairfield Life has, in his beneficence, clarified for those of us who never under- stood it before what Jesus *really* meant by ¨Turn the other cheek.¨ The key element seems to be whether the person attempting to strike the cheek is doing so from the outside or the inside. Jesus´ original metaphor clearly said that if someone strikes you on the *outside* of your cheek, you should not respond with violence, and in fact should offer the other cheek to the offending person, so that he could strike it as well. However, as the apostle John R has shown us, that´s true only if the offending person is attempting to strike the *outside* of your cheek. If he attempts to touch the *inside* of your cheek -- say, by suggesting that you suck his dick, which might then touch the inside of your cheek -- then in that case the offend- ing person is an ¨abomination¨ in the sight of God and deserves to be killed. It is your right -- and dare I say it, sacred duty -- TO kill the offending abomination. You may not be able to do so ¨easily,¨ as John R suggested that Jesus would have been able to do. He, after all, was the Son Of God and all, and probably had some sooper-dooper siddhis at his disposal with which to waste abominations. Being a mere mortal, you don´t have access to these high-tech ways of killing. Therefore, if all you have at your disposal is a club to hit the abomination with, or a pile of rocks with which to stone him, you can use them. So it is written. So hath Jesus the Christ spoken, as explained by his apostle John R. Aren´t you glad you´ve got the real skinny on this one now, before that planned vacation to San Francisco?
[FairfieldLife] One for John R to expound upon
As the article points out, politics is often all about reinventing oneself, but few politicians do so to the extent that the new mayor of Silverton, Oregon did. Stu Rasmussen is the first transgender mayor in the US. She used to be a he. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/09/americas-first-transgende_n_142503.html or http://tinyurl.com/6nyk9o What I'm wondering, since John R seems to be an expert on such things, is how Jesus would have reacted to such an event. Surgically changing one's gender from male to female would have been undreamed-of in his time, but cross-dressing was common. It is referred to in many historical records of the time, some- times with humor, sometimes with the same fear and loathing and hate speech that John R uses when talking about gays. So tell us, dude. You seem to be holding your- self up as as much of an expert on Jesus and what he would have thought and done as you are an expert on the essential supremacy and un- challengability of the vedic literature. What WOULD Jesus have done w.r.t. to Stu Ras- mussen? Would he have considered him/her an abomination, as you claim he would have considered gay men? As you read the rabbinical law and the Torah that you cite as authorities, would Jesus have been within his *rights* to consider him/her an abomination_ Would he have been within his rights to KILL Stu Rasmussen, as you said he would have been within his rights to kill another man who dared to suggest that Jesus suck his dick? And finally, given your suggestion that Jesus would have been able to kill these abominations easily, what method do you think Jesus would have used to dispatch Stu Rasmussen? Would he have zapped her with some way cool siddhi, or would he have just used a club and beat him/her to death and left him/her to die in a pool of blood? Curious Christians want to know...
[FairfieldLife] Fed won't disclose who got our money
The Federal Reserve is refusing to identify the recipients of almost $2 trillion of emergency loans from American taxpayers or the troubled assets the central bank is accepting as collateral. Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would comply with congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system. Two months later, as the Fed lends far more than that in separate rescue programs that didn't require approval by Congress, Americans have no idea where their money is going or what securities the banks are pledging in return. 'The collateral is not being adequately disclosed, and that's a big problem,' said Dan Fuss, vice chairman of Boston-based Loomis Sayles Co., where he co-manages $17 billion in bonds. 'In a liquid market, this wouldn't matter, but we're not. The market is very nervous and very thin.' Bloomberg News has requested details of the Fed lending under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act and filed a federal lawsuit Nov. 7 seeking to force disclosure. Full story at: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? pid=20601087sid=aatlky_cH.tYrefer=worldwide
[FairfieldLife] 4.3% of the Wall Street bailout could end world hunger
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:23 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: As usual MMY was way ahead of the game with his reverse spiritual bail out package which he has offered to the world for over 30 years. For a couple billion $, conscioussness experts would come and plug the consciousness deficit in the country by infusing lots of PC, putting it back on solid ground. Think about it. 4.3%. 30 billion dollars. Now think about the priorities of the nation that just spent 100% of it on bailing out kleptopaths. Could Just 4% of the Wall Street Bailout End World Hunger? http://www.ecosalon.com/title/Could_Just_4_of_the_Wall_Street_Bailout_End_World_Hunger or http://tinyurl.com/643co2 World hunger seems like one of those grand unsolvable problems the perennial favorite wish of beauty pageant queens. The truth is, it's not unsolvable at all. The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) stated that it would only take $30 billion a year to launch the necessary agricultural programs to completely solve global food insecurity. (Severe hunger afflicts 862 million people annually.) $30 billion sounds like a lot of money, but considering we've just bailed out Wall Street to the tune of nearly a trillion, it's trifling. After I did a little digging, all I could think was...really? $30 billion is all we need to end world hunger? That's it? I thought such a major goal would require some unreachable, vast sum. Here are six things I learned we're doing with that money instead. Global military and arms trade expenditures hit high at about $1 trillion annually. Approximately $540 billion is spent by the United States alone. (I don't mean to single out defense here, but...wow!) The United States Department of Energy spends $23.4 billion yearly just to develop and maintain nuclear warheads. How could we forget the recent $700 (and growing) billion housing bailout bill? In other words, 4% of the Wall Street bailout would end world hunger. The U.S. Congress has approved $44 billion of U.S. funds for Iraqi construction projects (meanwhile, 39% of bridges in the United States have been deemed structurally deficient but that's another story. Am I being partisan?) $30 billion was spent on Homeland Security in 2008, and they're requesting $35 billion for 2009. Lest we pick on ourselves only, residents of the United Kingdom waste about #8356;20 billion worth of food every year. That translates to about $31.7 billion U.S. dollars. You'll notice that the big spenders are on corporations, defense and military organizations, but in my research I didn't intend to focus on this. It's just what we spend on! I can't help but think that if we could channel even a few of those war dollars into peace spending (like helping alleviate world hunger), there might not be much left to fight about in the future. This idealist believes it's worth a try. What do you think?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Ahmadinejad's wife hotter than Palin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enough with all this nitpicky stuff about how much clothing she stole from the DNC She stole clothing from the Democratic National Committee?? After the Republican National Committee bought all those outfits for her? Wow, this is *big* news.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. No, you certainly can't blame MIU as Jonestown happened on November 18, 1978 and I presume Christmas break was sometime in December (probably starting a week before December 25th?). I remember where I was: I had just graduated MIU a few days before (with the block system, if you had transferring credits, you could finish the courses needed to complete a degree, mathematically, at the end of a month's block, which is what happened in my case) and was in a restaurant in O'Hare Airport in Chicago waiting for a connecting flight home. Everyone was talking about it; picked up a paper, too, and saw the headlines. But I'm surprised that you didn't hear about it for so long, Curtis (unless you mixed up the dates and were going home about the same time I was...then it would make sense). Although I had left MIU right then and don't know what the discussion level or reaction was on- campus, I used to frequent the MIU library every day and read the newspapers. I was always au courant regarding world events. I would have to imagine that it would take just one person reading about Jonestown to get the discussion started at MIU and that it would be on the lips of everyone, everywhere: dining hall, class, on the walkways between classes, etc. I simply can't understand how you could possibly have missed the discussion while at MIU. Were you in a clique or cocoon where you had blinders on? Or was MIU so removed from reality that we wouldn't have discussed such a thing? That would be ultimate denial. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory... I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here?
[FairfieldLife] Cult Watch's 10 points applied to the Obama Cult
(I'm pasting the 10 points from raunchydog's earlier post and applying them to the Obama Cult): Cult Watch 10 Points to look out for in your group members 1.Obsession about group or the leader putting it above most other considerations. Absolutely. This is happening across America and, certainly, on this forum. 2.Member's individual identity becomes increasingly fused with the group, the leader and/or God followed by the group.Cloning of the group members or leader's personal behaviors. Obama is becoming the be-all and end-all of many of the Obama-bots. 3.Emotional overreaction when the group or leader is criticized. Seen as evil persecution. This is probably the strongest point. No need to elaborate. QED. 4.Belief that the group is THE WAY and they have a mission Obama-bots -- certainly on this forum -- claim that Obama will solve every problem under the sun. 5.Increasing dependency upon the group or leader for problem solving, explanations, definitions and analysis, and corresponding decline in real, independent thought. Yes! 6.Excessive hyperactivity and work for the group or leader, at the expense of private or family interests. Drifting away from family and old friends Not too strong a point. 7.Preparedness to blindly follow the group or leader and defend actions or statements without seeking independent verification. Absolutely! Just look at OffWorld's fanatical devotion to Obama who he has latched on to ever since his last blind obsession -- Ron Paul -- didn't get anywhere. 8.Demonization of former members or members of alternative groups. This, too, is one of the strongest points. 9.Desire to be praised for doing the right thing and fear of public rebuke Again, just look at the behaviour of the Vermont Wonder. 10.Unhealthy wish to be seen with or aligned publicly with the leader(s) of the group http://tinyurl.com/6e4ad4 http://tinyurl.com/6e4ad4 Rick Archer's name dropping: I personally asked Obama that question!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. With a palpable poignancy, with an economy of words that stuns, it sums for so many meditators the estrangement between family and cultist. With my parents now gone, memories of my part in this divide still can bring a scalding rush of blood to my winching face. One meme that still is so useful for all of us is tender feeling level. It was one of the movement's real and valuable gifts to us -- who now doesn't know that all humans have a feeling-ometer that has the precision of a psychological GPS device? Who doesn't instantly feel it when a chilly wind blows through a conversation and everyone knows the dialog has died? The silence in a room when all spines are crimping is a common experience. It is a moment of to be or not to be. How rarely have I broken through such a wall and reestablished intimacy when indulging in egoic denial is so alluring -- the not-to-be choice has such power, eh? To stand in that silence and await the waning of the emotion's power is a challenge for only the sanest of us to attempt. Thank you for giving us this report with such a truth loving heart. Your last sentence is simply devastating. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory... I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:56 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Thom Hartmann has on various occassions discussed that the existence of a middle class is in no way a given. It is a fragile segment that can easily be swept away. His book Screwed: The Undeclared War Against the Middle Class And What We Can Do About It is excellent and basically predicts the mechanism that would lead to the current financial debacle: Reagan- begun deregulation, Reagan sponsored change of the fairness doctrine and Reagan's non-enforcement of the Sherman anti-trust act. This allowed unopposed sycophants like Rush Limbaugh (nutured heavily on the corporate tit) to spread the mind virus less government, no taxes / taxes and gov't are BAD. Clinton followed the same smaller government trend and sure enough the media was narrowed down to huge conglomerates and towns with two, three or four newspapers became one newspaper towns. The Labor sections of most newspapers disappeared and were replaced by the Business Section. We the People became replaced by We the Corpocracy. Once deregulated corporate greed caused the financial unravelling of the economy, a government run by corporations easily was able to get the taxpayers to foot the bill for their mistakes. It's a great read if you like this kind of thing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: People all over the beep coming to Fairfield next March?
On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:23 AM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps the atmosphere here in Finland (and most of Europe) is so utterly negative, that it's somehow painful to do the siddhis here. Like swimming in a cesspool... As usual MMY was way ahead of the game with his reverse spiritual bail out package which he has offered to the world for over 30 years. For a couple billion $, conscioussness experts would come and plug the consciousness deficit in the country by infusing lots of PC, putting it back on solid ground. Don't worry, already the Religion of Peace is declaring Sharia Law in parts of Europe so soon that 'old time religion' will save us from our own freedom. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
I simply can't understand how you could possibly have missed the discussion while at MIU. Were you in a clique or cocoon where you had blinders on? Spend any time talking to a 20 year old lately? I encounter kids with my own brand of cluelessness. I did run with a philosophy major group who where more interested with Plato than the news. I probably did hear something about it but not in enough detail to link it to a question about Guyana. We weren't exactly focusing on negativity back then. I attribute it to the Palin effect of being so focused on my local concerns that I didn't spend much time on the lower 48... lokas that is! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. No, you certainly can't blame MIU as Jonestown happened on November 18, 1978 and I presume Christmas break was sometime in December (probably starting a week before December 25th?). I remember where I was: I had just graduated MIU a few days before (with the block system, if you had transferring credits, you could finish the courses needed to complete a degree, mathematically, at the end of a month's block, which is what happened in my case) and was in a restaurant in O'Hare Airport in Chicago waiting for a connecting flight home. Everyone was talking about it; picked up a paper, too, and saw the headlines. But I'm surprised that you didn't hear about it for so long, Curtis (unless you mixed up the dates and were going home about the same time I was...then it would make sense). Although I had left MIU right then and don't know what the discussion level or reaction was on- campus, I used to frequent the MIU library every day and read the newspapers. I was always au courant regarding world events. I would have to imagine that it would take just one person reading about Jonestown to get the discussion started at MIU and that it would be on the lips of everyone, everywhere: dining hall, class, on the walkways between classes, etc. I simply can't understand how you could possibly have missed the discussion while at MIU. Were you in a clique or cocoon where you had blinders on? Or was MIU so removed from reality that we wouldn't have discussed such a thing? That would be ultimate denial. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory...
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. As we all know, Barry *has* bee reading these people's posts and frequently comments on them at least indirectly; he certainly hasn't stopped since before the election. In fact, here he *admits* reading their posts, in a post dated November 6: [My way of living with them] is to notice when (and these days it's a rare occurrence) something one of them says pushes some residual attachment button in me. My guideline is that if a post from one of the known trolls causes me to instantly reach for the Reply button, I shouldn't. So I don't. You were never on that list. My decision to not interact with them in any way is based on several things, not approving of them not being one of them. First, I think that inter- acting with them is a waste of my energy, and I prefer to save it for other things. Second, I think that interacting with them is what they WANT. They live to argue, and to start and prolong arguments. Since I don't get off on arguments the way they do, why on earth should I engage in activity that gives them what they want? When you encounter one of these blowhards, you don't have to expend your energy informing other people what they are. All you have to do is push their buttons and sit back and allow them to do it themselves, in their own words. --Barry Wright, November 9 snip Again, the only posts I do not read are by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. They have all established a track record of not being worth the investment of my time in challenging the things they say. (Note that the only kind of interaction worth Barry's time is *challenging* what somebody says.) snip The other four, they can do what they want, because at this point I don't think anyone pays any attention to them anyway. Barry's frustrated because despite saying this for *years*--and *urging* others not to pay attention to these people (in direct contradiction to what he says above)--they still enjoy plenty of interaction here. snip To make matters worse, he unilaterally broke his own fatwa and wrote a spurious and manipulative accusations about a post not addressed to him. 1) I never suggested that I had a fatwa (and you should look up what this term means...it doesn't mean what you think it does) Yes, it does. snip If *I* had suggested that it was not only acceptable but honorable for Jesus to kill a man for asking another man to suck his dick, I think I'd have something to say to explain myself a bit further. But that's just me. This from a person who has repeatedly asserted that he has no need to defend his opinions... snip I repeat my invitation -- not demand -- for you to back up what you said earlier. You suggest that in the scenario Patrick proposed that the historical Jesus would have held to rabbinical law and the Torah (two scriptures he consistently rejected and urged his followers to reject throughout his recorded life) Actually that isn't what he said, to the contrary: Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matt: 5:19). and would have considered the hillbilly trying to force him to suck his dick an abomination. Gonna give Barry a little help here. The prohibition interpreted to be against homosexuality doesn't say anything about men sucking each others' dicks; the abomination (ritual impurity) involves one man lying with another as with a woman. This was interpreted by the Rabbis to mean only anal intercourse (and only between Jews, at that). snip I offered you a chance to respond to them to clarify them a bit and help us to understand what you meant when you said these things, and possibly believe that maybe you are rational when you say such things. You failed to take advantage of that opportunity. Instead, you launched into shoot the messenger and made up some things about me, none of which (as pointed out above) are true. A technique with which Barry is intimately familiar, since he uses it all the time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
I've often wondered how you are doing Edg. Nice to hear from you and many thanks for reading my stuff and taking the time to let me know something resonated. I hope your days are filled with Trikke-ing through the Fall leaves brother! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. With a palpable poignancy, with an economy of words that stuns, it sums for so many meditators the estrangement between family and cultist. With my parents now gone, memories of my part in this divide still can bring a scalding rush of blood to my winching face. One meme that still is so useful for all of us is tender feeling level. It was one of the movement's real and valuable gifts to us -- who now doesn't know that all humans have a feeling-ometer that has the precision of a psychological GPS device? Who doesn't instantly feel it when a chilly wind blows through a conversation and everyone knows the dialog has died? The silence in a room when all spines are crimping is a common experience. It is a moment of to be or not to be. How rarely have I broken through such a wall and reestablished intimacy when indulging in egoic denial is so alluring -- the not-to-be choice has such power, eh? To stand in that silence and await the waning of the emotion's power is a challenge for only the sanest of us to attempt. Thank you for giving us this report with such a truth loving heart. Your last sentence is simply devastating. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory... I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. In a post back in June, I quoted an alt.m.t post from John Knapp of Trancenet (and lately of the TMFree blog) concerning the purported reaction of his TTCC to news of Jonestown, in the context of some hysterical press releases he'd sent out about one of MMY's projects to send TM teachers to third world countries, which he repeatedly warned was likely to turn into another Jonestown. Here it is again, along with my comments. Knapp wrote: (As fate would have it, the Guyana massacre happened during my Teacher Training Phase III. I remember we all held our breath when the TV anchorman announced a massacre among a religious community in Central America. Was he talking about the Maharishi's World Peace Project? Many of us had TM governor friends in Central America at that very moment, rounding to save the world from nuclear disaster.) The World Peace Project Knapp refers to involved groups of TM-Sidhis practitioners going to various trouble spots (Nicaragua for one) to do their program together. The TMers weren't there to save the world from nuclear disaster, but rather with the goal of calming down ongoing local hostilities. Nor, of course, were Knapp and his TTC buddies holding their breaths because they feared a Jonestown-like tragedy among the TMers in Nicaragua. Rather, they were concerned that the TMers might have become innocent casualties of the fighting--a very real possibility which, thankfully, did not occur.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- On Sun, 11/9/08, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: From: raunchydog raunchydog@ Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 7:27 PM I have a great idea. Why not just put Hillary in the stocks on the White House lawn on inauguration day and let passersby throw things at her? How fortunate for Sarah Palin and her family that she has returned to Alaska and can't be put beside Hillary. The Public Humiliation of Hillary Clinton Continues You get your political info from the New York Post? Well slightly better than the National Enquiror. Just because a new committee wasn't formed especially for Hillary, which is hardly ever done, says nothing about the status of health care reform, which will be pursued by the Obama Admin. in conjunction with the democratic congress, which is why democrats campaigned for Obama and the ticket. I now understand the PUMAs better = you're not going to created a whole new committee which allows Hillary to circumvent Senate rules regarding senority and take over health care policy from the Admin. and current Senate leaders of health care who are supposed to be in charge of it, therefore I'm going to throw a hissy fit and fantasize about how this is just like being publicly tortured. Awarding a Senate committee leadership position for a political favor is not out of the ordinary, in fact it's the only way. Whether it was out of self-preservation or Hillary made a deal with Obama to campaign for him, she deserves some gratitude. For years, Hillary has fought harder than anyone has for better health care programs. It was only her, bold enough to say she would to take on the health insurance industry and agreed with Edwards that mandates were necessary in order to transition to universal health care, or ultimately any plan would fail. Obama never wanted mandates because it would eventually reduce insurance company revenues if they had to compete on a level playing field. If we want health care policies that will work, Hillary is the go-to expert. Obama owes pay back to the insurance industry and IMO it isn't likely he will do anything to make the changes that Hillary proposes. http://tinyurl.com/5qty8e http://tinyurl.com/56ovmr
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Sun, 11/9/08, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 7:27 PM I have a great idea. Why not just put Hillary in the stocks on the White House lawn on inauguration day and let passersby throw things at her? How fortunate for Sarah Palin and her family that she has returned to Alaska and can't be put beside Hillary. The Public Humiliation of Hillary Clinton Continues You get your political info from the New York Post? Well slightly better than the National Enquiror. Just because a new committee wasn't formed especially for Hillary, which is hardly ever done, says nothing about the status of health care reform, which will be pursued by the Obama Admin. in conjunction with the democratic congress, which is why democrats campaigned for Obama and the ticket. I now understand the PUMAs better = you're not going to created a whole new committee which allows Hillary to circumvent Senate rules regarding senority and take over health care policy from the Admin. and current Senate leaders of health care who are supposed to be in charge of it, therefore I'm going to throw a hissy fit and fantasize about how this is just like being publicly tortured.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The iconography on the 12,000 year old temple
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/multimedia/photos/ http://www.smithsonianmag.com/multimedia/photos/ ? c=yarticleID=30706129\ page=1 The iconography on the 12,000 year old temple that Turq. posted is very interesting. I haven't read all the details, but perhaps these carvings were added much later. FWIW, I've been reading about this temple for awhile, and I haven't seen anybody, including the guy who's leading the excavation, suggest that the carvings were added later. Everything I've read assumes the carvings were contemporaneous with the construction of the temple. For instance, from Archeology magazine: Excavations have revealed that Göbekli Tepe was constructed in two stages. The oldest structures belong to what archaeologists call the early Pre-Pottery Neolithic A period, which ended around 9000 B.C. Strangely enough, the later remains, which date to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B period, or about 8000 B.C., are less elaborate. The earliest levels contain most of the T-shaped pillars and animal sculptures. http://www.archaeology.org/0811/abstracts/turkey.html http://www.archaeology.org/0811/abstracts/turkey.html They are strangely advanced, slightly reminiscent of Egyptian heiroglyphs, but more organic like a medieval style. Exactly right, well described. If they do date that far back, they're absolutely astonishing. Most of the carvings don't make sense on these. Such clear cut lines of rectangular blocks of stone stone and then carvings just haphazard all over the place, and cut off. Anyone that is going to cut their stone in that careful way is going to make a more formal design and treat the face of the stone like a canvass to design, not just carve something in and have it cut off willy nilly. I think the blocks and the carvings are completely unrelated. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
As I was reading your list, Raunchydog, I kept going back and forth in my mind whether each point was referring to the TMO or the Obama Cult. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cult Watch 10 Points to look out for in your group members 1.Obsession about group or the leader putting it above most other considerations. 2.Member's individual identity becomes increasingly fused with the group, the leader and/or God followed by the group.Cloning of the group members or leader's personal behaviors. 3.Emotional overreaction when the group or leader is criticized. Seen as evil persecution. 4.Belief that the group is THE WAY and they have a mission 5.Increasing dependency upon the group or leader for problem solving, explanations, definitions and analysis, and corresponding decline in real, independent thought. 6.Excessive hyperactivity and work for the group or leader, at the expense of private or family interests. Drifting away from family and old friends 7.Preparedness to blindly follow the group or leader and defend actions or statements without seeking independent verification. 8.Demonization of former members or members of alternative groups. 9.Desire to be praised for doing the right thing and fear of public rebuke 10.Unhealthy wish to be seen with or aligned publicly with the leader(s) of the group http://tinyurl.com/6e4ad4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: a friend of mine from Canada was in Guyana at the time teaching TM. The parents of one of the other TM teachers from Canada was so freaked out she called the RCMP. A propos of a previous posting, my friend says that the government there continually accused them of being CIA agents. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When this happened, I was in Iran on the World Peace Project/Minister Training Course. I was fascinated with this and skipped the evening meeting to read the TIME Magazine cover story about it. My course buddies freaked out because I was in someone else¹s room and they couldn¹t find me and figured I might have been kidnapped or something. on 11/18/03 11:26 AM, Captain Mars at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends: Interesting segment on TV this morning, in recognition of the 25th anniversary of the tragedy in Jonestown. Reminding uss that more than 900 followers committed suicide or were murdered under the orders of the cult leader, Jim Jones. Reports indicate Jones suffered from paranoia and, among other things, thought the CIA had infiltrated his organization. CM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. I agree. I emailed Curtis privately to suggest that he write a book, perhaps about his spiritual odyssey. I think he could do it with a lot of humor and wisdom and it would sell well. He's a great writer and is wasting his time selling real estate. Singing Delta Blues definitely not a waste though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory... I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What ¨Turn the other che ek¨ really means
--- On Mon, 11/10/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:22 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. [snip] I find it rather amusing, Peter, that you go out of your way to adhere to the Biblical principle practised by ultra-Orthodox Jews of not writing the name God but, instead, writing G*d and you do so within the context of telling us about a gay wedding you attended. Let me see if I've got this straight: - Celebrating and encouraging Sodomites: Good - Writing the Name of God: Bad. Have I got that straight (no pun intended)? Pretty much! I even danced the night away with gay men (and my wife). Will I be going to hell soon? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch: Consciousness, Creativity and the Brain - 109 minutes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/6daayr Probably the best intro to TM by a non-Governor I have ever heard.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is Ahmadinejad's wife hotter than Palin?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Enough with all this nitpicky stuff about how much clothing she stole from the DNC She stole clothing from the Democratic National Committee?? After the Republican National Committee bought all those outfits for her? Wow, this is *big* news. I also understand that Barry believes Sarah Palin shot JFK. You watch: next, Barry will be telling us that he saw Palin levitating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I simply can't understand how you could possibly have missed the discussion while at MIU. Were you in a clique or cocoon where you had blinders on? Spend any time talking to a 20 year old lately? I encounter kids with my own brand of cluelessness. I've got Curtis's cluelessness as a 20-year-old beat by a mile, and I wasn't even at MIU, I was at Oberlin, which has a long history of very active concern with current affairs. I missed the Cuban missile crisis. Completely. It happened the first semester of my senior year. I can't now recall when I found out about it, but it was well after my graduation the following spring-- What 'Cuban missile crisis'? What are you talking about? I literally had no idea. It seems impossible, because it would have been *the* major topic of conversation on campus, and it would have at least been mentioned, I should think, in most classes. I was heavily involved in extracurricular theater, so I was most likely wrapped up in some upcoming production, and the theater crowd I ran with was pretty cocooned, but still...! My roommate wasn't involved in theater; wouldn't she have mentioned it? Wouldn't I have heard about it during meals at the dorm? Could I possibly have heard people talking about an imminent nuclear war with Russia and *not registered it*? Mind-boggling.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've often wondered how you are doing Edg. Nice to hear from you and many thanks for reading my stuff and taking the time to let me know something resonated. I hope your days are filled with Trikke-ing through the Fall leaves brother! Oh, Jesus. Don't encourage him, Curtis. He'll likely not only kill himself but I suspect that some child will be buried under a pile of leaves (as children are wont to do playing with autumn leaves) and he'll drive his goddamn Trikke-Death-Trap right over the poor little tykes. It's one thing to want to kill yourself, Edge of Wetness, with that crazy contraption; it's quite another to start taking the lives of innocent children! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. With a palpable poignancy, with an economy of words that stuns, it sums for so many meditators the estrangement between family and cultist. With my parents now gone, memories of my part in this divide still can bring a scalding rush of blood to my winching face. One meme that still is so useful for all of us is tender feeling level. It was one of the movement's real and valuable gifts to us -- who now doesn't know that all humans have a feeling-ometer that has the precision of a psychological GPS device? Who doesn't instantly feel it when a chilly wind blows through a conversation and everyone knows the dialog has died? The silence in a room when all spines are crimping is a common experience. It is a moment of to be or not to be. How rarely have I broken through such a wall and reestablished intimacy when indulging in egoic denial is so alluring -- the not-to-be choice has such power, eh? To stand in that silence and await the waning of the emotion's power is a challenge for only the sanest of us to attempt. Thank you for giving us this report with such a truth loving heart. Your last sentence is simply devastating. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. My where were you when memory of Rev. Jim's Cool-aid party (what would we do without that phrase?) was being driven home from the airport by my dad on Christmas break. He asked me what I thought of what happened in Guyana. Thoreau once wrote that if you have read one newspaper you have read them all, a war over here, man eaten by a crocodile over there...he had me convinced that I should only read the eternal verities, things which would not change...which I interpreted to mean all things TM, scriptures and writings from philosophers. Needless to say I had experienced a total media blackout at MIU and knew NOTHING about the shocking events. After a feeble attempt to change the subject my dad began to realize that his son, who he was already fearing was knee deep in a cult, hadn't heard of any of it. Did they keep the news away from you, he asked suspiciously? His alarm grew in leaps and bounds as his world events quiz revealed a total lack of outside information. I can't blame MIU, I was hyper focused by choice. Certainly there was not a real focus on current events that didn't prove how magically wonderful we all were, and how we were fixing the whole wide world with our eyes wide shut. No need to even think about the problems on the level of the problems right? But some of my classmates went to the library and read the paper, although it didn't dominate dinner conversations. (Oh yeah, I was often in silent dining where the level of flirting meaningful glances was most intense.) It was years later when I saw the films and heard the eerie audio of the event, quickly, quickly, children and saw the aerial photos of the bloated bodies making it all look like a fat camp nap time. I began to understand the horror my dad must have felt with his son coming back each holiday with increasingly strange habits and the odd confidence I had in making absurd, parroted claims. Did ya know that scientists have found out that a super cooled piece of metal will become coherent? Blanks stares from my parents. Well I continued, this is exactly what happens when we meditate, our minds become coherent as the activity settles down. The silence only broken by the clinking of ice in martini glasses as they contemplated their son being photoed from above with all of MIU strewn around the campus like an explosion at the Cabbage Patch doll factory... I was in Iran on the world peace project when it
[FairfieldLife] Re: 4.3% of the Wall Street bailout could end world hunger
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- You'll notice that the big spenders are on corporations, defense and military organizations, but in my research I didn't intend to focus on this. It's just what we spend on! I can't help but think that if we could channel even a few of those war dollars into peace spending (like helping alleviate world hunger), there might not be much left to fight about in the future. This idealist believes it's worth a try. What do you think? i think that there are situations like in the sudan and somalia and other areas in the world where the problem is one of corruption and distribution problems, where it wouldn't matter how much money was thrown at hunger, the political situation would not guarantee that the hungry get fed. i also agree that as the world's largest arms dealer and war starter by far, the US could spend some of that cash on more peaceful programs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. As we all know, Barry *has* bee reading these people's posts and frequently comments on them at least indirectly; he certainly hasn't stopped since before the election. But don't you see how ridiculous that comment is even if true? The election happened on Nov. 4th. It's Nov. 10th today...just 6 days since the election...and, okay, let's add two days because he said slightly before the election for a total of 8 days of self- imposed abstinence. But this insanity on Barry's part has been going on for nigh on 12 years (i.e., 4,380 days)! And he's bragging about being sober for 8 friggin' days? Please. Any sane person would have taken such a course of action 11 years, 11 months and 10 days ago (i.e., 4,360 days ago). So even if true (which of course it isn't...he's not only reading this but all posts having to do with him), 8 days is nothing to speak of balanced against the 4,360 days ago when he should have started the plan. In fact, here he *admits* reading their posts, in a post dated November 6: [My way of living with them] is to notice when (and these days it's a rare occurrence) something one of them says pushes some residual attachment button in me. My guideline is that if a post from one of the known trolls causes me to instantly reach for the Reply button, I shouldn't. So I don't. You were never on that list. My decision to not interact with them in any way is based on several things, not approving of them not being one of them. First, I think that inter- acting with them is a waste of my energy, and I prefer to save it for other things. Second, I think that interacting with them is what they WANT. They live to argue, and to start and prolong arguments. Since I don't get off on arguments the way they do, why on earth should I engage in activity that gives them what they want? When you encounter one of these blowhards, you don't have to expend your energy informing other people what they are. All you have to do is push their buttons and sit back and allow them to do it themselves, in their own words. --Barry Wright, November 9 snip Again, the only posts I do not read are by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. They have all established a track record of not being worth the investment of my time in challenging the things they say. (Note that the only kind of interaction worth Barry's time is *challenging* what somebody says.) snip The other four, they can do what they want, because at this point I don't think anyone pays any attention to them anyway. Barry's frustrated because despite saying this for *years*--and *urging* others not to pay attention to these people (in direct contradiction to what he says above)--they still enjoy plenty of interaction here. snip To make matters worse, he unilaterally broke his own fatwa and wrote a spurious and manipulative accusations about a post not addressed to him. 1) I never suggested that I had a fatwa (and you should look up what this term means...it doesn't mean what you think it does) Yes, it does. snip If *I* had suggested that it was not only acceptable but honorable for Jesus to kill a man for asking another man to suck his dick, I think I'd have something to say to explain myself a bit further. But that's just me. This from a person who has repeatedly asserted that he has no need to defend his opinions... snip I repeat my invitation -- not demand -- for you to back up what you said earlier. You suggest that in the scenario Patrick proposed that the historical Jesus would have held to rabbinical law and the Torah (two scriptures he consistently rejected and urged his followers to reject throughout his recorded life) Actually that isn't what he said, to the contrary: Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven (Matt: 5:19). and would have considered the hillbilly trying to force him to suck his dick an abomination. Gonna give Barry a little help here. The prohibition interpreted to be against homosexuality doesn't say anything about men sucking each others' dicks; the abomination (ritual impurity) involves one man lying with another as with a woman. This was interpreted by the Rabbis to mean only anal intercourse (and only between Jews, at that). snip I offered you a chance to respond to them to clarify them a bit and help us to understand
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jonestown
When we invaded Iraq MMY went on Larry King and said that those perpetrating the killing were going to hell. When the Buddhist monks in Vietnam burned themselves up he said it was a foolish waste of life. So to suggest that gloating a bit sums his reaction to human tragedy seems a bit uncharitable. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jonestown To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:53 AM This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn’t show up for a meeting because I was in a friend’s room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that “a Christian cult had committed suicide.” He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat’s reaction was basically, “Are you nuts? Don’t you know what we’ve been through down here?”
[FairfieldLife] Re: What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Mon, 11/10/08, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What ¨Turn the other cheek¨ really means To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 10:22 AM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: [snip] Speaking of dick sucking, I just went to a gay wedding last night and I have never seen so many abominations in the sight of G*d. Where shall he smote first? Such a dilemma. [snip] I find it rather amusing, Peter, that you go out of your way to adhere to the Biblical principle practised by ultra-Orthodox Jews of not writing the name God but, instead, writing G*d and you do so within the context of telling us about a gay wedding you attended. Let me see if I've got this straight: - Celebrating and encouraging Sodomites: Good - Writing the Name of God: Bad. Have I got that straight (no pun intended)? Pretty much! I even danced the night away with gay men (and my wife). Will I be going to hell soon? Depends upon which crack or crevice your Little Elvis found itself in at night's end. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] I've got Curtis's cluelessness as a 20-year-old beat by a mile, and I wasn't even at MIU, I was at Oberlin, I simply can't understand how anyone can name an institution of higher learning after a Hollywood starlette. Certainly The Dark Angel was a great film and her acting was outstanding, but still...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cult Watch's 10 points applied to the Obama Cult
i personally would much prefer a world of obama-bots vs. the horrible bush-bots, known as ditto heads through the drug addicted bush/cheney proxy, rush limbaugh. all the fear mongering stories about those who lawfully elected obama, are nothing in the face of the disgusting corrupt and violent tendencies of the (Thank God) outgoing adminstration of the horrible bush, and killer cheney. i found the story of how bush treated obama at their first meeting, bush publicly taking a big dollop of hand sanitizer from an aide after shaking obama's hand, sickening and revolting. i hope that bush and cheney and their bush bots spend some time reflecting on how they have brought this country to the brink of disaster, instead of distracting themselves with what might happen with a liberal (it actually isn't a bad word) black president. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm pasting the 10 points from raunchydog's earlier post and applying them to the Obama Cult): -snip-
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we invaded Iraq MMY went on Larry King and said that those perpetrating the killing were going to hell. When the Buddhist monks in Vietnam burned themselves up he said it was a foolish waste of life. So to suggest that gloating a bit sums his reaction to human tragedy seems a bit uncharitable. Are you saying that you don't think MMY gloated in that circumstance? That perhaps Rick is not reporting MMY's reaction fairly? If so, I would remind you of the callous and outrageous reaction he had to Shuvender Sem's murder of Levi Butler: he blamed it on society at large, didn't he (can't remember exactly as I'm going on memory)? And negative collective consciousness or something like that? What I am sure of is that he didn't take any responsibility himself. That's pretty heartless considering that his very own policies may have contributed to the murder. So I don't doubt for a second the veracity of Rick's reporting. --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jonestown To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 8:53 AM This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. As we all know, Barry *has* bee reading these people's posts and frequently comments on them at least indirectly; he certainly hasn't stopped since before the election. But don't you see how ridiculous that comment is even if true? The election happened on Nov. 4th. It's Nov. 10th today...just 6 days since the election...and, okay, let's add two days because he said slightly before the election for a total of 8 days of self- imposed abstinence. But this insanity on Barry's part has been going on for nigh on 12 years (i.e., 4,380 days)! And he's bragging about being sober for 8 friggin' days? Please. Any sane person would have taken such a course of action 11 years, 11 months and 10 days ago (i.e., 4,360 days ago). So even if true (which of course it isn't...he's not only reading this but all posts having to do with him), 8 days is nothing to speak of balanced against the 4,360 days ago when he should have started the plan. -snip- to paraphrase keith obermann on his show, perhaps we keep a running total, like: four thousand, three hundred and seventy two days since B. has ignored Judy's posts...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This week is the 30th anniversary of Jonestown. I was in Iran on the world peace project when it happened and my buddies freaked out when I went missing one night. I didn't show up for a meeting because I was in a friend's room reading about the incident in his TIME magazine. When we got back to Switzerland Maharishi commented that a Christian cult had committed suicide. He was gloating a bit, as he was pissed at the fundamentalists for opposing TM in the schools, etc., and he was lumping the Jonestown cult in with them. A year or two later, MMY send a small delegation to Guyana to ask government officials there to give land and support for a Sidhaland in the jungle. The government bureaucrat's reaction was basically, Are you nuts? Don't you know what we've been through down here? Actually, at the time that Jonestown happened, there was a delegation of Canadian TM teachers who had been living in Guyana teaching TM for about a year. One of them -- a Peter somebody, I think, can't remember his name at the moment -- came from a well-to-do family in Montreal. When his mother heard about Jonestown -- knowing that her son was currently living and working with a cult in Guyana -- she totally freaked out and contacted the RCMP to see what happened to her son (this was before cell phones where one could just phone your son no matter where he was in the world and he could pick up right away). Don't know what the upshot of all of it was, though. Curleigh King was involved with those TM teachers, visiting them on occasion and co-ordinating things between them and the government who, of course, the TMers were courting. I think a principle that holds true for TM and their relationships with governments is: the smaller and more insignificant a country, the more chance TM operatives actually have of contacting and working with a country's government. And Guyana was no exception. At the time, Guyana was run by a Marxist government (or one sympathetic to Marxism) and until Jonestown happened I believed the TMers were making inroads. Ironically, the TM teachers were often accused of being CIA by the government. I say ironically because this was around the time that MMY developed his paranoia about CIA operatives infiltrating the TMO.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. As we all know, Barry *has* bee reading these people's posts and frequently comments on them at least indirectly; he certainly hasn't stopped since before the election. But don't you see how ridiculous that comment is even if true? The election happened on Nov. 4th. It's Nov. 10th today...just 6 days since the election...and, okay, let's add two days because he said slightly before the election for a total of 8 days of self- imposed abstinence. But this insanity on Barry's part has been going on for nigh on 12 years (i.e., 4,380 days)! And he's bragging about being sober for 8 friggin' days? Please. Any sane person would have taken such a course of action 11 years, 11 months and 10 days ago (i.e., 4,360 days ago). So even if true (which of course it isn't...he's not only reading this but all posts having to do with him), 8 days is nothing to speak of balanced against the 4,360 days ago when he should have started the plan. -snip- to paraphrase keith obermann on his show, perhaps we keep a running total, like: four thousand, three hundred and seventy two days since B. has ignored Judy's posts... Yes! Making it a public tote board, so to speak, may be the very thing that will actually make him adhere to the policy! Great idea!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so it was just a personal fantasy of mine. (snip) Poor girl! If it's not one thing, it's another... She tries harder than anyone I know of, and look at the result... Perhaps she should just relax a little. Maybe she's just been sort of frustrated in certain ways in her marriage. I always has some strange feeling she was Marie Antionette in a past life. She loves French furniture from that period, I heard... So, compared to that fate, she's doing ok... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A prediction on the heels of the apparent win of Prop 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip He (I) said that I would no longer read or reply to any posts made by the four people on my Do Not Bother With List. I have not, since slightly before the election. As we all know, Barry *has* bee reading these people's posts and frequently comments on them at least indirectly; he certainly hasn't stopped since before the election. But don't you see how ridiculous that comment is even if true? The election happened on Nov. 4th. It's Nov. 10th today...just 6 days since the election...and, okay, let's add two days because he said slightly before the election for a total of 8 days of self- imposed abstinence. But this insanity on Barry's part has been going on for nigh on 12 years (i.e., 4,380 days)! And he's bragging about being sober for 8 friggin' days? What's even funnier is that he has *regularly* declared over those 4,380 days, and before that for years on alt.m.t, that he had stopped reading the posts of those he disagrees with.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] I've got Curtis's cluelessness as a 20-year-old beat by a mile, and I wasn't even at MIU, I was at Oberlin, I simply can't understand how anyone can name an institution of higher learning after a Hollywood starlette. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._F._Oberlin
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cult Watch's 10 points applied to the Obama Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip i found the story of how bush treated obama at their first meeting, bush publicly taking a big dollop of hand sanitizer from an aide after shaking obama's hand, sickening and revolting. Oopsie, you didn't get quite all the story: Obama! Bush exclaimed, according to Obama's account of the meeting in his second memoir, The Audacity of Hope. Come here and meet Laura. Laura, you remember Obama. We saw him on TV during election night. Beautiful family. And that wife of yours -- that's one impressive lady. The two men shook hands and then, according to Obama, Bush turned to an aide, who squirted a big dollop of hand sanitizer in the president's hand. Bush then offered some to Obama, who recalled: Not wanting to seem unhygienic, I took a squirt. http://tinyurl.com/5jfdgv
[FairfieldLife] Tuesday: The father of Repugnican dirty tricks on IPTV
Tuesday: The father of Repugnican dirty tricks on IPTV Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story (#2703) TV Schedule: * http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?date=11-11-2008start=20:00highlight=145_ 2703 Tue, November 11, 2008 8:00 PM ( http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=HDdate=11-11-2008start=20:00hig hlight=145_2703 IPTV HD) http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=HD HD (High Definition) * http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?date=11-11-2008start=21:00highlight=145_ 2703 Tue, November 11, 2008 9:00 PM ( http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=IPTVdate=11-11-2008start=21:00h ighlight=145_2703 IPTV) * http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?date=11-11-2008start=23:00highlight=145_ 2703 Tue, November 11, 2008 11:00 PM ( http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=HDdate=11-11-2008start=23:00hig hlight=145_2703 IPTV HD) http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=HD HD (High Definition) * http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?date=11-12-2008start=19:30highlight=145_ 2703 Wed, November 12, 2008 7:30 PM ( http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=CREATEdate=11-12-2008start=19:30 highlight=145_2703 IPTV Create/World) * http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?date=11-12-2008start=23:00highlight=145_ 2703 Wed, November 12, 2008 11:00 PM ( http://www.iptv.org/schedule.cfm?channel=CREATEdate=11-12-2008start=23:00 highlight=145_2703 IPTV Create/World) A revealing look at the life of the controversial, take-no-prisoners Republican political operative. http://www.iptv.org/series.cfm/145/frontline/ep:2703 In the wake of yet another hard-fought and bitter presidential campaign, FRONTLINE presents a spirited and revealing biography of Lee Atwater, the charming, Machiavellian godfather of modern, take-no-prisoners Republican political campaigns. Through eye-opening interviews with Atwater's closest friends and adversaries, the film explores the life of the controversial political operative who mentored Karl Rove and George W. Bush, led the GOP to historic victories, and wrote the party's winning playbook. The story tracks Atwater's rise from his beginnings in South Carolina as a high school election kingmaker all the way to the White House and his subsequent battle with cancer and final search for forgiveness and redemption. To Democrats, Atwater was a political assassin who one Congresswoman dubbed the most evil man in America, but to Republicans he remains a hero for his deep understanding of the American voter and his unapologetic vision of politics as warfare. Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story Boogie Man is a gripping political thriller about Lee Atwater, a blues-playing rogue whose rambunctious rise from the South to Chairman of the GOP made him a political rock star. He mentored George W. Bush and Karl Rove while leading the Republican party to historic victories, helping make liberal a dirty word, and transforming the way America elects our Presidents. In eye-opening interviews with elite Republicans and friends of Atwater, Boogie Man sheds new light on his crucial role in America's shift to the right. To Democrats offended by the 1988 Willie Horton controversy, Atwater was a remorseless political assassin aptly dubbed by one Congresswoman the most evil man in America. But he remains a hero to many Republicans for his irreverent sense of humor, his deep understanding of the American heartland, and his unapologetic vision of politics as war. This film builds to a moving portrait of a cynic's desperate deathbed search for meaning. After Boogie Man, you won't see American politics the same way again! Jake Tapper of ABC writes: ABC News has learned that Warren Tompkins, one of the strategists of then-Gov. George W. Bush's South Carolina campaign in 2000 -- which Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., blamed for his family being slimed -- is now a part of the McCain-Palin campaign team, albeit in an unofficial role. Tompkins, a protégé of Lee Atwater*, has been dispatched to North Carolina to assess the state for the McCain-Palin campaign, Southern GOP strategists tell ABC News. ... The news of Tompkins being brought on board the McCain campaign brings to a total of three the number of GOP operatives McCain now is using despite the fact that he once held them responsible for the ugly campaign that contributed to his South Carolina primary defeat, a campaign in which McCain's wife Cindy was attacked for her past addiction to painkillers, and the McCains' adopted Bangladeshi daughter, Bridget, was targeted as his illegitimate black baby. *Harvey Leroy Lee Atwater (February 27, 1951 March 29, 1991) was an American political consultant and strategist to the Republican party. He was an advisor of U.S. Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. He was also a political mentor and close friend of Republican strategist Karl Rove. Atwater invented or improved upon many of the techniques of modern electoral politics, including promulgating unflattering rumors and attempting to drive up opponents' negative poll numbers with the
RE: [FairfieldLife] Jonestown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chadwick Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:08 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Jonestown When we invaded Iraq MMY went on Larry King and said that those perpetrating the killing were going to hell. When the Buddhist monks in Vietnam burned themselves up he said it was a foolish waste of life. So to suggest that gloating a bit sums his reaction to human tragedy seems a bit uncharitable. I was in the room when he said it. He didn't seem remorseful. He was more concerned about how it might impact the TMO (increased fear of cults) than about the lives lost.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ironically, the TM teachers were often accused of being CIA by the government. I say ironically because this was around the time that MMY developed his paranoia about CIA operatives infiltrating the TMO. Paranoia ? It was a fact. I personally know one fellow, now on Purusha, who worked for CIA: he was caught redhanded with envelopes of reports. Maharishi asked him if he would give it up and he said yes. This is now about 30 years ago and his involvement with the CIA was never mentioned later. Apparently Maharishi simply said he should just forget about it. And the two crew-cut and armed with pistols americans caught on the bridge to the Kulm in 1976 did not come from the Salvation Army. Nor the fellows who called Indian Mayors just before the visit from the group later to become american Purusha in 1982 and warned them about a very dangerous group which was about to vist their towns. Info only a few Purusha-fellows would have. The list of inscidents is long. Very long.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: [snip] I've got Curtis's cluelessness as a 20-year-old beat by a mile, and I wasn't even at MIU, I was at Oberlin, I simply can't understand how anyone can name an institution of higher learning after a Hollywood starlette. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._F._Oberlin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merle_Oberon
[FairfieldLife] Ludwig van Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata
Nice ... gentle ... pleasant ... masterpiece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Public Humiliation of Hillary Continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 2:57 AM, raunchydog wrote: That they had struck THIS deal: Hillary would dutifully campaign for Barack, frequently and with passion, and so would Bill. And, in exchange, she'd get to lead the Congressional effort for universal health care. And her name might even be attached to the health care plan. Any responsible person would be insane to let her touch the universal health care issue--she screwed it up before, throwing the healthcare industry into a tailspin Talk about cluelessness! Vaj is only about 15 years behind the times. From Newsweek, September 17, 2007: How Hillary Won Over the Health-Care Industry She was persona non grata in the early 1990s, when the then-first lady's dramatic health-care reform package went down. These days Hillary Clinton is winning raves among health-care-industry groupsand attracting their campaign dollars. Read the article: http://www.newsweek.com/id/40947 Her health-care plan during the primaries was widely considered to be the best of any of the candidates'. As is so often the case with Vaj, it's hard to tell whether he really believes what he says above--and it's really *profoundly* ignorant-- or whether he's hoping *readers* are so ignorant they'll believe him. (Of course, nobody here will correct him but me-- and maybe raunchydog--even if they know how wrong he is. And he doesn't read my posts, so he'll continue blithely embarrassing himself.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cult Watch's 10 points applied to the Obama Cult
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_reply@ wrote: snip i found the story of how bush treated obama at their first meeting, bush publicly taking a big dollop of hand sanitizer from an aide after shaking obama's hand, sickening and revolting. Oopsie, you didn't get quite all the story: Obama! Bush exclaimed, according to Obama's account of the meeting in his second memoir, The Audacity of Hope. Come here and meet Laura. Laura, you remember Obama. We saw him on TV during election night. Beautiful family. And that wife of yours -- that's one impressive lady. The two men shook hands and then, according to Obama, Bush turned to an aide, who squirted a big dollop of hand sanitizer in the president's hand. Bush then offered some to Obama, who recalled: Not wanting to seem unhygienic, I took a squirt. http://tinyurl.com/5jfdgv ...and regardless of what Peter and E.D. may think of Bush's policies, you can't take away from him the fact that he appointed more African-Americans to higher cabinet positions than any other president in history. Say what you will about Bush but don't take that away from him. Indeed, we shall have to see if Barack surpasses him in this regard...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
It's like I won the lottery of kudos today! Thanks Rick. I haven't sold homes since '89. Mortgage banking carried me till a few years ago when I turned my part-time music business into full time. My life's mission now is preserving 20's and 30's acoustic blues, and performing in educational settings where the historical details can be appreciated. About six years ago I took a wonderful adult ed creative nonfiction course, learning to use fiction techniques in telling non fiction stories. As my project I used my Maharishi years and wrote many chapters. I only re-wrote a few, and as we all know, writing IS re-writing. I even had a working title: I Was a Ventriloquist for the Maharishi referring in part of its double meaning to my time in Sidhaland performing ventriloquist bus and bicycle safety shows in schools to make money for the Florida Academy in Avon Park. It kept me out of the hot sun picking oranges with migrants which was many other sidha's fate at the time when National cut us off financially and we had to fend for ourselves. I haven't really settled on a coherent angle other than a coming of age story for people my age who go into a spiritual group. Hard to compete with Monkey on a Stick serving up murder in their narrative! So the project is on hold till I figure out what aspect of my experience would be worth the work. I don't have any delusions about it getting published. I have a close friend whose book just came out from Bantam at Random House called Stalking Irish Madness, searching for the Roots of My Family's Schizophrenia, so I've had a front row seat on what it takes. (his book is fantastic) http://tinyurl.com/5l6jt3 Basically I would have to be as passionate about the value of this project as I am about preserving acoustic Delta blues and I really can't see that happening any time soon. If you start with the assumption that 90% of the value of writing about my experiences is to help me sort out my own feelings and perspectives, then FFL serves that need very nicely. Thanks for that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. I agree. I emailed Curtis privately to suggest that he write a book, perhaps about his spiritual odyssey. I think he could do it with a lot of humor and wisdom and it would sell well. He's a great writer and is wasting his time selling real estate. Singing Delta Blues definitely not a waste though.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Ironically, the TM teachers were often accused of being CIA by the government. I say ironically because this was around the time that MMY developed his paranoia about CIA operatives infiltrating the TMO. Paranoia ? It was a fact. I personally know one fellow, now on Purusha, who worked for CIA: he was caught redhanded with envelopes of reports. Oh, really, Cult Member #203847. Pray tell, what is his name? Maharishi asked him if he would give it up and he said yes. This is now about 30 years ago and his involvement with the CIA was never mentioned later. Apparently Maharishi simply said he should just forget about it. How convenient. And the two crew-cut and armed with pistols americans caught on the bridge to the Kulm in 1976 did not come from the Salvation Army. Okay. So you allege that the CIA -- operatives and employees of a foreign government -- violated the sovereignty of Switzerland, an obvious and serious crime. Where and when was this reported, please. Nor the fellows who called Indian Mayors just before the visit from the group later to become american Purusha in 1982 and warned them about a very dangerous group which was about to vist their towns. Info only a few Purusha-fellows would have. The list of inscidents is long. Very long. Okay, then, if the list is long, very long it shouldn't be too difficult for you to come up with, say, 5 more incidents. Cite them, please, with accompanying docuementation of their veracity. I thank you in advance for responding to my requests for information, Nabby
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown If you start with the assumption that 90% of the value of writing about my experiences is to help me sort out my own feelings and perspectives, then FFL serves that need very nicely. Thanks for that! Maybe someday you should take all your FFL writings and make them into a book. You've written some stuff here that deserves a wider audience. Nice to hear that you're full-time on the music. I thought you were doing real estate to pay the bills.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
Sahemp: Oh, really, Cult Member #203847. Pray tell, what is his name? Yeah, getting out of the CIA when you have been working as an undercover operative is just like getting off an email list. You just check the box for: no more CIA contact and they just leave you alone from that point on. It's just that simple! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Ironically, the TM teachers were often accused of being CIA by the government. I say ironically because this was around the time that MMY developed his paranoia about CIA operatives infiltrating the TMO. Paranoia ? It was a fact. I personally know one fellow, now on Purusha, who worked for CIA: he was caught redhanded with envelopes of reports. Oh, really, Cult Member #203847. Pray tell, what is his name? Maharishi asked him if he would give it up and he said yes. This is now about 30 years ago and his involvement with the CIA was never mentioned later. Apparently Maharishi simply said he should just forget about it. How convenient. And the two crew-cut and armed with pistols americans caught on the bridge to the Kulm in 1976 did not come from the Salvation Army. Okay. So you allege that the CIA -- operatives and employees of a foreign government -- violated the sovereignty of Switzerland, an obvious and serious crime. Where and when was this reported, please. Nor the fellows who called Indian Mayors just before the visit from the group later to become american Purusha in 1982 and warned them about a very dangerous group which was about to vist their towns. Info only a few Purusha-fellows would have. The list of inscidents is long. Very long. Okay, then, if the list is long, very long it shouldn't be too difficult for you to come up with, say, 5 more incidents. Cite them, please, with accompanying docuementation of their veracity. I thank you in advance for responding to my requests for information, Nabby
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like I won the lottery of kudos today! Thanks Rick. I haven't sold homes since '89. Mortgage banking carried me till a few years ago when I turned my part-time music business into full time. My life's mission now is preserving 20's and 30's acoustic blues, and performing in educational settings where the historical details can be appreciated. About six years ago I took a wonderful adult ed creative nonfiction course, learning to use fiction techniques in telling non fiction stories. As my project I used my Maharishi years and wrote many chapters. I only re-wrote a few, and as we all know, writing IS re-writing. I even had a working title: I Was a Ventriloquist for the Maharishi referring in part of its double meaning to my time in Sidhaland performing ventriloquist bus and bicycle safety shows in schools to make money for the Florida Academy in Avon Park. It kept me out of the hot sun picking oranges with migrants which was many other sidha's fate at the time when National cut us off financially and we had to fend for ourselves. I haven't really settled on a coherent angle other than a coming of age story for people my age who go into a spiritual group. Hard to compete with Monkey on a Stick serving up murder in their narrative! So the project is on hold till I figure out what aspect of my experience would be worth the work. I don't have any delusions about it getting published. RECIPE FOR SUCCESS: 1) Self-publish. Costs in quantities of more than 1,000 about $2.00 apiece. 2) Set up a website from which you sell the book (Yahoo! has a great program for about $15.00 a month in which they will do the credit card processing for you as well as a template design for the site). Plus, add a button for PayPal. Amazon also has a program for self- publishers in which they'll sell your book themselves and put you and your book into their database so that it will come up on their search. 3) Charge $25.00 a copy, plus $4.95 shipping and handling (that way you can say you sell your book for $25.00 a copy but you net $26.00 a copy! Quite irrational-sounding but quite true!). 4) From just the niche-cult demographic, you're good to sell at least 1,000 copies (for a net profit of about $26,000.00 even after considering per-cost printing, credit card fees, postage, and envelopes). By using word-of-mouth and mentions on online forums (such as this one), you won't have to pay for advertising and marketing (at least for the initial 1,000 sales). From advertising, you can get a whole other secondary market. 5) So when are you starting, Bub? I'm looking at my copy of Galaxy of Fire by the late Jay Latham and if I'm understanding what his publisher Sunstar is, it appears to be a Vanity Press. But there are dozens of online places that will do it real cheap. I have a close friend whose book just came out from Bantam at Random House called Stalking Irish Madness, searching for the Roots of My Family's Schizophrenia, so I've had a front row seat on what it takes. (his book is fantastic) http://tinyurl.com/5l6jt3 Basically I would have to be as passionate about the value of this project as I am about preserving acoustic Delta blues and I really can't see that happening any time soon. If you start with the assumption that 90% of the value of writing about my experiences is to help me sort out my own feelings and perspectives, then FFL serves that need very nicely. Thanks for that! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:15 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown Curtis, I continue to read your posts, and the below is one of your best wisdom nutshells. I agree. I emailed Curtis privately to suggest that he write a book, perhaps about his spiritual odyssey. I think he could do it with a lot of humor and wisdom and it would sell well. He's a great writer and is wasting his time selling real estate. Singing Delta Blues definitely not a waste though.
[FairfieldLife] Obama Roasts Rahm Emauel 2005
In a must-see video clip from 2005, then newly-elected Sen. Barack Obama roasts his future White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdphzxz64BY
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama's Inner Circle...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 10, 2008, at 7:51 AM, do.rflex wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: ...or why Obama easily defeated Hillary. If you don't get it after seeing this video, you either need a better psychiatrist or you need a different meditation technique... From tonight's 60 Minutes: Inspirational! Interesting to see how the race card played NO hand in all this. None, zero, zip. The suggestions that they did, were just by people with race-colored glasses on, dirty politics as their weapon, fear mongers or an some ulterior agenda. Gee, you know, Vaj is right. Here's a bunch of the guys who ran Obama's victorious campaign sitting around congratulating each other on national TV, and they *never mention playing the race card*. Not once. I mean, if they actually *had* played the race card, they *surely* would have highlighted it as one of the reasons for their brilliant success. So now we know they must not have done so. We're so fortunate to have Vaj here to explain things to us. We might never have had reason to be certain there was no race card played by the Obama campaign, or that no sane person would ever assign Hillary the task of heading up a universal health care plan. (Vaj owes me a new monitor and keyboard, BTW.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ludwig van Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice ... gentle ... pleasant ... masterpiece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck Beautiful! And here's a nice one: Delibes' Lakme...plus Lesbians! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6850CjhIzrYfeature=related
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maybe someday you should take all your FFL writings and make them into a book. FFL is like a living book project for all of us collectively isn't it? There are so many good writers laying down interesting stuff. I don't know if any of my contributions stand alone without the back and forth with other writers. But if I am laying anything down that you enjoy reading, thanks! You've written some stuff here that deserves a wider audience. Nice to hear that you're full-time on the music. I thought you were doing real estate to pay the bills. Right when I started posting here, I was transitioning into fulltime music. I thought I could keep my mortgage Website going as a part time income source, but quickly found out that both worlds needed all of me so I made my choice for what really moves me and haven't looked back since. I made some small sacrifices like moving into da hood to match my expenses to my income and its been working out so far. I would be more interested in a book by you about your personal time with Maharishi. If you start with the assumption that 90% of the value of writing about my experiences is to help me sort out my own feelings and perspectives, then FFL serves that need very nicely. Thanks for that! Maybe someday you should take all your FFL writings and make them into a book. You've written some stuff here that deserves a wider audience. Nice to hear that you're full-time on the music. I thought you were doing real estate to pay the bills.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown I would be more interested in a book by you about your personal time with Maharishi. I lack your writing talent. Maybe somebody should put together a Best of FFL book.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It's like I won the lottery of kudos today! Thanks Rick. I haven't sold homes since '89. Mortgage banking carried me till a few years ago when I turned my part-time music business into full time. My life's mission now is preserving 20's and 30's acoustic blues, and performing in educational settings where the historical details can be appreciated. About six years ago I took a wonderful adult ed creative nonfiction course, learning to use fiction techniques in telling non fiction stories. As my project I used my Maharishi years and wrote many chapters. I only re-wrote a few, and as we all know, writing IS re-writing. I even had a working title: I Was a Ventriloquist for the Maharishi referring in part of its double meaning to my time in Sidhaland performing ventriloquist bus and bicycle safety shows in schools to make money for the Florida Academy in Avon Park. It kept me out of the hot sun picking oranges with migrants which was many other sidha's fate at the time when National cut us off financially and we had to fend for ourselves. I haven't really settled on a coherent angle other than a coming of age story for people my age who go into a spiritual group. Hard to compete with Monkey on a Stick serving up murder in their narrative! So the project is on hold till I figure out what aspect of my experience would be worth the work. I don't have any delusions about it getting published. Right, who would buy and read such utter nonsense anyway ? What you need in your desperate attempt to make a few dollars from you life as a Sidha somewhere, as a sideshow to your playing the Hillbilly music to other intellectually challenged white trash, is some juicy rumours from your friend Rick Archer. I'm sure he will be happy to contribute. Doesn't matter if the content is utter lies or whatever, it will perhaps be good on the backsleeve of your book and perhaps even add a few sales ?! Just a thought.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
On Nov 10, 2008, at 1:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: I would be more interested in a book by you about your personal time with Maharishi. Or you could even do an Anthology of sorts with a different person writing each section or chapter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I don't have any delusions about it getting published. RECIPE FOR SUCCESS: 1) Self-publish. Costs in quantities of more than 1,000 about $2.00 apiece. Shemp's absolutely right. Self-publishing is entirely respectable these days, with the advent of digital printing and print-on-demand. It's no longer considered vanity publishing. It's perfectly suited for a niche book, one with a limited potential market, as this one would be, but there's a wide variety of promotional opportunities on the Web, most of them at no cost. Check with Paul Mason, who wrote the Maharishi biography and maintains the Guru Dev Web site, who used to post here, for some ideas. Promoting a self-published book *does* take a lot of work, so you'd have to make a commitment to it; but if you were willing to do that, there'd be no delusion involved whatsoever about getting it published *and* sold.
[FairfieldLife] Who America Owes
November 9, 2008 Who America Owes The U. S. government owes $2.67 trillion to foreign governments and investors-20% of our total GDP. And that number has grown rapidly. In 2001, China held $61.5 billion in U.S. debt. Now it has $541 billion, says James Ludes of the bipartisan American Security Project in Washington, D.C. In 2001, we owed Russia less than $10 billion. Now it's $74.4 billion. The debt is sold to other countries in the form of U.S. Treasury securities. We also have to pay interest on those securities, adds federal budget expert Doug Elmendorf. In coming years, a big chunk of our country's wealth will leave our economy and go overseas to pay back the loans. Will this outflow of cash affect our standing in the world? The U.S. emerged as a major global power after World War I, and the U.K. declined in part because we owned so much British debt. Ironically, today the U.K. is our third largest creditor. Countries That Own the Most U.S. Debt Japan $585.9 billion China $541.0 billion United Kingdom $307.4 billion OPEC Nations* $179.8 billion Caribbean banking centers** $147.7 billion For a complete list of U.S. creditors, click here http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt . *Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., and Venezuela **Bahamas, Bermuda, Cayman Islands, Netherlands Antilles, Panama, and British Virgin Islands Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury/Federal Reserve.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Confusing suutra-words: abhyaasa, part 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 9, 2008, at 6:31 PM, cardemaister wrote: May I ask what is your favorite translation of viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'nyaH? I'm probably biased on this one, but my favorite translation and commentary is that of my dear Patanjali Guru, Pundit Usharbudh Arya in his work which translates the first chapter (ISBN 0-89389-092-8): (Asampranjnata) is the other (samadhi), having as it's prerequisite the practice of the cognition and causal principle of cessation and leaving its samskara as residue. Much more interesting is his commentary on what it fully means. Your email address is a no reply one or I'd send you a copy. u v a a c a a t g m a i l. c o m
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:37 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown Right, who would buy and read such utter nonsense anyway ? What you need in your desperate attempt to make a few dollars from you life as a Sidha somewhere, as a sideshow to your playing the Hillbilly music to other intellectually challenged white trash, is some juicy rumours from your friend Rick Archer. I'm sure he will be happy to contribute. Doesn't matter if the content is utter lies or whatever, it will perhaps be good on the backsleeve of your book and perhaps even add a few sales ?! Just a thought. Hey, here's a book idea: The Best of Nabby. It would have a tragicomic theme, showing how humorous cult mentality can be when taken to extremes. Gems of nastiness whose master often said speak the truth which is sweet.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we invaded Iraq MMY went on Larry King and said that those perpetrating the killing were going to hell. When the Buddhist monks in Vietnam burned themselves up he said it was a foolish waste of life. So to suggest that gloating a bit sums his reaction to human tragedy seems a bit uncharitable. I was in the room when he said it. He didn't seem remorseful. He was more concerned about how it might impact the TMO (increased fear of cults) than about the lives lost. One might ask; why on earth should Maharishi be remorseful about the lost lives of these persons when they will soon arrive with new bodies ready for again to make fools of themselves ? You have learned nothing still you boast of your proximity to Him. I was in the room etc.. What an utter joke.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:24 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown I would be more interested in a book by you about your personal time with Maharishi. I lack your writing talent. Maybe somebody should put together a Best of FFL book. I forget the guy's name, but a '70s MIU-era TMer who came back to Fairfield a few years ago wrote a book about his experience. Part of that experience was mentioning FFL (and Rick Archer, natch) and he did what I would call a mini best of FFL by producing several posting, in part. In fact, he picked up on what I would say is one of the best postings done here and reproduced much of it in his book. I'm referring to someone named Guy Banner who posted on his experience of Maharishi performing what I would call a sort of Shaktipat on him by getting his celibacy-fed kundalini to rise: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/55103
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Right, who would buy and read such utter nonsense anyway ? What you need in your desperate attempt to make a few dollars from you life as a Sidha somewhere, as a sideshow to your playing the Hillbilly music to other intellectually challenged white trash, is some juicy rumours from your friend Rick Archer. I'm sure he will be happy to contribute. Doesn't matter if the content is utter lies or whatever, it will perhaps be good on the backsleeve of your book and perhaps even add a few sales ?! Just a thought. Here's a book that Nabby appears in:
[FairfieldLife] Tibetan leaders congratulate Obama's historic victory
Tibetan leaders congratulate Obama's historic victory By Phurbu Thinley Dharamsala, Nov 6: Exiled Tibetan leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama, Tibetan Prime Minister Prof. Samdhong Rinpoche and Parliament Speaker Karma Chophel have sent letters to congratulate Barack Obama on his historic election win to the post of the president of the United States. In his message, Dalai Lama said he was encouraged to see that the American people have chosen a President who reflects America's diversity and her fundamental ideal that any person can rise up to the highest office in the land. This is a proud moment for America and one that will be celebrated by many peoples around the world, the 73-year old Tibetan leader wrote in his congratulatory letter. The American Presidential elections are always a great source of encouragement to people throughout the world who believe in democracy, freedom and equality of opportunities, The 1989 Nobel Peace laureate said. In the letter the Tibetan leader commended the determination and moral courage Mr Obama had demonstrated throughout his long presidential campaign, and the kind heart and steady hand that he had shown when challenged. Recalling a telephonic conversation, earlier this spring, between the two of them, the Tibetan leader wrote these same essential qualities came through in your concern for the situation in Tibet. As the President of the United States, you will certainly have great and difficult tasks before you, but also many opportunities to create change in the lives of those millions who continue to struggle for basic human needs the Dalai Lama said, adding You must also remember and work for these people, wherever they may be. In the letter, the Tibetan spiritual leader offered his prayers and good wishes for Obama during his term as the 44th president of the United States. Prime Minister Prof. Samdhong Rinpoche, who himself became the first directly elected PM of the Tibet's Government in exile in 2001, commented Thursday that electing Senator Barack Obama, who won a decisive victory Tuesday to become the first black president in U.S. history, reflects the strength of American democracy. The Tibetan PM rote: The prayers of the Tibetan people are with President-elect as he confronts the abiding issues of war and peace. My own prayers are with the President-elect in his efforts to make America and the world a better and happier place. Tibetan Parliament speaker Karma Chophel, while congratulating Obama on his historic victory, expressed hope that he will render greater support to the Tibetan cause. During the course of the electioneering, we have noted with satisfaction your interest in the Tibetan issue and your growing support for the Tibetan cause, the Tibetan speaker said. He wrote, Your distinguished predecessor, irrespective of their party affiliations, have supported the Tibetan issue strongly and have had a close and friendly relationship with our leader His Holiness the Dalai Lama. We hope that you will not only maintain the tradition but give an added thrust in view of the strong resentment shown openly by our people living under the Chinese rule in Tibet, Speaker Chophel added. Obama last met the Dalai Lama in 2005 at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee event. In the midst of his presidential campaigns, Obama routinely expressed concerns over the situation in Tibet and assured support to the Tibetan leader in his struggle for Tibetan people's rights and freedom. In July this year, even at the height of his campaign, Obama sent a very personal letter assuring the Dalai Lama of his highest respect and support for the cause of Tibet. I will continue to support you and the rights of Tibetans. People of all faiths can admire what you are doing and what you stand for, -Barack Obama - .
[FairfieldLife] Re: You need a hominem for an ad hominem
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip My MCain point was not a straw man. It was an example of someone being sincerely wrong. I don't take MCain's word for it and I don't take this guy's word for it. You do? Ok, so you do. Why does that mean that I lack integrity? And you just did it *again*. Basta. Discussing things with you is like interacting with a tar baby made of unpleasantness. You really can't help yourself can you? I don't think you have a cordial way to disagree. At least I haven't seen any evidence of it. That's what you get, Curtis, when you venture into the -Nitpicker Zone-. Missing the view for the nits. The -Nitpicker Zone- is where a nit is worth so much more than a thousand words - especially if it can be implemented in a self-serving but pointless poisonous perpetually prolonged personal pissing match for anyone who mistakenly chooses to continue to participate in it as a hapless nitpickee. A bigger down side is that it accomplishes little-to-nothing to advance any cause other than the personal ego of the obsessive professional nitpicker extraordinaire. In fact it offends and alienates even previously neutral observers as no one who dares even comment is safe from being found with real or imagined nits to have picked by the professional nitpicker...in the -Nitpicker Zone-. And any critic, present or past, can be sure to be persistently and perpetually picked at for nits at any time.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
Good advise Shemp and Judy. I have looked into self publishing for some of my other book ideas for niche topics. Unknown published writers make about a dollar a book, which means you have to sell a wagon load to make any money. I have had success with this model with my 2 CDs. By creating and selling them myself I have a decent supplement to my performance income. I love huckstering my own shit and getting paid for it! At this stage in my life I might be more inclined to write about my experiences performing, particularly busking experiences. The angle would be about midlife career change and rolling your dreams at whatever level you can right now, instead of waiting to be discovered. About 13 years ago I started performing that way and it changed my life. I started making more money outside the club scene in a much more wholesome environment. I've written a few chapters to explore the idea. The main thing for me is that writing itself nourishes me and that is what has kept me hooked on FFL. It stimulates me to write almost every day and that adds up to greater confidence whenever I express my self in writing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip I don't have any delusions about it getting published. RECIPE FOR SUCCESS: 1) Self-publish. Costs in quantities of more than 1,000 about $2.00 apiece. Shemp's absolutely right. Self-publishing is entirely respectable these days, with the advent of digital printing and print-on-demand. It's no longer considered vanity publishing. It's perfectly suited for a niche book, one with a limited potential market, as this one would be, but there's a wide variety of promotional opportunities on the Web, most of them at no cost. Check with Paul Mason, who wrote the Maharishi biography and maintains the Guru Dev Web site, who used to post here, for some ideas. Promoting a self-published book *does* take a lot of work, so you'd have to make a commitment to it; but if you were willing to do that, there'd be no delusion involved whatsoever about getting it published *and* sold.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
Nabby: Right, who would buy and read such utter nonsense anyway ? What you need in your desperate attempt to make a few dollars from you life as a Sidha somewhere, as a sideshow to your playing the Hillbilly music to other intellectually challenged white trash, is some juicy rumours from your friend Rick Archer. I'm sure he will be happy to contribute. Doesn't matter if the content is utter lies or whatever, it will perhaps be good on the backsleeve of your book and perhaps even add a few sales ?! Just a thought. You are a sad, bitter little troll aren't you Nabby. As Louis Armstrong wrote: you blows what you is, and everything you write reveals what is in your shriveled heart. I sentence you to being yourself, for the rest of your life Nabby. A dark void trying to suck the joy out of other people's lives, in a vain attempt to fill the emptiness. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It's like I won the lottery of kudos today! Thanks Rick. I haven't sold homes since '89. Mortgage banking carried me till a few years ago when I turned my part-time music business into full time. My life's mission now is preserving 20's and 30's acoustic blues, and performing in educational settings where the historical details can be appreciated. About six years ago I took a wonderful adult ed creative nonfiction course, learning to use fiction techniques in telling non fiction stories. As my project I used my Maharishi years and wrote many chapters. I only re-wrote a few, and as we all know, writing IS re-writing. I even had a working title: I Was a Ventriloquist for the Maharishi referring in part of its double meaning to my time in Sidhaland performing ventriloquist bus and bicycle safety shows in schools to make money for the Florida Academy in Avon Park. It kept me out of the hot sun picking oranges with migrants which was many other sidha's fate at the time when National cut us off financially and we had to fend for ourselves. I haven't really settled on a coherent angle other than a coming of age story for people my age who go into a spiritual group. Hard to compete with Monkey on a Stick serving up murder in their narrative! So the project is on hold till I figure out what aspect of my experience would be worth the work. I don't have any delusions about it getting published. Right, who would buy and read such utter nonsense anyway ? What you need in your desperate attempt to make a few dollars from you life as a Sidha somewhere, as a sideshow to your playing the Hillbilly music to other intellectually challenged white trash, is some juicy rumours from your friend Rick Archer. I'm sure he will be happy to contribute. Doesn't matter if the content is utter lies or whatever, it will perhaps be good on the backsleeve of your book and perhaps even add a few sales ?! Just a thought.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jonestown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gems of nastiness whose master often said speak the truth which is sweet. I've said this before and I am not ashamed of saying it again; I definately have a lot to learn about being sweet. That said, when fellows like you unhestitantly not only spread the most poisenous rumors, but also in the process aspire to make money - are such persons inviting sweetness ? Perhaps I will be judged hard for being hard towards ruffians. I could not care less.
