[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 I will say this, I can see how a lot of petty 
 rules would become intolerable if one were subject
 to them on a long-term basis. It's one of the 
 reasons I never became a TM teacher (and one of
 the reasons I decided to work for myself instead
 of somebody else--you think the TMO is petty, but
 companies can be just as petty).
 
 So I have some sympathy for Geeze if the Great
 Ice Cream Expedition was the straw the camel
 stepped on and broke for him.
 
 But you've been arguing that the rules for
 ordinary weekend residence courses for meditators
 are intolerable, and that just strikes me as very
 revealing of your control-freakishness.

And I've been making the point that IMO
the *only* reason for the rules on TM
residence courses is Maharishi's and the
TMO's control-freak nature. It pervades
everything they do, and has IMO *nothing*
to do with the supposed welfare of those
being controlled. How much they *really*
care about them has been demonstrated over
and over. The control-freak behavior is 
IMO *only* about establishing a pattern 
in the students of being controlled.

It starts with telling them what to bring
for the puja and demanding that they give
up drugs for 15 days. It continues with 
the gentle motion to instruct them to
kneel. It continues with What we learn
in private, we keep in private...you
agree, yes? It continues in the three
days of checking and it is reinforced
in *spades* on residence courses, where
*every minute of their time* is decided
for them, their diet is decided for them,
and any deviance from doing what they are
told to do is met with at the very least
a frown and, if they persist, a stern 
talking to by the person who they are 
supposed to perceive as an authority.

And after years or decades of such treat-
ment, some people get so used to being
treated like this by control freaks that
not only do they see nothing wrong with
it, they make excuses for the control
freaks, and attempt to paint anyone who
does *not* submit to their control as
having something wrong with *them*.

It reminds me of that young woman who 
was kept chained to a radiator in her 
basement for years by her father. When 
she was finally found and set free, and 
her father charged with child abuse, she
testified in his favor, saying He was 
only trying to protect me.

That could be Judy Stein.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
  
   http://www.sott.net/articles/show/182746-Quantum-gods-don-t-deserve-your-faith
  
  And she was a bit off in what she said. Also see my
  comment on her blog.
 
 I would if I could find it! I finally found the blog, but
 I couldn't find a related entry. Can you provide the URL,
 please?

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227041.600-quantum-gods-dont-deserve-your-faith.html

My comment is about page 5 or 6. The quote from MMY about
material and spiritual values.
   
   Thanks. Page 4, actually. Good comment.
  
  Yep it's a well cherry picked quote indeed. Unfortunately
  Lawson forgot to mention that MMY had a habit of contradicting
  himself to suit his audience and for every quote like this I
  could find hundreds that demonstrate he believed consciousness
  is the *base* of all things.
 
 Lawson said that too: The more controversial claim
 that MMY makes is that behind all of material
 existence, lies 'universal consciousness'--did you
 miss it?
 
 On the other hand, I'm not sure why you think the
 longer quote contradicts the notion that consciousness
 is the base of all things.
 
   What about her claim that (SU)5 has been falsified and
   therefore Hagelin was wrong, when Hagelin's theory was
   actually Flipped (SU)5? Has it been falsified as well,
   do you know? One of the other commenters claimed it
   hadn't been, and somebody else contradicted him/her.
  
  su 5 has definitely been discredited as a theory.
 
 I'm asking about Flipped (SU)5.

I don't think they ever got round to testing it, if you could
even test it.
 
 snip
  Einstein, Hawking both failed in their lifelong quest to 
  find the UF. Perhaps I should join in this blog and tell them
  that John Hagelin is claiming to have finished this work.
  That would raise a laugh from any genuine scientists.
  Maybe even post a link to JHs lectures on the UF, that would 
  be an interesting counterpoint to the nonsense coming from 
  the TBs. But most of that is self-evidently rubbish and the 
  author is probably astonished at the way people are underlining
  her point about QP without even realising it.
 
 You do know that there are well-established, credentialed
 physicists who interpret consciousness in quantum-
 mechanical terms, right? It's not just Hagelin's idea by
 any means.

Didn't say it was, the whole consciousness thing goes
back to the particle/wave experiments. Something appears
to interfere with the experiments, no one knows what.
But it's only the 'what the bleep' crowd who persist with
the consciousness interpretation these days. You won't even
find a mention of it in physics books except in a swift 
demolition. These days it's all supersymmetry,superposition
and the many-worlds ideas all of which have a more testable
and Occams-razorish approach.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:

 OK, let me jump in here. When I read the first line in 
 Barry's post I immediately posted since it made me think 
 of my own experience. I had no idea he was talking about 
 me! Now that I've gone back to read the post more carefully 
 I'm semi-amazed. Although this was an afternoon event his 
 recall of the other events blows my mind. Barry I don't 
 even recall telling you about this but you remember detail 
 that I had completely forgotten until reading through this 
 again. The council, my laughing, yes...all true. How in 
 the hell can you remember something that happened to 
 someone else over 30 years ago.

Geez, I am by nature a storyteller, and respond
to great stories. I remember clearly the first
time you told me this story, well over 30 years
ago now. One, you're a great storyteller yourself;
this one had me on the floor the way that turning
your record-cleaning ritual into the TM puja had
me on the floor. :-) Two, I *resonated* with the
original story, finding yourself sitting in front
of a bunch of people who were about to judge you
and make irrevocable decisions about your future
with the TM movement for the sin of eating ice
cream. That was as laugh-inspiring for me as it
was for you. It puts things into perspective,
and in my opinion into their *proper* perspective.
So the story stuck in my head. 

I've retold it since because IMO it really captures
1) the control-freak nature of the TMO, and 2)
what happens when one *laughs* at the control
freaks instead of meekly submitting to them the
way that Judy not only does herself, but recom-
mends that everyone else do if they want to be
considered an adult. ( Imagine that...she 
really seems to *believe* that agreeing to be 
treated like a submissive child is acting like
an adult. )

She is right about me in some respects. When con-
fronted by control freaks and petty tyrants, I
almost always push back. And I managed to do
that *and get away with it* for 14 years in the
TM movement. THAT is what I think pisses Judy
off the most. I *got away* with being myself in
an organization that she felt compelled to pre-
tend to be someone else in. I *got away* with
not obeying the rules. I *got away* with wearing
ties with paintings (tasteful paintings) of naked
women on them to meetings with Jerry Jarvis and
Maharishi. 

And I think that the reason that I *did* get away
with all this stuff is that by nature petty 
tyrants are cowards. They are able to function
only because most people *are* as meek and submis-
sive as Judy Stein. They go along because they
really don't see that they have an *option*. Me,
I always had options, and so I often took them.

And *none* of the petty tyrants of the TM move-
ment *ever* had the balls to call me on it. Not
one. Their reaction, when I would take one of
their attempts to be a petty tyrant and ignore
it or do the opposite that they were telling
me to do, was to drop the subject and pretend
that they had never told me to do anything. Go
figure.

Judy took the opposite approach. She not only 
did everything she was told to do, she became
a petty tyrant in training, aiding and abetting
the petty tyrants by berating anyone who was not
as compliant as she was. She still does this,
on pretty much a daily basis, here on FFL.

Me, I find it pretty pathetic. YMMV.

 Judy, he didn't pretend it was about ice cream. It 
 WAS about ice cream!

And so much more.

What Judy would like to pretend is that it 
was about you committing the sin of wanting
to be treated enough like an adult to be 
free to leave your hotel when you felt like 
it, and not about eating ice cream. She some-
how believes that's sanER than it being 
about ice cream.

THAT is how cultwhipped she is.

[FairfieldLife] An insight about TB tactics (was Re: On The Program and Off The Program)

[TurquoiseB]

Just to point out something interesting, the
*only thing* that Judy found in the following
post worth commenting on was the ice cream
incident.

And WHY?

Because she saw it as an effective DIVERSION
from the larger post, that's why. ( IMO, of 
course. )

By steering the discussion towards something
she thought she could make fun of and use to
demonize a TM critic, she effectively side-
lined a discussion of any of the *other*
points I made in the post below.

So I repost it, for those who ( unlike Judy )
might be unafraid to deal with some of the
*other* examples of tyranny listed below. 
Judy DID NOT WANT THEM DISCUSSED. 

That, in my opinion, is why she homed in
on the ice cream thang. I hereby challenge 
her to deal with each of the *other* examples
of Off The Program I list below. 

My bet is that she'll 1) make some excuse 
why she won't or can't, and 2) attempt another
diversion to derail the discussion and steer
it away from the real subject. 

It's just what she does.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 We all know these phrases. Most of us *lived* by the
 phrase On The Program (presented in gold here
 to emphasize its goodness) or its converse Off The
 Program (presented in red here for obvious reasons)
 for years if not decades. But what are the actual
 DEFINITIONS of these buzzphrases?
 
 My definitions of these two phrases, based on my
 many years in the TM movement and several years of
 following its activities out of curiosity since,
 have to be:
 
 On The Program -- Doing what Maharishi says to do.
 
 Off The Program -- Doing anything contrary to what
 Maharishi says to do.
 
 It's really as simple as that in my opinion.
 
 There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain
 a formal definition of what On The Program
 means. It's not written down in any Human Resources
 manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers
 of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique.
 
 Some (those who have written about cults) would say
 that this lack of definition is intentional. They
 would say that having a *vague* definition by which
 everyone in the organization is judged and measured
 by is almost *by definition* a cult phenomenon. For
 one reason, it keeps the cult out of legal trouble; if they
 had actually written down rules that violated state or
 national law, they would be in Deep Shit legally.
 But on another level, keeping the definition of the
 phrase by which all members of the organization are
 judged *vague* has another purpose in that it creates
 an atmosphere of fear. The real *purpose* of keeping
 the definition vague and ever-changing is to keep
 the members of the organization ever-fearful that they
 might do something wrong, and be punished for it.
 
 And, let's face it, you CAN be punished for being Off
 The Program in the TM movement. Thousands have
 been so punished. They have been denied access to TM
 centers and TM courses, they have been banned from
 the domes, they have been subjected to shunning by
 their fellow TMers, and they have been subjected to
 harassment and vitriolic attacks *for* violating this
 rule that *has never once been written down*.
 
 So let's write it down.
 
 What are some of the things that, in your experience,
 have been deemed Off The Program by people in the
 TM movement who *had the authority to punish you for
 doing them*? Here are some of the ones I've witnessed
 or heard of that led to threatened or actual punishment:
 
 * Living with one's girlfriend or boyfriend when you
 are not married.
 
 * Having Off The Program books on your book-
 shelves. I saw at least a dozen people in LA denied
 access to residence courses or TTC because of this
 and the previous sin.
 
 * Expressing doubts about one of Maharishi's proc-
 lamations. I once saw someone sent home from an
 ATR course because he questioned publicly that the
 Age Of Enlightenment had actually come to pass.
 
 * Leaving the hotel on an ATR course to go across
 the street and buy an ice cream cone and eat it. We
 have someone on this forum who was threatened
 over this one.
 
 * Doing anything on a TMO-sponsored residence course
 that was not 100% dictated to them by the course leaders,
 on orders of Maharishi. I saw several people threatened
 with being sent home from courses for talking during
 what was supposed to be a silent walk and talk. I saw
 one person threatened with being sent home from a
 course for leaving the hotel and going into town to buy
 medicine at a pharmacy.
 
 * Attending a public talk by another spiritual teacher.
 That will *still* get you banned from the dome in Fair-
 field if you admit it, as I understand.
 
 * Wearing jeans. When I was a State Coordinator, I ran
 into several TM Centers who had banned TM Teachers
 from ever setting foot inside the Center again because
 they were spotted in public wearing jeans.
 
 * Saying something in a TM advanced lecture that the
 teacher had heard from Charlie Lutes, and which was 

[FairfieldLife] Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[Hugo]

What is it about QP and consciousness that gets people
annoyed? For me it's the idea that there isn't a world
outside of my perception of it. That makes me a realist,
the idea that the universe depends on my/our existence 
is so intuitively ridiculous that I dismiss it without
a second thought. Don't feel you can trust intuition?

Some people have reasoned that we can keep ideas and 
evidence we have gathered about the physical world and 
evolution etc. by postulating that there is a bunch of
aliens monitoring earth that originally collapsed the
waveform forming ourselves. A quick bit of reductionism
will dispose of that, where did the aliens come from? 
Sooner or later there had to be a beginning unless the
aliens magically appeared.

Wild ideas like this are seriously proposed by physicists
so we can escape from having to admit that quantum theory
as it stands is an inaccurate/incomplete description of 
nature. I think this and any idea like it is nonsense. 
There is obviously something wrong with a theory if it 
ends up with solpsisms like this. There is something we 
don't get. 

The trouble is just with the foundational ideas of QP,
It looks like the universe had a beginning and we know how
stars evolved and how heavy elements formed, not 100% sure 
how life got going but it's chemistry so it should be doable,
we know a lot about evolution. It isn't worth chucking all 
this out, something wrong with the math is my guess. The world 
makes too much sense to have to ditch everything for the sake 
of an experiment with a laser that may or may not show that
light is intelligent or that it can be two things at once or
that there are an infinite number of universes.

Why speculate about the unknowable when there are real
problems to solve

I could prattle on but I'd just be paraphrasing this guy:

http://www.nyas.org/publications/UpdateUnbound.asp?UpdateID=41

His books are excellent because  he isn't trying to sell you
any particular idea. As a bonus he writes simply enough that even
I can understand it. He's a realist too.

For more than two hundred years, we physicists have been on a wild ride. Our 
search for the most fundamental laws of nature has been rewarded by a continual 
stream of discoveries. Each decade back to 1800 saw one or more major additions 
to our knowledge about motion, the nature of matter, light and heat, space and 
time. In the 20th century, the pace accelerated dramatically.

Then, about 30 years ago, something changed. The last time there was a 
definitive advance in our knowledge of fundamental physics was the construction 
ofthe theory we call the standard model of particle physics in 1973. The last 
time a fundamental theory was proposed that has since gotten any support from 
experiment was a theory about the very early universe called inflation, which 
was proposed in 1981.

Since then, many ambitious theories have been invented and studied. Some of 
them have been ruled out by experiment. The rest have, so far, simply made no 
contact with experiment. During the same period, almost every experiment agreed 
with the predictions of the standard model. Those few that didn't produced 
results so surprising—so unwanted—that baffled theorists are still unable to 
explain them.

Since the 1970s, many theories of unification have been proposedand studied, 
going under fanciful names such as preonmodels, technicolor, supersymmetry, 
braneworlds, and, most popularly, string theory. Theories of quantum gravity 
include twistor theory, causal set models, dynamical triangulation models, and 
loop quantum gravity. One reason string theory is popular is that there is some 
evidence that it points to a quantum theory of gravity.

Has physics reached an impasse, and what can we do about it?
One source of the crisis is that many of these theories have many freely 
adjustable parameters. As a result, some theories make no predictions at all. 
But even in the cases where they make a prediction, it is not firm. If the 
predicted new particle or effect is not seen, theorists can keep the theory 
alive by changing the value of a parameter to make it harder to see in 
experiment.

There are approaches to unification and quantum gravity that are more 
foundational. Several of them are characterized by a property we call 
background independence. This means that the geometry of space is contingent 
and dynamical; it provides no fixed background against which the laws of nature 
can be defined. General relativity is background-independent, but standard 
formulations of quantum theory—especially as applied to elementary particle 
physics—cannot be defined without the specification of a fixed background. For 
this reason, elementary particle physics has difficulty incorporating general 
relativity.

String theory grew out of elementary particle physics and, at least so far, has 
only been successfully defined on fixed backgrounds. Thus, the infinity of 
string theories which are known are each 

[FairfieldLife] Two more examples of the TB create a diversion tactic

[TurquoiseB]

Here's my theory. Do NOT take it as fact, merely as a
finger pointing at someone mooning you, a suggestion
for something to *watch for* in the future posts of
Judy Stein and other TM defenders on this forum.

That is, a tendency to try to sidetrack discussions
that have the potential to become embarrassing to TM
or the TMO or Maharishi by creating a diversion.
It is my contention that Judy has realized (if not
consciously, certainly subconsciously) that many
posters here will ignore and avoid like the plague
any thread that they perceive as Judy and Barry
sniping at each other again. Yes, they are wise to
do this. :-) But yes, in my opinion, Judy *uses*
that to sidetrack threads she doesn't like, and
to effectively take them offline.

I present for your consideration two examples of
this from recent days. Judy's responses are in
blue, if your browser displays colors. Again, DO
NOT TAKE  MY WORD FOR THIS.
Just *watch* in the future, and see if she does
the same thing, over and over and over. Then
make your own decision as to her tactics and
what the *intent* of those tactics is.

EXAMPLE #1:

In the first example, Judy attempts to sidetrack the
substance of one of my posts by *ignoring* the sub-
stance and turning it into a personal attack:

Re: The point that the I am a TM TB, not a TMO TB folks keep missing

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  TM is not the product being sold.
 
  What TM is supposed to *produce* in the buyer
  is the product.
 
  The TM organization is what TM has *produced*
  in 30-to-40 year practitioners of TM.
 
  If that organization is based on a history of
  treating its own members badly, flaunting
  international law by money-laundering, and
  creating a hierarchy of people whose reality
  quotient is demonstrated by dressing up in
  robes and crowns and pretending to rule an
  imaginary country, THAT is the product being
  sold.
 
  Those who wish to divorce TM from the TMO
  in their minds are ignoring the evidence of
  40 years of scientific experimentation on
  what exactly the TM technique produces.
 
  The TM technique produces the TM organization.
 
  It's as simple as that.

 If a technique can be said to produce types of
 people, I'd be a lot more concerned about one
 that produces a toxic, hate-filled personality
 like Barry's after only a few years of practice
 than one that produces folks who dress up in
 funny clothes after 40 years.

Note that the *only* substantive thing that Judy
deals with in her reply is a re-interpretation of
dressing up in robes and pretending to 'rule' an
imaginary country as folks who dress up in
funny clothes.

Not a WORD about treating its own members badly.
Not a WORD about the money-laundering.
And not a WORD about the whole *point* of my post,
which was, Why is it not valid to consider the TMO
the *result* of 30 to 40 years of TM practice of
thousands of practitioners, and thus as an *example*
of what TM might produce in prospective students?

EXAMPLE #2:

Another example, again ignoring the substance and
posting *only* an attack in reply:

Re: On The Program and Off The Program

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I might add, as a note to TM defenders like
  Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this*
  is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds
  like*, and what you missed by never having
  been on one. Note the careful preservation
  of Maharishi's broken English so that there
  can be no question as to who the quote comes
  from.
 
  Suggestions for points to defend in your
  ongoing quest to do so here on FFL:

 It's very odd. I've said at *least* a dozen times,
 here and on alt.m.t, The TMO sucks. I've been
 explicit that MMY had serious flaws. And for some
 reason Barry still expects me to leap to defend
 every last thing the TMO and MMY have done.

 As I believe I've said before, Barry is compelled
 to create his own reality because the one the rest
 of us live in just doesn't fulfill his needs
 (especially his desperate need to be Important).

Not a WORD about any of the points raised. Only
an attack on Barry.

I rest my case. I reported. You decide.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 
 
 What is it about QP and consciousness that gets people
 annoyed? For me it's the idea that there isn't a world
 outside of my perception of it. 

Or, as another physicist working on fundamental theories
of nature put it: If consciousness isn't the only thing
to collapse quantum waveforms (which it isn't) why should
anyone think it's the *only* thing that collapses them?

[FairfieldLife] The Unified Field - The Big Question.

[Hugo]

Q: Does there actually need to be a unified field?

A: No.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Unified Field - The Big Question.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 Q: Does there actually need to be a unified field?
 
 A: No.

Heresy.

There *does* have to be a unified field
because Maharishi said there was.

[FairfieldLife] Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[TurquoiseB]

I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
feeling self-important.

However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
pandemic appears on the News.

So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
*if* I have to. So what did I find?

They're already scarce.

Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
try four different suppliers before they found a
box of them they could order for me. 

So, just in case you have similar just in case
plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.

'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:

Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
Relenza (zanamivir)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 
 
 What is it about QP and consciousness that gets people
 annoyed? For me it's the idea that there isn't a world
 outside of my perception of it. That makes me a realist,
 the idea that the universe depends on my/our existence 
 is so intuitively ridiculous that I dismiss it without
 a second thought. Don't feel you can trust intuition?
 

Oh yeah! Here is one of the suutra's where Patañjali expresses
one aspect of that idea:

kRtaarthaM prati *naSTam* apy_*anaSTaM* tadanyasaadhaaraNatvaat.

[FairfieldLife] God and Quantum Physics

[Hugo]

So are the Vedic chaps right when they say that the UF is a
field of pure awareness that creates the universe on a moment
by moment basis and without affecting the outcome of that 
universe?

Possible, but I think it's an example of an analogy with 
the flat field of awareness you get when meditating sometimes.
I don't believe that subjectively gained knowledge is reliable
as we've seen no experimental confirmation for it.

An attempt was made to show that the three gunas were in fact
the three forces that need unification in modern physics, the
weak and strong nuclear forces and gravity. Nice try, but it
came back to the old hide-the-proton game. String theory gets 
round this by inventing many extra dimensions for inconvenient particles to 
fall into.

All well and good, but we quite obviously don't live in a 
9 - 14 dimensional universe so the dimensions were wrapped up
real small so they don't affect our everyday lives. In fact 
whatever experiment you try and do if the prediction requires 
the creation of new particles you can simply claim that we are 
living in a different string theory universe! Which is clever if 
you don't ever want to be proved wrong but it doesn't seem like 
reat science. And it's only ever going to raise more questions because string 
theory, being dependent on a solid backdrop of 
time and space that Einstein tells us doesn't exist, isn't fundamental anyway.

It's also a long way from the beautiful simplicity of the unified
field spoken of in the Vedas. So...

Q: Is God the unified field?

A: John Hagelin says yes (OK he says consciouness is the UF but
it's the same thing) but his ideas aren't the same as the vedic prediction. In 
fact they are so much more complex, untested and
maybe even untestable that it's clear the analogy between strings
and gunas has been stretched too far.

As the only evidence comes from meditation, it's going to have
to be a Don't Know on this one, but then it seems like such a 
wild extrapolation from super-strings to subjective contemplative states that 
it's probably better to say: Why bother even asking 
the question?

Because it's another possible, if bizarre, consequence of QP as it's
currently understood. Don't believe a word of it myself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[Hugo]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
 NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
 feeling self-important.
 
 However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
 by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
 20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
 ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
 pandemic appears on the News.
 
 So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
 Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
 advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
 antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
 to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
 been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
 to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
 to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
 *if* I have to. So what did I find?
 
 They're already scarce.
 
 Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
 this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
 try four different suppliers before they found a
 box of them they could order for me. 
 
 So, just in case you have similar just in case
 plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
 better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.
 
 'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:
 
 Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
 Relenza (zanamivir)


Probably an extremely good idea. I get asthma so I've been
watching the news on this with not a little trepidation I can
tell you.

If it breaks here and looks like it's going to be a bad one
I'm going to stay indoors for a few weeks as the only way I 
could get stuff like that is by going to my doctor, which is 
the last place I'd go during a flu pandemic. I get paranoid
sitting in the waiting room as it is with all those sick people
coughing all over me!

The scary thing about flu is that a major killer outbreak
is inevitable sooner or later as there is so many of the little
bastard germs mutating, it really is just a matter of time.
Fingers crossed that this isn't one of those times.

[FairfieldLife] 'Transcending the TM movement'

[Robert]

 TM is a technique which transcends itself...
Unfortunately, the organization which it produced, does not.
In a way, they are polar opposites.
With the TM technique, one becomes more fluid, more free.
With the TMO, one becomes more rigid, more dependent.

Every organization has this problem...it's kind of an inherent thing, with any 
organization.

The only exception I know of is the 12 step programs...
The founders, with the help of Carl Jung, and others, structured the 12 steps,
To be free of ego and money.
No one is the 'Head' of the organization, and no one makes money from it.
No one seeks fame, and no one broadcasts on radio or TV.
The organization is structured this way, to preserve it's purity...
And it has succeeded in a big way, around the world.

As soon as one is given power and money, the innocence is lost.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Maharishi wanted to attend to the rich and powerful, mostly...
For whatever reason?  I'm not sure.

People with names like 'Kingsley' and 'Bevan', are just not my type.
The names themselves reveal arrogance.

I suppose because there is so much poverty in India...
Many from India come here, and become entrenched in materialism...

So, this has expressed itself in the TM movement, becoming more outrageous, 
With the times...
We can all see the outrageous behavior on Wall St...
It's just the way it is...with the egos running wild.
It's the same thing.

There was an Indian woman saint I once heard quoted as saying:
'Don't ever think you are beyond money'...
Because money does have the power to corrupt, and corrupt it does.

The real irony is the life that Guru Dev lived, is polar opposite;
He lived most of his life, in the deep forests, with little need of material 
wealth.
And this is where the power of the whole thing, came from.
One who had no money, and no worldly power.

So, where there was once a heart and a soul...
Money and power took hold, and a feeling of emptiness followed.
Heart and Soul were replaced with...stuff...
And stuff, is just stuff...so,

I don't see any way it's ever going to change.
If you wish to be enlightened, you eventually need to transcend the thing, 
right?

All I know is, I am my own 'Maharishi Effect'...
When I meditate, the atmosphere around me 'settles down'...
This is my experience.
I appreciate the teaching, the puja is beautiful, the teaching simple and pure.
But, I don't have much respect for the money changers;
The money changers, in the Temple.
Somehow, they need to be thrown out, but then again...
We all know the story, of what happens if you mess,
With those money changers.

R.G.















  

[FairfieldLife] 'Who or What has the most 'hits' on Google'

[Robert]

Technically, I do.

Thus far, the biggest hit total I've ever seen from google came from
simply typing I in the search bar, receiving three times as many hits
as me, a just a bit more than you, and eight times as many hits as
them.


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
  NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
  feeling self-important.
  
  However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
  by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
  20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
  ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
  pandemic appears on the News.
  
  So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
  Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
  advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
  antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
  to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
  been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
  to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
  to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
  *if* I have to. So what did I find?
  
  They're already scarce.
  
  Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
  this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
  try four different suppliers before they found a
  box of them they could order for me. 
  
  So, just in case you have similar just in case
  plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
  better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.
  
  'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:
  
  Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
  Relenza (zanamivir)
 
 Probably an extremely good idea. I get asthma so I've been
 watching the news on this with not a little trepidation I can
 tell you.
 
 If it breaks here and looks like it's going to be a bad one
 I'm going to stay indoors for a few weeks as the only way I 
 could get stuff like that is by going to my doctor, which is 
 the last place I'd go during a flu pandemic. I get paranoid
 sitting in the waiting room as it is with all those sick 
 people coughing all over me!
 
 The scary thing about flu is that a major killer outbreak
 is inevitable sooner or later as there is so many of the little
 bastard germs mutating, it really is just a matter of time.
 Fingers crossed that this isn't one of those times.

Amen.

I keep track of these things because I've had
respiratory problems in the past and like to
Be Prepared. Also, even though my father as
an infant survived the flu that killed both
his parents, I'm not convinced I inherited
his hardy genes, so I like to have a fallback
position.

One of the reasons I take precautions like 
stocking up like this is that the last time
there was a potential pandemic scare in the
U.S., what happened was the government was
reputed to have cornered the market on
the drug that could treat it, so that they
could reserve it for the armed forces and
government personnel in case the worst
happened.

Well, of course the worst did *not* happen.
But anyone who thinks that would not happen
again in a real pandemic is incredibly naive.
When it comes to the necessities of life in
a crisis, we and people like us get the
hind tit. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who or What has the most 'hits' on Google'

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:


 Technically, I do.
 
 Thus far, the biggest hit total I've ever seen from google 
 came from simply typing I in the search bar, receiving 
 three times as many hits as me, a just a bit more than 
 you, and eight times as many hits as them.

That is interesting because it violates one of
the principles of cryptography and code-breaking.

I was interested in such things as a youth, and
so stuck somewhere in my synapses is the know-
ledge that one of the tricks used in breaking
codes is to notice the frequency of letter use.
The rule of thumb is that the most-used letter
or symbol in the code you are trying to break
probably represents the English letter E.

Samuel Morse, because it was relevant to creating
Morse code, determined that the most frequently-
used letters in English were (in order): 

E, T, A, I, N, O, S, R

A more extensive study of the Oxford English
Dictionary revealed a different order:

E, A, I, R, O, T, N, S 

So, that said, Google violates this principle.

As you say, searching for the letter I produces
7,780,000,000 hits for me. 

Searching for E, which should theoretically
produce more hits, returns only 6,800,000,000.

Interestingly enough, however, the letter that
beats I in Google hits is the letter A,
at 17,340,000,000 hits.

Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Google Results on TM

[Vaj]

On Apr 26, 2009, at 11:38 PM, grate.swan wrote:

Yes! This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that TM is the best,  
most illustrious and glorious ultra-special bus of all!



I was just following the supreme logic of Curtis-ji. No ax to grind.



If it proves anything, it would seem to prove that they like to  
market, advertise and saturate the net with references, as well as  
have dozens of different web sites. Given they still routinely  
disseminate viral press releases on the most insubstantial junk  
science, this isn't really that surprising at all.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Hugo wrote:




What is it about QP and consciousness that gets people
annoyed? For me it's the idea that there isn't a world
outside of my perception of it. That makes me a realist,
the idea that the universe depends on my/our existence
is so intuitively ridiculous that I dismiss it without
a second thought. Don't feel you can trust intuition?



Physics deals with the physical world, not consciousness. If you  
study physics and quantum physics at the college level this becomes  
immediately apparent.


If you study and/or practice in an eastern tradition with any depth,  
you soon learn that it is isn't consciousness that is the bridge to  
physicality and consciousness, but prana.


Once you understand both these important points, it tends to deflate  
the fanciful quantum mythos. Nonetheless Quantum WishCraft like The  
Secret appeals to people's need for superstition hidden behind a  
veneer of sciencey lingo. It's how we sneak superstition in through  
the back door in an alleged age of reason. And the odd thing is, I  
bet it tends to appeal to people with an above average education.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:45 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote:

If CERN doesn't find a Higgs Boson then unified field theories are  
in big trouble. If people stop believing that there's a unified  
field theory then what happens to the explanations about the ME?



What seems to have gone mostly unnoticed, probably largely due to the  
success with which TM spin pulls wool over eyes, is that legitimate  
neuroscientists are on to the coherence boondoggle. For many years  
people simply accepted the assertion that alpha coherence during TM  
was something significant. It sure sounded important, so it must be!  
It turns out, in regards to higher, more integrated states of  
consciousness, alpha coherence in the range seen in long-term TMers  
is still within the range of coherence seen in Joe or Jane non- 
meditator off the street! So there's really no coherence worth noting  
so far with TM--although other advanced meditators do show different  
types of coherence which are remarkable in some ways. In general  
coherence as a measurement of phaselocking in brainwaves is now an  
obsolete measurement as better methods to measure synchrony have come  
to the fore.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program

[dhamiltony2k5]

Whose voice was this in Wiki on TM about the recerts?  Seems to have an old eye 
for things TMO.

  It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a
  14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for
  Recertified Governors. According to the file history at
  Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then
  the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter
  referral logs.
 
  http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies

There is also a rather difficult to read discussion group, full of noise as 
such things are, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ that 
occasionally is a source of current information.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
 That's ENTERTAINMENT!  Great read.  I was struck with how disappointed so 
 many teachers must be to be cast aside so casually.  If I was in the movement 
 this would cause real pain and conflict.  Think teachers who invested so much 
 into Maharishi ever changing plans through decades, perhaps being heroes of 
 specific projects having to face that they can no longer teach TM without 
 being re-certified which is costly and takes a person away from their family 
 for an extended period.  I think this could have  been done with a bit more 
 compassion.  OTHO it will probably just inspire a lot of teachers so just go 
 rogue and teach TM on their own.
 
 I think that this perspective needs to be shared with people who are 
 evaluating involvement in TM and I'm glad this got leaked.  It lets the 
 public know that their knowledge of TM is being managed and doled out 
 according to their buy-in with the beliefs.  
 
 And for the quote that makes be react with an involuntary erection of my 
 middle finger:
 
  * Hold onto the fact that we are the supreme 
  authorities on health—we know how to create 
  perfect health—we are challenging all 
  governments in world. 
 
 Sure you are, you bunch of gray haired sufferers of every complaint common to 
 all of us baby boomers.  Seeing Maharishi's last decade functioning at a 
 level wy below what my 89 year old dad is rocking, should have been a 
 wake-up call that all is not as described by the man behind the curtain.  The 
 only thing in the world you are challenging is it's credulity at your 
 absurdly grandiose fantasy about your supreme authorityitudednessinhoodinment 
 concerning health.  I would have a bit more sympathy for the organization if 
 it would show a bit o appropriate humility concerning what it means to KNOW 
 something.
 
 Many interesting points, but one really struck me.   The dissing of even 
 Doctors who are in the movement!  Having risked their professional 
 credibility for years supporting Maharishis health schemes, they too are to 
 be discarded!  Nice one, Oh ye of the non- functional second sutra! (Most 
 obscure joke reference to date, take THAT Dennis Miller!)
 
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Doughney mike@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   
There is, after all, nowhere one can go to obtain
a formal definition of what On The Program
means. It's not written down in any Human Resources
manual that contains the rules imposed on teachers
of TM and/or mere practitioners of the TM technique.
   
   Well. Times have changed a bit.
   
   It's not exactly a Human Resources manual, but it is a 
   14 page Overview of Policies and Procedures document for 
   Recertified Governors. According to the file history at 
   Wikileaks.org, it was added there a few days ago, and then 
   the link to it showed up in the TM-Free Blog's sitemeter 
   referral logs. 
   
   http://tinyurl.com/governor-recert-policies
   
   It includes things like a six hour a day program requirement 
   for fulltime Governors, insistence that Ladies teach 
   Ladies and men teach men, and an admonition to not take 
   help from medical Drs. as medical professionals give poison.
  
  Thanks for posting this, Mike.
  
  I, for one, simply cannot WAIT to hear how
  the TM defenders on this forum defend this
  one. That should be very amusing.
  
  I also look forward to the looks on the faces
  of recertified TM teachers attempting to 
  sell the David Lynch Foundation program to
  a school system when one of the teachers or
  parents pulls out a printout of this PDF and
  asks them to explain it. That should be
  even more amusing.
  
  I might add, as a note to TM defenders like
  Judy who never once met Maharishi that *this*
  is what a TM Teacher Training Course *sounds
  like*, and what you missed by never having 
  been on one. Note the careful preservation 
  of Maharishi's broken English so that there 
  can be no question as to who the quote comes 
  from. 
  
  Suggestions for points to defend in your
  ongoing quest to do so here on FFL:
  
  * Recertified Governors are only 

[FairfieldLife] Akshaya Tritiya Day, April 2009

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Results on TM

[Duveyoung]

Yeah, but look at the big numbers that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Maharishi, 
and meditation yields. Funny how I want TM stuff to be more a google 
mountain than Scientology's stuff -- heh heh.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, scienceofabundance no_re...@... wrote:

 I have put the phrase transcendental meditation into Google and it 
 indicates approximately 640,000 results are available (I presume this is 
 worldwide in the English language). Even given the small number of new 
 meditators since the late 70's, this seems like very few results. 
 
 For a comparison of sorts, I put in the term scientology and Google 
 indicates over 6 million results. 
 
 I have no idea how the number of results are generated.  Anybody have any 
 idea if the numbers of results have any meaning regarding current awareness 
 of TM by English-speaking persons worldwide?
 
 Science

[FairfieldLife] Todays Dilbert....

[Hugo]

worth a chuckle

http://www.dilbert.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Akshaya Tritiya Day, April 2009

[shempmcgurk]

What are you doing back?

I thought you left us.





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[FairfieldLife] Swine flu (was: Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 So, just in case you have similar just in case
 plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
 better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.
 
 'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:
 
 Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
 Relenza (zanamivir)

For the record, these two drugs are antivirals, not
antibiotics. Antibiotics have no effect on the flu
(although they're often needed for *complications*
of the flu, such as bronchitis and bacterial
pneumonia).

Barry's right, this is a potentially very serious
situation. At this point not enough is known about
the swine flu outbreak to know just *how* serious.

Bear in mind, though, that if you don't happen to
get sick, stocking up on these antivirals may mean
someone who *does* get sick won't be able to get
them. The supplies are fairly extensive at this
point, but they're not unlimited. What there is
*will* be available through the health-care
system. A quarter of the U.S. stock has already
been released to the states where swine flu cases
have been confirmed.

Tamiflu can *prevent* the flu if you start taking
it as soon as you know you've been exposed (to
someone who is already ill). Once you've *got* the
flu, Tamiflu may reduce symptom severity and make
for quicker recovery, *if* you start taking it
within 24-48 hours of the appearance of symptoms.

Relenza is for treatment rather than prevention.
It's delivered by inhalation rather than tablets,
and has about the same level of effectiveness as
Tamiflu.

(All bets are off if the flu virus develops
resistance, which is not unlikely in a pandemic
situation.)

One of the best sources for up-to-date information
on the swine flu outbreak is the blog DailyKos,
specifically the front-page diaries (on the left)
by DemFromCt, who has been posting updates on a
daily basis, more frequently if necessary. His posts
include links to a wealth of information on the Web,
in terms of what's happening currently, general
information about flu, and what you can do to prepare
if a pandemic strikes. (You'll have to scroll the
front page to find the latest diaries, since DailyKos
covers a lot of different topics.)

Here's his diary from yesterday:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/26/724688/-Swine-Flu-Update:-Public-Health-Emergency-Declared

http://tinyurl.com/crmj2p

There's also some good information in the Comments,
but you have to plow through a lot of fluff of 
various kinds to find it. DemFromCt often adds his
own comments in response to questions raised by the
commenters.

Since the avian flu uproar a few years ago, a whole
genre of blogs and Web sites were created to keep
an eye on the flu situation. Some of the information
is specific to avian flu, which isn't currently an
active threat, but much of it is applicable to swine
flu as well, and these sites are rapidly gearing up
to focus on swine flu.

Much of the information on preparation is of the
survivalist variety--how to stock up on food and
other necessities in case a pandemic causes the
infrastructure to break down. It's hard to know
when one should start making these more extreme
preparations. If people start to panic, there may
be shortages of just about everything, making it
difficult or impossible to stock up because so many
others are doing so.

Note, by the way, that this year's flu shot for the
standard seasonal flu is apparently not effective
against the swine flu in the current outbreak.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  I will say this, I can see how a lot of petty 
  rules would become intolerable if one were subject
  to them on a long-term basis. It's one of the 
  reasons I never became a TM teacher (and one of
  the reasons I decided to work for myself instead
  of somebody else--you think the TMO is petty, but
  companies can be just as petty).
  
  So I have some sympathy for Geeze if the Great
  Ice Cream Expedition was the straw the camel
  stepped on and broke for him.
  
  But you've been arguing that the rules for
  ordinary weekend residence courses for meditators
  are intolerable, and that just strikes me as very
  revealing of your control-freakishness.
 
 And I've been making the point that IMO
 the *only* reason for the rules on TM
 residence courses is Maharishi's and the
 TMO's control-freak nature. It pervades
 everything they do, and has IMO *nothing*
 to do with the supposed welfare of those
 being controlled. How much they *really*
 care about them has been demonstrated over
 and over. The control-freak behavior is 
 IMO *only* about establishing a pattern 
 in the students of being controlled.
 
 It starts with telling them what to bring
 for the puja and demanding that they give
 up drugs for 15 days. It continues with 
 the gentle motion to instruct them to
 kneel. It continues with What we learn
 in private, we keep in private...you
 agree, yes? It continues in the three
 days of checking and it is reinforced
 in *spades* on residence courses, where
 *every minute of their time* is decided
 for them, their diet is decided for them,
 and any deviance from doing what they are
 told to do is met with at the very least
 a frown and, if they persist, a stern 
 talking to by the person who they are 
 supposed to perceive as an authority.
 
 And after years or decades of such treat-
 ment, some people get so used to being
 treated like this by control freaks that
 not only do they see nothing wrong with
 it, they make excuses for the control
 freaks, and attempt to paint anyone who
 does *not* submit to their control as
 having something wrong with *them*.

Says Barry, having just quoted me saying I
sympathized with Geeze!

My point about what's wrong with Barry has to
do with the fact that a grownup should be able
to tolerate some petty rules if (a) they're not
too burdensome, (b) they don't have to be 
tolerated for long, and (c) going along with 
them allows one to do something one wants to do.

To refuse to submit and to wail in outrage 
under those circumstances seems to me to be
symptomatic of inner uncertainty about one's
own autonomy.

 It reminds me of that young woman who 
 was kept chained to a radiator in her 
 basement for years by her father. When 
 she was finally found and set free, and 
 her father charged with child abuse, she
 testified in his favor, saying He was 
 only trying to protect me.
 
 That could be Judy Stein.

Barry hasn't yet gotten over his upset at what
happened to him here a week ago. His brain is
still fried from his extreme agitation.

[FairfieldLife] Fw: Mother Meera, June 27 / 28

[Alex Stanley]

- Forwarded Message 
From: Michael soulch...@web.de
To: fairfieldlife-ow...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 9:14:57 AM
Subject: Mother Meera,  June 27 / 28

Mother Meera will do a very short trip to the US  in June and give Darshan in 
Fairfield June 27 / 28.

http://www.mothermeera-fairfield.com/


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[Marek Reavis]

As re the apocalypse (from Wired):

http://snipurl.com/gu9o2

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
 NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
 feeling self-important.
 
 However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
 by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
 20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
 ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
 pandemic appears on the News.
 
 So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
 Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
 advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
 antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
 to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
 been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
 to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
 to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
 *if* I have to. So what did I find?
 
 They're already scarce.
 
 Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
 this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
 try four different suppliers before they found a
 box of them they could order for me. 
 
 So, just in case you have similar just in case
 plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
 better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.
 
 'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:
 
 Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
 Relenza (zanamivir)

[FairfieldLife] 'Cause and Effect and Free Will'

[Robert]

Cause and Effect and Free Will

There is nothing inherently right about cause and effect. Cause and
effect has been a part of this plane because you as humans decided to
honor it, to venerate it, to say, “It is the preferred condition that
you will follow.” Thus you will need proof. Thus you will need facts.
Thus you will need all of these things to add up to make something
happen that is worthwhile. Do the animals live by this? No. Do those
who are not involved in the center of your society, those who are
considered abnormal or handicapped, do they live by this? No. Do the
very young children who have not yet been affected by your teachings,
do they live by this? No. They live by their authentic revelation and
jubilance in the moment. They live knowing that if it isn’t laughing,
if it isn’t lightness, if it isn’t fun, it isn’t worth being here.

This is what you want to mentor. This is what you want to follow. When
you do you have an effect that is beyond your conception. You begin to
see and know that you are living life exactly as you want to. Those
who are here on this earth who are continually holding on to the fear
and to the old patterns and the old paradigm, they will recognize that
they are not moving in an energy that is conducive to the kind of love
and nurturance they want. Then they will choose. The wondrousness of
free will for the human being stays intact. There is always choice. Do
you follow the lightness? Do you follow the love? Or do you follow
what is more fearful and removed and separated from the whole? The
choice is always yours. Those who choose that will find that soon the
human condition does not promote it and so will choose not to be
human.

Astute versus non-astute

Of course we utilize the names, we utilize the definitions, because
you in your way of language have no other way for us to step in with
the energy. Those of you that have simply felt with no words what it
is like to know you are divine and have a moment of that inspiration -
that recognition that you are connected to All That Is, that bliss
that comes from such a moment – you know that no word is needed. You
know you are feeling the astuteness. There is nothing about astute
energy that is held off or kept at bay for anyone in this plane. All
souls have the capacity to feel that wondrous energy that is of the
divine, is of the whole, is of the One, is of bliss. No one is removed
from it.

Yet there are those souls who have taken up residence in bodies in the
human form, those who have not been invested in the experience with
the same intensity or with the same amount of experience, that are not
in the same way viewing the experience once they step in to the human
self. They are purporting and bringing forth a wondrous energy – an
energy that allows others to learn and to grow just as they learn and
grow. There is no measurement from spirit into who has a better way of
learning and growing. That is your judgment. So what is happening in
terms of your ability to recognize each other on the earth, you use
terms that will help you bring understanding and will bring a way of
life that is more divine to you.
So if you are utilizing the notion of astuteness or non-astuteness in
a way to judge or to separate or to cut off who you are here as a
human being then, of course, you are not living from divinity. You are
not living from a place that is of love and of the One. This is not
relegated only to those who are astute. Any soul who feels the energy
of being in this plane and recognizes the richness that this plane
offers and steps up to find the love, the spirit, and the humor in it
– whether they have had many experiences here or not, whether they are
young or old souls – they have the ability to respond to the energy
that is astute and they can step into it, feel it and live it. Those
who choose not to (and there are some in both areas) - those that you
recognize as astute, as well as those who are not – continue to say
the old way is the old way is the only way I know how to uphold. The
old way of fear and the old way of security and safety is the only way
I want to go.

So there is nothing to do with whether you call, through the labeling
of the characterizations of your language, one who is astute or non-
astute that is here living in the way that we speak tonight. All can
participate in the joy of the moment. All can find the wonder of
spirit in life. It matters not how many experiences they have had on
this earth as a human. It is simply – do they take the moment and
begin to draw themselves into it and find the lightness and the love
that we speak of tonight? There are those who are in the energy of
what we call astute who can do this and those in that energy who
cannot. There are those who we call the non-astute who can do this and
those who cannot. It is not a matter of what you are inside of
yourself that has any indication in terms of your physical life how
you emulate and how you bring forward your light and 

[FairfieldLife] The Swine Flu, hand-shaking, and the fist bump

[shempmcgurk]

I was just watching the morning talk shows and, as expected, the Mexican
Flu is pretty much all they're talking about.

I've now seen at least three expert interviews and in each
one the expert said that one of the main ways the virus is spread is via
hand-shaking and that's why multiple hand washing during the day is
so important.

For heaven's sake, if that's the case, why can't we start a
tradition of doing the fist-bump instead of hand-shaking? I remember
during the campaign when Obama did some fist-bumping that some critics
claimed it was some sort of secret ghetto communication.

Well, who cares? There's that TV personality Howie Mandel who is
germ-phobic and he never shakes hands but, rather, does the fist bump.
Seems to me we should all start doing it, now, and maintain the
practise. If hand shaking is so dangerous, then this possible pandemic
is demanding a new tradition.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 12:45 AM, guyfawkes91 wrote:
 
  If CERN doesn't find a Higgs Boson then unified field theories are  
  in big trouble. If people stop believing that there's a unified  
  field theory then what happens to the explanations about the ME?
 
 
 What seems to have gone mostly unnoticed, probably largely due to the  
 success with which TM spin pulls wool over eyes, is that legitimate  
 neuroscientists are on to the coherence boondoggle. For many years  
 people simply accepted the assertion that alpha coherence during TM  
 was something significant. It sure sounded important, so it must be!  
 It turns out, in regards to higher, more integrated states of  
 consciousness, alpha coherence in the range seen in long-term TMers  
 is still within the range of coherence seen in Joe or Jane non- 
 meditator off the street! So there's really no coherence worth noting  
 so far with TM--although other advanced meditators do show different  
 types of coherence which are remarkable in some ways. In general  
 coherence as a measurement of phaselocking in brainwaves is now an  
 obsolete measurement as better methods to measure synchrony have come  
 to the fore.


Actually, according to Fred Travis' latest published research, that is NOT
the case: there is a continuum of frontal alpha coherence seen in people
which happens to correlate nicely with 

1) their tendency to describe their self in certain ways;
2) their overall success in their chosen field;
3) AND the length of time they've spent doing TM.

Highly successful managers and champion athletes show much the same frontal
alpha EEG coherence as long term TMers, but NOT as much as those reporting
consitent witnessing 24/7 for at least a year.

And their responses on the describe your 'self' question tend to fall in the 
long-term-but-not-witnessing TM range as well.


Fred is quite happy with his object referral/self referral scale. It seems to 
be 
a decent predictor of several different things, all TM-theory related.




L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes103@ wrote:
 
  
  
  What is it about QP and consciousness that gets people
  annoyed? For me it's the idea that there isn't a world
  outside of my perception of it. 
 
 Or, as another physicist working on fundamental theories
 of nature put it: If consciousness isn't the only thing
 to collapse quantum waveforms (which it isn't) why should
 anyone think it's the *only* thing that collapses them?



Hagelin's vedic definition of consciousness boils down to the QM definition
when you look at it closely. As I said, there's no controversy in the claim at
its most basic level because consciousness noting its own existence is no 
different
than self interactions between the fundamental elementary thingie (superstring?)
that is the basis of QM. Only if you insist that there is no fundamental thingie
do you run into problems when making the comparison at that level.


The question arises: does analysis at this level yield anything 
useful/insightful/
significant? Hagelin claims it does.


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Unified Field - The Big Question.

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote:

 
 
 Q: Does there actually need to be a unified field?
 
 A: No.



What do you mean by unified field? Are you saying that Reductionism for
physics is a red herring?


Lawson

[FairfieldLife] Mother Meera, June 27 / 28

[Rick Archer]

Mother Meera will do a very short trip to the US  in June and give Darshan
in Fairfield June 27 / 28.

http://www.mothermeera-fairfield.com/

[FairfieldLife] 'Can't buy me Enlightenment'

[Robert]

The big lesson of  the TMO?
You can't buy enlightenment.
If you don't believe me, just ask...
 Ask the Kaplan's...

'Can't buy me Love'

Can't buy me love, love

Can't buy me love



I'll buy you a diamond ring my friend if it makes you feel alright

I'll get you anything my friend if it makes you feel alright

'Cause I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love



I'll give you all I got to give if you say you love me too

I may not have a lot to give but what I got I'll give to you

I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love



Can't buy me love, everybody tells me so

Can't buy me love, no no no, no



Say you don't need no diamond ring and I'll be satisfied

Tell me that you want the kind of thing that money just can't buy

I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love


-The Beatles.






  

[FairfieldLife] Re: I see Bevan has been polishing his thumbscrews

[Richard J. Williams]

 In other words, the Golden Dome at Fairfield, 
 (not to be confused with the Maharishi Golden 
 Dome of Pure Knowledge at Radience, Texas,  
 home of the Superadiance program), is a sort 
 of hollow tope, surmounted by a kalasa, 
 supported by the amalaka in which the akasha,  
 symbolizing dimensionless space, is supported 
 by the linga, surmounting the eight-angled 
 cintamani vajra, an 8-sided prototypic  
 harmika with a rail surrounding the hypaethral 
 pavilion constituting a veritible chaitya-garbha 
 pradakshina with a nice fence around it!
 http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/
 
Sal Sunshine wrote:
 In any other group this insane gibberish would
 earn whoever had written it a one-way trip to
 the nearest asylum.
 
It's obviously way above your head, Sal. LOL!

But, have you ever thought about taking a course 
in Art History 101 at a local community college, 
Sal? Have you ever been outside Jefferson County?

Titles of interest:

'Buddhist Stupas in Asia'
by Bill Wassman, Joe Cummings, Robert A. F. Thurman
Lonely Planet Books, November 2001 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 

 Physics deals with the physical world, not consciousness. If you  
 study physics and quantum physics at the college level this becomes  
 immediately apparent.
 
 If you study and/or practice in an eastern tradition with any depth,  
 you soon learn that it is isn't consciousness that is the bridge to  
 physicality and consciousness, but prana.
 

Hmmm... ata eva praaNaH

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-09.html

[FairfieldLife] 'Bye, bye Caesar/Hello Obama'

[Robert]

CAPTION:  


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President Obama's 100th Day in Office at NYC's Union Square.
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no...@noahgpop.com, +1-646-413-2366.


  

[FairfieldLife] Did Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code author, use TM to battle writer's block?

[Rick Archer]

Here's a Baltimore Sun literary quiz: Did Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code author,
use Transcendental Meditation to battle writer's block? We'll have to wait
and see in tomorrow's answers.
A literary quiz -- Baltimore Sun version

So you know Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code author?

Dan Brown burst into the headlines this week, with news that his new book,
The Last Symbol, will be released in September. But while his Da Vinci Code
has sold tens of millions and been adapted for a movie, folks may not know
much about his background. This quiz will test your knowledge; just leave
your answers in a comment. (I'll post answers Tuesday.)

1. Before becoming a writer, Brown was a singer-songwriter and pianist. One
of his albums was called: a. Leonardo's Code b. Angels  Demons c. The Last
Symbol d. The Shining

2. His first book was called: a. From Stockbridge to Boston: A Singer's
Journey b. 101 Ways to Survive a New Hampshire Winter c. 187 Men to Avoid: A
Survival Guide for the Romantically Frustrated Woman d. Love and Death in
the Louvre

3. That book was published in 1995 under the pseudonym: a. Danielle Brown b.
Dan Black c. Blythe Brown d. Stephen Kingman

4. Brown first learned of the mysteries hidden in Da Vinci's paintings
while: a. studying art history at the University of Seville b. studying
French at Oxford c. studying European history at the Sorbonne d. studying
Italian at the University of Rome

5. What technique has he used to battle writer's block? a. Hanging upside
down by using gravity boots b. Drinking raw eggs c. Jumping from his roof
into the snow d. Transcendental Meditation

6. Brown believes in: a. extraterrestrial visitors b. crop circles c. the
Bermuda Triangle d. all of the above e. none of the above

(Remember, tomorrow we'll have another quiz -- on Baltimore Sun editors and
writers who have written books -- so drop by again.)

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/2009/04/so_you_know
_dan_brown_the_da_v.html
 
image.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[pranamoocher]

RG:
Thanks for posting that.  Beautifully stated.
Absolutely my experience and couldn't be written better than you did.
Love the technique; have stayed away from the TMO shenanigans since
1980!


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

  TM is a technique which transcends itself...
 Unfortunately, the organization which it produced, does not.
 In a way, they are polar opposites.
 With the TM technique, one becomes more fluid, more free.
 With the TMO, one becomes more rigid, more dependent.

 Every organization has this problem...it's kind of an inherent thing,
with any organization.

 The only exception I know of is the 12 step programs...
 The founders, with the help of Carl Jung, and others, structured the
12 steps,
 To be free of ego and money.
 No one is the 'Head' of the organization, and no one makes money from
it.
 No one seeks fame, and no one broadcasts on radio or TV.
 The organization is structured this way, to preserve it's purity...
 And it has succeeded in a big way, around the world.

 As soon as one is given power and money, the innocence is lost.
 Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 Maharishi wanted to attend to the rich and powerful, mostly...
 For whatever reason?  I'm not sure.

 People with names like 'Kingsley' and 'Bevan', are just not my type.
 The names themselves reveal arrogance.

 I suppose because there is so much poverty in India...
 Many from India come here, and become entrenched in materialism...

 So, this has expressed itself in the TM movement, becoming more
outrageous,
 With the times...
 We can all see the outrageous behavior on Wall St...
 It's just the way it is...with the egos running wild.
 It's the same thing.

 There was an Indian woman saint I once heard quoted as saying:
 'Don't ever think you are beyond money'...
 Because money does have the power to corrupt, and corrupt it does.

 The real irony is the life that Guru Dev lived, is polar opposite;
 He lived most of his life, in the deep forests, with little need of
material wealth.
 And this is where the power of the whole thing, came from.
 One who had no money, and no worldly power.

 So, where there was once a heart and a soul...
 Money and power took hold, and a feeling of emptiness followed.
 Heart and Soul were replaced with...stuff...
 And stuff, is just stuff...so,

 I don't see any way it's ever going to change.
 If you wish to be enlightened, you eventually need to transcend the
thing, right?

 All I know is, I am my own 'Maharishi Effect'...
 When I meditate, the atmosphere around me 'settles down'...
 This is my experience.
 I appreciate the teaching, the puja is beautiful, the teaching simple
and pure.
 But, I don't have much respect for the money changers;
 The money changers, in the Temple.
 Somehow, they need to be thrown out, but then again...
 We all know the story, of what happens if you mess,
 With those money changers.

 R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, sparaig wrote:


What seems to have gone mostly unnoticed, probably largely due to the
success with which TM spin pulls wool over eyes, is that legitimate
neuroscientists are on to the coherence boondoggle. For many years
people simply accepted the assertion that alpha coherence during TM
was something significant. It sure sounded important, so it must be!
It turns out, in regards to higher, more integrated states of
consciousness, alpha coherence in the range seen in long-term TMers
is still within the range of coherence seen in Joe or Jane non-
meditator off the street! So there's really no coherence worth noting
so far with TM--although other advanced meditators do show different
types of coherence which are remarkable in some ways. In general
coherence as a measurement of phaselocking in brainwaves is now an
obsolete measurement as better methods to measure synchrony have come
to the fore.



Actually, according to Fred Travis' latest published research, that  
is NOT
the case: there is a continuum of frontal alpha coherence seen in  
people

which happens to correlate nicely with

1) their tendency to describe their self in certain ways;


Well of course one would expect they'd describe themselves as they've  
been conditioned to over decades.



2) their overall success in their chosen field;
3) AND the length of time they've spent doing TM.


So this touches on what we've talked about here before: self  
actualization vs. self realization. Finding Dharma vs. finding  
Self. Alpha emitters become alpha males (and females presumably).




Highly successful managers and champion athletes show much the same  
frontal
alpha EEG coherence as long term TMers, but NOT as much as those  
reporting

consitent witnessing 24/7 for at least a year.


Of course it would probably be easy to cherry-pick almost any group  
since alpha coherence is not only common, it's frequent in most humans!




And their responses on the describe your 'self' question tend to  
fall in the

long-term-but-not-witnessing TM range as well.


Fred is quite happy with his object referral/self referral scale.  
It seems to be

a decent predictor of several different things, all TM-theory related.


Where was this published? PDF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
 I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
 NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
 feeling self-important.

 However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
 by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
 20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
 ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
 pandemic appears on the News.

 So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
 Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
 advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
 antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
 to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
 been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
 to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
 to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
 *if* I have to. So what did I find?

 They're already scarce.

 Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
 this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
 try four different suppliers before they found a
 box of them they could order for me. 

 So, just in case you have similar just in case
 plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
 better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.

 'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:

 Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
 Relenza (zanamivir)
I can't remember the last time I got the flu.   Some years I don't even 
get one cold.  This year I haven't had so much as a sore throat.   Most 
of this due to my knowledge of Ayurveda as well as other alternative 
techniques.  It's definitely good stuff to know though you have to dig 
deep into it.  

And of course I don't do flu shots either and when I worked in an office 
people who got them seemed to wind up with the flu anyway.   A funny 
thing though is this year I don't recall seeing many people sneezing and 
wheezing in stores and shops.  Usually I see more than a few people who 
shouldn't be out and about.  It might have been a mild cold season in 
California.  I also think the MSM was blowing this thing a bit out of 
proportion to take attention off the torture stuff.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:


[snip]


 All I know is, I am my own 'Maharishi Effect'...
 When I meditate, the atmosphere around me 'settles down'...
 This is my experience.
 I appreciate the teaching, the puja is beautiful, the teaching simple and 
 pure.
 But, I don't have much respect for the money changers;
 The money changers, in the Temple.
 Somehow, they need to be thrown out, but then again...
 We all know the story, of what happens if you mess,
 With those money changers.


No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the 
other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve 
God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
Matthew 6:24 [KJV]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Did Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code author, use TM to battle writer's block?

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
 Here's a Baltimore Sun literary quiz: Did Dan Brown, Da Vinci Code author,
 use Transcendental Meditation to battle writer's block? We'll have to wait
 and see in tomorrow's answers.
 A literary quiz -- Baltimore Sun version

 So you know Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code author?

 Dan Brown burst into the headlines this week, with news that his new book,
 The Last Symbol, will be released in September. But while his Da Vinci Code
 has sold tens of millions and been adapted for a movie, folks may not know
 much about his background. This quiz will test your knowledge; just leave
 your answers in a comment. (I'll post answers Tuesday.)

 1. Before becoming a writer, Brown was a singer-songwriter and pianist. One
 of his albums was called: a. Leonardo's Code b. Angels  Demons c. The Last
 Symbol d. The Shining

 2. His first book was called: a. From Stockbridge to Boston: A Singer's
 Journey b. 101 Ways to Survive a New Hampshire Winter c. 187 Men to Avoid: A
 Survival Guide for the Romantically Frustrated Woman d. Love and Death in
 the Louvre

 3. That book was published in 1995 under the pseudonym: a. Danielle Brown b.
 Dan Black c. Blythe Brown d. Stephen Kingman

 4. Brown first learned of the mysteries hidden in Da Vinci's paintings
 while: a. studying art history at the University of Seville b. studying
 French at Oxford c. studying European history at the Sorbonne d. studying
 Italian at the University of Rome

 5. What technique has he used to battle writer's block? a. Hanging upside
 down by using gravity boots b. Drinking raw eggs c. Jumping from his roof
 into the snow d. Transcendental Meditation

 6. Brown believes in: a. extraterrestrial visitors b. crop circles c. the
 Bermuda Triangle d. all of the above e. none of the above

 (Remember, tomorrow we'll have another quiz -- on Baltimore Sun editors and
 writers who have written books -- so drop by again.)

 http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/books/blog/2009/04/so_you_know
 _dan_brown_the_da_v.html
I wonder if the the Dan Brown you see in pictures is the real author or 
his publicist.  I knew one very famous author whose publicist was on the 
cover of his books and made appearances in his name.  Bring out a camera 
and this guy was gone in a second.  Seems some authors work this way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: On The Program and Off The Program

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 Judy took the opposite approach. She not only 
 did everything she was told to do, she became
 a petty tyrant in training, aiding and abetting
 the petty tyrants by berating anyone who was not
 as compliant as she was. She still does this,
 on pretty much a daily basis, here on FFL.

Um, no, she didn't, and she doesn't.

The list of things I was told to do (or not do)
that I haven't (or have) done is quite long. If
anybody's interested, I'll mention a few.

The most obvious one is my long-time participation
on alt.m.t and FFL, which (as Barry knows) is NOT
considered on the program.

And of course as anyone who reads my posts knows,
I *don't* berate people here for not being
compliant, let alone on a daily basis.

 What Judy would like to pretend is that it 
 was about you committing the sin of wanting
 to be treated enough like an adult to be 
 free to leave your hotel when you felt like 
 it, and not about eating ice cream. She some-
 how believes that's sanER than it being 
 about ice cream.
 
 THAT is how cultwhipped she is.

Actually I suspect most people would agree
with me. And of course I've made it quite clear
that I don't consider either a sin.

What's happened here is that Barry got caught
pretending Geeze got in trouble for eating ice
cream; he's still pretending that's the case
even though Geeze has said explicitly that it
was because he left the hotel. Barry can't
lash out at Geeze for exposing his pretense,
so he's lashing out at me instead.

[FairfieldLife] An insight about TB tactics (was Re: On The Program and Off The Program)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Just to point out something interesting, the
 *only thing* that Judy found in the following
 post worth commenting on was the ice cream
 incident.
 
 And WHY?

Because I assume it's a given that we all find the
various rules Barry listed to be petty and unnecessary
at best and oppressive and outrageous at worst.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Two more examples of the TB create a diversion tactic

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 Here's my theory. Do NOT take it as fact, merely as a
 finger pointing at someone mooning you, a suggestion
 for something to *watch for* in the future posts of
 Judy Stein and other TM defenders on this forum.
 
 That is, a tendency to try to sidetrack discussions
 that have the potential to become embarrassing to TM
 or the TMO or Maharishi by creating a diversion.
 It is my contention that Judy has realized (if not
 consciously, certainly subconsciously) that many
 posters here will ignore and avoid like the plague
 any thread that they perceive as Judy and Barry
 sniping at each other again. Yes, they are wise to
 do this. :-) But yes, in my opinion, Judy *uses*
 that to sidetrack threads she doesn't like, and
 to effectively take them offline.

Adding to Barry's brain-frying agitation hangover
from last week is the fact that folks haven't been
responding to his *original* posts, before they've
been polluted by Judy-Barry sniping.

So he's trying to blame me *after the fact* for
this, his state of mind being too distraught to
realize he's making zero sense.

And no, of course I'm not trying to sidetrack
threads. What Barry would like me to do is *not
comment at all* on his TM/MMY/TMer/TMO-bashing
posts; his increasingly foggy mind is hoping he 
can intimidate me into not doing so for fear folks
will think I'm attempting to sidetrack them.

Naga happen, Barry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum Physics and Consciousness

[guyfawkes91]

It's possible that the critical issue is the fact that classical information 
can be duplicated and quantum information can't. Because classical information 
can be duplicated then an observer can share it with another observer, who can 
share it with even more, so that the information exists independently of any 
one observer and it's therefore out there. Quantum information can't be 
duplicated (the no-cloning theorem takes care of that), so it can't have the 
same kind of existence outside of one observer's state of knowledge that 
classical information can.

It's an interesting topic and not one to explore in depth on this forum.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:
snip
 I keep track of these things because I've had
 respiratory problems in the past and like to
 Be Prepared. Also, even though my father as
 an infant survived the flu that killed both
 his parents, I'm not convinced I inherited
 his hardy genes, so I like to have a fallback
 position.

Actually, the thing about the 1918 pandemic--which
is also being seen in Mexico--is that it tended to
kill vigorous, healthy adults, while very young
children and older people were more likely to survive
it. This is the reverse of what happens with the
seasonal flu and is a sign that the population has
no immunity to it, that it's a novel pathogen. That's
why it's so potentially dangerous.

The theory is that in people with vigorous immune
systems, a novel pathogen triggers a massive, 
ferocious immune reaction that not only kills the
pathogen but creates an out-of-control inflammatory
response so intense that it kills the sick person
as well.

Google cytokine storm for the details.

In any case, young children whose immune systems
aren't yet fully developed and older people whose
immune systems have declined tend not to have this
kind of response and are therefore more likely to
recover. The role genes play in any of this is
uncertain.

In Mexico, all the confirmed flu deaths so far
have been in people aged 25 to 50. There could
be other factors than cytokine storm involved,
however. We just don't know enough of the specifics
yet. In the U.S., all the known current cases of the
swine flu have been relatively mild, and we don't
know why.

[FairfieldLife] So you hate taxes and government?

[do.rflex]

Here's a great place to go that has NO taxes or government: 
http://snipurl.com/fz1c5 


Paradise for Libertarians

For Ron Paul's growing legion of dope-addled contradictarian libertarians, 
Somalia is like nirvana. There are no taxes. No public education. No national 
healthcare. No national debt.

No labor laws. No environmental laws. No business regulations. No unions. No 
import or export restrictions. No meddlesome big government—or small government 
for that matter. And everyone smokes khat, which is a leafy plant that 
temporarily deludes its users into feeling as if their problems are gone.

Somalia, a country that hasn't had an operating central government since 1991, 
is a libertarian Republican's wet dream, where entrepreneurs can grow their 
businesses unfettered by laws and regulations.

~Full article: http://www.mediastudy.com/articles/av4-16-09.html




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[I am the eternal]

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, authfriend jst...@panix.com wrote:

This one /appears/ to have a higher mortality rate than the Spanish Flu,
though we have to find a way to explain why the only deaths so far have been
in Mexico.   We have global transportation where at any one time 500,000
people are in the air at one time.  This makes things much different than
the Spanish Flu.

We're entering the dormant flu season.  Flu doesn't prosper well in the
Summer but once Fall comes we could see an explosion bigger than we've seen
since the Spanish Flu.  Remember, in the Spanish Flu pandemic, we were a
mostly rural population.

I haven't come across a blog yet blaming this flu on gay marriages, Obama
promoting women equal pay or any other such thing.

On the bright side, Al Gore will see fewer people causing global warming and
Obama's health plan will have to cover less people, though the bottom half
of the age distribution of the targets of this flu are what insurance
companies term the immortals.  Except for dot.com billionaires, the 45+
y/o people are in their peak earning period and therefore their peak tax
time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[guyfawkes91]

Fred is probably one of the few people in the TMO doing a useful job. Shame 
that MUM will fold sometime in the next 20 years because they can't get the 
staff.

[FairfieldLife] 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

[do.rflex]

BBC - The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.

Comparative video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm 

There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the 
quietest it has been for a very long time.

The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures of 
the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.

The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has a 
tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized chunks of 
super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.

Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet 
spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low 
in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.

According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear why 
this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.

There's no sign of us coming out of it yet, she told BBC News.

At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that we'll be 
going into a normal period of activity soon.

Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is a 
big scientific debate at the moment.
Images from Soho taken in 2001 (left) and 2007 (right)
Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year (r)

In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - lasted 
70 years, and led to a mini ice age.

This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling might offset 
the impact of climate change.

According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too 
simplistic.

I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data shows that 
is not the case, he said.

Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun's activity 
has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global temperatures have 
continued to rise.

If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the 
underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a 
continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on for a 
couple of decades.

If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen it by now.

'Middle ground'

Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is calming down 
after an unusually high point in its activity.

Professor Lockwood believes that as well as the Sun's 11-year cycle, there is 
an underlying solar oscillation lasting hundreds of years.

He suggests that 1985 marked the grand maximum in this long-term cycle and 
the Maunder Minimum marked its low point.

We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun in 
its top 10% of activity, said Professor Lockwood.

We would expect it to be more than 100 years before we get down to the levels 
of the Maunder Minimum.

He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun was not going to reverse 
the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

What we are seeing is consistent with a global temperature rise, not that the 
Sun is coming to our aid.

Data from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shows global 
average temperatures have risen by about 0.7C since the beginning of the 20th 
Century.

And the IPCC projects that the world will continue to warm, with temperatures 
expected to rise between 1.8C and 4C by the end of the century.

No-one knows how the centuries-long waxing and waning of the Sun works. 
However, astronomers now have space telescopes studying the Sun in detail.

According to Prof Richard Harrison of the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, 
Oxfordshire, this current quiet period gives astronomers a unique opportunity.

This is very exciting because as astronomers we've never seen anything like 
this before in our lifetimes, he said.

We have spacecraft up there to study the Sun in phenomenal detail. With these 
telescopes we can study this minimum of activity in a way that we could not 
have done so in the past.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

[shempmcgurk]

This explains the cooling period we've been experiencing for the past 8 years 
or so.

The sun is 99.% responsible for whether the Earth experiences global 
warming or global cooling. Other factors (and CO2 is NOT the #1 factor, 
according to the IPCC, it is livestock farting) are responsible for the other 
00.0001% influence on temperature.

Thanks, Bongo, for leaving the Dark Side and reproducing this article that is 
yet more evidence that the catastrophic man-made global warming movement is a 
bunch of bunk.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 BBC - The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
 
 Comparative video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm 
 
 There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the 
 quietest it has been for a very long time.
 
 The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures 
 of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.
 
 The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has 
 a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized chunks 
 of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.
 
 Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet 
 spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year low 
 in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.
 
 According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear why 
 this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.
 
 There's no sign of us coming out of it yet, she told BBC News.
 
 At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that we'll 
 be going into a normal period of activity soon.
 
 Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is a 
 big scientific debate at the moment.
 Images from Soho taken in 2001 (left) and 2007 (right)
 Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year 
 (r)
 
 In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - 
 lasted 70 years, and led to a mini ice age.
 
 This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling might 
 offset the impact of climate change.
 
 According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too 
 simplistic.
 
 I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data shows that 
 is not the case, he said.
 
 Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun's 
 activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global 
 temperatures have continued to rise.
 
 If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the 
 underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a 
 continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on for 
 a couple of decades.
 
 If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen it by 
 now.
 
 'Middle ground'
 
 Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is calming down 
 after an unusually high point in its activity.
 
 Professor Lockwood believes that as well as the Sun's 11-year cycle, there is 
 an underlying solar oscillation lasting hundreds of years.
 
 He suggests that 1985 marked the grand maximum in this long-term cycle and 
 the Maunder Minimum marked its low point.
 
 We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun 
 in its top 10% of activity, said Professor Lockwood.
 
 We would expect it to be more than 100 years before we get down to the 
 levels of the Maunder Minimum.
 
 He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun was not going to reverse 
 the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels.
 
 What we are seeing is consistent with a global temperature rise, not that 
 the Sun is coming to our aid.
 
 Data from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shows global 
 average temperatures have risen by about 0.7C since the beginning of the 20th 
 Century.
 
 And the IPCC projects that the world will continue to warm, with temperatures 
 expected to rise between 1.8C and 4C by the end of the century.
 
 No-one knows how the centuries-long waxing and waning of the Sun works. 
 However, astronomers now have space telescopes studying the Sun in detail.
 
 According to Prof Richard Harrison of the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, 
 Oxfordshire, this current quiet period gives astronomers a unique opportunity.
 
 This is very exciting because as astronomers we've never seen anything like 
 this before in our lifetimes, he said.
 
 We have spacecraft up there to study the Sun in phenomenal detail. With 
 these telescopes we can study this minimum of activity in a way that we could 
 not have done so in the past.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote:

 This explains the cooling period we've been experiencing for the past 8 years 
 or so.
 
 The sun is 99.% responsible for whether the Earth experiences global 
 warming or global cooling. Other factors (and CO2 is NOT the #1 factor, 
 according to the IPCC, it is livestock farting) are responsible for the other 
 00.0001% influence on temperature.



Nope, sorry Magoo. You apparently didn't even read the article:

--- In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - 
lasted 70 years, and led to a mini ice age. This has resulted in some people 
suggesting that a similar cooling might offset the impact of climate change.

According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too 
simplistic. I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data 
shows that is not the case, he said.

Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun's 
activityhas been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global 
temperatures have continued to rise.

If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the
underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a 
continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on for a 
couple of decades.

If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen it by now. 
---






 
 Thanks, Bongo, for leaving the Dark Side and reproducing this article that is 
 yet more evidence that the catastrophic man-made global warming movement is a 
 bunch of bunk.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  BBC - The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
  
  Comparative video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm 
  
  There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the 
  quietest it has been for a very long time.
  
  The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new 
  pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.
  
  The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it 
  has a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized 
  chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.
  
  Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet 
  spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year 
  low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.
  
  According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear 
  why this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.
  
  There's no sign of us coming out of it yet, she told BBC News.
  
  At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that 
  we'll be going into a normal period of activity soon.
  
  Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is 
  a big scientific debate at the moment.
  Images from Soho taken in 2001 (left) and 2007 (right)
  Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year 
  (r)
  
  In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - 
  lasted 70 years, and led to a mini ice age.
  
  This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling might 
  offset the impact of climate change.
  
  According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too 
  simplistic.
  
  I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data shows 
  that is not the case, he said.
  
  Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun's 
  activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global 
  temperatures have continued to rise.
  
  If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the 
  underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is 
  a continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on 
  for a couple of decades.
  
  If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen it by 
  now.
  
  'Middle ground'
  
  Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is calming 
  down after an unusually high point in its activity.
  
  Professor Lockwood believes that as well as the Sun's 11-year cycle, there 
  is an underlying solar oscillation lasting hundreds of years.
  
  He suggests that 1985 marked the grand maximum in this long-term cycle 
  and the Maunder Minimum marked its low point.
  
  We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun 
  in its top 10% of activity, said Professor Lockwood.
  
  We would expect it to be more than 100 years before we get down to the 
  levels of the Maunder Minimum.
  
  He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun was not going to 
  reverse the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil 
  fuels.
  
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
[...]
  Fred is quite happy with his object referral/self referral scale.  
  It seems to be
  a decent predictor of several different things, all TM-theory related.
 
 Where was this published? PDF?


http://www.totalbrain.ch/?page_id=42


L

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  What seems to have gone mostly unnoticed, probably largely due to the
  success with which TM spin pulls wool over eyes, is that legitimate
  neuroscientists are on to the coherence boondoggle. For many years
  people simply accepted the assertion that alpha coherence during TM
  was something significant. It sure sounded important, so it must be!
  It turns out, in regards to higher, more integrated states of
  consciousness, alpha coherence in the range seen in long-term TMers
  is still within the range of coherence seen in Joe or Jane non-
  meditator off the street! So there's really no coherence worth noting
  so far with TM--although other advanced meditators do show different
  types of coherence which are remarkable in some ways. In general
  coherence as a measurement of phaselocking in brainwaves is now an
  obsolete measurement as better methods to measure synchrony have come
  to the fore.
 
 
  Actually, according to Fred Travis' latest published research, that  
  is NOT
  the case: there is a continuum of frontal alpha coherence seen in  
  people
  which happens to correlate nicely with
 
  1) their tendency to describe their self in certain ways;
 
 Well of course one would expect they'd describe themselves as they've  
 been conditioned to over decades.


Sure, but the tendency appears to fall outside the TMers as well. Your champion
atheletes apparently tend to be less object oriented than the non-champion
athletes. Likewise with the most successful managers.

 
  2) their overall success in their chosen field;
  3) AND the length of time they've spent doing TM.
 
 So this touches on what we've talked about here before: self  
 actualization vs. self realization. Finding Dharma vs. finding  
 Self. Alpha emitters become alpha males (and females presumably).
 

Er, yeah.


 
  Highly successful managers and champion athletes show much the same  
  frontal
  alpha EEG coherence as long term TMers, but NOT as much as those  
  reporting
  consitent witnessing 24/7 for at least a year.
 
 Of course it would probably be easy to cherry-pick almost any group  
 since alpha coherence is not only common, it's frequent in most humans!
 

CHerry picking as in splitting atheletes into non-world champions/champions
you mean? By defintion, this kind of study cherry picks people and puts them 
into different categories.



L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 snip
  I keep track of these things because I've had
  respiratory problems in the past and like to
  Be Prepared. Also, even though my father as
  an infant survived the flu that killed both
  his parents, I'm not convinced I inherited
  his hardy genes, so I like to have a fallback
  position.
 
 Actually, the thing about the 1918 pandemic--which
 is also being seen in Mexico--is that it tended to
 kill vigorous, healthy adults, while very young
 children and older people were more likely to survive
 it. This is the reverse of what happens with the
 seasonal flu and is a sign that the population has
 no immunity to it, that it's a novel pathogen. That's
 why it's so potentially dangerous.
 
 The theory is that in people with vigorous immune
 systems, a novel pathogen triggers a massive, 
 ferocious immune reaction that not only kills the
 pathogen but creates an out-of-control inflammatory
 response so intense that it kills the sick person
 as well.
 
 Google cytokine storm for the details.
 
 In any case, young children whose immune systems
 aren't yet fully developed and older people whose
 immune systems have declined tend not to have this
 kind of response and are therefore more likely to
 recover. The role genes play in any of this is
 uncertain.
 
 In Mexico, all the confirmed flu deaths so far
 have been in people aged 25 to 50. There could
 be other factors than cytokine storm involved,
 however. We just don't know enough of the specifics
 yet. In the U.S., all the known current cases of the
 swine flu have been relatively mild, and we don't
 know why.


I'm wondering if anyone has done correlation studies between
swine flu fatality and TB in Mexico...

Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

[Bhairitu]

However there is nothing wrong with reducing the amount of waste and 
emissions we create.  We would have much cleaner air, water and living 
areas.  The only area I tend to disdain about this new concern for the 
environment is how the corporations and government are figuring into 
cashing in on it and creating some ridiculous laws and taxes that aren't 
necessary.   A lot of  time the 51% just rule works.

shempmcgurk wrote:
 This explains the cooling period we've been experiencing for the past 8 years 
 or so.

 The sun is 99.% responsible for whether the Earth experiences global 
 warming or global cooling. Other factors (and CO2 is NOT the #1 factor, 
 according to the IPCC, it is livestock farting) are responsible for the other 
 00.0001% influence on temperature.

 Thanks, Bongo, for leaving the Dark Side and reproducing this article that is 
 yet more evidence that the catastrophic man-made global warming movement is a 
 bunch of bunk.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:
   

 BBC - The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.

 Comparative video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm 

 There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the 
 quietest it has been for a very long time.

 The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures 
 of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.

 The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its peak, it has 
 a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and planet-sized 
 chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer period.

 Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after a quiet 
 spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure, a 55-year 
 low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot activity.

 According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is unclear 
 why this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more active again.

 There's no sign of us coming out of it yet, she told BBC News.

 At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting that we'll 
 be going into a normal period of activity soon.

 Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period - this is 
 a big scientific debate at the moment.
 Images from Soho taken in 2001 (left) and 2007 (right)
 Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not this year 
 (r)

 In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder Minimum - 
 lasted 70 years, and led to a mini ice age.

 This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling might 
 offset the impact of climate change.

 According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view is too 
 simplistic.

 I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data shows 
 that is not the case, he said.

 Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the Sun's 
 activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall global 
 temperatures have continued to rise.

 If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that the 
 underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are seeing is a 
 continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's been going on 
 for a couple of decades.

 If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen it by 
 now.

 'Middle ground'

 Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is calming down 
 after an unusually high point in its activity.

 Professor Lockwood believes that as well as the Sun's 11-year cycle, there 
 is an underlying solar oscillation lasting hundreds of years.

 He suggests that 1985 marked the grand maximum in this long-term cycle and 
 the Maunder Minimum marked its low point.

 We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen the Sun 
 in its top 10% of activity, said Professor Lockwood.

 We would expect it to be more than 100 years before we get down to the 
 levels of the Maunder Minimum.

 He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun was not going to reverse 
 the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

 What we are seeing is consistent with a global temperature rise, not that 
 the Sun is coming to our aid.

 Data from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shows global 
 average temperatures have risen by about 0.7C since the beginning of the 
 20th Century.

 And the IPCC projects that the world will continue to warm, with 
 temperatures expected to rise between 1.8C and 4C by the end of the century.

 No-one knows how the centuries-long waxing and waning of the Sun works. 
 However, astronomers now have space telescopes studying the Sun in detail.

 According to Prof Richard Harrison of the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, 
 Oxfordshire, this current quiet period gives astronomers a unique 
 opportunity.

 This is very exciting because 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

  TM is a technique which transcends itself...
 Unfortunately, the organization which it produced, does not.
 In a way, they are polar opposites.
 With the TM technique, one becomes more fluid, more free.
 With the TMO, one becomes more rigid, more dependent.
 
 Every organization has this problem...it's kind of an inherent thing, with 
 any organization.
 
 The only exception I know of is the 12 step programs...
 The founders, with the help of Carl Jung, and others, structured the 12 
 steps,
 To be free of ego and money.
 No one is the 'Head' of the organization, and no one makes money from it.
 No one seeks fame, and no one broadcasts on radio or TV.
 The organization is structured this way, to preserve it's purity...
 And it has succeeded in a big way, around the world.
 
 As soon as one is given power and money, the innocence is lost.
 Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
 
 Maharishi wanted to attend to the rich and powerful, mostly...
 For whatever reason?  I'm not sure.

I think the key to understanding MMY is his sincere and 'ardent' desire for 
World Peace and Love to all the family of nations!

When he said World Peace is only a matter of money (paraphrased) he expressed 
his belief that the TM/TM Siddhis programs really can work. I'm not sure he was 
sold on the numbers however, but in his thinking I'm sure it was a good start, 
pretty easy really.

MMY was a 'macrocosmic' teacher, his desire was social reform encompassing all 
the world, ambitious? absolutey! but that was MMY, IMHO.

I think it's a mistake to compare MMY along with a Sat-Guru (like Guru Dev), 
his approach was significantly different 

 
 People with names like 'Kingsley' and 'Bevan', are just not my type.
 The names themselves reveal arrogance.
 
 I suppose because there is so much poverty in India...
 Many from India come here, and become entrenched in materialism...
 
 So, this has expressed itself in the TM movement, becoming more outrageous, 
 With the times...
 We can all see the outrageous behavior on Wall St...
 It's just the way it is...with the egos running wild.
 It's the same thing.
 
 There was an Indian woman saint I once heard quoted as saying:
 'Don't ever think you are beyond money'...
 Because money does have the power to corrupt, and corrupt it does.
 
 The real irony is the life that Guru Dev lived, is polar opposite;
 He lived most of his life, in the deep forests, with little need of material 
 wealth.
 And this is where the power of the whole thing, came from.
 One who had no money, and no worldly power.
 
 So, where there was once a heart and a soul...
 Money and power took hold, and a feeling of emptiness followed.
 Heart and Soul were replaced with...stuff...
 And stuff, is just stuff...so,
 
 I don't see any way it's ever going to change.
 If you wish to be enlightened, you eventually need to transcend the thing, 
 right?
 
 All I know is, I am my own 'Maharishi Effect'...
 When I meditate, the atmosphere around me 'settles down'...
 This is my experience.
 I appreciate the teaching, the puja is beautiful, the teaching simple and 
 pure.
 But, I don't have much respect for the money changers;
 The money changers, in the Temple.
 Somehow, they need to be thrown out, but then again...
 We all know the story, of what happens if you mess,
 With those money changers.
 
 R.G.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dollhouse -- another Joss episode, Haunted

[Bhairitu]

That was kind of a fun read as the blogger was setting up Whedonite 
TB'ers to make excuses in the comments section as to what the episode 
was about.  However if you have to stand on your head to make a show 
look better maybe one should except that the writing and production just 
wasn't that good and Whedon may no longer be in his prime though I 
thought Dr. Horrible was great fun and I never had to stand on my head 
for Firefly either.

authfriend wrote:
 Another view of Dollhouse, on DailyKos:

 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/4/25/724353/-We-interrupt-this-channel...

 http://tinyurl.com/c64boz

   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, sparaig wrote:


Well of course one would expect they'd describe themselves as they've
been conditioned to over decades.



Sure, but the tendency appears to fall outside the TMers as well.  
Your champion
atheletes apparently tend to be less object oriented than the non- 
champion

athletes. Likewise with the most successful managers.


One would expect, given the reality of neuroplasticity, that people  
with similar mental styles may have similar EEG traits, for example  
since alpha is associated with nonvisual thinking, really all you'd  
need to have is a nonvisual thinking style, and that would seem rather  
common and also rather unremarkable. Another way to get people to  
produce impressive, regular high amplitude alpha bursts is to get  
subjects to intend to hear a faint sound. And it doesn't have to be a  
mantra. Just transitioning from visual objects to phonic objects  
(whatever they are) causes an increase in alpha. Given these facts,  
your going to have to design controls that show the magical TM mantra  
does anything different. But I think the science would already show  
there is really no difference.


As a great expert on EEG once said Concluding anything about alpha is  
perilous.








2) their overall success in their chosen field;
3) AND the length of time they've spent doing TM.


So this touches on what we've talked about here before: self
actualization vs. self realization. Finding Dharma vs. finding
Self. Alpha emitters become alpha males (and females presumably).



Er, yeah.




Highly successful managers and champion athletes show much the same
frontal
alpha EEG coherence as long term TMers, but NOT as much as those
reporting
consitent witnessing 24/7 for at least a year.


Of course it would probably be easy to cherry-pick almost any group
since alpha coherence is not only common, it's frequent in most  
humans!




CHerry picking as in splitting atheletes into non-world champions/ 
champions
you mean? By defintion, this kind of study cherry picks people and  
puts them

into different categories.


No, finding a certain segment of humanity that produces the same  
artifacts.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the 
 other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot 
 serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
 Matthew 6:24 [KJV]

I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would not 
qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another matter isn't 
it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:51 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:



On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, sparaig wrote:

[...]

Fred is quite happy with his object referral/self referral scale.
It seems to be
a decent predictor of several different things, all TM-theory  
related.


Where was this published? PDF?



http://www.totalbrain.ch/?page_id=42



Am I missing the paper? All I see is an abstract intended for (not  
presented during) a conference. If you've ever been to a scientific  
conference, they will often have a session just of posters of  
research. That's really not that remarkable. You get the title and the  
abstract published if you get to display--maybe some charts of  
pictures. It's no big deal--I don't consider that publication.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the 
  other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot 
  serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
  Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
 
 I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would not 
 qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another matter isn't 
 it.


Did you ever work personally with him Billy?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Google Results on TM

[scienceofabundance]

Thank you, everyone. You have _definitely_ clarified this for me to a degree I 
would never have thought humanly (or FFLly) possible.

Eternally grateful,
Science

[FairfieldLife] State Of Play

[TurquoiseB]

*Excellent* political thriller, with a cast to die 
for: Russell Crowe, Ben Affleck, Rachel McAdams, 
Helen Mirren, Robin Wright Penn, and Jeff Daniels, 
all at the top of their form. Great plot twists,
good direction...in ahort, two thumbs up from me.
Well worth whatever a movie costs you these days.

I have often maintained that Russell Crowe, despite
his bad boy image and sometimes real-life antics,
has an ethical streak a mile long. It shows in his
choice of roles. And, at this point, with his track
record, he really *does* have a choice of roles. In
my opinion, he rarely picks one unless it gives him 
an opportunity to show off something about the side
of him that he most identifies with.

And I say more power to him, because I identify with
that side, too. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the 
  other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot 
  serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
  Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
 
 I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would not 
 qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another matter isn't 
 it.


I think you're fooling yourself, BillyG. Maharishi's whole effort in his later 
years was characterized by pitching for and getting more and more money for 
proposals that most often never materialized. 

I remember around seven or so years ago he got $100 million from an 
Enlightenment Course where he promised to use the money to fund some thousands 
of 'pandits'. No such numbers of 'pandit's' showed up anywhere for years. That 
ca$h went SOMEWHERE though.

And that was just ONE of his-cash-for-promises ventures where he got the cash 
but the promises fizzled.

Didn't Maharishi say sometime earlier on Larry King that all he needed was 
another billion dollars or so to create world peace?

Do you think the reports about millions going to his personal family members in 
India and hidden accounts are all made up?

Do you REALLY think you can pay ca$h for heaven, BillyG?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[BillyG.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
   No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love 
   the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye 
   cannot serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
   Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
  
  I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would 
  not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another matter 
  isn't it.
 
 
 Did you ever work personally with him Billy?

Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced technique 
from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, and was employed 
and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.

But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could be 
consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's what you 
think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and 
original True Believer!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:55 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
[...]
  Of course it would probably be easy to cherry-pick almost any group
  since alpha coherence is not only common, it's frequent in most  
  humans!
 
 
  CHerry picking as in splitting atheletes into non-world champions/ 
  champions
  you mean? By defintion, this kind of study cherry picks people and  
  puts them
  into different categories.
 
 No, finding a certain segment of humanity that produces the same  
 artifacts.


You say tomato; I say tomato...


L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quantum gods don't deserve your faith

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 3:51 PM, sparaig wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
 
  On Apr 27, 2009, at 11:11 AM, sparaig wrote:
  [...]
  Fred is quite happy with his object referral/self referral scale.
  It seems to be
  a decent predictor of several different things, all TM-theory  
  related.
 
  Where was this published? PDF?
 
 
  http://www.totalbrain.ch/?page_id=42
 
 
 Am I missing the paper? All I see is an abstract intended for (not  
 presented during) a conference. If you've ever been to a scientific  
 conference, they will often have a session just of posters of  
 research. That's really not that remarkable. You get the title and the  
 abstract published if you get to display--maybe some charts of  
 pictures. It's no big deal--I don't consider that publication.


AH, well, sorry. 

http://www.totalbrain.ch/?page_id=97


THere's more recent studies published using this scale but this is where
its introduced.



Lawson

Re: [FairfieldLife] State Of Play

[Bhairitu]

I thought it was an okay movie and Crowe did well but Affleck doesn't 
sell his role well and takes you out of the movie.  I think Affleck is 
overrated but then all we have to do is think of Gigli.  :D  This was 
the movie I had to go to twice as the first time the power went out just 
in to the trailers.  I also saw the original on PBS a few years back.


TurquoiseB wrote:
 *Excellent* political thriller, with a cast to die 
 for: Russell Crowe, Ben Affleck, Rachel McAdams, 
 Helen Mirren, Robin Wright Penn, and Jeff Daniels, 
 all at the top of their form. Great plot twists,
 good direction...in ahort, two thumbs up from me.
 Well worth whatever a movie costs you these days.

 I have often maintained that Russell Crowe, despite
 his bad boy image and sometimes real-life antics,
 has an ethical streak a mile long. It shows in his
 choice of roles. And, at this point, with his track
 record, he really *does* have a choice of roles. In
 my opinion, he rarely picks one unless it gives him 
 an opportunity to show off something about the side
 of him that he most identifies with.

 And I say more power to him, because I identify with
 that side, too. 




   

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could be 
 consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's what 
 you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and 
 original True Believer!

Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to buy lots of 
shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations for a man to acquire 
as much as Maharishi did would not be at that level.  Donald Trump isn't at 
that level.  The super rich do it for personal reasons.  Could be a competitive 
instinct, that is probably part of why Donald ended up with so much.

But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last expressed desires 
for money from his minions, the erecting (unfortunate choice of words given 
their phallic shape) of Maharishi towers all over the world.  Maharishi was 
consumed with a desire to be viewed and remembered as the most important man in 
history. You can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:

He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his value to 
the world as with most historically great men, he decided to buy his own 
monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with his presumptively 
assumed name on them. You know the name that some random journalist in South 
India used to describe him that he then decided to make the centerpiece of his 
personal brand.

Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he bought all 
those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
   
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love 
the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye 
cannot serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
   
   I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would 
   not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another 
   matter isn't it.
  
  
  Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
 
 Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
 technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, and 
 was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.
 
 But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could be 
 consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's what 
 you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and 
 original True Believer!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
   
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love 
the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye 
cannot serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
   
   I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he would 
   not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's another 
   matter isn't it.
  
  
  Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
 
 Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
 technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, and 
 was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.
 
 But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could be 
 consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's what 
 you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and 
 original True Believer!

So you never worked with him on a continuing basis. Many who had close (daily) 
contact with MMY saw for themselves how he would manipulate those with access 
to large amounts of money to part with it for his own purposes. I saw it as 
well although my contact with him was not daily. If you've read the Sexy Sadie 
files then you also know that a number of his personal assistants have no doubt 
at all about his dalliances with women in the 60s and 70s.

So...what you are saying is that your opinion is all based on a feeling, 
correct?

[FairfieldLife] For BillyG - Don't Look at Girls

[do.rflex]

A public service announcement (not porn]: 
http://misscellania.blogspot.com/2008/11/dont-look-at-girls.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:15 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wg...@... wrote:


But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think  
MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal  
gratification.  If that's what you think, you clearly don't  
understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and original True  
Believer!


Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to  
buy lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations  
for a man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that  
level.  Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for  
personal reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably  
part of why Donald ended up with so much.


But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last  
expressed desires for money from his minions, the erecting  
(unfortunate choice of words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi  
towers all over the world.  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to  
be viewed and remembered as the most important man in history. You  
can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:


He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide  
his value to the world as with most historically great men, he  
decided to buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the  
world with his presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name  
that some random journalist in South India used to describe him that  
he then decided to make the centerpiece of his personal brand.


Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he  
bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!



Let's not forget that he also gave his ultimate teachings on  
enlightenment...for a cool MILLION. This includes some on this list.  
From those who've talked about what they received, it was just BS.  
Little new, certainly nothing enlightening. For those who were very  
attached to his former personality and earlier memories, it was a  
chance to buy video darshan, as he sequestered himself a way, like a  
Hindu Howard Hughes. Cha ching.


He was the archetypal megalomaniacal, materialistic and Asuriac guru  
of our time. And he died likely from complications from his sweetness  
addiction and his own diabetes, in a mansion designed to resemble a  
king's palace. A tacky king's palace.


What's most interesting to me is the incredible, monumental effort his  
followers go to to cover for him and hide his avaricious ambitions.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:

 
 On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:15 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think  
  MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal  
  gratification.  If that's what you think, you clearly don't  
  understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and original True  
  Believer!
 
  Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to  
  buy lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations  
  for a man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that  
  level.  Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for  
  personal reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably  
  part of why Donald ended up with so much.
 
  But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last  
  expressed desires for money from his minions, the erecting  
  (unfortunate choice of words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi  
  towers all over the world.  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to  
  be viewed and remembered as the most important man in history. You  
  can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:
 
  He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide  
  his value to the world as with most historically great men, he  
  decided to buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the  
  world with his presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name  
  that some random journalist in South India used to describe him that  
  he then decided to make the centerpiece of his personal brand.
 
  Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he  
  bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
 
 
 Let's not forget that he also gave his ultimate teachings on  
 enlightenment...for a cool MILLION. This includes some on this list.  
  From those who've talked about what they received, it was just BS.  
 Little new, certainly nothing enlightening. For those who were very  
 attached to his former personality and earlier memories, it was a  
 chance to buy video darshan, as he sequestered himself a way, like a  
 Hindu Howard Hughes. Cha ching.
 
 He was the archetypal megalomaniacal, materialistic and Asuriac guru  
 of our time. And he died likely from complications from his sweetness  
 addiction and his own diabetes, in a mansion designed to resemble a  
 king's palace. A tacky king's palace.
 
 What's most interesting to me is the incredible, monumental effort his  
 followers go to to cover for him and hide his avaricious ambitions.


You say tomato, I say tomato.

L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For BillyG - Don't Look at Girls

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rf...@... wrote:

 
 
 A public service announcement (not porn]: 
 http://misscellania.blogspot.com/2008/11/dont-look-at-girls.html


That was so great.  Pure Shankara philosophy, right out of the Crest Jewel of 
Discrimination!

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
 
  
  On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:15 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think  
   MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal  
   gratification.  If that's what you think, you clearly don't  
   understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and original True  
   Believer!
  
   Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to  
   buy lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations  
   for a man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that  
   level.  Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for  
   personal reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably  
   part of why Donald ended up with so much.
  
   But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last  
   expressed desires for money from his minions, the erecting  
   (unfortunate choice of words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi  
   towers all over the world.  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to  
   be viewed and remembered as the most important man in history. You  
   can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:
  
   He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide  
   his value to the world as with most historically great men, he  
   decided to buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the  
   world with his presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name  
   that some random journalist in South India used to describe him that  
   he then decided to make the centerpiece of his personal brand.
  
   Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he  
   bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
  
  
  Let's not forget that he also gave his ultimate teachings on  
  enlightenment...for a cool MILLION. This includes some on this list.  
   From those who've talked about what they received, it was just BS.  
  Little new, certainly nothing enlightening. For those who were very  
  attached to his former personality and earlier memories, it was a  
  chance to buy video darshan, as he sequestered himself a way, like a  
  Hindu Howard Hughes. Cha ching.
  
  He was the archetypal megalomaniacal, materialistic and Asuriac guru  
  of our time. And he died likely from complications from his sweetness  
  addiction and his own diabetes, in a mansion designed to resemble a  
  king's palace. A tacky king's palace.
  
  What's most interesting to me is the incredible, monumental effort his  
  followers go to to cover for him and hide his avaricious ambitions.
 
 
 You say tomato, I say tomato.
 
 L.

That might be the most lame response I can ever remember you posting Lawson.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[Vaj]

On Apr 27, 2009, at 6:36 PM, sparaig wrote:

 You say tomato, I say tomato.


You say Ayurvedic, non-GMO, Maharishi organic, scientifically-proven  
Vedic tomato, I say tomato. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Rachel Maddow - Torture Orders came from the Top

[do.rflex]

Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kUdUCPbOv4

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[scienceofabundance]

I think you're fooling yourself, BillyG. Maharishi's whole effort in his 
later years was characterized by pitching for and getting more and more money 
[for proposals that most often never materialized.] 

I know the first part of the sentence to be true (excluding the clause which I 
have placed in parentheses - to be explained).  

From people who worked with MMY in his last years, he did indeed focus very, 
very strongly on money - and he was very open about it to his inner circle.  
His stated goal to these people who worked for him was to make the TMO 
financially independent for the future.  His stated goals to others (pundits, 
etc.) may have been different. 

He was personally involved with a large number of investments (property mainly, 
particularly but not exclusively in countries where the government were engaged 
in partnering with organizations to buy/build properties. By personally 
involved, I mean phone calls to local teachers and his representatives on the 
ground in far from Vlodrop places. This went on right up to his last months.

The number of properties owned by the TMO with which I am familiar is quite 
astounding and will not be known by the public or TMO members in the forseeable 
future. 

Reason for parentheses:  MMY was quite clear to his assistants on his reason 
for his increasingly strong focus on money in the last years his life (stated 
above). Whether we believe his reason or not, that is up to us - thus the 
reason for the parentheses. 

Science

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could 
  be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's 
  what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the 
  ultimate and original True Believer!
 
 Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to buy lots 
 of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations for a man to 
 acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that level.  Donald Trump 
 isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for personal reasons.  Could be a 
 competitive instinct, that is probably part of why Donald ended up with so 
 much.
 
 But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last expressed 
 desires for money from his minions, the erecting (unfortunate choice of words 
 given their phallic shape) of Maharishi towers all over the world.  Maharishi 
 was consumed with a desire to be viewed and remembered as the most important 
 man in history. You can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:
 
 He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his value 
 to the world as with most historically great men, he decided to buy his own 
 monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with his presumptively 
 assumed name on them. You know the name that some random journalist in South 
 India used to describe him that he then decided to make the centerpiece of 
 his personal brand.
 
 Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he bought 
 all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:

 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and 
 love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the 
 other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
 Matthew 6:24 [KJV]

I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he 
would not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's 
another matter isn't it.
   
   
   Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
  
  Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
  technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, and 
  was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.
  
  But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY could 
  be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If that's 
  what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the 
  ultimate and original True Believer!
 

In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was different.
Something changed, somewhere along the line...
Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed...
John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took hold.
Money became the answer to everything.
The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted to 
destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for.
Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed.
Then it became like, show me the money...

This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush...
Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their bank 
acct...
Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the innocence.
So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, because I 
have money and you don't.
There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out.
The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, was 
compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money changers.
During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music devolved, 
simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the country with cocaine.
Many forces were at play, and might became right...
The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism...

Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity...
Has the movement moved so far to the right, that it can never return to the 
middle?
Who knows why it all happened this way...
It's all connected, and gated communities with fearful people living behind 
walls, locked in their safe little world...

Maharishi polarized with Bush and Doctors, and might makes right, who were just 
in it for the money...seeing in their reflection, the absurdity of their ways...

He became enslaved by the bitches that took over the movement.
R.G.
It's quite a 

[FairfieldLife] Re: For BillyG - Don't Look at Girls

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  
  
  A public service announcement (not porn]: 
  http://misscellania.blogspot.com/2008/11/dont-look-at-girls.html
 
 
 That was so great.  Pure Shankara philosophy, right out of the Crest Jewel of 
 Discrimination!


The authorship of the 'Crest Jewel of Discrimination' is disputed.

http://resources.metapress.com/pdf-preview.axd?code=uqkul77ql22u2j72size=largest

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Quiet Sun' baffling astronomers

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , shempmcgurk shempmcg...@...
wrote:

 This explains the cooling period we've been experiencing for the past
8 years or so.

No, but it has brought to light your lack of understanding of planetary
warming.

Please explain in no more than 300 words why Venus is known to have what
geologists and astronomers call 'a greenhouse atmosphere' (ie. in a
state of equilibrium - not changing.) Compare and contrast that to an
atmosphere in 'disequilibrium' (ie. changable atmosphere like Earths)

Get back to us after you have educated yourself.

OffWorld



 The sun is 99.% responsible for whether the Earth experiences
global warming or global cooling. Other factors (and CO2 is NOT the #1
factor, according to the IPCC, it is livestock farting) are responsible
for the other 00.0001% influence on temperature.

 Thanks, Bongo, for leaving the Dark Side and reproducing this article
that is yet more evidence that the catastrophic man-made global warming
movement is a bunch of bunk.

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
 
 
  BBC - The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
 
  Comparative video: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009185.stm
 
  There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star
is the quietest it has been for a very long time.
 
  The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new
pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy
Meeting.
 
  The Sun normally undergoes an 11-year cycle of activity. At its
peak, it has a tumultuous boiling atmosphere that spits out flares and
planet-sized chunks of super-hot gas. This is followed by a calmer
period.
 
  Last year, it was expected that it would have been hotting up after
a quiet spell. But instead it hit a 50-year low in solar wind pressure,
a 55-year low in radio emissions, and a 100-year low in sunspot
activity.
 
  According to Prof Louise Hara of University College London, it is
unclear why this is happening or when the Sun is likely to become more
active again.
 
  There's no sign of us coming out of it yet, she told BBC News.
 
  At the moment, there are scientific papers coming out suggesting
that we'll be going into a normal period of activity soon.
 
  Others are suggesting we'll be going into another minimum period -
this is a big scientific debate at the moment.
  Images from Soho taken in 2001 (left) and 2007 (right)
  Sunspots could be seen by the Soho telescope in 2001 (l), but not
this year (r)
 
  In the mid-17th Century, a quiet spell - known as the Maunder
Minimum - lasted 70 years, and led to a mini ice age.
 
  This has resulted in some people suggesting that a similar cooling
might offset the impact of climate change.
 
  According to Prof Mike Lockwood of Southampton University, this view
is too simplistic.
 
  I wish the Sun was coming to our aid but, unfortunately, the data
shows that is not the case, he said.
 
  Prof Lockwood was one of the first researchers to show that the
Sun's activity has been gradually decreasing since 1985, yet overall
global temperatures have continued to rise.
 
  If you look carefully at the observations, it's pretty clear that
the underlying level of the Sun peaked at about 1985 and what we are
seeing is a continuation of a downward trend (in solar activity) that's
been going on for a couple of decades.
 
  If the Sun's dimming were to have a cooling effect, we'd have seen
it by now.
 
  'Middle ground'
 
  Evidence from tree trunks and ice cores suggest that the Sun is
calming down after an unusually high point in its activity.
 
  Professor Lockwood believes that as well as the Sun's 11-year cycle,
there is an underlying solar oscillation lasting hundreds of years.
 
  He suggests that 1985 marked the grand maximum in this long-term
cycle and the Maunder Minimum marked its low point.
 
  We are re-entering the middle ground after a period which has seen
the Sun in its top 10% of activity, said Professor Lockwood.
 
  We would expect it to be more than 100 years before we get down to
the levels of the Maunder Minimum.
 
  He added that the current slight dimming of the Sun was not going to
reverse the rise in global temperatures caused by the burning of fossil
fuels.
 
  What we are seeing is consistent with a global temperature rise,
not that the Sun is coming to our aid.
 
  Data from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) shows
global average temperatures have risen by about 0.7C since the beginning
of the 20th Century.
 
  And the IPCC projects that the world will continue to warm, with
temperatures expected to rise between 1.8C and 4C by the end of the
century.
 
  No-one knows how the centuries-long waxing and waning of the Sun
works. However, astronomers now have space telescopes studying the Sun
in detail.
 
  According to 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
   could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If 
   that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was 
   the ultimate and original True Believer!
  
  Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to buy 
  lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations for a man 
  to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that level.  Donald 
  Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for personal reasons.  
  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably part of why Donald ended 
  up with so much.
  
  But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last expressed 
  desires for money from his minions, the erecting (unfortunate choice of 
  words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi towers all over the world.  
  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to be viewed and remembered as the 
  most important man in history. You can spin it any way you want but here 
  are the facts:
  
  He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his value 
  to the world as with most historically great men, he decided to buy his own 
  monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with his presumptively 
  assumed name on them. You know the name that some random journalist in 
  South India used to describe him that he then decided to make the 
  centerpiece of his personal brand.
  
  Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he bought 
  all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
  
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and 
  love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the 
  other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [worldly wealth]. 
  Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
 
 I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he 
 would not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's 
 another matter isn't it.


Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
   
   Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
   technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, 
   and was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.
   
   But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
   could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If 
   that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was 
   the ultimate and original True Believer!
  
 
 In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was different.
 Something changed, somewhere along the line...
 Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed...
 John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took hold.
 Money became the answer to everything.
 The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted to 
 destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for.
 Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed.
 Then it became like, show me the money...
 
 This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush...
 Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their bank 
 acct...
 Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the innocence.
 So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, because I 
 have money and you don't.
 There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out.
 The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, was 
 compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money changers.
 During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music devolved, 
 simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the country with cocaine.
 Many forces were at play, and might became right...
 The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism...
 
 Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity...
 Has the movement moved so far to the right, that it can never return to the 
 middle?
 Who knows why it all happened this way...
 It's all connected, and gated communities with fearful people living behind 
 walls, locked in their safe little world...
 
 Maharishi polarized with Bush and Doctors, and might makes right, who were 
 just in it for the money...seeing in their reflection, the absurdity of their 
 ways...
 
 He became enslaved by the bitches that took over the movement.
 R.G.
 
Oh, but he CREATED these bitches that took over the 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Just a hint, for those not averse to antibiotics

[lurkernomore20002000]

Great story.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote:

 As re the apocalypse (from Wired):
 
 http://snipurl.com/gu9o2
 
 **
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  I am NOT a doomsday or apocalypse freak. I do
  NOT get off on imagining the worst as a way of
  feeling self-important.
  
  However, I am also the son of a man orphaned
  by the 1918 flu pandemic that killed an estimated
  20 to 100 million people worldwide. Therefore my
  ears perk up every time the mention of such a 
  pandemic appears on the News.
  
  So today, in the spirit of my old Boy Scout motto
  Be Prepared, I went to the pharmacy to take 
  advantage of the fact that in Spain one can buy
  antibiotics over the counter, without a prescription,
  to stock up on one of the two antibiotics that has
  been shown to kill off this latest flu virus. I try
  to never take antibiotics unless I absolutely have
  to, but I like being able to get the antibiotics
  *if* I have to. So what did I find?
  
  They're already scarce.
  
  Spain has so far only had 3 *suspected* cases of
  this swine flu, and the pharmacy I went to had to
  try four different suppliers before they found a
  box of them they could order for me. 
  
  So, just in case you have similar just in case
  plans for yourself or your family, t'would be
  better to act upon them sooner than later IMO.
  
  'Nuff said. The two antibiotics in question are:
  
  Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate)
  Relenza (zanamivir)
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Who or What has the most 'hits' on Google'

[Nelson]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
 
  Technically, I do.
  
  Thus far, the biggest hit total I've ever seen from google 
  came from simply typing I in the search bar, receiving 
  three times as many hits as me, a just a bit more than 
  you, and eight times as many hits as them.
 
 That is interesting because it violates one of
 the principles of cryptography and code-breaking.
 
 I was interested in such things as a youth, and
 so stuck somewhere in my synapses is the know-
 ledge that one of the tricks used in breaking
 codes is to notice the frequency of letter use.
 The rule of thumb is that the most-used letter
 or symbol in the code you are trying to break
 probably represents the English letter E.
 
 Samuel Morse, because it was relevant to creating
 Morse code, determined that the most frequently-
 used letters in English were (in order): 
 
 E, T, A, I, N, O, S, R
 
 A more extensive study of the Oxford English
 Dictionary revealed a different order:
 
 E, A, I, R, O, T, N, S 
 
 So, that said, Google violates this principle.
 
 As you say, searching for the letter I produces
 7,780,000,000 hits for me. 
 
 Searching for E, which should theoretically
 produce more hits, returns only 6,800,000,000.
 
 Interestingly enough, however, the letter that
 beats I in Google hits is the letter A,
 at 17,340,000,000 hits.
 
 Go figure.

  With the mechanically generated code systems, the old methods are not much 
use.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[shukra69]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If 
that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was 
the ultimate and original True Believer!
   
   Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to buy 
   lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations for a 
   man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that level.  
   Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for personal 
   reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably part of why 
   Donald ended up with so much.
   
   But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last expressed 
   desires for money from his minions, the erecting (unfortunate choice of 
   words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi towers all over the world.  
   Maharishi was consumed with a desire to be viewed and remembered as the 
   most important man in history. You can spin it any way you want but here 
   are the facts:
   
   He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his 
   value to the world as with most historically great men, he decided to buy 
   his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with his 
   presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name that some random 
   journalist in South India used to describe him that he then decided to 
   make the centerpiece of his personal brand.
   
   Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he 
   bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
   
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
   No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, 
   and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and 
   despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [worldly 
   wealth]. 
   Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
  
  I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence he 
  would not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, that's 
  another matter isn't it.
 
 
 Did you ever work personally with him Billy?

Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and Italy, 
and was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.

But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  If 
that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was 
the ultimate and original True Believer!
   
  
  In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was different.
  Something changed, somewhere along the line...
  Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed...
  John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took hold.
  Money became the answer to everything.
  The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted to 
  destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for.
  Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed.
  Then it became like, show me the money...
  
  This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush...
  Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their bank 
  acct...
  Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the innocence.
  So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, because 
  I have money and you don't.
  There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out.
  The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, was 
  compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money changers.
  During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music 
  devolved, simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the country 
  with cocaine.
  Many forces were at play, and might became right...
  The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism...
  
  Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity...
  Has the movement moved so far to the right, that it can never return to the 
  middle?
  Who knows why it all happened this way...
  It's all connected, and gated communities with fearful people living behind 
  walls, locked in their safe little world...
  
  Maharishi polarized with Bush and Doctors, and might makes right, who were 
  just in it for the money...seeing in 

[FairfieldLife] Things are tough in Hollywood

[Bhairitu]

For some reason we have to look to a foreign news service to find this 
article?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2009/apr/27/hollywood-film-industry

Then again I don't care that much for overly technical artistically 
soulless Hollywood films.

[FairfieldLife] Dying is no reason to give up online social life

[I am the eternal]

A statesman... is a dead politician. Lord knows we need more
statesmen. Bloom County

http://www.mddailyrecord.com/article.cfm?id=155339type=Daily

http://tinyurl.com/dgt8oh

Dying is no reason to give up online social life
The Tampa Tribune via the AP
April 27, 2009
In today's world of always-connected social media, there's no reason
to stop interacting online simply because you're dead.

A wave of new companies are starting to offer services such as virtual
cemeteries where guests can visit and e-mail alerts set up by funeral
homes to remind relatives near and wide about the anniversary of your
death.

Some companies even offer to e-mail your wayward relatives in danger
of being left behind when the Rapture whisks you to the threshold of
the Pearly Gates.

While such services seem to reach beyond the grave, a growing
generation of funeral customers refuse to let death have the final
word.

People have a desire to perpetuate not only for themselves, but for
their loved ones, the story of their lives, and technology has all
these new great ways of doing that, said John McQueen, owner of the
Anderson McQueen funeral home.

As baby boomers plunged headlong into online social media in recent
years, they've become especially interested in upending the
traditional philosophy that funerals are really meant for the
survivors. After all, this is the Me Generation.

But beyond generational vagaries, technology now means a funeral
merely begins a new virtual afterlife. And entrepreneurial companies
are right there to make that happen.

Los Angeles-based EternalSpace.com launched its Web site in March,
offering a variety of virtual scenic locations online for a person's
final resting place: A Zen Garden, a Lake View, a Tropical
Valley and other options.

Sold directly through funeral homes, the service allows a person or
relatives to establish a pastoral grave site and add digital amenities
such as the image of a park bench or mausoleum.

Once there, visitors can purchase items to leave behind, such as
flowers, religious icons and other trinkets symbolically important to
the deceased, such as golf clubs, a horse saddle, a piano or trees
that can grow over time. Prices for each range from $5 to $35 apiece.

Typically, a funeral home includes the cost of a virtual world along
with the price of a funeral service, said Jay Goss, vice president of
development for the site. If bought separately, that scenic online
site could cost a few hundred dollars, he said.

This gives people the opportunity to do not just flowers, Goss said.

The Charlestown, Mass.-based online obituary site Tributes.com already
has hundreds of thousands of profile pages, based on death information
from the Social Security Administration. Soon, executives with the
site expect to offer pre-death services, so people can plan their own
online profiles to run after their funeral.

For many people, they're saying 'This is my celebration, and here are
my thoughts,' said John Heald, vice president of business
development. They're challenging us to do things out of the box.

Michelle Costley of Tampa felt compelled to do something online when
her father Thomas Michael Costley died in January. After a quick
Google search for Online Memorial, she found Legacy.com and built a
profile page with her father's picture, a place to donate to the
National Kidney Foundation, a photo gallery and a memory book.

He was constantly on e-mail and a big Facebook fan, so I think he'd
be appreciative, Michelle said. The site has really been helpful to
myself and others, I believe. Sometimes when I'm down, it's nice to
pull up the site and be able to look at his face.

For users of the world's most popular social media Web site, Facebook
offers a way to leave the ultimate status update.

Already, Facebook has become a central hub for news that a person has
died with their home page functioning as an ad hoc trading post for
information about the funeral and gathering place for condolence
notes.

After that initial phase, relatives can ask Facebook to place the dead
person's page into a Memorial State that limits use to only certain
friends and family members. To trigger that process, family members
typically must send Facebook a newspaper clipping about the person's
death, or an official death notice from a local government.

(Facebook launched the feature after the 2007 shootings at Virginia
Tech, when students flocked to each other's pages to make comments.)

In the next few months, John McQueen expects his funeral home will add
more ongoing digital features, including e-mail reminders that
customers can set up for distribution on key dates.

This would come after you visited a person's online profile, McQueen
said. It would auto-send you notification that this person's birthday
is coming up next week, so you might want to drop his wife a card or
call. That could go on indefinitely.

Funeral directors expect more baby boomers will create a vibrant
online life after death.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[Robert]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukr...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:

 But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
 could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  
 If that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY 
 was the ultimate and original True Believer!

Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to buy 
lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations for a 
man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that level.  
Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for personal 
reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably part of why 
Donald ended up with so much.

But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last expressed 
desires for money from his minions, the erecting (unfortunate choice of 
words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi towers all over the 
world.  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to be viewed and 
remembered as the most important man in history. You can spin it any 
way you want but here are the facts:

He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his 
value to the world as with most historically great men, he decided to 
buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with his 
presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name that some random 
journalist in South India used to describe him that he then decided to 
make the centerpiece of his personal brand.

Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he 
bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
   wrote:
   
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, 
and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and 
despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [worldly 
wealth]. 
Matthew 6:24 [KJV]
   
   I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, hence 
   he would not qualify under your posting...now you and I, well, 
   that's another matter isn't it.
  
  
  Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
 
 Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an advanced 
 technique from him while spending time with him in Mallorca and 
 Italy, and was employed and taught at two TM centers in the LA area.
 
 But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think MMY 
 could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal gratification.  
 If that's what you think, you clearly don't understand MMY, IMO.  MMY 
 was the ultimate and original True Believer!

   
   In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was different.
   Something changed, somewhere along the line...
   Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed...
   John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took hold.
   Money became the answer to everything.
   The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted to 
   destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for.
   Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed.
   Then it became like, show me the money...
   
   This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush...
   Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their bank 
   acct...
   Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the innocence.
   So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, 
   because I have money and you don't.
   There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out.
   The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, was 
   compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money 
   changers.
   During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music 
   devolved, simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the country 
   with cocaine.
   Many forces were at play, and might became right...
   The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism...
   
   Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity...
   Has the movement moved so far to the right, that it can never return to 
   the middle?
   Who knows why it all happened this way...
   It's all connected, and gated communities with fearful people 

[FairfieldLife] Jefferson County Supervisors Oppose Gay Marriage

[raunchydog]

Fairfield Daily Ledger
Supervisors call for action on same-sex marriages
The resolution asks the Legislature to resolve the discrepancy between the 
April 3 Iowa Supreme Court ruling and the 1998 Defense of Marriage Act, which 
states marriage in Iowa is only between one man and
By LACEY JACOBS
Ledger staff writer
Published:
Monday, April 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

Before the state's Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriages took 
effect this morning, interested residents packed a meeting room in the 
Jefferson County Courthouse to hear what the local board of supervisors had to 
say about the issue.

Following a brief discussion, the supervisors unanimously passed a resolution 
calling on the Iowa Legislature to pass legislation providing for a public vote 
to amend the Iowa Constitution or to pass legislation conforming Iowa Code to 
the Supreme Court's ruling.

I think the Legislature and the governor have really not done their job. We 
now have conflicting Supreme Court opinion and law, and I personally I would 
like to see the Legislature address the issue, supervisor Steve Burgmeier said.

The resolution he drafted Friday was reviewed and amended by the county 
attorney and assistant county attorney.

It may not do what I want it to do, but it does what the county attorney says 
I can have it do, and that's important, Burgmeier said.

Assistant county attorney Pat McAvan said the board has the ability to lobby 
the Legislature for action, and it's not uncommon for the board to do so.

You're certainly allowed to do this. What you're not allowed to do is make 
legislation on this issue, he said.

Supervisor Dick Reed said certain issues should take into account the voices of 
everyone concerned and he supports a public vote on the issue of same-sex 
marriage.

My concern is that the Legislature in this state and the governor in this 
state have taken a position where they've stated that because the court has 
issued an opinion, that somehow or another that has become the law of the land. 
I'm sorry, but I don't accept that premise, supervisor Lee Dimmitt said.

For the complete article, see the Monday, April 27, 2009, Fairfield Ledger.

http://tinyurl.com/d32gav
http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2009/04/27/fairfield_daily_ledger/top_stories/doc49f60d0051629780627547.txt


• Jefferson County Supervisors this morning unanimously passed a resolution 
this morning asking lawmakers to take action against same-sex marriage.

We expect the Iowa legislature to resolve the issue, said Stephen Burgmeier, 
chairman of the three-member, all-Republican board. We hope it either leads to 
a public vote or to a constitutional amendment.

About 40 people attended the 7:30 a.m. meeting, a meeting that typically 
attracts three or four people, Burgmeier said. Almost all at the meeting were 
against same-sex marriage, he said. A group of residents also brought a 
petition that asks County Recorder Charlotte Fleig to deny the licenses.

Fleig acknowledged that she was aware of the petition but hadn't received it as 
of 9 a.m. this morning. She said she will issue the licenses but, as of 9 a.m., 
no same-sex couples had requested a license although there was at least one 
same-sex couple who called to inquire about the process.

http://tinyurl.com/coczoh
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090427/NEWS/90427010/0/NEWS11

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Transcending the TM movement'

[geezerfreak]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii...@... wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
 
  But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think 
  MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal 
  gratification.  If that's what you think, you clearly don't 
  understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and original True 
  Believer!
 
 Personal gratification...interesting concept.  If you mean money to 
 buy lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions.  The motivations 
 for a man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not be at that 
 level.  Donald Trump isn't at that level.  The super rich do it for 
 personal reasons.  Could be a competitive instinct, that is probably 
 part of why Donald ended up with so much.
 
 But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last 
 expressed desires for money from his minions, the erecting 
 (unfortunate choice of words given their phallic shape) of Maharishi 
 towers all over the world.  Maharishi was consumed with a desire to 
 be viewed and remembered as the most important man in history. You 
 can spin it any way you want but here are the facts:
 
 He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide his 
 value to the world as with most historically great men, he decided to 
 buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the world with 
 his presumptively assumed name on them. You know the name that some 
 random journalist in South India used to describe him that he then 
 decided to make the centerpiece of his personal brand.
 
 Maharishi. The most important man in all of history.  After all, he 
 bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it!
 
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, BillyG. wgm4u@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ 
wrote:

 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the 
 one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, 
 and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon 
 [worldly wealth]. 
 Matthew 6:24 [KJV]

I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, 
hence he would not qualify under your posting...now you and I, 
well, that's another matter isn't it.
   
   
   Did you ever work personally with him Billy?
  
  Nopemet him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an 
  advanced technique from him while spending time with him in 
  Mallorca and Italy, and was employed and taught at two TM centers 
  in the LA area.
  
  But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think 
  MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal 
  gratification.  If that's what you think, you clearly don't 
  understand MMY, IMO.  MMY was the ultimate and original True 
  Believer!
 

In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was 
different.
Something changed, somewhere along the line...
Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed...
John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took hold.
Money became the answer to everything.
The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted 
to destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for.
Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed.
Then it became like, show me the money...

This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush...
Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their 
bank acct...
Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the innocence.
So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, 
because I have money and you don't.
There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out.
The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, was 
compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money 
changers.
During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music 
devolved, simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the 
country with cocaine.
Many forces were at play, and might became right...
The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism...

Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity...
Has the 

[FairfieldLife] The Truth in Labeling Coalition: May 9 event in Fairfield [2 Attachments]

[Rick Archer]

We warmly invite you to a public awareness event hosted by the M.U.M.
Department of Sustainable Living Saturday, May 9 at 8:00 PM in Dalby Hall.
Please see the attached ad for details, and forward this email. Thank you!!

Citizens to Label GE Foods is helping to organize the The Truth in Labeling
Coalition. (TLC). TLC is a group consisting of medical doctors, farmers,
whole food manufacturers and distributors, whole food retailers and coops,
NGO's, and concerned citizens. This group is coming together for the purpose
of passing a law requiring mandatory labeling of laboratory- based genetic
manipulation of our food. We believe members of the public are unwitting
participants in a far-reaching, unregulated human health experiment. Both
government and media funded surveys indicate that 90% of Americans, when
clearly informed, insist on labeling of such substances in their food. In
discussions of this issue, most people are dumfounded to hear that our
Governement is not already requiring such labeling and human health testing,
as well as testing for environmental impact.

The Coalition is utilizing the talent and knowledge of an experienced
lobbying firm in Washington, D.C. comprised of former four-term Congressman
Jim Bates and his partner, Christopher Kip Byrne, former FDIC legal
director.  Both Mr. Bates and Mr. Byrne understand the importance of keeping
genetically engineered contamination out of the organic production chain.
More importantly, they they are experienced professionals who offer a
realistic chance of passing a bill requiring mandatory labeling of
genetically engineered food through Congress.  (see attached bio for more
information)

We are working to expand the coalition and generate the financial support
needed to navigate new labeling legislation through Congress.  Early
supporters include: Derek and Nancy Casady, Ocean Beach People's Organic
Food Coop (with over 10,000 members); Chris Wege, Citizens to Label GE Food,
Andrew Kimbrell, Center for Food Safety; Michael Funk, United Natural Foods
International;  Kathy Larson, Frontier Natural Products Coop;  New Pioneer
Food Coop, Iowa City (over 20,000 active members); Mike Potter, Eden Foods;
and Ronnie Cummins, Organic Consumers Association.

Please come out and show these great leaders how enthusiastic we are about
this critical issue!

Yours truly,
Chris Wege
Anne Dietrich

Citizens to Label Genetically Engineered Food
P.O. Box 1208
Fairfield, Iowa 52556
Web:  www.gmofoodlabel.org  http://www.gmofoodlabel.org
http://www.gmofoodlabel.org 
Phone:  (641) 472-0411
Fax:  (641) 469-5779
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Jefferson County Supervisors Oppose Gay Marriage

[off_world_beings]

Vermont republicans and democrats already passed the right to gay
marriage - and beat down the Republican governer's childish veto, and
they are now focused on more important issues. Vermont is already in a
better position economically due to intelligent decisions of past decade
or more, and now they are focused on the economy and people's quality of
life -- not on pathetic squabbling over such a childish argument.

The rest of the country will eventually follow Vermont's lead. Period.

OffWorld



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , raunchydog raunchy...@...
wrote:

 Fairfield Daily Ledger
 Supervisors call for action on same-sex marriages
 The resolution asks the Legislature to resolve the discrepancy between
the April 3 Iowa Supreme Court ruling and the 1998 Defense of Marriage
Act, which states marriage in Iowa is only between one man and
 By LACEY JACOBS
 Ledger staff writer
 Published:
 Monday, April 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT

 Before the state's Supreme Court ruling legalizing same-sex marriages
took effect this morning, interested residents packed a meeting room in
the Jefferson County Courthouse to hear what the local board of
supervisors had to say about the issue.

 Following a brief discussion, the supervisors unanimously passed a
resolution calling on the Iowa Legislature to pass legislation providing
for a public vote to amend the Iowa Constitution or to pass legislation
conforming Iowa Code to the Supreme Court's ruling.

 I think the Legislature and the governor have really not done their
job. We now have conflicting Supreme Court opinion and law, and I
personally I would like to see the Legislature address the issue,
supervisor Steve Burgmeier said.

 The resolution he drafted Friday was reviewed and amended by the
county attorney and assistant county attorney.

 It may not do what I want it to do, but it does what the county
attorney says I can have it do, and that's important, Burgmeier said.

 Assistant county attorney Pat McAvan said the board has the ability to
lobby the Legislature for action, and it's not uncommon for the board to
do so.

 You're certainly allowed to do this. What you're not allowed to do is
make legislation on this issue, he said.

 Supervisor Dick Reed said certain issues should take into account the
voices of everyone concerned and he supports a public vote on the issue
of same-sex marriage.

 My concern is that the Legislature in this state and the governor in
this state have taken a position where they've stated that because the
court has issued an opinion, that somehow or another that has become the
law of the land. I'm sorry, but I don't accept that premise, supervisor
Lee Dimmitt said.

 For the complete article, see the Monday, April 27, 2009, Fairfield
Ledger.

 http://tinyurl.com/d32gav http://tinyurl.com/d32gav

http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2009/04/27/fairfield_daily_\
ledger/top_stories/doc49f60d0051629780627547.txt
http://goldentrianglenewspapers.com/articles/2009/04/27/fairfield_daily\
_ledger/top_stories/doc49f60d0051629780627547.txt


 • Jefferson County Supervisors this morning unanimously passed a
resolution this morning asking lawmakers to take action against same-sex
marriage.

 We expect the Iowa legislature to resolve the issue, said Stephen
Burgmeier, chairman of the three-member, all-Republican board. We hope
it either leads to a public vote or to a constitutional amendment.

 About 40 people attended the 7:30 a.m. meeting, a meeting that
typically attracts three or four people, Burgmeier said. Almost all at
the meeting were against same-sex marriage, he said. A group of
residents also brought a petition that asks County Recorder Charlotte
Fleig to deny the licenses.

 Fleig acknowledged that she was aware of the petition but hadn't
received it as of 9 a.m. this morning. She said she will issue the
licenses but, as of 9 a.m., no same-sex couples had requested a license
although there was at least one same-sex couple who called to inquire
about the process.

 http://tinyurl.com/coczoh http://tinyurl.com/coczoh

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090427/NEWS/90427010/0/NEWS11
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20090427/NEWS/90427010/0/NEWS1\
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[FairfieldLife] 50 Ways To Kill Your Ego - MonkMojo's 1000 Cuts - Awaken Nondual Zen Enlightenment

[Rick Archer]

http://mojo1000.com/1000cuts/50-ways-to-kill-your-ego.html 

[FairfieldLife] Test your political compass

[raunchydog]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test