[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> So, your guru is the Shankaracharya 
> of Kanchi - I thought so, Vajradhatu.

Isn't it fascinating that the worst thing TBs who 
have done nothing on this forum for years but parrot
stuff told to them by some guru and have shown the 
least capability for independent thought can think
of to demonize someone they don't like with is that
he's under the sway of some guru?  :-)

I mean, it's funny in a way. Willy and Nabby have
*never* been able to do anything but parrot Other
People's Words on this forum, and the worst they
can think of to rank on Vaj or I with is the claim
(mistaken, in both cases) is that we're "Buddhists,"
or that we study with some "guru."

They are in fact trying to insult us by claiming
that we're *just like them*.  :-)  :-)  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Mambo 101

[John]

Don't need to study hard.  Just enjoy the beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgRI1i1QoA&feature=related

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopin's "Fantasie"

[John]

You've done excellent work in researching this clip out of the web.  We don't 
often see how much work is made in preparing for a concert.  This clip shows 
the talent of Yundi Li.

Years ago Seiji Ozawa was the music director of the San Francisco Symphony.  He 
sure gets around these days.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> Superb, thanks!
> 
> If you're interested, here's a six-or-so-minute segment
> from a documentary that was made about him, showing him
> in rehearsal and backstage preparing for his debut with
> the Berlin Philharmonic playing a Shostakovich concerto
> (about as different from the Chopin as can be!). It
> features several extended interactions betwen Li and
> conductor Seiji Ozawa:
> 
> http://www.thestar.com/videozone/346243
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > To All:
> > 
> > Yundi Li, a young classical pianist from China, plays a dreamlike rendition 
> > of this classic piece.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvm2ZsRv3C8&feature=related
> > 
> > JR
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How's MSAE doing?

[dhamiltony2k5]

>
> 
> 
> > 
> > This website may help you. They've helped hundreds of people such as 
> > yourself. Here are the references to the MSAE:
> > 
> > http://tmfree.blogspot.com/
> 
> Om Dear, 
> 
> is a bum steer this gives you.   To those Fallen away meditators who strayed 
> from the path.  Troubled animals & didn't get to the end.   A Disgruntled 
> lot.  Troubled animals.  Non-meditators.  
>

Yup, clearly a troubled and negative down-in-the-mouth type of people on that 
anti-meditation web site.  Pitiable types in life of less than 200 on that 
Power vs. Force David Hawkins scale of consciousness.  Evidently 175 and 
falling on the Map of consciousness logarithmic scale of 1000.

http://consciousnessproject.org/articles/hawkins-map-of-consciousness/




 
> Death, 'tis a melancholy day
> To those who have no transcendence, 
> When the poor soul is forced away
> To seek her last abode.
> 
> In vain to heav'n she lifts her eyes,
> For guilt a heavy chain,
> Still drags her downward from the skies
> To darkness, fire and pain.
>

[FairfieldLife] Time is Come

[dhamiltony2k5]

Tonight: Rain. Low around 36. East wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 
mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a quarter 
and half of an inch possible. 

Thursday: Rain. High near 40. East wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as 
high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a 
half and three quarters of an inch possible. 

Thursday Night: Rain before midnight, then occasional rain, snow, and sleet. 
The rain could be heavy at times. Some thunder is also possible. Low around 30. 
Northeast wind around 15 mph becoming south. Winds could gust as high as 20 
mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow and sleet accumulation of less 
than a half inch possible. 

Christmas Day: Snow. High near 30. Breezy. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New 
snow accumulation of around 1 inch. 

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Saturday: A 40 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a high near 26. 

Saturday Night: A 30 percent chance of snow. Cloudy, with a low around 18. 

Sunday: A slight chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 24. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Vaj wrote:
> 
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda.
> >> > That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't
> >> > really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't.
> >> > Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if
> >> > you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to
> >> > get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of
> >> > Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards.
> >> > 
> >> > I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and
> >> > made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days.
> >> > It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more
> >> > from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits
> >> > or anything else the TMO.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- 
> >> properly, according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will 
> >> have no effect -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not.
> > 
> > 
> > As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were 
> > buggered...
> > As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it 
> > doesn't matter how many Jews were killed...
> > As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how 
> > many boys he's diddled...
> > As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I 
> > eat...
> > As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it 
> > doesn't matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed...
> > As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did...
> > As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't 
> > matter if TM works...
> 
> Dayenu.
> 
> Sal
>

Poor withered souls.

O for a breeze of heav'nly love
To waft my soul away
To that celestial world here,
Where pleasures ne'er decay. 
Eternal Spirit, deign to be
My pilot here below,
To steer thro' life's tempestuous sea,
Where stormy winds do blow.


Get your meditation checked.  Come to meditation.


http://shapenote.net/101t.htm

Best of Wishes for You,
-D in FF

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden

[Sal Sunshine]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Vaj wrote:

> On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda.
>> > That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't
>> > really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't.
>> > Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if
>> > you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to
>> > get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of
>> > Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards.
>> > 
>> > I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and
>> > made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days.
>> > It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more
>> > from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits
>> > or anything else the TMO.
>> >
>> 
>> ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, 
>> according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect 
>> -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not.
> 
> 
> As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were 
> buggered...
> As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it 
> doesn't matter how many Jews were killed...
> As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how 
> many boys he's diddled...
> As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I eat...
> As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it doesn't 
> matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed...
> As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did...
> As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't 
> matter if TM works...

Dayenu.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> As long as I practice the 
> mass, it doesn't matter how 
> many little boys were buggered...
> 
What happened to Osel Tendzin, 
your Vajradhatu guru?

[FairfieldLife] Obama didn't campaign on the public option?

[authfriend]

Any Obamaites want to take a crack at defending Dear 
Leader on this point?

>From an interview published today in the Washington 
Post:

"Obama said the public option 'has become a source of 
ideological contention between the left and right.' 
But, he added, 'I DIDN'T CAMPAIGN ON THE PUBLIC 
OPTION.'" [emphasis added]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/22/AR2009122202101.html?hpid=topnews

http://tinyurl.com/y8k8c8h


>From Obama's campaign statement on health reform to
the Washington Post:

"...My plan will ensure that all Americans have health 
care coverage through their employers, private health 
plans, the federal government, or the states. My plan 
builds on and improves our current insurance system, 
which most Americans continue to rely upon, and creates 
A NEW PUBLIC HEALTH PLAN for those currently without 
coverage. Under my plan, Americans will be able to 
choose to maintain their current coverage if they 
choose to. For those without health insurance I will 
establish A NEW PUBLIC INSURANCE PROGRAM, and provide 
subsides to afford care for those who need them" 
[emphases added]

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/issues/candidates/barack-obama/#health-care

http://tinyurl.com/3n9q7c

The public plan was on his Web site and in his 
healthcare reform white paper; it was in Health Care 
for America Now's list of principles for reform, which 
he publicly endorsed.

It's one thing for him to have campaigned on the public
option and then compromised it away without a fight.

It's quite another for him to *deny that he ever
campaigned on it*.

This isn't just a broken campaign promise. This is a 
flat-out, in-your-face, screw-you lie.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 1957

[dhamiltony2k5]

1968
Maharishi's Year of Students

Students International Meditation Society
is founded in many countries.


>
> 1967
> Maharishi's Year of
> Unity Consciousness
> 
> Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental
> Meditation in terms of Unity Consciousness.
> Maharishi inaugurates the first European Meditation Academy in Bremen, Germany
> > 
> > 
> > 1966
> > Maharishi's Year of
> > Academy of Meditation
> > 
> > In the year of the great "Kumbha Mela" in Allahabad,
> > India, Maharishi inaugurates the first International
> > Academy of Meditation, Shankaracharya Nagar, Rishikesh,
> > India, with the second International Transcendental
> > Meditation Teacher Training Course.
> >  
> > > 
> > > 1965
> > > Maharishi's Year of Bhagavad-Gita
> > > 
> > > Maharishi explains expereiences of 
> > > Transcendental Meditation in terms of
> > > the principle of action: Nishkama karma yog,
> > > yogastah kuru karmani; "Established in Unity, perform action"
> > > -Bhagavad-Gita II 45, and completes his commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita.
> > >  
> > > >
> > > > 1964
> > > > Maharishi's Year of
> > > > God Consciousness
> > > > 
> > > > Maharishi explains experiences of
> > > > Transcendental Meditation in terms
> > > > of the most refined state of Cosmic
> > > > Consciousness -God Consciousness.
> > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1963
> > > > > Maharishi's Year of the 
> > > > > Science of Being and Art of Living
> > > > > 
> > > > > Maharishi presents a profound and practical 
> > > > > philosophy of living for the modern scientific age.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1962
> > > > > > Maharishi's Year of 
> > > > > > Theory of the Absolute
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maharishi brings to light the
> > > > > > Theory of the Absolute and trains
> > > > > > hundreds of Meditation Guides to
> > > > > > help bring the direct experience
> > > > > > of the absolute to people everywhere.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1961
> > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Teacher Training.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Maharishi's inspiration to "multiply himself"
> > > > > > > by training teachers of Transcendental Meditation:
> > > > > > > the first international course is held in Rishikesh,
> > > > > > > India.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1960
> > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Cosmic Consciousness.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Maharishi explains experiences of Transcendental
> > > > > > > > Meditation in terms of Cosmic Consciousness.
> > > > > > > > In London, Maharishi inaugurates his First 
> > > > > > > > Three Year Plan to spiritually regenerate the world.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1959
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Global Awakening
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Maharishi starts to teach Transcendental Meditation
> > > > > > > > > around the world.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1958
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Spiritual Regeneration Movement.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Inspired to raise the quality of life in the world
> > > > > > > > > > through the practice of Transcendental Meditation,
> > > > > > > > > > Maharishi inaugurates the Spiritual Regeneration 
> > > > > > > > > > Movement to spiritually regenerate mankind.
> > > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >1957
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi's Year of Transcendental Meditation
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi evolves a simple, natural practice for the mind 
> > > > > > > > > > > to come to a balanced state, and thereby gain the ability 
> > > > > > > > > > > to spontaneously function in accord with all the laws of 
> > > > > > > > > > > nature.  This was the year of revival of Yog, philosophy 
> > > > > > > > > > > and practice; this was the year of revival of Vedic 
> > > > > > > > > > > wisdom for perfection in life.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> I actually learned the real 
> techniques of samkranti, or 
> transference of consciousness 
> from real, legitimate masters.
> 
Did you ever actually meet the
Swami Rama?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 30th Anniversary Celebrations!

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Two points on this. 
> 1.   The 30th anniversary was actually last summer. I guess the idea
> just came up.
> 2.   None of the people mentioned below have actual Doctorate degrees.
>  
>  


The idea just came up?

Naw,take a look.  He is trying to save his job and his relevance in the middle 
of the TMmovement today.

Look who he's invited to be with him while folks like DLynch, Roth, hagelin and 
others are out on the road teaching meditation. It's the old Bevan gang.   
While the others are out doing the work of the modern TMmovement.

Instead brought and surrounds himself in the charade of the old gang.  Is a 
tough time for him.  Lost his master, lost control of the university board of 
trustees, has to power-share with a bunch of Rajas.  He's likely protecting 
whatever place he's got left with this theatre. What he's got is MUM, hostage.



> Dr. Bevan Morris led the Amherst WPA and spearheaded the move to Fairfield
> and will speak both nights of this two-night celebration
>  
> Speakers include: Mayor Ed Malloy, Dr. Stuart Zimmerman, Dr. Larry Chroman,
> Dr. Douglas Birx, Dr. Fred Gratzon, Dr. Gregg Wilson, Dr. Mario Orsatti, Dr.
> Wally Devasier, Dean Brad Mylett and others.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[WillyTex]

Vaj wrote:
> Fortunately where I lived I also 
> had not only representatives of the 
> Holy Shankaracharya Order
>
So, your guru is the Shankaracharya 
of Kanchi - I thought so, Vajradhatu.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:25 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda.
> > That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't
> > really go into silence. And I found out only today that he didn't.
> > Why is it important that he and those around him lied? Because if
> > you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to
> > get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of
> > Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards.
> > 
> > I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and
> > made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days.
> > It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more
> > from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits
> > or anything else the TMO.
> >
> 
> ...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, 
> according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect 
> -- zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not.


As long as I practice the mass, it doesn't matter how many little boys were 
buggered...
As long as I remain faithful to the Fatherland and the true Nazi party, it 
doesn't matter how many Jews were killed...
As long as I hold Satya Sai Baba's techniques true, it doesn't matter how many 
boys he's diddled...
As long as I maintain a sattvic diet, it doesn't matter how much ghee I eat...
As long as I maintain the purity of the tradition by doing my TM, it doesn't 
matter how many lives the Maharishi destroyed...
As long as I think Guru Dev is my real Guru, I don't care what Mahesh did...
As long as I can take a drugs to help my anxiety and depression, it doesn't 
matter if TM works...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:55 PM, It's just a ride wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Vaj  wrote:
> 
> I learned TM as a young teenager who saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974.
> 
> This explains a lot.  Dyslexic.  Wrote down his mantra after his initiation, 
> read and practiced it ass backwards for years, became disillusioned. 


Actually I found a master, had him instruct me in the actual secrets of the 
mantra, learned how to construct her yantra, do her homa (fire ritual) and took 
the practice as far as I desired to. I made the practice my own.

Nice try though!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Vaj  wrote:

>  I learned TM as a young teenager who saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974.
>

This explains a lot.  Dyslexic.  Wrote down his mantra after his initiation,
read and practiced it ass backwards for years, became disillusioned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:33 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote:
> > 
> > > Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even 
> > > into the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I 
> > > never ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I 
> > > seriously doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was 
> > > wishful thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then 
> > > became a rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the 
> > > TMO this example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about 
> > > what some people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it 
> > > exists in just about any tradition of spiritual growth, including 
> > > Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to 
> > > have a need to "believe in " something, and the possibilties are endless. 
> > 
> > 
> > I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly 
> > after this, it was hasta la vista for me.
> > 
> > I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I 
> > suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard.
> >
> 
> Hah! In a box somewhere.
> 
> Why don't you dig it out and frame it?
> 
> Better yet, once it's framed, why don't you set it up on a puja table, 
> surround it with flowers and incense, and pray to it? After all, that would 
> be the manifestation of your spiritual obsession with the TMO all these years.
> 
> And more honest.


LOL. I actually learned the real techniques of samkranti, or transference of 
consciousness from real, legitimate masters.

I've toyed with the idea of scanning in my Purusha notes, but it would expose 
the person who wrote them and I am not interested in doing that.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 5:29 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

> ...and yet you're the one who has spent, literally, thousands of hours on a 
> forum devoted to the discussion of TM.

This forum is not solely dedicated to the discussion of TM, but to the extent 
that it is, it was helpful in the past to hear some things I hadn't heard, to 
hear from people processing their good or bad experiences, to have many of the 
scandals and abuses revealed, etc. I guess it'd kinda be like being in the 
Catholic church and being on a list where all the dirty secrets were revealed 
and some of the good things as well.

As I've said many times before, I'm more interested in people who were once 
involved with TM, but not necessarily the TMO, who've moved on and grown, and 
how. Since TM was a part of my early life (I learned TM as a young teenager who 
saved his lawn cutting money c. 1974). Fortunately where I lived I also had not 
only representatives of the Holy Shankaracharya Order, but people who knew Guru 
Dev and the intimate realities of mantra-yoga/mantra-shastra. Without those 
touchstones, there could have been the real danger of becoming involved 
seriously in the TMO. But fortunately these other avenues prevented that in a 
positive and constructive way.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>> 
> Screw you asshole.

LOL - this is what Vaj learnt in the "Buddhist" monestaries ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote:
> 
> > Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into 
> > the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never 
> > ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously 
> > doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful 
> > thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a 
> > rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this 
> > example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some 
> > people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just 
> > about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its 
> > branches - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to 
> > "believe in " something, and the possibilties are endless. 
> 
> 
> I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly 
> after this, it was hasta la vista for me.
> 
> I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I 
> suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard.
>


Hah!  In a box somewhere.

Why don't you dig it out and frame it?

Better yet, once it's framed, why don't you set it up on a puja table, surround 
it with flowers and incense, and pray to it?  After all, that would be the 
manifestation of your spiritual obsession with the TMO all these years.

And more honest.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Bhairitu]

PaliGap wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> PaliGap wrote:
>> 
>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
>>> wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 
 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
>   
>   
>> I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
>> is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
>> *stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
>> Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
>> one scene form these films but multiple scenes.
>> 
>> 
> ...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
> AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.
>
>   
>   
>> I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
>> bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.
>> 
>> 
> LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.
>   
>   
 With the amount of violence and action within its chapters, the 
 Mahabharata could be a hit.  When I read the Mahabharata, I remember some 
 political problems due to some improper relationships...(hint...sex 
 scenes).  There is plenty within the book that would be able to keep our 
 little attention spans captivated.  

 seekliberation

 
 
>>> I saw Peter Brook's adaptation on the tele some time
>>> ago. And enjoyed it a lot.
>>>
>>> Here's an excerpt:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY
>>>   
>> Wanna buy the laserdiscs?
>>
>> 
>
> Is the price right?
>
> Then again, is it right to taint scripture with 
> money? Perhaps you should offer them to us for free?

I don't think they're OAR.  The movie was.  If people think Blu-Ray is 
(or was) expensive, laserdiscs were even more so.  Special editions of 
movies could be over $100.  However I bought the Mahabharata at a 
closeout sale for $50.  I believe there is a DVD set too and its 
probably OAR.  The 6 hour version which is a play kinda drags.  Then 
there was the Indian TV series on DVD you may be able to rent at an 
Indian grocery.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:49 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, 
> > > > one that was largely of your own making.
> > > 
> > > Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one.
> > 
> > Actually, yes, you did. It was a creation in your own mind...as well as 
> > those that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult.
> > 
> > You and people like Nabby.
> 
> LOL. That's funny.
> 
> > 
> > > 
> > > > You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes 
> > > > without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't 
> > > > have had much to complain about.
> > > 
> > > And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what 
> > > it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two.
> > > 
> > 
> > Actually, I do. If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a 
> > TM teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much 
> > every experience.
> > 
> > Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do 
> > God knows what.
> > 
> > Off the program. You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program. You 
> > were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM.
> > 
> > Your free choice. Live with it.
> 
> Actually my TM practice was fine. It's just that it got better after I got 
> more skillful instructions.
> 
> And no the canned checking procedure did not work for everybody. Too 
> mechanical. It's one of the big flaws in TM instruction IMO.
> 
> > 
> > > > But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it 
> > > > was just that: a story.
> > > 
> > > The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, 
> > > they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, 
> > > that they were probably lying.
> > > 
> > 
> > Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption 
> > on your part. 
> > 
> > Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed.
> 
> The point is, the core people lacked integrity. It was only a matter of time 
> till (many of us) figured out it was rotten to the core. Even the founder 
> lacked integretity. After that, if you had integretity, IMO, you left. No 
> need to look back or imagine the specialness of TM, the TMSP or the special 
> checking" BS.
> 
> > 
> > > > Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM.
> > > 
> > > Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go 
> > > into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day 
> > > receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only 
> > > a matter of time. Strike three.
> > > 
> > 
> > Listen to you: Maharishi "wrapped like a mummy". You believed that crap?
> 
> The people on purusha didn't use the word mummy, I did. I was some sort of 
> special way he was wrapped.
> 
> > 
> > And kept believing it for HOW long?
> 
> Not for long. It was right before I said "screw this org".
> 
> > 
> > I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, 
> > didn't you Vaj?
> 
> No. I only asked people if they had heard of it. I wondered why I hadn't 
> heard it before, like anyone would. I knew well real yogis could go into such 
> states for as long as they chose, and I'd witnessed such things. I guess it 
> boils down to your own level of experience really. But by the time I'd heard 
> about the level of credibility for both TM and it's org had already run quite 
> thin.
> 
> > 
> > And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that 
> > would get you to heaven like a "get out of jail free" card.
> 
> No, that's not what I wanted.
> 
> > 
> > You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it.
> 
> LOL. Actually, I saw it for what it was and left. Never looked back or ever 
> thought of returning!
> 
> > 
> > Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions? Or is it all the 
> > fault of Daddy?
> 
> Screw you asshole.
>


...and yet you're the one who has spent, literally, thousands of hours on a 
forum devoted to the discussion of TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:54 PM, PaliGap wrote:
>
> > Is the price right?
> >
> > Then again, is it right to taint scripture with
> > money? Perhaps you should offer them to us for free?
>
>
> LOL, given that much of the Mahabharata is purloined from earlier
agamas, I doubt it would matter! Unless you're a devout Vaishnavite that
is...
>


Devout Vaishnavite?

No, I'm an Arsenal supporter

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:54 PM, PaliGap wrote:

> Is the price right?
> 
> Then again, is it right to taint scripture with 
> money? Perhaps you should offer them to us for free?


LOL, given that much of the Mahabharata is purloined from earlier agamas, I 
doubt it would matter! Unless you're a devout Vaishnavite that is...

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:

> I saw Peter Brook's adaptation on the tele some time
> ago. And enjoyed it a lot.
> 
> Here's an excerpt:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY

Oooh, that's intense. Strange, but intense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:

> You're the one that let it affect you because you became
> a cult member, bought into bullshit that had nothing to
> do with TM, and now you've spent the last three decades
> blaming others for your own shortcomings.

Post of the month. Maybe of the year.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:01 PM, wayback71 wrote:

> Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into 
> the 80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never 
> ever heard anything like what you believed and describe above. I seriously 
> doubt that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable. Maybe it was wishful 
> thinking or fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a 
> rumor that spread. Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this 
> example says nothing about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some 
> people believed. This kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just 
> about any tradition of spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches 
> - and in their followers. We humans seem to have a need to "believe in " 
> something, and the possibilties are endless. 


I had heard it from someone on Purusha who I respected at the time. Shortly 
after this, it was hasta la vista for me.

I actually have this in a box somewhere, in letter form, from an insider. I 
suspect a LOT of what I'd heard most have never heard.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 3:49 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > 
> > > Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, 
> > > one that was largely of your own making.
> > 
> > Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one.
> 
> Actually, yes, you did. It was a creation in your own mind...as well as those 
> that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult.
> 
> You and people like Nabby.

LOL. That's funny.

> 
> > 
> > > You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes 
> > > without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't 
> > > have had much to complain about.
> > 
> > And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what 
> > it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two.
> > 
> 
> Actually, I do. If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a TM 
> teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much every 
> experience.
> 
> Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do 
> God knows what.
> 
> Off the program. You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program. You 
> were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM.
> 
> Your free choice. Live with it.

Actually my TM practice was fine. It's just that it got better after I got more 
skillful instructions.

And no the canned checking procedure did not work for everybody. Too 
mechanical. It's one of the big flaws in TM instruction IMO.

> 
> > > But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it 
> > > was just that: a story.
> > 
> > The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this, 
> > they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now, 
> > that they were probably lying.
> > 
> 
> Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption 
> on your part. 
> 
> Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed.

The point is, the core people lacked integrity. It was only a matter of time 
till (many of us) figured out it was rotten to the core. Even the founder 
lacked integretity. After that, if you had integretity, IMO, you left. No need 
to look back or imagine the specialness of TM, the TMSP or the special 
checking" BS.

> 
> > > Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM.
> > 
> > Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go 
> > into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day 
> > receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only 
> > a matter of time. Strike three.
> > 
> 
> Listen to you: Maharishi "wrapped like a mummy". You believed that crap?

The people on purusha didn't use the word mummy, I did. I was some sort of 
special way he was wrapped.

> 
> And kept believing it for HOW long?

Not for long. It was right before I said "screw this org".

> 
> I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, 
> didn't you Vaj?

No. I only asked people if they had heard of it. I wondered why I hadn't heard 
it before, like anyone would. I knew well real yogis could go into such states 
for as long as they chose, and I'd witnessed such things. I guess it boils down 
to your own level of experience really. But by the time I'd heard about the 
level of credibility for both TM and it's org had already run quite thin.

> 
> And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that 
> would get you to heaven like a "get out of jail free" card.

No, that's not what I wanted.

> 
> You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it.

LOL. Actually, I saw it for what it was and left. Never looked back or ever 
thought of returning!

> 
> Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions? Or is it all the 
> fault of Daddy?

Screw you asshole.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Rick Archer]

I just received this note from an old friend who was Maharishi's personal
secretary in the mid-70's. I trust his recollection of his direct experience
more than I trust mine of a 2nd hand account heard in the same time period.
 
greetings rick,
  
MMY took only water while in silence,
 
when he opened the door,
 
all was golden...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[It's just a ride]

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rick Archer  wrote:

>
> One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on
> stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room
> several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan
> seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume
> speaking at a normal volume.
>
>
So, Rick, the think about Maharishi going into silence for something like 11
days carrying only a glass of water was yet another legend made up to puff
up us civilians' awe of Maharishi.  What'd he do with the glass of water he
carried into silence with him?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence isn't golden

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "It's just a ride" 
 wrote:
>
> I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda.
> That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't
> really go into silence.  And I found out only today that he didn't.
> Why is it important that he and those around him lied?  Because if
> you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to
> get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of
> Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards.
> 
> I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and
> made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days.
> It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more
> from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits
> or anything else the TMO.
>


...and as long as the continue to do the TM Program twice a day -- properly, 
according to the instructions -- all this other bullshit will have no effect -- 
zero, zippo -- on whether the technique works or not.

[FairfieldLife] Silence isn't golden

[It's just a ride]

I have about as much love for Vaj as I have for, say, The Gay Agenda.
That said, I think it's very important to know that Maharishi didn't
really go into silence.  And I found out only today that he didn't.
Why is it important that he and those around him lied?  Because if
you're going to lie about this, you're going to lie about how long to
get to Enlightenment, the useness of the pandits in VC, the power of
Invincible America, the Maharishi Effect, the whole 9 yards.

I am saddened to find out that Maharishi and those around him lied and
made a big charade about his going into silence for all those days.
It tells me increasingly that I should divorce myself more and more
from anything TMO and any friends who are sold out to IA, the pandits
or anything else the TMO.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and  
> > worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I  
> > was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at  
> > the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him  
> > a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume.
> >
> 
> Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories.
> 
> My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- 
> as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- 
> controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he  
> entered a "continuum of silence" for days and days. Of course this  
> was back when I really fell for the "silence" polarity thing. Imagine  
> my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did  
> this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting  
> the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy.
>

Vaj, I was REALLY involved in the TMO all through the 1970's and even into the 
80's and early 90's, altho not teaching full time by then, and I never ever 
heard anything like what you believed and describe above.  I seriously doubt 
that came from the TMO, or anyone reliable.  Maybe it was wishful thinking or 
fantasy on the part of some True Believers and then became a rumor that spread. 
 Whatever else you may think about MMY and the TMO this example says nothing 
about Maharishi and the TMO, but only about what some people believed.  This 
kind of rumor and vulnerabiity to it exists in just about any tradition of 
spiritual growth, including Buddhism and its branches - and in their followers. 
 We humans seem to have a need to "believe in " something, and the possibilties 
are endless.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> PaliGap wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> > wrote:
> >   
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   
>  I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
>  is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
>  *stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
>  Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
>  one scene form these films but multiple scenes.
>  
> >>> ...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
> >>> AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.
> >>>
> >>>   
>  I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
>  bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.
>  
> >>> LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.
> >>>   
> >> With the amount of violence and action within its chapters, the 
> >> Mahabharata could be a hit.  When I read the Mahabharata, I remember some 
> >> political problems due to some improper relationships...(hint...sex 
> >> scenes).  There is plenty within the book that would be able to keep our 
> >> little attention spans captivated.  
> >>
> >> seekliberation
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > I saw Peter Brook's adaptation on the tele some time
> > ago. And enjoyed it a lot.
> >
> > Here's an excerpt:
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY
> 
> Wanna buy the laserdiscs?
>

Is the price right?

Then again, is it right to taint scripture with 
money? Perhaps you should offer them to us for free?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL owns pets? Time to kill Fido

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> As we only have a little cat - I would be happy
> to sell carbon credits to any FFL dog owners. Perhaps
> this *climate change* thing might have a silver lining?


WHAT A GREAT IDEA!

Yes, you alarmists on FFL...would you like some Brooklyn Bridge Brand carbon 
credits?

I'd be more than happy to sell them to you!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> 
> > Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult,  
> > one that was largely of your own making.
> 
> Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one.



Actually, yes, you did.  It was a creation in your own mind...as well as those 
that insisted upon making the organisation surrounding TM a cult.

You and people like Nabby.


> 
> > You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes  
> > without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't  
> > have had much to complain about.
> 
> And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what  
> it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two.
> 



Actually, I do.  If you did only TM twice a day and did it properly, I as a TM 
teacher had instructions for you that would have dealt with pretty much every 
experience.

Instead, you chose to go the route of cult member and joined the TMO to do God 
knows what.

Off the program.  You were doing something but it wasn't the TM Program.  You 
were doing Cult TM or Guru TM, but not TM.

Your free choice.  Live with it.



> > But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it  
> > was just that: a story.
> 
> The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this,  
> they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now,  
> that they were probably lying.
> 


Wrong assumption. But thank you for acknowledging that it was an assumption on 
your part.  

Congratulations, Vaj, you are on the first step towards being deprogrammed.



> > Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM.
> 
> Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go  
> into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day  
> receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only  
> a matter of time. Strike three.
> 



Listen to you: Maharishi "wrapped like a mummy".  You believed that crap?

And kept believing it for HOW long?

I'll bet you even perpetuated the lie by telling OTHERS the same story, didn't 
you Vaj?

And you wanted some sort of shortcut, some sort of special technique that would 
get you to heaven like a "get out of jail free" card.

You, my friend, created a cult in your mind and then you joined it.

Do you not take ANY responsibility for your own actions?  Or is it all the 
fault of Daddy?




> > Thirdly, when you found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a  
> > reflection on TM,
> 
> Well, duh, if it's a lie, then TM probably ain't as good as I was  
> lead to believe. What a let down!
> 



Well, duh, if it didn't come out as "official" info or declaration from the TMO 
(being put in writing would have been a hint) you can't blame the TMO or 
Maharishi.

Please.  Get real.

Are you one of the birthers or people that believe Barack Obama is a Muslim?  
After all, people are SAYING it, so it MUST be true, no?



> > the TMO,
> 
> The TMO FOSTERED and encouraged such lies, willfully. Strike four.
> 



Bullshit.

Cult members and BELIEVERS fostered and encouraged such lies.  Like I wrote 
above, I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that you, too, perpetuated and retold 
the "mummy" story.

Indeed, you're retelling it here on this forum DECADES after you first heard 
it...do you honestly want us to believe you never repeated it in the days in 
which you yourself have admitted to believing the story?

Look in the fucking mirror


> > or Maharishi
> 
> If Marshy couldn't do it, he was just a fake too. Heck the guy wasn't  
> even in silence. Just another lie he helped foster. He was just  
> working on business matters as usual! Strike five, get back in the  
> dugout with your inflatable doll already!
>


Maharishi in or out of silence shouldn't, wouldn't, and couldn't affect one 
iota of one second of your daily TM practise.

You're the one that let it affect you because you became a cult member, bought 
into bullshit that had nothing to do with TM, and now you've spent the last 
three decades blaming others for your own shortcomings.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Bhairitu]

PaliGap wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
> wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>>>
>>>   
 I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
 is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
 *stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
 Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
 one scene form these films but multiple scenes.
 
>>> ...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
>>> AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.
>>>
>>>   
 I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
 bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.
 
>>> LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.
>>>   
>> With the amount of violence and action within its chapters, the Mahabharata 
>> could be a hit.  When I read the Mahabharata, I remember some political 
>> problems due to some improper relationships...(hint...sex scenes).  There is 
>> plenty within the book that would be able to keep our little attention spans 
>> captivated.  
>>
>> seekliberation
>>
>> 
>
> I saw Peter Brook's adaptation on the tele some time
> ago. And enjoyed it a lot.
>
> Here's an excerpt:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY

Wanna buy the laserdiscs?

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> > 
> > > I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
> > > is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
> > > *stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
> > > Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
> > > one scene form these films but multiple scenes.
> > 
> > 
> > ...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
> > AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.
> > 
> > > I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
> > > bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.
> > 
> > LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.
> 
> 
> With the amount of violence and action within its chapters, the Mahabharata 
> could be a hit.  When I read the Mahabharata, I remember some political 
> problems due to some improper relationships...(hint...sex scenes).  There is 
> plenty within the book that would be able to keep our little attention spans 
> captivated.  
> 
> seekliberation
>

I saw Peter Brook's adaptation on the tele some time
ago. And enjoyed it a lot.

Here's an excerpt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B4Z1PB97KY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 2:37 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:

Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult,  
one that was largely of your own making.


Oh? I created the TMO? Strike one.

You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a day for 15 minutes  
without getting involved in the TMO. And guess what? You wouldn't  
have had much to complain about.


And you are omniscient, so you know what my experience was and what  
it would be? You suck as a mind reader Shemp. Strike Two.


But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it  
was just that: a story.


The assumption at the time was: if someone on Purusha told you this,  
they had the inside scoop. I did not assume then, like I would now,  
that they were probably lying.



Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM.


Of course it did. If Maharishi could be wrapped like a mummy and go  
into a continuum a silence, i, his humble student would one day  
receive the SPECIAL technique and be able to do the same. It was only  
a matter of time. Strike three.


Thirdly, when you found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a  
reflection on TM,


Well, duh, if it's a lie, then TM probably ain't as good as I was  
lead to believe. What a let down!



the TMO,


The TMO FOSTERED and encouraged such lies, willfully. Strike four.


or Maharishi


If Marshy couldn't do it, he was just a fake too. Heck the guy wasn't  
even in silence. Just another lie he helped foster. He was just  
working on business matters as usual! Strike five, get back in the  
dugout with your inflatable doll already!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and  
> > worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I  
> > was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at  
> > the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him  
> > a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume.
> >
> 
> Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories.
> 
> My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- 
> as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- 
> controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he  
> entered a "continuum of silence" for days and days. Of course this  
> was back when I really fell for the "silence" polarity thing. Imagine  
> my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did  
> this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting  
> the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy.
>

Chalk that up, Vaj, as another reason to hate TM, the TMO, and Maharishi!

Oh, the injustice done to you, Vaj, that you carry around as a weight around 
your neck.

Consciously and with full free choice you decided to join a cult, one that was 
largely of your own making.  You could have stuck with just doing TM twice a 
day for 15 minutes without getting involved in the TMO.  And guess what?  You 
wouldn't have had much to complain about.

But the above story-telling you engage in reveals much: firstly, it was just 
that: a story.  Secondly, it had nothing to do with TM.  Thirdly, when you 
found out it wasn't true, how the hell was that a reflection on TM, the TMO, or 
Maharishi when it was some cult member who told it to you and you -- who at the 
time was obviously steeped in the cult out of your own choosing -- chose to 
believe it. Fourthly, you then tell us it wasn't true to begin with...and that 
this is somehow demonstrating to everyone how morally corrupt the TMO is.

Sorry but you make little sense.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brittany Murphy

[Bhairitu]

The Sun is debilitated so I don't think  Leo.  More likely Libra.  Venus 
is very strong in her chart with Libra.

John wrote:
> Gull,
>
> Thanks for the information.  I need to verify her birth time to see if it 
> applies to her life.  Tentatively, my program casted her horoscope as a Leo 
> ascendant.  By her physical features, she appears to have a lioness aura 
> about her--much like Charlize Theron.  So, the birth time may be correct.
>
> I'll post my jyotish analysis as soon as I verify some of her actual life 
> details in the chart.
>
> JR
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
>   
>>  
>> This gives some details, but not the birth time:
>>  
>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005261/bio
>>  
>> A search on "brittany murphy astrology" gives lots of hits, but only one 
>> which lists a time. 
>>  
>> This link below is the one which gives the time. Scroll down to the post 
>> with the large, amazing pic of her. The birth day and place matches IMDB, 
>> but note that the birth date given in the post is in the European format of 
>> dd/mm/yy: 
>>  
>> http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176385
>>  
>> Don't know if you do jyotish at all, but if I did I would certainly start 
>> with the birth time listed in the last link and seeing if it makes any sense.
>>  
>> Maybe more searching will confirm the birth time.
>>
>>
>> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
>> love." 
>>  
>> - Amma  
>>
>> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, John  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: John 
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brittany Murphy
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 1:36 AM
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know the birth data of Ms. Murphy?  She left this world rather 
>> too soon.  May she rest in peace.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> To subscribe, send a message to:
>> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>>
>> Or go to: 
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
>> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> 
>
>
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > This sounds dated...
> > 
> Apparently all the Dravidian ethnic groups are Caucasian.
> Tamils etc, are not a distinct race. The Tamil language
> is probably derived from Archaic Sanskrit, according to 
> David Frawley. Frawley thinks the Sanskrit speakers spread 
> out to Iran, Europe and to the Scandinavian countries.
> 
> Could Frawley amd Vaj be right, that prehistorical farmers 
> in Tamilnadu have diffused their agricultural and linguistic 
> lifestyle throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe, 
> instead of the other way around?>>

It is now accepted fact that the Indus Valley Civilization stretched in all 
directions including the Middle East, AT LEAST as far as Baghdad. Going North, 
South, East and West from Indus Valley would certainly mean a pretty unified 
language throughout. It is just the language of Man. Just like Killer Whales 
speak different dialects of "Killer Whale" language in different parts of the 
Globe. It is still the natural base underlying those dialects. In the same way 
there is very little difference between English and Chinese and Sanskrit and 
Tamil and Dravidian. They are all just dialects of the same language.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and  
worked on stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I  
was in the room several times when he came out of silence, and at  
the time, his darshan seemed much more profound to me. It took him  
a couple of days to resume speaking at a normal volume.




Yeah, I'm sure many of us heard many different stories.

My favorite, and one that helped sustain my own illusion of Maharishi- 
as-yogi was the story that he went into a darkened, temperature- 
controlled room and was ritually wrapped in some cloth, and that he  
entered a "continuum of silence" for days and days. Of course this  
was back when I really fell for the "silence" polarity thing. Imagine  
my disappointment when I found out it wasn't true! (well maybe he did  
this at one time, but not from what I've heard!). It's interesting  
the myths that are woven to preserve the fantasy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[seekliberation]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> 
> > I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
> > is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
> > *stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
> > Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
> > one scene form these films but multiple scenes.
> 
> 
> ...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
> AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.
> 
> > I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
> > bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.
> 
> LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.


With the amount of violence and action within its chapters, the Mahabharata 
could be a hit.  When I read the Mahabharata, I remember some political 
problems due to some improper relationships...(hint...sex scenes).  There is 
plenty within the book that would be able to keep our little attention spans 
captivated.  

seekliberation 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Vaj
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:27 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
>  
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> --- In  
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > "Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence
> > shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is
> > Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is
> > Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest.
> > Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition.
> > Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence
> > perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment.
> > Silence alone is."
> >
> > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Vaj: He just held private meetings instead of more public ones!
>  
> One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on
> stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room
> several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan
> seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume
> speaking at a normal volume.

Thanks for correcting this Vaj character Rick. But it won't stop him, in a day 
or two he will post new lies.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: f...@% "Kumbayah"

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes, but in every primitive society, and all societies, there were
> > Shaman who lived on the outskirts, living a life of oneness with
nature,
> > no real need to rely on the society for survival, and entering into
a
> > spiritual dialog with the larger consciousness of Nature (and they
often
> > lived well into their nineties, if they were not in wars.) They saw
a
> > deeper truth, outside of the "one-lifers", and it is their wisdom
from
> > around the world that modern man can learn from., and that are being
> > focused on in those ads etc.
> >
> > Your alternative is to say that there is no wisdom in Man. It is a
> > possiblity, but that view has no legs to walk on. This blog you
quoted
> > shows ignorance of the right-wing mind-set.
>
>
>
>
>
> I totally agree with you about the Shaman and everything else.
>
> What I object to is the blind belief that native Americans as a whole
were somehow better stewards of the environment, which they were not.>>

Yes, people are the same worldwide. Only a few hippy chics still believe
that Native Americans were not just like everyone else.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: $3 billion prediction

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll see it several times. Now that I've seen it
> > > > in English and know the dialog, I'll see it in
> > > > Spanish just to watch it on a big screen. Then,
> > > > when it finally comes to the IMAX theatre in
> > > > Barcelona, I'll see it again there to see it
> > > > in 3D. Probably multiple times.
> > >
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > One of the reasons Titanic made the nearly $2 billion in worldwide
box
> > office is that teenage girls went to see it multiple times.>
> >
> > I heard of one woman that saw it 25 times ! ! No kidding.
> >
> > > It's pretty obvious that Avatar is shaping up as the same sort of
> > phenomenon with the following difference: the "repeat" demographic
is
> > probably, for the first time in cinematic history, going to be
ACROSS
> > THE BOARD. That is, EVERYONE regardless of age and gender is going
to go
> > see this thing more than once.>>
> >
> > So is there a hot new chic or dude in it? If not, why do you think
> > people will watch it 10 times or more? (I haven't seen it, its not
my
> > cup of tea, seems more targeted at the lowest common denominator in
> > society ;-)
> >
> > A socialist equality for Ja Ja Binks et al, it sounds like - not
usually
> > your kind of politics Shemp?
> >
> > > PREDICTION: Avatar will not only gross $3 billion in worldwide box
> > office it will do it faster than the previous box office winner in
real
> > dollars -- Titanic -- did it getting to $2 billion and faster than
the
> > all-time winner in "adjusted for inflation" dollars -- Gone with the
> > wind -- did it getting to its total.>
> >
> > How much is 2 billion dollars in todays money 10-12 years later?
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>
> The inflation calculator at http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ says:
>
> What cost $20 in 1997 would cost $2672500089.36 in 2008.
> Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2008 and 1997,
> they would cost you $20 and $1527631705.78 respectively.
>


Cool Calculator -- bookmarked.

PS. The Lord of the Rings Trilogy -- which took half as long to make as
Avatar grossed almost 3 billion worldwide.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Report Finds Acorn Broke No Laws

[do.rflex]

"A Congressional Research Service report commissioned by the House Judiciary 
Committee says ACORN hasn't violated any federal regulations the last five 
years," Politico reports.

The report also found "that the undercover filmmakers that allegedly caught 
employees" of the organization "breaking the law may have violated state law in 
their filming operation."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30919.html 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:45 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:
> 
> > Wa.
> >
> > Is Bawwy cwying again?
> >
> > Is Judy beating up on the poor baby...AGAIN?
> >
> > All poor Bawwy is doing is "tripping" and "rapping" yet the evil  
> > She-Devils unjustifiably come down -- bang! bang! -- upon his head.
> 
> 
> Is Shemp trying to sidetrack the conversation to hide the fact he's  
> commenting about a movie he's not even seen yet?
> 
> You're starting to sound like Judy Shemp...not a good sign. You used  
> to be such an honest fellar!
>

Where exactly did I comment on the movie other than on stuff that was either 
ancillary to the movie (such as box office) or other movies the director has 
done?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:45 PM, ShempMcGurk wrote:


Wa.

Is Bawwy cwying again?

Is Judy beating up on the poor baby...AGAIN?

All poor Bawwy is doing is "tripping" and "rapping" yet the evil  
She-Devils unjustifiably come down -- bang! bang! -- upon his head.



Is Shemp trying to sidetrack the conversation to hide the fact he's  
commenting about a movie he's not even seen yet?


You're starting to sound like Judy Shemp...not a good sign. You used  
to be such an honest fellar!

[FairfieldLife] Re: How do I know China wrecked Copehagen? I was there.

[ShempMcGurk]

When I read the title to this thread and saw that Barry was the author, I 
automatically assumed that our resident Zelig was not only going to claim that 
he himself was personally at Copenhagen but had actually attempted to broker 
the deal...and he was going to blame China for stepping on his, Barry's, toes.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the roomby
> Mark Lynus, in The Guardian
> 
> Copenhagen was a disaster. That much is agreed. But the truth about what
> actually happened is in danger of being lost amid the spin and
> inevitable mutual recriminations. The truth is this: China
>   wrecked the talks,
> intentionally humiliated Barack Obama, and insisted on an awful "deal"
> so western leaders would walk away carrying the blame. How do I know
> this? Because I was in the room and saw it happen.
> China's strategy was simple: block the open negotiations for two weeks,
> and then ensure that the closed-door deal made it look as if the west
> had failed the world's poor once again. And sure enough, the aid
> agencies, civil society movements and environmental groups all took the
> bait. The failure was "the inevitable result of rich countries refusing
> adequately and fairly to shoulder their overwhelming responsibility",
> said Christian Aid. "Rich countries have bullied developing nations,"
> fumed Friends of the Earth International.
> 
> All very predictable, but the complete opposite of the truth. Even
> George Monbiot, writing in yesterday's Guardian, made the mistake of
> singly blaming Obama. But I saw Obama fighting desperately to salvage a
> deal, and the Chinese delegate saying "no", over and over again. Monbiot
> even approvingly quoted the Sudanese delegate Lumumba Di-Aping, who
> denounced the Copenhagen accord as "a suicide pact, an incineration
> pact, in order to maintain the economic dominance of a few countries".
> 
> Sudan behaves at the talks as a puppet of China; one of a number of
> countries that relieves the Chinese delegation of having to fight its
> battles in open sessions. It was a perfect stitch-up. China gutted the
> deal behind the scenes, and then left its proxies to savage it in
> public.
> 
> Here's what actually went on late last Friday night, as heads of state
> from two dozen countries met behind closed doors. Obama was at the table
> for several hours, sitting between Gordon Brown and the Ethiopian prime
> minister, Meles Zenawi. The Danish prime minister chaired, and on his
> right sat Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the UN. Probably only about
> 50 or 60 people, including the heads of state, were in the room. I was
> attached to one of the delegations, whose head of state was also present
> for most of the time.
> 
> What I saw was profoundly shocking. The Chinese premier, Wen Jinbao, did
> not deign to attend the meetings personally, instead sending a
> second-tier official in the country's foreign ministry to sit opposite
> Obama himself. The diplomatic snub was obvious and brutal, as was the
> practical implication: several times during the session, the world's
> most powerful heads of state were forced to wait around as the Chinese
> delegate went off to make telephone calls to his "superiors".
> 
> Shifting the blame
> 
> To those who would blame Obama and rich countries in general, know this:
> it was China's representative who insisted that industrialised country
> targets, previously agreed as an 80% cut by 2050, be taken out of the
> deal. "Why can't we even mention our own targets?" demanded a furious
> Angela Merkel. Australia's prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was annoyed
> enough to bang his microphone. Brazil's representative too pointed out
> the illogicality of China's position. Why should rich countries not
> announce even this unilateral cut? The Chinese delegate said no, and I
> watched, aghast, as Merkel threw up her hands in despair and conceded
> the point. Now we know why – because China bet, correctly, that
> Obama would get the blame for the Copenhagen accord's lack of ambition.
> 
> China, backed at times by India, then proceeded to take out all the
> numbers that mattered. A 2020 peaking year in global emissions,
> essential to restrain temperatures to 2C, was removed and replaced by
> woolly language suggesting that emissions should peak "as soon as
> possible". The long-term target, of global 50% cuts by 2050, was also
> excised. No one else, perhaps with the exceptions of India and Saudi
> Arabia, wanted this to happen. I am certain that had the Chinese not
> been in the room, we would have left Copenhagen with a deal that had
> environmentalists popping champagne corks popping in every corner of the
> world.
> 
> Strong position
> 
> So how did China manage to pull off this coup? First, it was in an
> extremely strong negotiating position. China didn't need a deal. As one
> developing country foreign minister sai

[FairfieldLife] How do I know China wrecked Copehagen? I was there.

[TurquoiseB]

How do I know China wrecked the Copenhagen deal? I was in the roomby
Mark Lynus, in The Guardian

Copenhagen was a disaster. That much is agreed. But the truth about what
actually happened is in danger of being lost amid the spin and
inevitable mutual recriminations. The truth is this: China
  wrecked the talks,
intentionally humiliated Barack Obama, and insisted on an awful "deal"
so western leaders would walk away carrying the blame. How do I know
this? Because I was in the room and saw it happen.
China's strategy was simple: block the open negotiations for two weeks,
and then ensure that the closed-door deal made it look as if the west
had failed the world's poor once again. And sure enough, the aid
agencies, civil society movements and environmental groups all took the
bait. The failure was "the inevitable result of rich countries refusing
adequately and fairly to shoulder their overwhelming responsibility",
said Christian Aid. "Rich countries have bullied developing nations,"
fumed Friends of the Earth International.

All very predictable, but the complete opposite of the truth. Even
George Monbiot, writing in yesterday's Guardian, made the mistake of
singly blaming Obama. But I saw Obama fighting desperately to salvage a
deal, and the Chinese delegate saying "no", over and over again. Monbiot
even approvingly quoted the Sudanese delegate Lumumba Di-Aping, who
denounced the Copenhagen accord as "a suicide pact, an incineration
pact, in order to maintain the economic dominance of a few countries".

Sudan behaves at the talks as a puppet of China; one of a number of
countries that relieves the Chinese delegation of having to fight its
battles in open sessions. It was a perfect stitch-up. China gutted the
deal behind the scenes, and then left its proxies to savage it in
public.

Here's what actually went on late last Friday night, as heads of state
from two dozen countries met behind closed doors. Obama was at the table
for several hours, sitting between Gordon Brown and the Ethiopian prime
minister, Meles Zenawi. The Danish prime minister chaired, and on his
right sat Ban Ki-moon, secretary-general of the UN. Probably only about
50 or 60 people, including the heads of state, were in the room. I was
attached to one of the delegations, whose head of state was also present
for most of the time.

What I saw was profoundly shocking. The Chinese premier, Wen Jinbao, did
not deign to attend the meetings personally, instead sending a
second-tier official in the country's foreign ministry to sit opposite
Obama himself. The diplomatic snub was obvious and brutal, as was the
practical implication: several times during the session, the world's
most powerful heads of state were forced to wait around as the Chinese
delegate went off to make telephone calls to his "superiors".

Shifting the blame

To those who would blame Obama and rich countries in general, know this:
it was China's representative who insisted that industrialised country
targets, previously agreed as an 80% cut by 2050, be taken out of the
deal. "Why can't we even mention our own targets?" demanded a furious
Angela Merkel. Australia's prime minister, Kevin Rudd, was annoyed
enough to bang his microphone. Brazil's representative too pointed out
the illogicality of China's position. Why should rich countries not
announce even this unilateral cut? The Chinese delegate said no, and I
watched, aghast, as Merkel threw up her hands in despair and conceded
the point. Now we know why – because China bet, correctly, that
Obama would get the blame for the Copenhagen accord's lack of ambition.

China, backed at times by India, then proceeded to take out all the
numbers that mattered. A 2020 peaking year in global emissions,
essential to restrain temperatures to 2C, was removed and replaced by
woolly language suggesting that emissions should peak "as soon as
possible". The long-term target, of global 50% cuts by 2050, was also
excised. No one else, perhaps with the exceptions of India and Saudi
Arabia, wanted this to happen. I am certain that had the Chinese not
been in the room, we would have left Copenhagen with a deal that had
environmentalists popping champagne corks popping in every corner of the
world.

Strong position

So how did China manage to pull off this coup? First, it was in an
extremely strong negotiating position. China didn't need a deal. As one
developing country foreign minister said to me: "The Athenians had
nothing to offer to the Spartans." On the other hand, western leaders in
particular – but also presidents Lula of Brazil, Zuma of South
Africa, Calderón of Mexico and many others – were desperate for a
positive outcome. Obama needed a strong deal perhaps more than anyone.
The US had confirmed the offer of $100bn to developing countries for
adaptation, put serious cuts on the table for the first time (17% below
2005 levels by 2020), and was obviously prepared to up its offer.

Above all, Obama needed t

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Vaj
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:27 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence
 
On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:



--- In  
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence
> shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is
> Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is
> Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest.
> Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition.
> Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence
> perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment.
> Silence alone is."
>
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

I think he forgot "Silence writing me a check is all that matters."
 
 
How about "silence is a dead rishi." :-)
 
Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed that those drama-laden
"silences" that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't actually
that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of more public ones!
 
One of his personal secretaries once told me that MMY ate and worked on
stuff during those silences, but that he did so alone. I was in the room
several times when he came out of silence, and at the time, his darshan
seemed much more profound to me. It took him a couple of days to resume
speaking at a normal volume.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Catapocalypse

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:

> About two hours later I came back and the rabbit was lying
> there dead.  No blood or marks on him.  So I assume that he
> died of a heart attack...perhaps because the suddenness and
> noise of the engine being turned on.

If it didn't bolt the instant you turned on the engine,
and just sat there shivering, it sounds as though it
might have been very sick to start with. I'd be surprised
if a healthy rabbit would hide under a car.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The movie certainly has made a BIG impression on Turq.  
> > Line on sand? Or maybe cement.
> 
> It seems to have made an equally BIG impression
> on at least three posters WHO HAVE NOT SEEN
> THE MOVIE but have used my interest in the
> flick as an opportunity to dump on me.

What made an impression was how Barry used his
interest in the flick to dump (in advance, yet)
on anybody who didn't like it as much as he did.

 Is 
> *everyone* signing up for the Judy Stein I Don't 
> Have To See A Movie To Know Everything About It 
> Club?  :-)

Poor Barry. I haven't said Word One about the film.
His paranoid delusions are really getting out of
hand.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > The movie certainly has made a BIG impression on Turq.  
> > Line on sand? Or maybe cement.
> 
> It seems to have made an equally BIG impression
> on at least three posters WHO HAVE NOT SEEN
> THE MOVIE but have used my interest in the
> flick as an opportunity to dump on me.




Wa.

Is Bawwy cwying again?

Is Judy beating up on the poor baby...AGAIN?

All poor Bawwy is doing is "tripping" and "rapping" yet the evil She-Devils 
unjustifiably come down -- bang! bang! -- upon his head.







> Is 
> *everyone* signing up for the Judy Stein I Don't 
> Have To See A Movie To Know Everything About It 
> Club?  :-)
> 
> Truth be told, I've just been having fun trip-
> ping on the movie. It's so rare for me to find
> a film that has any *ideas* in it that I like
> tripping on those ideas when they show up. 
> Besides, this one had the advantage of me know-
> ing that me showing interest in it would draw 
> out all the egocrazies and make them sputter. :-)
> 
> No, it's not the Second Coming. But it's an 
> interesting movie that will touch more people's 
> lives that you will touch in all of your incar-
> nations combined. Mine too, but at least I know
> that. :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>   
>> The movie certainly has made a BIG impression on Turq.  
>> Line on sand? Or maybe cement.
>> 
>
> It seems to have made an equally BIG impression
> on at least three posters WHO HAVE NOT SEEN
> THE MOVIE but have used my interest in the
> flick as an opportunity to dump on me. Is 
> *everyone* signing up for the Judy Stein I Don't 
> Have To See A Movie To Know Everything About It 
> Club?  :-)
>
> Truth be told, I've just been having fun trip-
> ping on the movie. It's so rare for me to find
> a film that has any *ideas* in it that I like
> tripping on those ideas when they show up. 
> Besides, this one had the advantage of me know-
> ing that me showing interest in it would draw 
> out all the egocrazies and make them sputter. :-)
>
> No, it's not the Second Coming. But it's an 
> interesting movie that will touch more people's 
> lives that you will touch in all of your incar-
> nations combined. Mine too, but at least I know
> that. :-)

But I'm amazed that you would Cameron, who's very narcissistic,  in such 
high esteem.  If he goes running around saying "I'm king of the world" 
one more time

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Chopin's "Fantasie"

[authfriend]

Superb, thanks!

If you're interested, here's a six-or-so-minute segment
from a documentary that was made about him, showing him
in rehearsal and backstage preparing for his debut with
the Berlin Philharmonic playing a Shostakovich concerto
(about as different from the Chopin as can be!). It
features several extended interactions betwen Li and
conductor Seiji Ozawa:

http://www.thestar.com/videozone/346243



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> To All:
> 
> Yundi Li, a young classical pianist from China, plays a dreamlike rendition 
> of this classic piece.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvm2ZsRv3C8&feature=related
> 
> JR
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The movie certainly has made a BIG impression on Turq.  
> Line on sand? Or maybe cement.

It seems to have made an equally BIG impression
on at least three posters WHO HAVE NOT SEEN
THE MOVIE but have used my interest in the
flick as an opportunity to dump on me. Is 
*everyone* signing up for the Judy Stein I Don't 
Have To See A Movie To Know Everything About It 
Club?  :-)

Truth be told, I've just been having fun trip-
ping on the movie. It's so rare for me to find
a film that has any *ideas* in it that I like
tripping on those ideas when they show up. 
Besides, this one had the advantage of me know-
ing that me showing interest in it would draw 
out all the egocrazies and make them sputter. :-)

No, it's not the Second Coming. But it's an 
interesting movie that will touch more people's 
lives that you will touch in all of your incar-
nations combined. Mine too, but at least I know
that. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care reform!

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Isn't that unusual? Switching parties, from majority to
> minority?

He's a DINO, and his district has been trending
Republican. He just barely made it to the House
for his first term, and he wants to make sure he
gets reelected.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Nat'l Assn. of Realtors: Home sales up 44 percent from a year ago

[authfriend]

November new home sales sink 11 percent
By ALAN ZIBEL, AP Real Estate Writer
 
WASHINGTON – Sales of new homes plunged unexpectedly 
last month to the lowest level since April, a sign the 
housing market recovery will be rocky and heavily 
dependent on the generosity of Uncle Sam.

The 11 percent slump from October's pace shows that 
consumers are taking their time following an extension 
of a deadline for first-time buyers to qualify for a 
tax credit. The incentive was set to expire at the end 
of November, but Congress pushed back the date to April 
30 and expanded the program to include current 
homeowners who relocate.

"They don't have to act today," said David Crowe, chief 
economist at the National Association of Home Builders, 
who called the results "pretty awful."

New home sales data, released Wednesday, are a better 
indicator of future real estate activity than sales of 
previously occupied homes, but capture a smaller slice 
of the market. The new home figures tally sales 
agreements signed in November, while home resale 
numbers reflect contracts signed over the summer that 
were completed the same month


Read more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091223/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_new_home_sales

http://tinyurl.com/yz7w466



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> Federal programs designed to jump start the housing market helped boost sales 
> of previously owned homes to their highest level since February 2007 and 
> whittle down the excess supply of homes on the market in November.
> 
> The National Association of Realtors reported on Tuesday that sales of 
> existing single-family homes, townhomes, condominiums and cooperatives rose 
> 7.4 percent in November from the previous month to a seasonally adjusted 
> annual rate of 6.54 million homes. 
> 
> Sales were up 44 percent from a year ago, the highest annual gain since the 
> group started tracking the data in 1999. 
> 
> Full article here: http://snipurl.com/tti4w   [www_washingtonpost_com]
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:

> Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed

Translation: Vaj just heard (or invented) a new
rumor to flog.


 that those drama-laden  
> "silences" that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't  
> actually that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of  
> more public ones!
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 12:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence
> shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is
> Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is
> Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest.
> Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition.
> Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence
> perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment.
> Silence alone is."
>
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

I think he forgot "Silence writing me a check is all that matters."



How about "silence is a dead rishi." :-)

Interesting aside, it's been recently revealed that those drama-laden  
"silences" that Mahesh used to supposedly do every January, weren't  
actually that, uh, silent. He just held private meetings instead of  
more public ones!

[FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care reform!

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
wrote:
>
> Isn't that unusual? Switching parties, from majority to minority?
>


Video Is a Terrible Thing to Waste


Today the national GOP welcomes Rep. Parker Griffith (R-AL) into the
party. That is, just moments after scrubbing the commercials they ran
last year accusing him of abusing cancer patients to squeeze more money
out of them and cheering on radical Islam in its war on America.

But hey, we snatched them up for viewing pleasure
 
before they disappeared forever down the memory hole.  See them here

.

Freshman Rep who voted against Democratic agenda swtiches affiliation to
GOP


  [Alabama Rep. Parker Griffith says he's switching parties.] 

Freshman Rep. Parker Griffith (D-AL) plans to announce today that he
will switch parties
  to become a
Republican. According to Politico, Griffith's defection "will
send a jolt through a Democratic House Caucus that has already been
unnerved by the recent retirements of a handful of members." But
considering that he has voted with Republicans on basically all of the
Democrats' major agenda items
 , Griffith's
move will likely have a limited effect on legislative outcomes:

While the timing of his announcement was unexpected, Griffith's
party switch will not come as a surprise to those familiar with his
voting record, which is one of the most conservative among Democrats.

He has bucked the Democratic leadership on nearly all of its major
domestic initiatives, including the stimulus package, health care
legislation, the cap-and trade energy bill and financial regulatory
reform.

He was one of only 11 House Democrats to vote against the stimulus.

Additionally, Griffith declared in August that he would not vote
  for Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to hold that position
again. "If she doesn't like it, I've got a gift certificate
to the mental health center," said Griffith at a town hall meeting.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/12/22/griffith-switch-gop/


>
>
>
> 
> From: BillyG wg...@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:42:09 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care
reform!
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "BillyG" wgm4u@ wrote:
> >
> > http://www.politico .com/singletitle video.html? bcpid=1155201977
&bctid=585\
> > 76111001
>
> Link bad, you can see it here:
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30896.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > ... This is my only real criticizm of the flilm, however, 
> > it's still a must see just to witness the direction movies 
> > are going in the future. I can only imagine what could be 
> > done using this technology to bring the Mahabharata and 
> > Ramayana to film.
> 
> The real wonder of it all, Mike, is how it all
> works while *making* the movie. Cameron was not
> content with shooting his characters against a
> green screen and seeing the results only weeks
> or months later when all the special effects
> had been added. Nope...perfectionist control
> freak that he is, he had to invent a way to
> see it in *real time*, as he was filming.
> 
> Article from Wired UK on how it all works below. 
> Yes, on one level AVATAR is a game-changer because 
> of what appears onscreen in the final product. But 
> it's FAR more of a game-changer for filmmakers, 
> who can now actually see what they are creating 
> as they create it.
> 
> http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/01/features/the-creation-of-avatar.aspx
>


Again, yawn.

Perhaps this is something new for green screen technology filming but it 
certainly is not new as far as "filmmakers who can now actually see what they 
are creating as they create it" is concerned.

For over 30 years now filmmakers have employed a simultaneous video-taping 
camera along with the actual film-camera filming of every scene they do.  
Seconds after a scene is shot, the director has been able to view a video-taped 
version of what he has just shot on a video monitor beside his director's chair.

And who was it that invented this technology?  No less a whack-job than Jerry 
Lewis who, I believe, took out a patent on it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[Bhairitu]

authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
>   
>> I think James Cameron is smart enough to have taken that step
>> back from the lemming-like, addictive pursuit of unobtainium
>> and put a little thought into what exactly is worth obtaining.
>> 
>
> A record profit on his film?

The movie certainly has made a BIG impression on Turq.  Line on sand?  
Or maybe cement.

I haven't seen it yet. I'd rather see the George Clooney film that got a 
whole bunch of Golden Globe nominations, rated R and probably has a lot 
more substance to it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Catapocalypse

[ShempMcGurk]

or Rabbitopocalypse.

Despite living in a suburb, we are invested with rabbits.  I go for a walk 
every evening and I see, on average, 5 rabbits every night.  I think the reason 
for this is that coyotes are a natural predator of rabbits and they are 
abundant here in Arizona but have of course disappeared in the suburban areas 
(although they can be seen on the streets about once a year).  So their natural 
"prey" have exponentially increased their numbers.

A sad thing happened last week: I got in my car which was parked in my driveway 
and pulled out.  Lo and behold a rabbit had been hiding underneath my car under 
where the engine is situated.  I saw him only after I pulled out.  I knew I 
didn't hit him because I pulled out in a straight line and there were no marks 
on him.  Also, I could see that he was shivering from fright.  But he didn't 
move.

About two hours later I came back and the rabbit was lying there dead.  No 
blood or marks on him.  So I assume that he died of a heart attack...perhaps 
because the suddenness and noise of the engine being turned on.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> 
> Some say the world will end in fire...
> Some say in ice...
> Or...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Cameron Family Portrait of the American Mindset

[ShempMcGurk]

Yawn.

Despite what Barry writes, the themes put forward by both Bigelow and Cameron 
are ones that have been used ad infinitum by Hollywood since the 1930s.  
Although greatly opposed by many in power for decades (and, indeed, discussed 
as anti-American during the HUAC period), these themes became de rigeur since 
the mid-'60s.

It is DESPITE these themes that Bigelow and Cameron are succeeding with these 
films (Bigelow critically and not commercially; Cameron by both standards).  
And the reason they succeed is that the movies are made well.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> There is a curious coincidence in the world of cinema
> this year. Two filmmakers -- once married to each other --
> find their films nominated in the Golden Globe Awards for 
> Best Picture and themselves nominated for Best Director. 
> 
> Because I don't follow the gossip mags -- only movies --
> I don't know how close James Cameron and Kathryn Bigelow
> have remained after their divorce. What strikes me is how
> close their views of America and the American mindset that 
> has fucked up our planet are.
> 
> Bigelow's premise is displayed in big letters in the first
> frame of "The Hurt Locker" -- "War is a drug." Her vision
> of a bomb-squad expert whose every day can be reduced to 
> disarming one bomb that could potentially kill him after 
> another is chilling, especially because he "re-ups" at the
> end of the film, and signs up for another tour of duty.
> 
> If I had to invent a similar four-word synopsis for Cameron's
> "Avatar," it would be "Gaming is a drug."
> 
> His film is doing great box office, but it is coming under
> fire from two sections of the population -- hard-core gamers 
> and hard-core right-wing "Me first-ers," the kinds of people 
> who think selling their planet down the river is not only 
> cool but admirable if you just get a good enough price for it.
> 
> And well they should criticize Cameron's vision. There has
> rarely ever been a more scathing portrait of the American
> gamer mentality -- for what else *is* both its war-driven,
> tech-worshiping military mindset and its profit-driven, "if
> they won't get out of the way just drive over them" corporate
> mentality but an extension of gaming.
> 
> Gaming is a drug just as surely as war is a drug, and both
> the soldiers and the soulless corporate toady in "Avatar"
> are addicts. And interestingly, part *of* their game mental-
> ity is compulsively putting down and reducing to ridicule
> anything that is *not* game- and winning-oriented as weak
> or effeminate or "gay."
> 
> Even though "Avatar" has some of the best action scenes and
> "blowing up stuff" scenes in movie history, the gamers are
> hating it. Why? Because it portrays them as losers, and as
> seriously *missing something* by being unable to appreciate
> or identify with in any way a more holistic view of life. 
> Just as the soldiers and the corporate toadies in the film
> make fun of the "blue monkeys" and their Woo Woo, one-with-
> the-planet lifestyle, free of the need to "win" or "accumu-
> late points" (which is, after all, the goal of both war and 
> Capitalism), the real-life gamers and corporate apologists
> on the Net are going apoplectic in ridiculing Cameron's film.
> 
> I find it fascinating that the word I hear most often in 
> these screeds, hurled as an epithet, is "Gay!" I'm not sure
> whether these gamers and Capitalists have just never seen 
> near-naked bodies before and are suppressing their closet
> desires to have their way with them, or whether they have
> just been trained over the years to demean anything "planet
> oriented" or "ecology oriented" as gay, but it's interesting
> to hear that term applied to "Avatar." From my safely hetero
> point of view, there have never *been* more virile, comfort-
> able-in-their-bodies, powerful male and female beings shown
> on a movie screen than the Na'vi. And there have never been 
> more comfortable-in-their-lives, comfortable-in-their-
> relationship-with-their-environment, free-from-the-constant-
> need-to-"win" male and female beings portrayed onscreen. 
> 
> I think that's why there is such hatred being expressed
> for this film. It dumps on everything the "Just gotta win,
> just gotta score points (make money)" mindset that has been
> catered to by computer games *and* Capitalism for decades 
> stands for, and portrays them as Ultimate Losers. And the 
> winners are these "gay" blue-skinned beings who are romping 
> around the forest, not having to "win" anything, not having 
> to "own" anything, just Being.
> 
> OF COURSE the "Gotta win"-addicted gamers and the "Gotta-
> win"-addicted Capitalists hate this movie. It shows them 
> for what they are -- addicted. And worse, it presents a 
> vision of what life might be like if one were *not*
> addicted. Can't have that.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Silence

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> "Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence
> shared is Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is
> Adoration. Silence expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is
> Strength. Silence omitted is Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest.
> Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence preserved is Our Tradition.
> Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is Joy. Silence
> perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment.
> Silence alone is."
>
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

I think he forgot "Silence writing me a check is all that matters."

[FairfieldLife] From someone who was on the public option

[ShempMcGurk]

...and I'm not referring to the time I lived in Canada.

I'm referring to the healthcare insurance plan known as the "Healthcare Group 
of Arizona" which I was on for about 5 years but am no longer on (and note that 
the rules changed in Nov. '08 making it less of a public option).

This plan was available to anyone who was self-employed for more than 6 months 
WITHOUT ANY DECLINES FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS.  All were accepted as long as 
you paid the premiums and were self-employed.

If you had a pre-existing condition, they still accepted you with the following 
proviso:

1) if you had insurance immediately prior, you got coverage for the 
pre-existing condition immediately;

2) if you didn't have insurance immediately prior, there was a one-year waiting 
period before coverage kicked in for the pre-existing condition.

So I believe that the above description fits the definition of a "public 
option" with, of course, the exception being that it was only available to the 
self-employed. But note that the key ingredient -- acceptance of people with 
pre-existing conditions -- was in place.

At the time I went off the coverage (March '09) I was paying $350 a month which 
included optional dental coverage.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fuck "Kumbayah"

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, but in every primitive society, and all societies, there were
> Shaman who lived on the outskirts, living a life of oneness with nature,
> no real need to rely on the society for survival, and entering into a
> spiritual dialog with the larger consciousness of Nature (and they often
> lived well into their nineties, if they were not in wars.) They saw a
> deeper truth, outside of the "one-lifers", and it is their wisdom from
> around the world that modern man can learn from., and that are being
> focused on in those ads etc.
> 
> Your alternative is to say that there is no wisdom in Man. It is a
> possiblity, but that view has no legs to walk on. This blog you quoted
> shows ignorance of the right-wing mind-set.





I totally agree with you about the Shaman and everything else.

What I object to is the  blind belief that native Americans as a whole were 
somehow better stewards of the environment, which they were not.





> 
> (Shit ! --- I gotta go get in a traffic jam to do some xmas shopping !
> That stuff sneaks up on you ! :-)
> 
> OffWorld
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > At Comic Con 2009, Cameron told attendees that he wanted to
> > > make "something that has this spoonful of sugar of all the
> > > action and the adventure and all that". He wanted this to
> > > thrill him "as a fan" but also have a conscience "that
> > > maybe in the enjoying of it makes you think a little bit
> > > about the way you interact with nature and your fellow man".
> > > He added that "the Na'vi represent something that is our
> > > higher selves, or our aspirational selves, what we would
> > > like to think we are" and that even though there are good
> > > humans within the film, the humans "represent what we know
> > > to be the parts of ourselves that are trashing our world
> > > and maybe condemning ourselves to a grim future."
> >
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > Fuck "Kumbayah" and the horse it rode in on.
> >
> > The myth of the Noble Savage at one with nature is just that: a myth.
> >
> > Certainly at least as far as the native peoples of North America are
> concerned.  In addition to practising slavery (some tribes) and living
> the ideal of Darwinism and Social Darwinism (survival of the fittest
> taken to the Nth degree), North American aboriginals were far from the
> caring environmentalists and "stewards of the flora and fauna" that
> Hollywood and liberals make them out to be.
> >
> > For example, if a plains Indian wanted to munch on some buffalo meat,
> he didn't think twice about directing a herd of, say, 1,000 bison off a
> cliff just so he could get a thigh or a leg off of one to bring home for
> a snack.
> >
> > Want some land to live off of?  Why, simply torch a few thousand acres
> of forest so you can have the convenience of 200 square feet to pitch
> your teepee.
> >
> > Remember that crying Indian in those public service environmental
> commercials from the '60s and '70s?  Well, the myth of the
> one-with-nature Indian was as fake as the Indian who appeared in those
> commercials: he turned out to be an Italian-American from Brooklyn.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Nat'l Assn. of Realtors: Home sales up 44 percent from a year ago

[do.rflex]

Federal programs designed to jump start the housing market helped boost sales 
of previously owned homes to their highest level since February 2007 and 
whittle down the excess supply of homes on the market in November.

The National Association of Realtors reported on Tuesday that sales of existing 
single-family homes, townhomes, condominiums and cooperatives rose 7.4 percent 
in November from the previous month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 
6.54 million homes. 

Sales were up 44 percent from a year ago, the highest annual gain since the 
group started tracking the data in 1999. 

Full article here: http://snipurl.com/tti4w   [www_washingtonpost_com] 

[FairfieldLife] Silence

[Rick Archer]

"Silence vibrating is Creation. Silence flowing is Love. Silence shared is
Friendship. Silence seen is Infinity. Silence heard is Adoration. Silence
expressed is Beauty. Silence maintained is Strength. Silence omitted is
Suffering. Silence allowed is Rest. Silence recorded is Scripture. Silence
preserved is Our Tradition. Silence given is Initiating. Silence received is
Joy. Silence perceived is Knowledge. Silence stabilized is Fulfillment.
Silence alone is."
 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Vaj]

On Dec 23, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:

I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography  
is spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or  
*stealing*, as others might put it, not only from Star Wars and  
Dances with Wolves, but also Last of the Mohicans and it's not just  
one scene form these films but multiple scenes.



...says Rush Limbaugh on finding the new hit, genre-breaking movie  
AVATAR disses Republico-fascists and their ilk.


I can only imagine what could be done using this technology to  
bring the Mahabharata and Ramayana to film.


LOL! Like anyone in America would want to see THAT.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care reform!

[Mike Dixon]

Isn't that unusual? Switching parties, from majority to minority?





From: BillyG 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:42:09 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: X-Democrat and Doctor blasts health care reform!

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "BillyG"  wrote:
>
> http://www.politico .com/singletitle video.html? bcpid=1155201977 &bctid=585\
> 76111001

Link bad, you can see it here:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30896.html





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> ... This is my only real criticizm of the flilm, however, 
> it's still a must see just to witness the direction movies 
> are going in the future. I can only imagine what could be 
> done using this technology to bring the Mahabharata and 
> Ramayana to film.

The real wonder of it all, Mike, is how it all
works while *making* the movie. Cameron was not
content with shooting his characters against a
green screen and seeing the results only weeks
or months later when all the special effects
had been added. Nope...perfectionist control
freak that he is, he had to invent a way to
see it in *real time*, as he was filming.

Article from Wired UK on how it all works below. 
Yes, on one level AVATAR is a game-changer because 
of what appears onscreen in the final product. But 
it's FAR more of a game-changer for filmmakers, 
who can now actually see what they are creating 
as they create it.

http://www.wired.co.uk/wired-magazine/archive/2010/01/features/the-creation-of-avatar.aspx

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Mike Dixon]

Bingo!





From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:48:32 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

  
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> There is much to be discussed about this film. My 
> bet is that we will find little of that discussion
> here. Instead, people who have seen the film -- and
> at least one who has not and probably never will 
> because it now has Barry's official seal of approval
> on it :-) -- will steer discussions of AVATAR to the
> "low ground."

No need. Barry's already done that, and he just
did it again.





  

[FairfieldLife] Merry Quackmas from Sweden

[TurquoiseB]

So what is one of the most cherished and enduring
Christmas Eve traditions in Sweden? Why, gathering
the whole family to sit and watch Donald Duck 
cartoons on TV, of course:

http://www.slate.com/id/2239252/pagenum/all

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

[Mike Dixon]

I went again the other day and watched it on IMAX. The photography is 
spectacular. However, I did notice more *barrowing* or *stealing*, as others 
might put it, not only from Star Wars and Dances with Wolves, but also Last of 
the Mohicans and it's not just one scene form these films but multiple scenes. 
I might go back one more time, specificly to count  the scenes and movies 
ripped off. This is my only real criticizm of the flilm, however, it's still a 
must see just to witness the direction movies are going in the future. I can 
only imagine what could be done using this technology to bring the Mahabharata 
and Ramayana to film.





From: ShempMcGurk 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 9:13:38 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: AVATAR

  


--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

[snip]

> If you're shooting for the
> best, steal from the best. And Cameron did. 

[snip]

Quentin Tarantino, of course, made "stealing" ideas, scenes, plots and dialogue 
snippets from other movies an art form...and he announced that he was doing it 
loudly and clearly.

"Stealing" of course only works when done properly; then it is both art and 
"homage". When it's done improperly, it's neither art nor homage, just plain 
stealing.

And it is the latter that came to mind this past week-end when I finally saw 
the supposed cult movie "Boondock Saints" by Troy Duffy.

Here's who Duffy stole from: Pulp Fiction, Platoon, Silence of the Lambs, Blue 
Velvet, Kill Bill, the Godfather, and, yes, even "Seinfeld". But it was 
horribly cliche-ish and badly done.

As for Avatar -- which I haven't seen yet -- I am incredibly excited just 
reading the box office tallies as reported in places like boxofficemojo. com . 
Other than the fact that Cameron has already had a Cinderella story with 
Titanic I would use that phrase to describe what is going on with Avatar. It is 
very exciting to see one's vision come to fruition as it is with Cameron and, 
at the same time, see it reflected in Box Office. Sometimes financial success 
and true art DO mix and perhaps this is an instance in which it does. 

I was not a big fan of Titanic although I have liked previous movies that 
Cameron has done. But as Barry explains -- and pretty much every critic who 
I've seen or read also says -- this is something special. So it is really nice 
to see the payoff now for Cameron after risking so much money for his vision.

It is the same way I felt for Mel Gibson when he made Passion of the Christ, a 
movie I've never seen and probably won't (I'm not into homoerotic dei-icide 
snuff films as I think Christopher Hitchens called it). Gibson was rejected by 
every studio so he put his own money into it and ended up making northwards of 
$200 million.





  

[FairfieldLife] The Catapocalypse

[PaliGap]

Some say the world will end in fire...
Some say in ice...
Or...

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Cameron Family Portrait of the American Mindset

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

>From my safely hetero
> point of view, there have never *been* more virile, comfort-
> able-in-their-bodies, powerful male and female beings shown
> on a movie screen than the Na'vi. And there have never been 
> more comfortable-in-their-lives, comfortable-in-their-
> relationship-with-their-environment, free-from-the-constant-
> need-to-"win" male and female beings portrayed onscreen.

Some of us find it more thrilling to see them in the flesh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> I think James Cameron is smart enough to have taken that step
> back from the lemming-like, addictive pursuit of unobtainium
> and put a little thought into what exactly is worth obtaining.

A record profit on his film?

[FairfieldLife] Father Time and the Law of Karma, beware because...

[BillyG]

"The Moving Finger writes, and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it." Omar

Think before you act, and take stock of the passing year, what can you
do this year 2010 to improve on last year 2009? For you will be held
accountable for every good or evil deed till all is fulfilled down to
the last *jot and tittle*.

(5:18): "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is
fulfilled"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Is Obama Ditching the Public Option — and You?

[WillyTex]

raunchydog wrote:
> "So let's change it..."
> 
There's a mid-term election coming up.
I'm predicting that some independents
are going to win big. Dodd is going to
be a big loser, fer sure, and several
others too. This is change you can
believe in. Let the tea party begin!

WASHINGTON -- A $100 million item for 
construction of a university hospital 
was inserted in the Senate health care 
bill at the request of Sen. Christopher 
Dodd, D-Conn., who faces a difficult 
re-election campaign, his office said 
Sunday night...

Read more:

'Health bill money for hospital sought by Dodd'
Associated Press, Sunday, December 20, 2009 
http://tinyurl.com/yd4ts7x

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> It's also fun writing about these ponderings, even if
> only for a forum where I know many posters either won't 
> want to read what I write or literally *can't* because
> they lack the attention span to do so. The moment they
> see a post longer than Twitter-length, their minds tune
> out and their hands move automatically to the Next key.
> 
[snip]
Barry Wright and John Manning are so much smarter than 
anyone else on this forum. I don't know why anyone would 
read any messages that were not from them! Just speaking 
for myself, I don't know how I'd even go about appreciating 
a movie like 'Avatar' or voting in an election, without 
Barry or John's astute 'ponderings' and 'opinions'.

From: Déjà Flu
Subject: The Master Plan
Newsgroups: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
Date: December 23, 2009 8:35 am

From: John Manning
Subject: LDS candidate touts Mormon-only male-only campaign rallies
Newsgroups: alt.religion.mormon, 
alt.religion, soc.culture.jewish, 
alt.atheism, alt.bible.prophecy
Date: December 23, 2009 7:21 am

[FairfieldLife] Why Is Obama Ditching the Public Option — and You?

[raunchydog]

"Obama apparently doesn't think he campaigned on a pubic option, just because 
he mentioned it during his campaign and included it in his health care plan. 
Why would that be?

Well, a couple of days ago my eyebrows raised when I saw this CNN poll on 
health care. It indicates that Obama's popularity has risen since the public 
option was removed from the plan. More interesting is the fact that support for 
the Senate/White House plan rose too, even though the public option had been 
more popular than the Senate/White House bill by a wide margin.

The Obama White House managed to successfully triangulate against the public 
option by saying it was too "liberal," and presenting their corporate-friendly 
plan that gives Aetna and PhRMA everything they want as "centrist" by 
comparison. Because that's the left/right puke funnel that the media must feed 
everything through. So even though taking out the public option goes against 
public opinion, because "liberals" will be upset, it must be a good "sensible" 
thing to do.

Having Joe Lieberman act as front man was the perfect delivery mechanism for 
achieving that goal.

Obama is triangulating against you today. They want all those diaries of 
outrage by "liberals," so that right wingers will look on and think "good for 
him — like Joe Lieberman, he really knows how to stick it to liberals." It's 
the move of a deeply cynical politician who believes in nothing but shameless 
manipulation  for political convenience. Meanwhile, the media will completely 
overlook the fact that this bill is nothing but a corporate giveaway written by 
sleazy greedy whores willing to hold the nation's sick hostage in order to pull 
off the biggest Shock Doctrine scam in world history.

When I saw that CNN poll, I realized immediately that this media dynamic must 
change. Dramatically.  Because if it doesn't, Obama — and all his fellow 
corporatists — will use it to easily deflect any challenge to their continuing 
grand ambitions for a Bailout Nation.

So let's change it."

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/why-is-obama-ditching-the-public-option-and-you/
By: Jane Hamsher Wednesday December 23, 2009 5:46 am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Sanskrit's origin

[WillyTex]

off_world_beings wrote:
> This sounds dated...
> 
Apparently all the Dravidian ethnic groups are Caucasian.
Tamils etc, are not a distinct race. The Tamil language
is probably derived from Archaic Sanskrit, according to 
David Frawley. Frawley thinks the Sanskrit speakers spread 
out to Iran, Europe and to the Scandinavian countries.

Could Frawley amd Vaj be right, that prehistorical farmers 
in Tamilnadu have diffused their agricultural and linguistic 
lifestyle throughout the Middle East and Northern Europe, 
instead of the other way around?

[FairfieldLife] Ezra Klein responds to Hamsher's '10 Reasons to Kill the Senate Bill'

[do.rflex]

Ezra Klein answers  Jane Hamsher's '10 reasons to kill the bill'
I've gotten a lot of requests to respond to Jane Hamsher's list
  of 10 reasons to kill the Senate bill. At this point, I'm
not sure there's much in the way of productive dialogue to be had here.


Some of the list is purposefully misleading and is clearly aimed more at
helping activists kill the bill than actually informing anyone about
what is in the bill.


Some of it points out things that really should be changed in the bill
but aren't central to the legislation itself, and are simply being
leveraged to help activists kill the bill.


But maybe there's some utility to putting the document in context.

1)  Forces you to pay up to 8% of your income to private insurance
corporations -- whether you want to or not.

"You," huh? For the 85 percent of the country already covered by
health-care insurance, it doesn't force "you" to do anything at all.
People on Medicare are not going to be paying money to private
insurance. People with employer-based care will not see their situation
change.

For the nearly 50 million Americans caught in the ranks of the
uninsured, here's the deal: The bill expands Medicaid, a public program,
to cover about 20 million of, uh, "you." Private insurance gets nothing.
If you make more than 133 percent of the poverty line, but less than 400
percent, there's a huge system of new subsidies to help you afford
private coverage.


There are also new regulations on insurers forcing them to spend between
80 percent and 85 percent of every premium dollar on medical care,
barring them from rejecting you or charging you higher premiums due to
preexisting conditions, ensuring they can't place any annual caps on
insurance benefits, and more.

But here's the catch: So long as insurance won't cost more than 8
percent of your monthly income, you have to buy into the system. You
can't wait until you get sick or get hurt and and then buy insurance,
shifting the costs onto everyone else.


The cost of having a universal, or near-universal, system is that people
have to participate. The promise is that, for the first time,
participation will be possible.




2) If you refuse to buy the insurance, you'll have to pay penalties of
up to 2% of your annual income to the IRS.

Again, who's "you?" If you don't have employer-based coverage, Medicare,
Medicaid, or anything else, and premiums won't cost more than 8 percent
of your monthly income, and you refuse to purchase insurance, at that
point, you will be assessed a penalty of up to 2 percent of your annual
income.


In return for that, you get guaranteed treatment at hospitals and an
insurance system that allows you to purchase full coverage the moment
you decide you actually need it.


In the current system, if you don't buy insurance, and then find you
need it, you'll likely never be able to buy insurance again. There's a
very good case to be made
 , in fact, that paying the 2 percent penalty is the
best deal in the bill.




3) Many will be forced to buy poor-quality insurance they can't afford
to use, with $11,900 in annual out-of-pocket expenses over and above
their annual premiums.

How many is "many?" For a look at how various families will fare with
reform and without reform, see this table

, and this article
 . But if you don't want to click the links, this
graph, which shows the financial risk that medical costs pose to
families with different incomes with and without reform, tells the
story:

  [Rec Reform - Dollars.jpg] 


The vast, overwhelming majority of families will be better off under
this bill. The families in the greatest danger get the most help. They
will have insurance that they can use, and if they need it, subsidies to
help them afford it.


Compared with the status quo, in which about 50 million people have no
insurance and tens of millions more have insurance they can't afford to
use, this is a massive improvement. As Jonathan Cohn writes, "This is a
hugely progressive program to bolster economic security, the likes of
which we haven't enacted in this country for a long, long time."




4) Massive restriction on a woman's right to choose, designed to trigger
a challenge to Roe v. Wade in the Supreme Court.

The Senate bill is better than the House bill on this score, but it's
still disappointing. That said, the restriction here is not on the right
to choose, but on whether primary insurance covers abortion.


In the House bill, the exchanges can't offer primary insurance that
covers abortion. In the Senate bill, individual states can choose t

[FairfieldLife] The Metaphors of AVATAR -- "unobtainium"

[TurquoiseB]

It's fun having seen a movie that inspires one to
ponder its deeper implications. It's even more fun
having one's own copy of the movie, so that when one 
of those ponderings leads you into uncharted territory, 
you can just fire up the movie and watch it again to 
see whether your ponderings might have really been 
shared by the filmmaker or are entirely your own. 

It's also fun writing about these ponderings, even if
only for a forum where I know many posters either won't 
want to read what I write or literally *can't* because
they lack the attention span to do so. The moment they
see a post longer than Twitter-length, their minds tune
out and their hands move automatically to the Next key.
But that's appropriate in a way, because I'm writing
about them and they'll never realize it.  :-)  :-)  :-)

Earlier I rapped about the strange reaction I found in
the "gaming community" to AVATAR. Yes, there are many
who loved the film, but there is a *very* vocal minority
that *hated* it with a passion. And I find the reasons 
*WHY* they hate it fascinating, and an interesting 
commentary on gaming itself, and what it does to the
minds and hearts of those addicted to it.

Many of the criticisms have to do with the film having
a "weak plot." Ironically, these criticisms come mainly
from gamers whose idea of an intelligent plot line is an
endless stream of Bad Guys to shoot, blow up, or otherwise
destroy -- as many of them as possible, with as little
intervening plotline as possible. 

SURE the basic plot of AVATAR is simple, nigh unto 
simplistic. So are the plots of most of the great myths on 
planet Earth. But frankly, given his audience -- trained by 
TV and movies and computer games to have no expectations 
of a work in terms of plot than to look forward to the next 
action scene -- it's about the best he could come up with. 
It's not, after all, as if someone whose entire idea of 
"plot" revolves around "Where is the next Bad Guy to shoot?" 
and "When are we going to get to blow something else up?" 
and "Where are the next points to be scored?" can *handle* 
a real plot.

Also, to someone caught up in the gaming mentality (or the 
corporate Capitalist mentality), the concept of plot or having 
an actual goal for one's actions other than racking up kills
and racking up points (money) is *contrary* to the very gaming
mentality. Gaming isn't *about* long-term goals. It's about
*forgetting* long-term goals and immersing oneself in short-
term goals. "Just gotta kill the next Bad Guy before he kills
me." "Just gotta accumulate more points (money) so I can make
it to the next level of the game." "Gotta." "Just gotta."

As mused earlier, it's an addiction thang, not a reasoned
thang or an intellect thang. The whole *point* of the gaming
mentality is to *ignore* the Big Picture and immerse oneself
in the ever-changing minutiae of new Bad Guys to kill and new
points to accumulate. It's an entire mindset based on compul-
sion and on never stopping to think about what one is being 
compulsive about.

I am not the first to make such observations. The most popular 
games are those in which there is no actual "final goal." The
only thing that happens when you "win" is that the game restarts
and you have to "win" it all over again. Or you get to move to
the next "level" of the game, which not suprisingly looks 
exactly like the previous level of the game -- shoot the Bad
Guys and accumulate points (money).

Now I ask you...doesn't this sound a lot like LIFE, as lived
by most of the people on this planet? Doesn't it sound a lot
like the descriptions of samsara, or illusion, and the never-
ending repetition of the Same Old Same Old, life after life,
incarnation after incarnation that spiritual teachers talk
about? Doesn't it sound a lot like chasing something unobtain-
able, endlessly, rather than stepping back and thinking about 
what might actually be worth obtaining?

In AVATAR, the element that the "Sky people" (invaders from
Earth, which they have raped and pillaged to the point that it
can no longer support their needs) are on planet Pandora for
is sought compulsively because it contains the energy that 
they need to live (keep playing the game). Hilariously, 
Cameron calls this element "unobtainium." 

This term has been used in engineering and science fiction 
since the 1950s for any fictional material that, if found, 
supplies all that would be desired of it. Cameron uses it as a 
poignant joke, because the "Sky people" -- having destroyed
their own planet in search of unobtainium -- are now ready,
willing, and able to destroy another one. The impact of 
their actions (destroying a second planet) is not important; 
all that is important is obtaining the unobtainium.

Sound a lot like the Wheel Of Karma? Sound a lot like Maya?
Sound a lot like the "gamer mentality?" Sound a lot like the
corporate Capitalist mentality? Sound a lot like the mentality
of the climate change deniers and the "STFU and let us keep
destroying 

[FairfieldLife] Merry Christmas Schemp

[PaliGap]

A cool ring tone for your phone...

"Hide the decline"
http://www.brinked.com/jeffid-u-261681.html

[FairfieldLife] The Cameron Family Portrait of the American Mindset

[TurquoiseB]

There is a curious coincidence in the world of cinema
this year. Two filmmakers -- once married to each other --
find their films nominated in the Golden Globe Awards for 
Best Picture and themselves nominated for Best Director. 

Because I don't follow the gossip mags -- only movies --
I don't know how close James Cameron and Kathryn Bigelow
have remained after their divorce. What strikes me is how
close their views of America and the American mindset that 
has fucked up our planet are.

Bigelow's premise is displayed in big letters in the first
frame of "The Hurt Locker" -- "War is a drug." Her vision
of a bomb-squad expert whose every day can be reduced to 
disarming one bomb that could potentially kill him after 
another is chilling, especially because he "re-ups" at the
end of the film, and signs up for another tour of duty.

If I had to invent a similar four-word synopsis for Cameron's
"Avatar," it would be "Gaming is a drug."

His film is doing great box office, but it is coming under
fire from two sections of the population -- hard-core gamers 
and hard-core right-wing "Me first-ers," the kinds of people 
who think selling their planet down the river is not only 
cool but admirable if you just get a good enough price for it.

And well they should criticize Cameron's vision. There has
rarely ever been a more scathing portrait of the American
gamer mentality -- for what else *is* both its war-driven,
tech-worshiping military mindset and its profit-driven, "if
they won't get out of the way just drive over them" corporate
mentality but an extension of gaming.

Gaming is a drug just as surely as war is a drug, and both
the soldiers and the soulless corporate toady in "Avatar"
are addicts. And interestingly, part *of* their game mental-
ity is compulsively putting down and reducing to ridicule
anything that is *not* game- and winning-oriented as weak
or effeminate or "gay."

Even though "Avatar" has some of the best action scenes and
"blowing up stuff" scenes in movie history, the gamers are
hating it. Why? Because it portrays them as losers, and as
seriously *missing something* by being unable to appreciate
or identify with in any way a more holistic view of life. 
Just as the soldiers and the corporate toadies in the film
make fun of the "blue monkeys" and their Woo Woo, one-with-
the-planet lifestyle, free of the need to "win" or "accumu-
late points" (which is, after all, the goal of both war and 
Capitalism), the real-life gamers and corporate apologists
on the Net are going apoplectic in ridiculing Cameron's film.

I find it fascinating that the word I hear most often in 
these screeds, hurled as an epithet, is "Gay!" I'm not sure
whether these gamers and Capitalists have just never seen 
near-naked bodies before and are suppressing their closet
desires to have their way with them, or whether they have
just been trained over the years to demean anything "planet
oriented" or "ecology oriented" as gay, but it's interesting
to hear that term applied to "Avatar." From my safely hetero
point of view, there have never *been* more virile, comfort-
able-in-their-bodies, powerful male and female beings shown
on a movie screen than the Na'vi. And there have never been 
more comfortable-in-their-lives, comfortable-in-their-
relationship-with-their-environment, free-from-the-constant-
need-to-"win" male and female beings portrayed onscreen. 

I think that's why there is such hatred being expressed
for this film. It dumps on everything the "Just gotta win,
just gotta score points (make money)" mindset that has been
catered to by computer games *and* Capitalism for decades 
stands for, and portrays them as Ultimate Losers. And the 
winners are these "gay" blue-skinned beings who are romping 
around the forest, not having to "win" anything, not having 
to "own" anything, just Being.

OF COURSE the "Gotta win"-addicted gamers and the "Gotta-
win"-addicted Capitalists hate this movie. It shows them 
for what they are -- addicted. And worse, it presents a 
vision of what life might be like if one were *not*
addicted. Can't have that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Brittany Murphy

[John]

Gull,

Thanks for the information.  I need to verify her birth time to see if it 
applies to her life.  Tentatively, my program casted her horoscope as a Leo 
ascendant.  By her physical features, she appears to have a lioness aura about 
her--much like Charlize Theron.  So, the birth time may be correct.

I'll post my jyotish analysis as soon as I verify some of her actual life 
details in the chart.

JR



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool  wrote:
>
>  
> This gives some details, but not the birth time:
>  
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005261/bio
>  
> A search on "brittany murphy astrology" gives lots of hits, but only one 
> which lists a time. 
>  
> This link below is the one which gives the time. Scroll down to the post with 
> the large, amazing pic of her. The birth day and place matches IMDB, but note 
> that the birth date given in the post is in the European format of dd/mm/yy: 
>  
> http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176385
>  
> Don't know if you do jyotish at all, but if I did I would certainly start 
> with the birth time listed in the last link and seeing if it makes any sense.
>  
> Maybe more searching will confirm the birth time.
> 
> 
> "Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
> love." 
>  
> - Amma  
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/23/09, John  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: John 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brittany Murphy
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 1:36 AM
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the birth data of Ms. Murphy?  She left this world rather 
> too soon.  May she rest in peace.
> 
> JR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Chopin's "Fantasie"

[John]

To All:

Yundi Li, a young classical pianist from China, plays a dreamlike rendition of 
this classic piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvm2ZsRv3C8&feature=related

JR

Re: [FairfieldLife] AVATAR

[Zoran Krneta]

now i am at home in Croatia...

2009/12/23 Vaj 

>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Zoran Krneta wrote:
>
> watched Avatar... disapointed... looks like New Age John Wayne in
> psyihodelic environment...
>
> Aren't you in India Zoran? Where did you see it at?
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Brittany Murphy

[gullible fool]

 
This gives some details, but not the birth time:
 
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005261/bio
 
A search on "brittany murphy astrology" gives lots of hits, but only one which 
lists a time. 
 
This link below is the one which gives the time. Scroll down to the post with 
the large, amazing pic of her. The birth day and place matches IMDB, but note 
that the birth date given in the post is in the European format of dd/mm/yy: 
 
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=176385
 
Don't know if you do jyotish at all, but if I did I would certainly start with 
the birth time listed in the last link and seeing if it makes any sense.
 
Maybe more searching will confirm the birth time.


"Love will swallow you, eat you up completely, until there is no `you,' only 
love." 
 
- Amma  

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, John  wrote:


From: John 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Brittany Murphy
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 1:36 AM


Does anyone know the birth data of Ms. Murphy?  She left this world rather too 
soon.  May she rest in peace.

JR





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A great blonde joke

[gullible fool]

 
--
Blondes
--

Blonde's year in review...

January - Took new scarf back to store because it
was too tight.

February - Fired from pharmacy job for failing to
print labels.He!!!.bottles won't fit
in printer !!!

March - Got really excited.finished jigsaw
puzzle in 6 months.box said "2-4 years!"

April - Trapped on escalator for hours  power went
out!!!

May - Tried to make Kool-Aid.wrong
instructions8 cups of water won't fit into those
little packets!!!

June - Tried to go water skiing.couldn't find a
lake with a slope.

July - Lost breast stroke swimming
competition.learned later, the other swimmers
cheated, they used their arms!!!

August - Got locked out of my car in rain
storm.car swamped because soft-top was open.

September - The capital of California is
"C".isn't it???

October - Hate M & M's.they are so hard to peel.

November - Baked turkey for 4 1/2 days.
instructions said 1 hour per pound and I weigh 108!!

December - Couldn't call 911  "duh".there's
no "eleven" button on the stupid phone!!!

---

A married couple woke up when the phone rang at 2 in
the morning. The wife, undoubtedly blonde, picked 
up the phone, listened for a moment and said, "How
should I know, that's 200 miles from here!", and hung
up. The husband said, "Who was that?" The wife said,
"I don't know, some woman wanting to know "if the
coast is clear." 

-

Two blondes are walking down the street. One notices 
a compact on the sidewalk and leans down to pick it 
up. She opens it, looks in the mirror and says, "Hmm, 
this person looks familiar." The second blonde says, 
"Here, let me see!" So the first blonde hands her 
the compact. The second one looks in the mirror and 
says, "You dummy, it's me!" 

-

A blonde suspects her boyfriend of cheating on her, so
she goes out and buys a gun. She goes to his apartment
unexpectedly and when she opens the door she finds him
in the arms of a redhead. Well, the blonde is really
angry. She opens her purse to take out the gun, and as
she does so, she is overcome with grief. She takes the
gun and puts it to her head. The boyfriend yells, "No,
honey, don't do it." The blonde replies, "Shut up,
you're next!" 

-

A blonde was bragging about her knowledge of state 
capitals. She proudly says, "Go ahead, ask me, I know 
all of them." A friend says, "Okay, what's the capital
of Wisconsin?" The blonde replies, "Oh, that's
easy...W".  

-

What did the blonde say to her doctor when he told her
she was pregnant? "Is it mine?" 

-

A young blonde was on vacation in the depths of
Louisiana. She wanted a pair of genuine alligator
shoes in the worst way, but was very reluctant to pay
the high prices the local vendors were asking. After
becoming very frustrated with the "no haggle" attitude
of one of the shopkeepers, the blonde said, "Maybe
I'll just go out and catch my own alligator so I can
get a pair of genuine alligator shoes at a reasonable
price!" The shopkeeper humored her, saying "By all
means, be my guest. Maybe you'll luck out and catch
yourself a really big one!" Determined, the blonde
turned and headed for the swamps, set on catching
herself an alligator. Later in the day, the shopkeeper
was driving home when he heard what sounded like a
shotgun being fired. He looked over by the nearby
swamp and spotted the young woman who had been in his
shop just a few hours earlier standing waist deep in
the water, shotgun in hand. The shopkeeper stopped his
car and began watching in amazement. Suddenly, he saw
a huge 11-foot alligator swimming quickly towards her.
She took aim, shot the creature and with a great deal
of effort hauled it onto the swamp bank. Laying nearby
were several more of the dead creatures. At this 
point, the shopkeeper decided to get out of his car
and approach the blonde. He asked, "What in the world
is going on here?" Just then, the blonde flipped the
11-foot alligator on its back and, frustrated, shouted
out, "This one isn't wearing any shoes either!" 

-

A beautiful young blonde New York woman was so
depressed that she decided to end her life by throwing
herself into the ocean. But just before she could
throw herself from the docks, a handsome young sailor
stopped her. "You have so much to live for," said the
sailor. "Look, I'm off to Europe soon, and I can stow
you away on my ship. I'll take care of you, bring you
food every day, and keep you happy." 

With nothing to lose, combined with the fact that she
had always wanted to go to Europe, the woman accepted.
That night the sailor brought her aboard and hid her in a lifeboat.
>From then on, every night he would bring her three sandwiches
and make love to her until dawn. 

Three weeks later she was discovered by the captain
during a routine inspection. 

"What are you doing here?" asked the captain. 

"I have an arrangement with one of