[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Ravi Yogi]

FFL Bitches stand up and acknowledge "maskedzebra", the "prodigal pimp"
of the TM movement, yet another pimp (egoist) in the parade of assembly
line of pimps here, jostling for enthrallment.
He's got the hottest and meanest whore (intellect), a whacky whore
indeed. Oooh he's so proud of it !! He demands a high price for it
!!!
Ravi Yogi's not falling for it, a pimp's a pimp, a whore's a whore, a
pimp fascinated with the whore, in a co-dependent relationship. No
thanks, he's staying home with his beloved.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra  wrote:
>
>
> e: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge
> MIU anti-saint? WTF! CDB
>
> CDB:Let's recap the "teaching". All humans have an innate capacity to
reach the
> ground of all being, the home of all the laws of nature, the source of
thought,
> the Self in a simple natural, innocent way. Through repeated exposure
to this
> level of life alternated by activity consisting of speaking in a soft
lilting
> voice and eating mountains of celebration cake you stabilize this
state of
> consciousness into a permanent state where you are functioning
according to all
> the laws spontaneously due to the need of the time or in accordance
with the
> dictates of movement lawyers.
>
> RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated
impeccably and infallibly that such a "ground of all being" even exists.
That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the embodiment of such
an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not
observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made
contact with such a fundamental form of reality. For me the "home of all
the laws of nature" is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, the EXPERIENCE
seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how wonderfully
convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of
everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an
extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's
'evolution' over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude:
THESE EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY.
There IS no such thing as Enlightenment.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> control of our security over this.  Those fucking Nebraskans should
> know that we are coming if they don't move those fucking
> fuel rods now.  This is bad.
> -Buck, in Iowa

Could the relationship between Nebraska and Iowa be *almost*
like that between, say, France and Germany??

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Mia (Sinatra) Allen' (Back in the Day)'...

[Robert]

Yes, but back in the day, this was about as good as it got...!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> Good find!  Although she seems to be somehwat prudish, compared to (say) 
> Lindsay Lohan.
> http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/37284.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
> >
> > Come on In, Mr. Peabody...
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Study Outlines Differences Among Types of Meditation

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
[...]
> While this and other studies are interesting, Rick,
> they mostly strike me as a little desperate and 
> a lot self-important.  A "researcher" doing research
> on something in which he has a vested interest?
> Hardly objective.  And also, after all this time--
> decades now--if there was anything significant
> going on it would be more than obvious by now.  
> Nevertheless, you seem to get a kick out of
> posting these, so carry on. :)
> 
> Sal
>

Eh, to my layman's mind, these are pretty obvious:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1600-0838.2009.01007.x/full
Higher psycho-physiological refinement in world-class Norwegian athletes: brain 
measures of performance capacity


http://www.tm.org/american-psychological-association
Abstract for the 2007 Conference of the American Psychological Association
Brain Integration Scale: Corroborating Language-based 
Instruments of 
Post-conventional Development

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12406612
Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative variation 
characterize the integration of transcendental and waking states.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19862565
A self-referential default brain state: patterns of coherence, power, and 
eLORETA sources during eyes-closed rest and Transcendental Meditation practice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10512549
Pure consciousness: distinct phenomenological and physiological correlates of 
"consciousness itself".

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.long
Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring 
During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911
Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9009807
Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: possible markers of 
Transcendental Consciousness.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487785
Autonomic and EEG patterns during eyes-closed rest and transcendental 
meditation (TM) practice: the basis for a neural model of TM practice.

[FairfieldLife] Eva refuses to hand over Stieg Larsson's manuscript

[Yifu]

Stieg Larsson's manuscript - in the hands of Eva Gabrielsson. She refuses to 
give it up. (he died in 2004). Bummer
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/BOOKS/Pix/pictures/2011/1/14/1295007830491/Eva-Gabrielsson-and-Stieg-007.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: New Study Outlines Differences Among Types of Meditation

[sparaig]

As I have pointed out to you before, almost all the TM research cited in the 
The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness was published before 1980, and the 
Transcendental Consciousness studies and Cosmic Consciousness studies cited 
below are definitely not evaluated:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1600-0838.2009.01007.x/full
Higher psycho-physiological refinement in world-class Norwegian athletes: brain 
measures of performance capacity


http://www.tm.org/american-psychological-association
Abstract for the 2007 Conference of the American Psychological Association
Brain Integration Scale: Corroborating Language-based 
Instruments of 
Post-conventional Development

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12406612
Patterns of EEG coherence, power, and contingent negative variation 
characterize the integration of transcendental and waking states.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19862565
A self-referential default brain state: patterns of coherence, power, and 
eLORETA sources during eyes-closed rest and Transcendental Meditation practice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10512549
Pure consciousness: distinct phenomenological and physiological correlates of 
"consciousness itself".

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/content/46/3/267.long
Electrophysiologic Characteristics of Respiratory Suspension Periods Occurring 
During the Practice of the Transcendental Meditation Program

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7045911
Breath suspension during the transcendental meditation technique.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9009807
Autonomic patterns during respiratory suspensions: possible markers of 
Transcendental Consciousness.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10487785
Autonomic and EEG patterns during eyes-closed rest and transcendental 
meditation (TM) practice: the basis for a neural model of TM practice.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 31, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
> 
> > The authors said that these findings shed light on the common  
> > mistake of lumping meditations together.
> >
> > "Meditations differ in both their ingredients and their effects,  
> > just as medicines do, so lumping them all together as 'essentially  
> > the same' is simply a mistake,' Dr. Shear said.
> >
> Z.
> 
> "Other relaxation techniques have led
> to the same EEG profile, and studies that
> employed counter-balanced control relaxation
> conditions consistently found a lack
> of alpha power increases or even decreases
> when comparing relaxation or hypnosis to
> TM meditation (Morse et al., 1977; Tebecis,
> 1975; Warrenburg, Pagano, Woods, &
> Hlastala, 1980). Similarly, the initial claim
> that TM produces a unique state of consciousness
> different from sleep has been
> refuted by several EEG meditation studies
> that reported sleep-like stages during this
> technique with increased alpha and then
> theta power (Pagano, Rose, Stivers, & Warrenburg,
> 1976; Younger, Adriance, & Berger,
> 1975)."
> 
> The Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > 
> > > > "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> > > > The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> > > > invisible."  - Oscar Wilde
> > > 
> > > That is a really fine quote from Wilde. Never heard it before.
> > 
> > Interestingly, the quote is from "The Picture of Dorian Gray."
> > It's something Lord Henry tells Gray after admiring Gray's
> > newly painted portrait, and it impresses Gray so deeply that
> > he decides beauty and sensual pleasure are the only things
> > worth pursuing in life.
> > 
> > Contemplating the prospect of losing his own beauty as he ages,
> > Gray jokingly declares he'd sell his soul if his portrait could
> > reflect his aging while he himself remained unchanged. After
> > his first forays into hedonistic self-indulgence, he finds that,
> > indeed, they are reflected in a coarsening of the portrait's
> > beauty but not in his own.
> > 
> > With this assurance, he proceeds to plunge into a life of
> > sociopathic debauchery, which ends 18 years later when he tries
> > to destroy the now-hideous portrait, succeeding instead in
> > killing himself.
> > 
> > In context, the quote has a rather different flavor than it
> > does in isolation.
> 
> You are right, it does have a different connotation in
> isolation. I must have actually read this before, or if it
> was used in the 1945 film with Hurd Hatfield and Angela
> Lansbury, I must have heard it before and forgotten it
> completely. Interesting that Turq quoted from  this source;
> had I remembered this, I might have responded differently,
> but I have no great memory for quotations.

"Famous quote" pages on the Web often give just the author's
name, not where the quote is from, so he may not have known.

> The film made from Wilde's novel was restored some years
> ago, the scenes showing the portrait were photographed in 
> Technicolor, while the rest of the film was black-and-white.

I remember seeing the film when I was quite young. Gave
me the creeps!

There was a later British version that starred John Gielgud
as Lord Henry. You'd think that would be a perfect bit of
casting, but I just watched a YouTube clip of the final
scenes, and they weren't very compelling for some reason,
oddly bloodless.

> I wonder where Turq keeps *his* portrait?

;-)

One way or another, I suppose we've all got one.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Deepak Chopra failed to prove existence of God to atheists

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anatol_zinc"  wrote:
>
> Deepak Chopra failed to prove existence of God to atheists 
> 
> I watched two videos of Deepak dialoging with atheists. 
> 
>
[...]
> So, just exploring here a bit;  would it not be more impressive if Deepak 
> could dialogue as follows:
> 
> ATHEIST:Can you prove to me the existence of God?
> 
AWAKENED:   Well, actually, no. But...
[starts floating 3 feet above the ground]

ATHEIST: OMG! That's some trick.

AWAKENED: It's not a trick.

ATHEIST: Yeah, right .

AWAKENED: Well, I've asked Mr James Randi by.

RANDI: Here's that check I promised.

AWAKENED: Thanks, just give it to the David Lynch Foundation.

ATHEIST: OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG...

AWAKENED: Please note that this still doesn't prove the existence of God. I'm 
doing this so you might want to check things out for yourself, rather than get 
into intellectual arguments with me about it.

ATHIEST: OMG OMG OMG OMG...

AWAKENED: Can I get you a glass of water?

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, azgrey  wrote:
>
> From what I hear Buck, those Cornhuskers don't much cotton 
> to sheep farmers, vastu or not.
>

Yep, they are just a bunch of cowboys. This though is serious business about 
homes, hearths and farms.  The cowboys and the farmers should be friends but, 
"Our rights we will defend".

https://sites.google.com/site/trailridingicelandichorses/home/shepherding-sheep
 
> Hope y'all fair better than the Hawkeye and Cyclone football
> teams have over the last, say, 120 years.
> 
> Nebraska-Iowa State series totals
> W 86, L 17, T 6
> 
> Nebraska-Iowa series record
> W 26, L 12, T 3
> 
> Prolly be a pretty sight seein' them cute lil ponies that look 
> like Justin Beiber carrying a calvary charge while the band plays
> a Gandharva Ved version of Garry Owen. Them cornschuckers 
> might just die of laughter and y'all can take Ft. Calhoun without 
> firing a shot.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > I say let's take them.  Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take 
> > control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst.  Evidently 
> > it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa.  Let's fix this 
> > fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do.  Jump the damn river there like a 
> > cyclone and take charge of matters. 
> > 
> > > 
> > > It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke 
> > > reactors in on our 
> > > borders with so little danger to themselves.  That's got to be set right. 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us,
> > > > force us to leave our homes.  It's a sorry dang day.
> > > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV 
> > > > > > news 
> > > > > > reports.  The article I put up for face value in case people wanted 
> > > > > > to 
> > > > > > dig further.  Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not 
> > > > > > identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint)  but the 
> > > > > > no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter 
> > > > > > mentions are 
> > > > > > curious.  Also there has been some funny stuff going on about 
> > > > > > Fukushima 
> > > > > > and radiation reports in the US.  I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want 
> > > > > > the 
> > > > > > sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money 
> > > > > > in 
> > > > > > nukes.  But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > > > > > I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that 
> > > > > > > Bhairitu posted. Just googled "Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant". The 
> > > > > > > Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. 
> > > > > > > Smells fishy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and 
> > > > > energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear 
> > > > > power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant 
> > > > > could probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are 
> > > > > off. The latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams:
> > > > > 
> > > > > "The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in 
> > > > > North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records 
> > > > > to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring 
> > > > > rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters.
> > > > > 
> > > > > With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that 
> > > > > could dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has 
> > > > > started to increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above 
> > > > > Pierre, South Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream."
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619
> > > > > 
> > > > > Arnie Gundersen Interview: "Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 
> > > > > & Getting Worse"
> > > > >  
> > > > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg
> > > > > 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8
> > > > > 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw
> > > > > 
> > > > > Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa:
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002&p=2605
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html
> > > > > 
> > > > > The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It 
> > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Megan Fox on Michael Bay and Hitler

[Yifu]

http://search.yahoo.com/search?cs=bz&p=Megan+Fox&fr=mail-tts&fr2=ps

[FairfieldLife] Re: Crucifixion: A Medical Perspective

[sparaig]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> The ultimate test of transcendence?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-EVfxABSoU&NR=1
>

"Lord, why have You forsaken me?"

Normal stresses don't force the enlightened ones out of pure consciousness, but 
starvation, beating and crucifixion? 


Hard to say...

L

[FairfieldLife] Toll Gate Saloon

[Yifu]

Black Hawk, Colorado, 1897
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49422.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Fate and cunning treachery of the Summa Rudis

[Yifu]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20110620/sc_livescience/romangladiatorsgravestonedescribesfatalfoul

[FairfieldLife] Judge Roy Bean holding Court

[Yifu]

Langtry, Texas; 1900
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/36972.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Mia (Sinatra) Allen' (Back in the Day)'...

[Yifu]

Good find!  Although she seems to be somehwat prudish, compared to (say) 
Lindsay Lohan.
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/4/37284.jpg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> Come on In, Mr. Peabody...
>

[FairfieldLife] Texas the Nexus...

[Robert]

Somehow, politically Texas always seems to come down on the side of strange 
ideas...

We had L.B.J. , George W. Bush, and now Rick Perry...

Each had a certain 'Facist Bent'...and each was successively worse...

Watch out for this one, Rick Perry, politically

We know whose side he is on...


(Black Gold, Texas Tea)  

Whose side will you be on?

Huh?

This is the time, when the 'Light' is seperating itself from the 'Dark'...

Lest we Forget...

"You can Serve the 'D-evil' or you can serve the 'Lord' 

But you're gonna have to serve somebody!"...

Bob Dylan

[FairfieldLife] 'Mia (Sinatra) Allen' (Back in the Day)'... [1 Attachment]

[Robert]

Come on In, Mr. Peabody...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol

[Yifu]

I wouldn't doubt it!...although Richard doesn't really know that much about 
Texas. There are indeed Texas prarie dogs:

http://www.meerkats.net/photos%20misc%20&%20close/groupstandingonhomemeerkat.org.jpg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> 
> Bethcha somewhere in that picture is grandaddy Williams.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
> >
> > 1888
> > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49977.jpg
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol

[seventhray1]

Bethcha somewhere in that picture is grandaddy Williams.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu"  wrote:
>
> 1888
> http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49977.jpg
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[seventhray1]

Sheesh.  Aint just the fuel rods melting down.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Those spent fuel rods are sitting in a pre-historic river-bottom flood
plain.
> That fucking Nebraska power company needs to get those
> fucking spent rods out of that pool and disposed of where
> they are not threatening Iowans or the nation's food supply.
>
> We are in a new normal. They need to fucking get moving.
> Or we git our Iowa National Guard moving and take
> control of our security over this. Those fucking Nebraskans should
> know that we are coming if they don't move those fucking
> fuel rods now. This is bad.
> -Buck, in Iowa
>
>
> > > >
> > > > Like, WTF they doing with all that spent nuke fuel sitting
> > > > there on the river anyway?
> > >
> > > It's not *on* the river, it's a good 30 feet above the
> > > level at which the river is likely to crest. From the
> > > article I linked to earlier (and that you have now read):
> > >
> >
> > Yeah right. And the battle cry from any Iowan is
> > "Remember Hancher Auditorium!"
> >
> > The 500 year flood that would likely never come?
> > http://www.kcrg.com/epicsurge
> >
> > > "Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet
> > > elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since
> > > then. The corps' projections place the river crest this
> > > summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006
> > > and 1,008 feet.
> > >
> > > "Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant
> > > to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a
> > > watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5
> > > feet elevation."
> > >
> > > Even if we get "extraordinary rains," they aren't going to
> > > raise the river to the level of the spent fuel pool.
> > >
> > > Storage of spent nuclear fuel is problematic all over the
> > > country, and in many cases the stored fuel is in a lot
> > > more precarious a situation than it is at Fort Calhoun.
> > >
> > > People need to educate themselves as to what the real
> > > dangers of nuclear power are and what can be done about
> > > them. Running around like decapitated chickens screaming
> > > about ignorant (and sometimes even malicious) scare stories
> > > only makes it easier for the nuclear industry and the
> > > government to dismiss the opposition as crackpots.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > They pretty effectively are threatening the whole Nation's
> > > > food supply, even if they don't respect the lives of Iowans.
> > > > Seems we've got our own would-be Islamic terrorists, and
> > > > they's Nebraskans.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[seventhray1]

>
> What is the issue about swimming at the reservoir?
>
> The city council has been concerned about the liability risk.
>

Ok, so garden variety liability.  Thanks

[FairfieldLife] Goddess of Liberty, Texas State Capitol

[Yifu]

1888
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/49977.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[Buck]

Those spent fuel rods are sitting in a pre-historic river-bottom flood plain.
That fucking Nebraska power company needs to get those
fucking spent rods out of that pool and disposed of where 
they are not threatening Iowans or the nation's food supply.

We are in a new normal.  They need to fucking get moving.
Or we git our Iowa National Guard moving and take
control of our security over this.  Those fucking Nebraskans should
know that we are coming if they don't move those fucking
fuel rods now.  This is bad.
-Buck, in Iowa


> > > 
> > > Like, WTF they doing with all that spent nuke fuel sitting
> > > there on the river anyway?
> > 
> > It's not *on* the river, it's a good 30 feet above the
> > level at which the river is likely to crest. From the
> > article I linked to earlier (and that you have now read):
> >
> 
> Yeah right.  And the battle cry from any Iowan is
> "Remember Hancher Auditorium!"
> 
> The 500 year flood that would likely never come?
>  http://www.kcrg.com/epicsurge 
>  
> > "Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet 
> > elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since
> > then. The corps' projections place the river crest this
> > summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006
> > and 1,008 feet.
> > 
> > "Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant
> > to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a
> > watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5
> > feet elevation."
> > 
> > Even if we get "extraordinary rains," they aren't going to
> > raise the river to the level of the spent fuel pool.
> > 
> > Storage of spent nuclear fuel is problematic all over the
> > country, and in many cases the stored fuel is in a lot
> > more precarious a situation than it is at Fort Calhoun.
> > 
> > People need to educate themselves as to what the real
> > dangers of nuclear power are and what can be done about
> > them. Running around like decapitated chickens screaming
> > about ignorant (and sometimes even malicious) scare stories
> > only makes it easier for the nuclear industry and the
> > government to dismiss the opposition as crackpots.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > They pretty effectively are threatening the whole Nation's
> > > food supply, even if they don't respect the lives of Iowans.
> > > Seems we've got our own would-be Islamic terrorists, and
> > > they's Nebraskans.
> >
>

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of seventhray1
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 9:46 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative
Carnival of Crazy

 

  

What is the issue about swimming at the reservoir?

The city council has been concerned about the liability risk. 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > 
> > Like, WTF they doing with all that spent nuke fuel sitting
> > there on the river anyway?
> 
> It's not *on* the river, it's a good 30 feet above the
> level at which the river is likely to crest. From the
> article I linked to earlier (and that you have now read):
>

Yeah right.  And the battle cry from any Iowan is
"Remember Hancher Auditorium!"

The 500 year flood that would likely never come?
 http://www.kcrg.com/epicsurge 
 
> "Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet 
> elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since
> then. The corps' projections place the river crest this
> summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006
> and 1,008 feet.
> 
> "Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant
> to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a
> watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5
> feet elevation."
> 
> Even if we get "extraordinary rains," they aren't going to
> raise the river to the level of the spent fuel pool.
> 
> Storage of spent nuclear fuel is problematic all over the
> country, and in many cases the stored fuel is in a lot
> more precarious a situation than it is at Fort Calhoun.
> 
> People need to educate themselves as to what the real
> dangers of nuclear power are and what can be done about
> them. Running around like decapitated chickens screaming
> about ignorant (and sometimes even malicious) scare stories
> only makes it easier for the nuclear industry and the
> government to dismiss the opposition as crackpots.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > They pretty effectively are threatening the whole Nation's
> > food supply, even if they don't respect the lives of Iowans.
> > Seems we've got our own would-be Islamic terrorists, and
> > they's Nebraskans.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[feste37]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
> > > aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
> > > might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
> > > seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
> > > who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
> > > anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
> > > if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.
> > 
> > I see that Judy has already responded to your post on 
> > 'spiritual maturity'. I am glad you have responded with 
> > something here, not taking oneself seriously and laughing 
> > at oneself are good traits, but I really think, after 
> > having been on this forum for a few months now, that 
> > people want to see something more from you than this...
> 
> People on this forum can go suck eggs.
> 
> > ...something not quite so on the surface, as this is rather 
> > a commonplace assessment. 
> 
> The surface is all there is. Only those with something
> to hide have "hidden layers."  :-)
> 
> > Admittedly the TMO has a great deal of difficulty laughing 
> > at itself...
> 
> As do long-term TMers.
> 
> > ...and its seriousness would sink the Titanic faster than 
> > an iceberg, so in TMO years that is light-years of 
> > advancement in your case. 
> > 
> > Enlightenment is a strange beast, what-you-see-is-what-
> > you-get, rather than what you think is what is real...
> 
> See above. The surface is all there is.
> 
> "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> invisible."  - Oscar Wilde


He says the same thing his essay, "The Critic as Artist": "Who . . . would 
exchange the curve of a single rose-leaf for that formless intangible Being 
which Plato raises so high?" (He attributes the thought to Walter Pater.) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

"We have also found in other studies that in the geographic vicinity of such a 
meditating group, people experienced physiological changes—increased EEG 
coherence, reduced plasma cortisol, increased blood levels of serotonin, 
biochemical changes, and neurophysiological changes—as if they were meditating."


>
> Noontime Tuesday group meditation at Divine Mother Church on the Fairfield 
> square makes a real nice drop-in 'collective' transcendent meditation.  
> Effortless transcending.
> 
> >
> > 
> > The Circle of Sophia makes a nice transcendent group meditation on Thursday 
> > nites.
> > 
> > >
> > > There's also the daily group meditations at the Full Spectrum Center in 
> > > Fairfield.  They are very nice as group meditations.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > "..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th 
> > > > at 7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 
> > > > 9pm." 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > > > > > be good for the collective.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > > > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > > > > > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > > > > > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Om Dear Turq,  you have no idea.
-Buck

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing next season?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wayback71
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 7:13 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing next season?

 

 Thanks, I just heard from someone that the next season is about a different
murder, but I was hoping to get some resolution on this one. We will have to
wait and see, I guess. Good show.

 

I'll be disappointed if they don't try to resolve this one. It was
definitely left hanging, and Sarah Linden isn't going to brush off the fact
that Holder submitted doctored photos.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[seventhray1]

What is the issue about swimming at the resovoir?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
>
> Speaking of at your own risk, I'm told that's how the reservoir got
> reopened. Signs saying swim at your own risk.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM, do.rflex do.rflex@... wrote:
>
> >
> > From Tom Tomorrow
> >
> > Take a look (click to enlarge):
> > http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-06-22colorlowres.jpg
> >
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[seventhray1]

This might help.

http://www.appleseeds.org/Cowboy_10-Commands.htm


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> I get emails all the time from a guy who puts "In God We Trust" in big
red
> letters at the bottoms of them. Most of them are political things
which a
> quick search on Snopes reveals to be complete fabrications. Seems
rather
> ironic to me, since the 9th commandment is "You shall not bear false
witness
> against your neighbor." Doesn't that mean don't lie?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing next season?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/20/2011 05:37 PM, wayback71 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>>> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
>>> On Behalf Of wayback71
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:57 PM
>>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Someone help me out here - I just saw the last episode. Is the story of the
>>> same murder going to continue next season? Or is this story ended and a new
>>> murder and story going to begin next?
>>>
>>> Same case continued it seems to me.
>>>
>>> I can't figure out if Darren Richmond is guilty or was framed.
>>>
>>> I don't think we're supposed to know for sure. It looks like he was framed,
>>> but it seems more complex than that.
>>>
>> Thanks, I just heard from someone that the next season is about a different 
>> murder, but I was hoping to get some resolution on this one.  We will have 
>> to wait and see, I guess.  Good show.
>>
> I just read that Holder's final words as he got into the car were, "Photo 
> worked.  He 's going down."  I was not sure if he said that to his fellow 
> partner in framing Richmond, or something different to his AA sponsor.

His fellow partner was apparently on the plane landing in Oakland.   
Folks who've seen the Danish series have suggested that the writers 
might even detour and make a different character the murderer than what 
was in the original series.  It's sort of set up so they can do that.

The Danish series was shown in 2007 so I don't understand why it has 
been off the market here in the US.  They've already run season 2 and 
are getting ready for season 3.  I suspect most of the people who 
watched it in the US downloaded the torrents.  Seems to me there would 
be enough demand to at least get it on Netflix.  The Danish title is 
"Forbrydelsen" is you want to do a search.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/8362146/BBC-Four-buys-second-series-of-The-Killing.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> 
> > > "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> > > The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> > > invisible."  - Oscar Wilde
> > 
> > That is a really fine quote from Wilde. Never heard it before.
> 
> Interestingly, the quote is from "The Picture of Dorian Gray."
> It's something Lord Henry tells Gray after admiring Gray's
> newly painted portrait, and it impresses Gray so deeply that
> he decides beauty and sensual pleasure are the only things
> worth pursuing in life.
> 
> Contemplating the prospect of losing his own beauty as he ages,
> Gray jokingly declares he'd sell his soul if his portrait could
> reflect his aging while he himself remained unchanged. After
> his first forays into hedonistic self-indulgence, he finds that,
> indeed, they are reflected in a coarsening of the portrait's
> beauty but not in his own.
> 
> With this assurance, he proceeds to plunge into a life of
> sociopathic debauchery, which ends 18 years later when he tries
> to destroy the now-hideous portrait, succeeding instead in
> killing himself.
> 
> In context, the quote has a rather different flavor than it
> does in isolation.

You are right, it does have a different connotation in isolation. I must have 
actually read this before, or if it was used in the 1945 film with Hurd 
Hatfield and Angela Lansbury, I must have heard it before and forgotten it 
completely. Interesting that Turq quoted from  this source; had I remembered 
this, I might have responded differently, but I have no great memory for 
quotations. The film made from Wilde's novel was restored some years ago, the 
scenes showing the portrait were photographed in Technicolor, while the rest of 
the film was black-and-white.

I wonder where Turq keeps *his* portrait?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

"It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.
The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the
invisible." - Oscar Wilde


Excellent quote!


>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
> > > aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
> > > might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
> > > seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
> > > who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
> > > anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
> > > if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.
> > 
> > I see that Judy has already responded to your post on 
> > 'spiritual maturity'. I am glad you have responded with 
> > something here, not taking oneself seriously and laughing 
> > at oneself are good traits, but I really think, after 
> > having been on this forum for a few months now, that 
> > people want to see something more from you than this...
> 
> People on this forum can go suck eggs.
> 
> > ...something not quite so on the surface, as this is rather 
> > a commonplace assessment. 
> 
> The surface is all there is. Only those with something
> to hide have "hidden layers."  :-)
> 
> > Admittedly the TMO has a great deal of difficulty laughing 
> > at itself...
> 
> As do long-term TMers.
> 
> > ...and its seriousness would sink the Titanic faster than 
> > an iceberg, so in TMO years that is light-years of 
> > advancement in your case. 
> > 
> > Enlightenment is a strange beast, what-you-see-is-what-
> > you-get, rather than what you think is what is real...
> 
> See above. The surface is all there is.
> 
> "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> invisible."  - Oscar Wilde
> 
> > ...but that it-is-as-it-is quality has a peculiar depth 
> > to it, and I think those on this forum, particularly those 
> > that like you for target practice, would like to see you 
> > express yourself more from an inward perspective, rather 
> > than the gloss that generally shows in your writing. That 
> > is just my 0.5 cents.
> 
> I find myself repeating myself far too much when replying
> to your posts. The people on this forum can go suck eggs.
>

[FairfieldLife] Mushroom treatments

[Yifu]

http://www.tinyurl.com/3tsvbm5

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liyhd8zUce1qc01tho1_500.jpg

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[richardjwilliamstexas]

do.rflex:
> Take a look
>

[FairfieldLife] 'Open and Shut Case'... [1 Attachment]

[Robert]

 
'Sirens blast in the distance...
 
Keep your wits about you...
 
This doesn't seem like Kansas, anymore...'

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing next season?

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wayback71"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of wayback71
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:57 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > Someone help me out here - I just saw the last episode. Is the story of the
> > same murder going to continue next season? Or is this story ended and a new
> > murder and story going to begin next? 
> > 
> > Same case continued it seems to me.
> > 
> > I can't figure out if Darren Richmond is guilty or was framed.
> > 
> > I don't think we're supposed to know for sure. It looks like he was framed,
> > but it seems more complex than that.
> >
> 
> Thanks, I just heard from someone that the next season is about a different 
> murder, but I was hoping to get some resolution on this one.  We will have to 
> wait and see, I guess.  Good show.
>
I just read that Holder's final words as he got into the car were, "Photo 
worked.  He 's going down."  I was not sure if he said that to his fellow 
partner in framing Richmond, or something different to his AA sponsor. 

[FairfieldLife] 'Open and Shut Case'... [1 Attachment]

[Robert]

Innocent Groupie, or something more sinister...
 
Siren's Blasts...Burns the Soul...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: The Killing next season?

[wayback71]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of wayback71
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:57 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?
> 
>  
> 
>   
> 
> Someone help me out here - I just saw the last episode. Is the story of the
> same murder going to continue next season? Or is this story ended and a new
> murder and story going to begin next? 
> 
> Same case continued it seems to me.
> 
> I can't figure out if Darren Richmond is guilty or was framed.
> 
> I don't think we're supposed to know for sure. It looks like he was framed,
> but it seems more complex than that.
>

Thanks, I just heard from someone that the next season is about a different 
murder, but I was hoping to get some resolution on this one.  We will have to 
wait and see, I guess.  Good show.

RE: [FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of wayback71
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 6:57 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?

 

  

Someone help me out here - I just saw the last episode. Is the story of the
same murder going to continue next season? Or is this story ended and a new
murder and story going to begin next? 

Same case continued it seems to me.

I can't figure out if Darren Richmond is guilty or was framed.

I don't think we're supposed to know for sure. It looks like he was framed,
but it seems more complex than that.

 

[FairfieldLife] The Killing next season?

[wayback71]

Someone help me out here - I just saw the last episode.  Is the story of the 
same murder going to continue next season?  Or is this story ended and a new 
murder and story going to begin next?  I can't figure out if Darren Richmond is 
guilty or was framed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maher: Could the GOP Field for President get any Lamer? Meet Rick Perry

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > > Could the GOP Field for President get any
> > > Lamer?
> > >
> > Obviously you like high gas prices and out of
> > control Washington spending!
> >
> > Oh yeah, Rick Perry - isn't he the guy that
> > balanced the budget in Texas without raising
> > taxes? The governor that created 47.8% of all
> > the jobs created in the U.S.A. in the last two
> > years?
> >
do.rflex:
> And in Texas, what works is to swagger around 
> like a tough guy...
>
You sound really prejudiced AND scared! But it's 
not like you live in the U.S. or vote or anything,
right? 

Why not get some smarts and read a book for a 
change, instead of just watching Maher on TV? 

"The most interesting part of Rick Perry's book is 
the chapter 'Why States Matter,' which argues for 
states as the laboratory of policy innovation..." 

http://tinyurl.com/3w8hmc3

'Fed Up!'
Our Fight to Save America from Washington
By Rick Perry
Little, Brown and Company, 2010

> > 'First Reading: Rick Perry's good weekend'
> > Austin American-Statesman
> > http://tinyurl.com/3unyo67
> >

[FairfieldLife] Gauging Obama’s support at Netroots Nation

[do.rflex]

One of the more notable discussions at this year's Netroots Nation 
conference was when White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer sat
down with Daily Kos' Kaili Joy Gray. Pfeiffer joked about going into
"the lion's den," but even he probably wasn't prepared
for the pushback  from the left.

At times, the discussion was uncomfortably hostile — Pfeiffer was 
even booed at one point — and reinforced the notion that President
Obama  faces serious and widespread discontent among many on the left.

It also made these  results
  unexpected.

Despite their grousing about the administration during  the Netroots
Nation conference, liberal activists and bloggers are  relatively happy
with President Barack Obama's performance.

A straw poll conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research  showed that
80 percent either approve or strongly approve of the  president more
than a year before voters head to the polls to decide  whether he
deserves a second term. The results broke down to 27 percent  strongly
approving of Obama and 53 percent approving "somewhat." 
Thirteen percent said they "somewhat disapprove," and 7 percent
strongly  disapprove of the president.

I wasn't at the conference this year, but based solely on reports 
from those who were there, I wouldn't have expected the
president's  support to be nearly this high among attendees.

This is not to say that liberal discontent with Obama is a myth.  Those
attendees jeering Pfeiffer on Friday weren't just kidding; they 
were expressing anger, frustration, and at times, pure contempt.

The question is one about numbers. GQR Research found roughly four  out
of five NN attendees still support the president, while Gallup shows 
Obama's standing with the Democratic base a little higher than that.

For all the talk about Obama's base abandoning him, the evidence to 
support this is shaky, at best. The discontent is real, but it
doesn't  appear to be wide or deep, at least not at this point.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_06/gauging_obamas\
_support_at_netr030370.php

Re: [FairfieldLife] iPhone "killer"? Naah...

[Bhairitu]

On 06/20/2011 02:27 PM, cardemaister wrote:
> http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/nokia-n9-first-press-shots
>
>

Gotta run hard to keep up with Android.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maher: Could the GOP Field for President get any Lamer? Meet Rick Perry

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardjwilliamstexas"
 wrote:
>
>
>
> do.rflex:
> > Could the GOP Field for President get any
> > Lamer?
> >
> Obviously you like high gas prices and out of
> control Washington spending!
>
> Oh yeah, Rick Perry - isn't he the guy that
> balanced the budget in Texas without raising
> taxes? The governor that created 47.8% of all
> the jobs created in the U.S.A. in the last two
> years?
>
> 'First Reading: Rick Perry's good weekend'
> Austin American-Statesman
> http://tinyurl.com/3unyo67
>


Just in case Rick Perry does get in the race, you wanna read  this
 .  Here's a funny excerpt:

And in Texas, what works is to swagger around like a  tough guy,
propagating a barely literate reading of the United States 
Constitution, and pretend to hate the federal government. And you rail 
about the rights that have been taken away, without being able to name 
one. And you publicly entertain having your state secede from the United
States, and issue dire warnings about the galloping socialism in the 
land, and rage at the federal stimulus package and make a show of 
refusing to accept any of it, while quietly taking a cool $28 billion.
It is the refuge of a scoundrel to pretend to hate government, and 
further, to lie about the role that the American government — the 
richest and most powerful force for good in the long story of humanity
—  has played in the creation of the most profound economic engine
ever,  the America middle class. Notions of American greatness are
inextricably  intertwined with the American government, and anyone who
claims that  the government has only been an impediment to American
progress is a  liar, a fool, a rank opportunist, or a combination of the
three.

Also, too, I did not realize that Gov. Perry signed a resolution calling
on all Texans to pray for rain.  That is so awesome.


http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/6/19/125552/820

Re: [FairfieldLife] iPhone "killer"? Naah...

[Tom Pall]

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 5:27 PM, cardemaister wrote:

>
> http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/nokia-n9-first-press-shots
>
>
>
No Maha Vastu cream colored?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > > Where do you get this stuff? Maharishi was speaking in 
> > > their 'hood, that's all. As I remember it a friend of 
> > > Patty Boyd's had heard of him and they went to see him 
> > > speak. Maharishi had made nothing "fashionable" because 
> > > at that point almost no one had heard of him.
> > 
> > And after the few weeks that summer,
> >
Mike Love of the Beach Boys, Jorma Kaukownen of the Jefferson 
Airplane, Ray Manzerek, John Densmore and guitarist Robby 
Krieger of the Doors, Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead, and Billy 
Gibbons od ZZ Top, all were initiated before the Beatles met 
MMY at Bangor, Wales in August of 1967. The Beatles were with 
MMY at Rishikesh from February-March 1968.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maher: Could the GOP Field for President get any Lamer? Meet Rick Perry

[richardjwilliamstexas]

do.rflex:
> Could the GOP Field for President get any 
> Lamer? 
>
Obviously you like high gas prices and out of 
control Washington spending!

Oh yeah, Rick Perry - isn't he the guy that
balanced the budget in Texas without raising
taxes? The governor that created 47.8% of all 
the jobs created in the U.S.A. in the last two 
years?

'First Reading: Rick Perry's good weekend'
Austin American-Statesman
http://tinyurl.com/3unyo67

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

Noontime Tuesday group meditation at Divine Mother Church on the Fairfield 
square makes a real nice drop-in 'collective' transcendent meditation.  
Effortless transcending.

>
> 
> The Circle of Sophia makes a nice transcendent group meditation on Thursday 
> nites.
> 
> >
> > There's also the daily group meditations at the Full Spectrum Center in 
> > Fairfield.  They are very nice as group meditations.
> > 
> > >
> > > "..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th 
> > > at 7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 9pm." 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > > > > be good for the collective.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > > > > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > > > > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[Tom Pall]

Speaking of at your own risk, I'm told that's how the reservoir got
reopened.  Signs saying swim at your own risk.

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:08 PM, do.rflex  wrote:

>
> From Tom Tomorrow
>
> Take a look (click to enlarge):
> http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-06-22colorlowres.jpg
>
>
>

[FairfieldLife] iPhone "killer"? Naah...

[cardemaister]

http://pocketnow.com/smartphone-news/nokia-n9-first-press-shots

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

The Circle of Sophia makes a nice transcendent group meditation on Thursday 
nites.

>
> There's also the daily group meditations at the Full Spectrum Center in 
> Fairfield.  They are very nice as group meditations.
> 
> 
> >
> > "..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th at 
> > 7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 9pm." 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not fair dude - The infrastructure problems the US faces are way bigger 
> > > than what the Dutch are doing. What the Dutch are doing is amazing and 
> > > revolutionary from an engineering perspective, but it remains one BIG 
> > > project - keeping the North Sea from coming in. Anything but trivial, 
> > > however compared in scale to what goes on in the US to maintain 300 
> > > million souls, we do pretty well too.
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > > > be good for the collective.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > If meditation is so good for the individual, and
> > > > you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
> > > > seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
> > > > outrage over those problems?
> > > > 
> > > > Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
> > > > who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
> > > > the rest of American society. 
> > > > 
> > > > It also seems to me that if meditation did something
> > > > beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
> > > > be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
> > > > two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
> > > > Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
> > > > nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
> > > > fix things for them.
> > > > 
> > > > I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
> > > > lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
> > > > to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
> > > > ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
> > > > pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
> > > > and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
> > > > "collective" that seems to have something going for 
> > > > it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
> > > > so much.
> > > > 
> > > > We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
> > > > Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
> > > > and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
> > > > "creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
> > > > but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.
> > > > 
> > > > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > > > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > > > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >

> > "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> > The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> > invisible."  - Oscar Wilde
> 
> That is a really fine quote from Wilde. Never heard it before.

Interestingly, the quote is from "The Picture of Dorian Gray."
It's something Lord Henry tells Gray after admiring Gray's
newly painted portrait, and it impresses Gray so deeply that
he decides beauty and sensual pleasure are the only things
worth pursuing in life.

Contemplating the prospect of losing his own beauty as he ages,
Gray jokingly declares he'd sell his soul if his portrait could
reflect his aging while he himself remained unchanged. After
his first forays into hedonistic self-indulgence, he finds that,
indeed, they are reflected in a coarsening of the portrait's
beauty but not in his own.

With this assurance, he proceeds to plunge into a life of
sociopathic debauchery, which ends 18 years later when he tries
to destroy the now-hideous portrait, succeeding instead in
killing himself.

In context, the quote has a rather different flavor than it
does in isolation.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight

[Bhairitu]

On 06/20/2011 09:39 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Bhairitu
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:17 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight
>
>
>
>   And for another show I haven't hit the message boards yet to see how
> "The Killing" season one finale played out for others but I bet there
> was much disappointment.
>
>
>
> I wasn't disappointed. I didn't even know there was going to be a season 2,
> so I thought the whole plot was wrapping up. The final few seconds left me
> complete in suspense and eager to see the next season.

Many of the folks on the message board were disappointed.  Some have 
seen the Danish version which was twenty 50-minute episodes.  They 
wrapped up the crime in it.  They also shot in sequence so the actors 
didn't know where the story was going and actor playing the killer 
didn't even know until they shot the ending.  The Danish version is 
available from Amazon in the UK as Region 2 DVDs but not in the US.  I'm 
wondering if the Danish version will be released in the US now that the 
AMC first season has finished.  Of course one can probably get it Turq 
style too.

Also feelings about "Falling Skies" ran about the same as mine too.

At least FX has a new season of "Louie" starting this Thursday.  I 
didn't care much for his HBO series but the FX season one was really 
funny.  Also a new season of "Burn Notice" starts on USA this Thursday.  
I'm also looking forward to the final season of "Rescue Me" on FX.  It's 
a show you have to acquire a taste for but a great vehicle for the 
actors and they do a superb job.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

There's also the daily group meditations at the Full Spectrum Center in 
Fairfield.  They are very nice as group meditations.


>
> "..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th at 
> 7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 9pm." 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
> >
> > Not fair dude - The infrastructure problems the US faces are way bigger 
> > than what the Dutch are doing. What the Dutch are doing is amazing and 
> > revolutionary from an engineering perspective, but it remains one BIG 
> > project - keeping the North Sea from coming in. Anything but trivial, 
> > however compared in scale to what goes on in the US to maintain 300 million 
> > souls, we do pretty well too.
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > > be good for the collective.
> > > > 
> > > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > If meditation is so good for the individual, and
> > > you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
> > > seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
> > > outrage over those problems?
> > > 
> > > Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
> > > who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
> > > the rest of American society. 
> > > 
> > > It also seems to me that if meditation did something
> > > beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
> > > be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
> > > two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
> > > Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
> > > nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
> > > fix things for them.
> > > 
> > > I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
> > > lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
> > > to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
> > > ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
> > > pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
> > > and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
> > > "collective" that seems to have something going for 
> > > it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
> > > so much.
> > > 
> > > We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
> > > Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
> > > and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
> > > "creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
> > > but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.
> > > 
> > > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

"..we will meet for a guided group heart meditation on monday june 20th at 
7:30pm.  please plan to be on time so that we can finish before 9pm." 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"  wrote:
>
> Not fair dude - The infrastructure problems the US faces are way bigger than 
> what the Dutch are doing. What the Dutch are doing is amazing and 
> revolutionary from an engineering perspective, but it remains one BIG project 
> - keeping the North Sea from coming in. Anything but trivial, however 
> compared in scale to what goes on in the US to maintain 300 million souls, we 
> do pretty well too.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > > be good for the collective.
> > > 
> > > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> > 




> > If meditation is so good for the individual, and
> > you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
> > seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
> > outrage over those problems?
> > 
> > Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
> > who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
> > the rest of American society. 
> > 
> > It also seems to me that if meditation did something
> > beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
> > be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
> > two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
> > Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
> > nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
> > fix things for them.
> > 
> > I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
> > lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
> > to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
> > ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
> > pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
> > and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
> > "collective" that seems to have something going for 
> > it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
> > so much.
> > 
> > We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
> > Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
> > and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
> > "creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
> > but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.
> > 
> > When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> > "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> > problem you bitch about than its solution.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> I get emails all the time from a guy who puts "In God We Trust" in big red
> letters at the bottoms of them. Most of them are political things which a
> quick search on Snopes reveals to be complete fabrications. Seems rather
> ironic to me, since the 9th commandment is "You shall not bear false witness
> against your neighbor." Doesn't that mean don't lie?
>


"Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of 
you Christians are so unlike your Christ." 

~~ Mahatma Ghandi 

RE: [FairfieldLife] How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[Rick Archer]

I get emails all the time from a guy who puts "In God We Trust" in big red
letters at the bottoms of them. Most of them are political things which a
quick search on Snopes reveals to be complete fabrications. Seems rather
ironic to me, since the 9th commandment is "You shall not bear false witness
against your neighbor." Doesn't that mean don't lie?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> > >
> > > If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
> > > aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
> > > might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
> > > seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
> > > who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
> > > anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
> > > if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.
> > 
> > I see that Judy has already responded to your post on 
> > 'spiritual maturity'. I am glad you have responded with 
> > something here, not taking oneself seriously and laughing 
> > at oneself are good traits, but I really think, after 
> > having been on this forum for a few months now, that 
> > people want to see something more from you than this...
> 
> People on this forum can go suck eggs.
> 
> > ...something not quite so on the surface, as this is rather 
> > a commonplace assessment. 
> 
> The surface is all there is. Only those with something
> to hide have "hidden layers."  :-)
> 
> > Admittedly the TMO has a great deal of difficulty laughing 
> > at itself...
> 
> As do long-term TMers.
> 
> > ...and its seriousness would sink the Titanic faster than 
> > an iceberg, so in TMO years that is light-years of 
> > advancement in your case. 
> > 
> > Enlightenment is a strange beast, what-you-see-is-what-
> > you-get, rather than what you think is what is real...
> 
> See above. The surface is all there is.
> 
> "It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
> The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
> invisible."  - Oscar Wilde

That is a really fine quote from Wilde. Never heard it before.

"It is not how the world is, but that it is, that is mystical." - Ludwig 
Wittegenstein
> 
> > ...but that it-is-as-it-is quality has a peculiar depth 
> > to it, and I think those on this forum, particularly those 
> > that like you for target practice, would like to see you 
> > express yourself more from an inward perspective, rather 
> > than the gloss that generally shows in your writing. That 
> > is just my 0.5 cents.
> 
> I find myself repeating myself far too much when replying
> to your posts. The people on this forum can go suck eggs.

All we ever do throughout our lives is repeat over and over. Everything is the 
same thing (unity), so talking about existence forever is repetitive. And it 
gets worse with the dawn of spiritual maturity. Ah, for the good old days when 
we knew more.

Enjoy your egg. I'll have mine tomorrow.

Re: [FairfieldLife] How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[Bhairitu]

On 06/20/2011 10:00 AM, Vaj wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
>
>> Vaj, do you really want to go there?
>
> How can you not? Christo-fascists are destroying this country with
> their wars of foreign aggression, draining our economy, while the
> rich get tax cuts and the needy get their services cut. Christian
> terrorists bomb our family planning clinics, shoot members of the few
> open-mind churches left and listen to a recovering synthetic heroin
> addict as their hero!
>
> Apparently there was a major typo in the New Testament. It should
> have read "the wealthy will inherit the earth, the meek will have
> their healthcare and food stamps taken away."

This was an unusual morning for me at Starbucks.  First a homeless man 
asked me if I knew of any contracting jobs.  He does painting jobs and 
then we got into a conversation about the economy, etc.  Then a military 
retiree who happened to be sitting nearby and hearing the conversation 
joined us.  From his POV I could tell the homeless guy had more a 
liberal outlook and on some issues the military retiree was a bit 
conservative though about the only thing we disagreed on was taxation.  
He still had the POV that one should be able to keep all the money they 
earn and I argue they owe something back because part of them being able 
to accumulate that much wealth had to do with the country they were 
living in and the opportunities people had that were publicly funded.

Of course the real reason I support progressive income taxes is because 
it keeps people from accumulating absurd amounts of wealth where if they 
sneeze hundreds or thousands may lose their jobs.  Of course he comes 
back arguing the philanthropy of Bill Gates and I argue back because 
they get tax breaks for that and that the rich were doing that even in 
the 50s and 60s when we had progressive taxation.

Both of these guys professed to being "Christians" but then I suspect 
the homeless guy just said so.  I didn't tell them I am a "tantric". :-D

But it was a quite a conversation that went on for about an hour on a 
number topics and I'm not used to that because people usually keep to 
themselves around here.

And on the Christian then some of the "conspiracy" folks like Alex Jones 
who profess to be Christian complain about the foreign wars.  In fact 
even the military retiree I was chatting with complained about it.  So 
sometimes I guess it depends on what the meaning of "Christian" is.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
> > aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
> > might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
> > seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
> > who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
> > anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
> > if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.
> 
> I see that Judy has already responded to your post on 
> 'spiritual maturity'. I am glad you have responded with 
> something here, not taking oneself seriously and laughing 
> at oneself are good traits, but I really think, after 
> having been on this forum for a few months now, that 
> people want to see something more from you than this...

People on this forum can go suck eggs.

> ...something not quite so on the surface, as this is rather 
> a commonplace assessment. 

The surface is all there is. Only those with something
to hide have "hidden layers."  :-)

> Admittedly the TMO has a great deal of difficulty laughing 
> at itself...

As do long-term TMers.

> ...and its seriousness would sink the Titanic faster than 
> an iceberg, so in TMO years that is light-years of 
> advancement in your case. 
> 
> Enlightenment is a strange beast, what-you-see-is-what-
> you-get, rather than what you think is what is real...

See above. The surface is all there is.

"It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances.  
The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the 
invisible."  - Oscar Wilde

> ...but that it-is-as-it-is quality has a peculiar depth 
> to it, and I think those on this forum, particularly those 
> that like you for target practice, would like to see you 
> express yourself more from an inward perspective, rather 
> than the gloss that generally shows in your writing. That 
> is just my 0.5 cents.

I find myself repeating myself far too much when replying
to your posts. The people on this forum can go suck eggs.

[FairfieldLife] Russian and Vedic Sanskrit

[cardemaister]

*IMO*, Russian is amongst those Indo-European languages
that has amazing vibrational power most resembling that of Vedic
Sanskrit!

A randomly chosen example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOqf7-Uetr4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

> If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
> aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
> might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
> seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
> who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
> anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
> if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.

I see that Judy has already responded to your post on 'spiritual maturity'. I 
am glad you have responded with something here, not taking oneself seriously 
and laughing at oneself are good traits, but I really think, after having been 
on this forum for a few months now, that people want to see something more from 
you than this, something not quite so on the surface, as this is rather a 
commonplace assessment. Admittedly the TMO has a great deal of difficulty 
laughing at itself, and its seriousness would sink the Titanic faster than an 
iceberg, so in TMO years that is light-years of advancement in your case. 

Enlightenment is a strange beast, what-you-see-is-what-you-get, rather than 
what you think is what is real, but that it-is-as-it-is quality has a peculiar 
depth to it, and I think those on this forum, particularly those that like you 
for target practice, would like to see you express yourself more from an inward 
perspective, rather than the gloss that generally shows in your writing. That 
is just my 0.5 cents.

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[azgrey]

>From what I hear Buck, those Cornhuskers don't much cotton 
to sheep farmers, vastu or not.

Hope y'all fair better than the Hawkeye and Cyclone football
teams have over the last, say, 120 years.

Nebraska-Iowa State series totals
W 86, L 17, T 6

Nebraska-Iowa series record
W 26, L 12, T 3

Prolly be a pretty sight seein' them cute lil ponies that look 
like Justin Beiber carrying a calvary charge while the band plays
a Gandharva Ved version of Garry Owen. Them cornschuckers 
might just die of laughter and y'all can take Ft. Calhoun without 
firing a shot.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> I say let's take them.  Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's take 
> control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst.  Evidently 
> it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa.  Let's fix this fucker 
> like Hawkeyes know how to do.  Jump the damn river there like a cyclone and 
> take charge of matters. 
> 
> > 
> > It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their nuke 
> > reactors in on our 
> > borders with so little danger to themselves.  That's got to be set right.  
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us,
> > > force us to leave our homes.  It's a sorry dang day.
> > > -Buck
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would suggest watching the video because it contains local TV news 
> > > > > reports.  The article I put up for face value in case people wanted 
> > > > > to 
> > > > > dig further.  Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales (and not 
> > > > > identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint)  but the 
> > > > > no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter mentions 
> > > > > are 
> > > > > curious.  Also there has been some funny stuff going on about 
> > > > > Fukushima 
> > > > > and radiation reports in the US.  I'm sure the guvmint doesn't want 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells money in 
> > > > > nukes.  But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. ;-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > > > > I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube that 
> > > > > > Bhairitu posted. Just googled "Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant". The 
> > > > > > Reuters article and another one were what I was referring to. 
> > > > > > Smells fishy.
> > > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer and 
> > > > energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former nuclear power 
> > > > industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun nuclear plant could 
> > > > probably hold as it is now but if a damn breaks, all bets are off. The 
> > > > latest Reuters reports on water releases from dams:
> > > > 
> > > > "The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams in 
> > > > North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled prior records 
> > > > to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall 
> > > > at the river's Montana headwaters.
> > > > 
> > > > With severe storms expected over the next four or five days that could 
> > > > dump up to 4 inches of rain in some areas, the Corps has started to 
> > > > increase flows by nearly 7 percent at the Oahe Dam above Pierre, South 
> > > > Dakota's capital, and the Big Bend Dam just downstream."
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/19/us-flooding-plains-idUSTRE75H1SX20110619
> > > > 
> > > > Arnie Gundersen Interview: "Nebraska Nuclear Plant: Emergency Level 4 & 
> > > > Getting Worse"
> > > >  
> > > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSvvmrB7qEg
> > > > 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sTmzUzruu8
> > > > 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lva5N9VpAgw
> > > > 
> > > > Aerial photos and video of flooding in Nebraska and Iowa:
> > > > 
> > > > http://odc.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=5002&p=2605
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGga2sRF9qg
> > > > 
> > > > Fort Calhoun is the repository for all spent fuel rods in Nebraska
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.nrc.gov/waste/spent-fuel-storage/locations.html
> > > > 
> > > > The other facility in Nebraska is the Cooper Nuclear Power Plant. It is 
> > > > the most fire prone in US history.
> > > > 
> > > > http://thehorseshoeblog.blogspot.com/2011/03/nebraska-has-most-fire-prone-nuclear.html
> > > > 
> > > > "But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening."
> > > > 
> > > > "U.S. babies are dying at an increased rate."
> > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/sherman06102011.html
> > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > > > >>> Here's a YouTube video that has pictures of the ri

[FairfieldLife] Re: Maher: Could the GOP Field for President get any Lamer? Meet Rick Perry

[authfriend]

Um, might want to get clear on the correct use of "throw
under the bus."

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> Bill Maher threw potential GOP presidential candidate and
> current Governor of Texas Rick Perry under the bus and ran over him
> a few times during his New Rules segment on Real Time With Bill
> Maher this week.
> 
> Video here: 
> http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-rule-if-you-thought-current-gop-field

[FairfieldLife] Cartoon of the Day - Never Ending Conservative Carnival of Crazy

[do.rflex]

>From Tom Tomorrow

Take a look (click to enlarge): 
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-06-22colorlowres.jpg 

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[FairfieldLife] Maher: Could the GOP Field for President get any Lamer? Meet Rick Perry

[do.rflex]

Bill Maher threw potential GOP presidential candidate and
current Governor of Texas Rick Perry under the bus and ran over him
a few times during his New Rules segment on Real Time With Bill
Maher this week.

Video here: 
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/new-rule-if-you-thought-current-gop-field
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> 
> > Where do you get this stuff? Maharishi was speaking in 
> > their 'hood, that's all. As I remember it a friend of 
> > Patty Boyd's had heard of him and they went to see him 
> > speak. Maharishi had made nothing "fashionable" because 
> > at that point almost no one had heard of him.
> 
> And after the few weeks that summer,

Two months (mid-February to mid-April) for George and John;
about a month for Paul (but only 10 days for Ringo).

It's generally acknowledged, BTW, that some of their best
songs were written at the ashram, including 18 for the
White Album.

 they had nothing
> significant to do with him again.  That was it.

They've done quite a bit of talking *about* him, mostly in
very positive terms, since. It's pretty clear they consider
their experience with him important (with the exception of
John, although it would have been hard for him to deny
their creative spurt in Rishikesh).

George and Paul both visited Maharishi in Holland at least
once each. George gave a benefit concert for the Natural
Law Party in 1992, and of course Paul and Ringo headlined
the Lynch benefit concert at Radio City Music Hall.

Some additional random points:

The Beatles had seen MMY on TV some time before attending
the lecture.

They had been experimenting with psychedelics for the
purpose of consciousness expansion prior to meeting MMY,
so they were primed for a way to get high without drugs.
They had also been experimenting with Indian musical
instruments ever since filming "Help!" and George had
become interested in Eastern spirituality as well as
the music.

It's not clear that the other celebrity musicians who
went to Bangor with the Beatles went *because* of the
Beatles, nor is it clear that the celebrities, like
Donovan, who were with MMY in Rishikesh were there
because of the Beatles. It appears that the whole bunch
may have got bitten by the same bug at the same time.
The Beatles just happened to be the most famous.

While it's obvious the Beatles did a lot for MMY, it's
also true that MMY did a lot for the Beatles. An
article in the NYTimes written just after MMY's death
by Allan Kozinn ("Meditation on the Man Who Saved the
Beatles") even speculates that if it hadn't been for
"Magic" Alex turning them against MMY, they might have
stayed together as a band longer:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/arts/07iht-07yogi.9826732.html?_r=1

http://tinyurl.com/4y4qt8m

Finally, the boost MMY got from the Beatles didn't last
much beyond their association with him; after they left,
he dropped off the radar screen for a while. His comeback
in the mid-'70s was on the basis of the new scientific
studies of TM and the Merv interviews. His history with
the Beatles didn't hurt, but the revival of interest and
the "Merv Wave" might well have occurred even if he'd
never met them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[John]

The US jyotish chart is now running the major period of Mars.  Mars is in the 
7th house, meaning the field of conflicts and wars.  Also, Mars is the lord of 
the 12th house of losses and expenditures.

So guess what?  The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have added to the staggering 
national debt of about 13 trillion dollars.  In my assessment, the deficit 
spending and the national debt issues will not be resolved until 2015, the end 
of the Mars period.

It appears that the major issue for the next election will be the platform for 
reigning in the runaway national debt.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:
> 
> > Vaj, do you really want to go there?
> 
> 
> How can you not? Christo-fascists are destroying this country with  
> their wars of foreign aggression, draining our economy, while the  
> rich get tax cuts and the needy get their services cut. Christian  
> terrorists bomb our family planning clinics, shoot members of the few  
> open-mind churches left and listen to a recovering synthetic heroin  
> addict as their hero!
> 
> Apparently there was a major typo in the New Testament. It should  
> have read "the wealthy will inherit the earth, the meek will have  
> their healthcare and food stamps taken away."
>

[FairfieldLife] Transcendence

[Irmeli]

I have been reading a newly published book on TM: Transcendence
  , by Norman E.
Rosenthal, a twenty year researcher at the National Institute of Mental
Health in USA, and the psychiatrist who pioneered the study of seasonal
affective disorder (SAD). He demystifies the practice of TM. In The book
the purpose of the practice is not enlightenment, but better health to
people with a variety of problems. Rosenthal draws upon experience from
the lives of his patients and a wealth of clinical research amassed on
TM over the passed generation. People get through meditation relief from
anxiety, stress, depression, and new hope for those suffering from
addiction, attention deficit disorder, or post-traumatic disorder. TM
has been not used in these studies as a replacement to other approaches
as therapy, but to support them. The results are pretty encouraging.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[richardjwilliamstexas]

> > "Groupie" is a term that unfortunately has developed 
> > sexual connotations over the years, but it didn't 
> > start out that way...
> > 
authfriend:
> CHANGE THE RECORD, for pete's sake. Good grief, we've
> heard this one *dozens* of times here, and before that
> on alt.m.t...
>
You'd think that at some point Barry would at least look
up the definitions of what he is commenting on. Go figure.

"A groupie is a person who seeks emotional and sexual 
intimacy with a musician or other celebrity..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupie

[FairfieldLife] Re: How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[richardjwilliamstexas]

Vaj:
> How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With 
> so Much Hate and Violence?
> 
Don't you just hate those Christians?

Re: [FairfieldLife] How Can Some "Christians" Be Filled With so Much Hate and Violence?

[Vaj]

On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Mike Dixon wrote:

> Vaj, do you really want to go there?


How can you not? Christo-fascists are destroying this country with  
their wars of foreign aggression, draining our economy, while the  
rich get tax cuts and the needy get their services cut. Christian  
terrorists bomb our family planning clinics, shoot members of the few  
open-mind churches left and listen to a recovering synthetic heroin  
addict as their hero!

Apparently there was a major typo in the New Testament. It should  
have read "the wealthy will inherit the earth, the meek will have  
their healthcare and food stamps taken away."

RE: [FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 11:17 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight

 

 And for another show I haven't hit the message boards yet to see how 
"The Killing" season one finale played out for others but I bet there 
was much disappointment.

 

I wasn't disappointed. I didn't even know there was going to be a season 2,
so I thought the whole plot was wrapping up. The final few seconds left me
complete in suspense and eager to see the next season.

[FairfieldLife] Infamous Stringdusters event

[Rick Archer]

Rick,

You were kind enough to send a notice of this event to you email list. I was
wondering if you would send it around again since the event is on Wednesday
and they are too good for anyone to miss out.

Here's the link for the event:

http://www.fairfieldacc.com/events/the-infamous-stringdusters-2011-06-22.htm
l

Thanks very much,

Bill

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 20, 2011, at 12:43 AM, turquoiseb wrote:

> Where do you get this stuff? Maharishi was speaking in 
> their 'hood, that's all. As I remember it a friend of 
> Patty Boyd's had heard of him and they went to see him 
> speak. Maharishi had made nothing "fashionable" because 
> at that point almost no one had heard of him.

And after the few weeks that summer, they had nothing significant to do
with him again.  That was it.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> 
> Like, WTF they doing with all that spent nuke fuel sitting
> there on the river anyway?

It's not *on* the river, it's a good 30 feet above the
level at which the river is likely to crest. From the
article I linked to earlier (and that you have now read):

"Earlier this week, the river stood at 1,005.6 feet 
elevation, Remus said, and has been mostly unchanged since
then. The corps' projections place the river crest this
summer, barring extraordinary rains, between roughly 1,006
and 1,008 feet.

"Burke said OPPD's flood barriers would protect the plant
to 1,010 to 1,012 feet elevation. The reactor itself is in a
watertight container and the spent fuel pool is at 1,038.5
feet elevation."

Even if we get "extraordinary rains," they aren't going to
raise the river to the level of the spent fuel pool.

Storage of spent nuclear fuel is problematic all over the
country, and in many cases the stored fuel is in a lot
more precarious a situation than it is at Fort Calhoun.

People need to educate themselves as to what the real
dangers of nuclear power are and what can be done about
them. Running around like decapitated chickens screaming
about ignorant (and sometimes even malicious) scare stories
only makes it easier for the nuclear industry and the
government to dismiss the opposition as crackpots.




> They pretty effectively are threatening the whole Nation's
> food supply, even if they don't respect the lives of Iowans.
> Seems we've got our own would-be Islamic terrorists, and
> they's Nebraskans.  

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[whynotnow7]

Not fair dude - The infrastructure problems the US faces are way bigger than 
what the Dutch are doing. What the Dutch are doing is amazing and revolutionary 
from an engineering perspective, but it remains one BIG project - keeping the 
North Sea from coming in. Anything but trivial, however compared in scale to 
what goes on in the US to maintain 300 million souls, we do pretty well too.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> > be good for the collective.
> > 
> > > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > > proven way to dissolve individual stress...
> 
> If meditation is so good for the individual, and
> you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
> seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
> outrage over those problems?
> 
> Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
> who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
> the rest of American society. 
> 
> It also seems to me that if meditation did something
> beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
> be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
> two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
> Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
> nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
> fix things for them.
> 
> I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
> lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
> to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
> ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
> pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
> and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
> "collective" that seems to have something going for 
> it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
> so much.
> 
> We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
> Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
> and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
> "creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
> but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.
> 
> When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
> "Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
> problem you bitch about than its solution.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] The sky is falling ... tonight

[Bhairitu]

On 06/19/2011 04:23 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
> TNT's new sci-fi TV series "Falling Skies" debuts tonight 9/8c.  Check
> your local listings.
>
> http://www.tnt.tv/series/fallingskies/
>
> Will it be good or just more "muted" trash?

Trash.  One less hour a week to devote to TV this summer.  It was just 
plain boring.  If you're going to do something with a militaristic plot 
line why not do a "Red Dawn" with aliens?  Now that might actually be 
more interesting and character driven.   This show was overly 
militaristic with too much military lingo.  Is it social engineering or 
"predictive programming" to get Americans thinking about fighting an 
"endless war" on our own lands?

And for another show I haven't hit the message boards yet to see how 
"The Killing" season one finale played out for others but I bet there 
was much disappointment.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> I was one of those that used that word 'spiritual maturity'. 
> I was thinking about this just a few days ago, with images 
> of young girls practically dying of passion in front of 
> stars like the Beatles, Elvis, and even Justin Bieber. 
> What you have written here is rather nice. But this is the 
> outer visible evidence that results from an inner transformation. 
> So this outer behaviour is an aspect of that transformation; 
> there could be other behaviours as well. You did not discuss 
> much of what the inner life of 'spiritual maturity' might be. 
> I think it would be interesting if you felt the impulse to 
> comment on that as well. I think you have a certain reluctance 
> to do so. That is not a fact I am stating here, just an 
> hypothesis.

How can I comment on something that is "inner," as
if what it is for me is the same as for anyone else?
That's verging on the hubris of the TM movement and
its True Believers, who tend to think in terms of
"One size fits all."

I have no idea what might create this sense of spir-
itual maturity in others, only what might have helped
me get closer to it. When I was young, I was as 
impressed by celebrity as anyone else. Hell, I bought
into Maharishi because the Beatles did...how impres-
sionable and stuck in groupie consciousness is that?

But over time I wound up getting to know some of 
these celebrities that I'd once been all ga-ga over,
and realized that they were just ordinary folks like
me. So once you realize this, where is the "up side"
in drawing your own sense of self worth from being
able to hang with them? I just decided to base my
sense of self worth on just hanging with myself, and 
not giving much of a shit whether others found me 
worth hanging with.

If I had to come up with some notion of what the "inner"
aspect of spiritual maturity might be, I'd say that it
might be based on equal doses of 1) not taking oneself
seriously, and 2) learning to laugh at oneself. Anyone 
who can do both IMO has achieved some measure of maturity; 
anyone who can do neither has never achieved maturity and, 
if they're older than fifteen, probably never will.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > Rick and other posters on this forum have used the phrase
> > "spiritual maturity." Recent posts have gotten me thinking
> > about this term, and how I'd define it. I would say that
> > for me it equates to a lack of spiritual groupie-ism.
> > 
> > "Groupie" is a term that unfortunately has developed sexual
> > connotations over the years, but it didn't start out that
> > way. Among musicians, someone being a "groupie" was not 
> > defined by whether they had slept with a musician or had
> > created a plaster cast of his private parts. A groupie was
> > thought of as someone who gained most of their sense of
> > self worth from their relationship -- real or imagined --
> > with a celebrity. The real defining quality of a groupie 
> > from the point of view of the musicians was that they never 
> > had anything to talk about *but* their encounters with the 
> > musicians; they'd never really done anything on their own 
> > that people could admire or look up to, so they tried to 
> > gain that admiration by associating themselves with someone 
> > more famous.
> > 
> > This is one of the factors that still leaves me fascinated
> > by the spiritual smoragasbord, even though I lost my fasc-
> > ination with spiritual teachers years ago. It's not the 
> > teachers themselves I find worth watching; it's their 
> > students and how they handle themselves. Often it's *not*
> > with a great deal of spiritual maturity, as I would define
> > that term, and the main reason is that many of them have
> > never gotten past this stage of measuring their own self
> > worth by associating themselves with someone else.
> > 
> > One of the defining characteristics of the spiritual groupie
> > (besides never having done much of anything on their own)
> > is a tendency to live in the past. The things they talk 
> > about and bring up over and over and over tend to be their
> > interactions with some spiritual teacher, many of which took
> > place decades ago. What, I find myself wondering sometimes,
> > have they done SINCE? 
> > 
> > Sure, they stood in a "flower line" three decades ago, and
> > Maharishi smiled at them. Big whoop. Am I supposed to be
> > impressed by this, and as a result "weigh" the person who
> > is a legend in their own past more highly? I think not. On
> > the whole, I am always more impressed by -- and more likely
> > to gravitate to as friends -- people who rarely speak of 
> > the past, and their past (or present) association with some 
> > spiritual teacher. My guideline in such matters is that if 
> > they have to "go back" more than a week or so to find
> > something "spiritual" in their lives to talk about, then
> > their lives aren't very spiritual, are

[FairfieldLife] No Ground Of All Being [was Re: Help a Saint - Lose]

[whynotnow7]

masked zebra wrote:
RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated  
impeccably and infallibly that such a "ground of all being" even 
exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the  embodiment of 
such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I would go further: I have not 
observed a single person who even gives evidence that they have made contact 
with such a fundamental form of reality.

**The only person who can conclusively demonstrate it is you. Even then of 
course, you can fool yourself.:-)  All the teachers teach are pointers to self 
realization. No one can give that to you. I look at it as reaching a point of 
mental coordination, unifying the heart and intellect so that life gets 
smoother. So far as I can tell, that is the big super pay off to initial 
self-realization, budding enlightenment, life gets smoother. Still have to do 
the same stuff, but it is easier. As to what one book or teacher refers to that 
way of living doesn't matter. It's all based on experience anyway, so if you 
want to call it blue cheese, please do.

**I like to think of it as better coordination because coordination is based on 
practice and use, vs. belief, so there is nothing to memorize or keep in mind. 
Just a matter of coordination over time. The dawning of self-realization is 
mechanical. 

For me the 'home of all the laws of nature' is a metaphysical fiction. Sure, 
the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this reality (via TM), but, given how 
wonderfully convincing one's initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of 
everything MMY promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an 
extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's 'evolution' 
over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to conclude: THESE EXPERIENCES 
ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS no such thing 
as Enlightenment.

**Enlightenment isn't an experience. There may be a noticeable transition to 
establishing that first permanent candle of silence within, but once 
established, learning and developing and changing has to continue - nothing to 
hold it back, so enlightenment doesn't really point to one experience, except 
there may be a sudden and lasting realization of that first candle of silence 
being kindled. After that, life continues like it did before. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[authfriend]

CHANGE THE RECORD, for pete's sake. Good grief, we've
heard this one *dozens* of times here, and before that
on alt.m.t.

Look, we know you get your jollies by putting down MMY,
and that you resent it whenever anybody points out that
many of those putdowns don't hold water. We know you feel
better about yourself when you demonize people you disagree
with and get upset and angry whenever anybody gives you
any blowback.

We don't buy your story that you get criticized so much
only because you're a TM critic. We don't buy that if TMers were "spiritually 
mature," we'd never give you an argument.
We don't buy your characterization "fly into a rage" where
our reasoned posts are conerned.

Some of us find it hilarious that you speak disparagingly
of folks who talk about their past teachers when you bring
up Lenz at every opportunity, often describing your own
personal interactions with him as if we should be impressed,
then fantasize that TMers demand that you be impressed
because they once gave MMY a flower.

You're clearly a legend in your own mind, a legend that
makes you believe you're in a position to lecture others
about "spiritual groupiedom" and "spiritual maturity." It's
a very elaborate legend that you've reinforced for yourself
by endless repetition.

But we aren't buying it. Some of us think you're the *least* spiritually mature 
individual on this forum, one who is
virtually completely lacking in even the most basic self-
knowledge, blissfully oblivious of the fact that the vast
majority of your demonizations of others are projections of
your own many personality flaws.

And that's likely to be the case unless and until you do a
major about-face, rethink who you are and what you're doing
here, and come up with some brand-new material to
demonstrate it.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Rick and other posters on this forum have used the phrase
> "spiritual maturity." Recent posts have gotten me thinking
> about this term, and how I'd define it. I would say that
> for me it equates to a lack of spiritual groupie-ism.
> 
> "Groupie" is a term that unfortunately has developed sexual
> connotations over the years, but it didn't start out that
> way. Among musicians, someone being a "groupie" was not 
> defined by whether they had slept with a musician or had
> created a plaster cast of his private parts. A groupie was
> thought of as someone who gained most of their sense of
> self worth from their relationship -- real or imagined --
> with a celebrity. The real defining quality of a groupie 
> from the point of view of the musicians was that they never 
> had anything to talk about *but* their encounters with the 
> musicians; they'd never really done anything on their own 
> that people could admire or look up to, so they tried to 
> gain that admiration by associating themselves with someone 
> more famous.
> 
> This is one of the factors that still leaves me fascinated
> by the spiritual smoragasbord, even though I lost my fasc-
> ination with spiritual teachers years ago. It's not the 
> teachers themselves I find worth watching; it's their 
> students and how they handle themselves. Often it's *not*
> with a great deal of spiritual maturity, as I would define
> that term, and the main reason is that many of them have
> never gotten past this stage of measuring their own self
> worth by associating themselves with someone else.
> 
> One of the defining characteristics of the spiritual groupie
> (besides never having done much of anything on their own)
> is a tendency to live in the past. The things they talk 
> about and bring up over and over and over tend to be their
> interactions with some spiritual teacher, many of which took
> place decades ago. What, I find myself wondering sometimes,
> have they done SINCE? 
> 
> Sure, they stood in a "flower line" three decades ago, and
> Maharishi smiled at them. Big whoop. Am I supposed to be
> impressed by this, and as a result "weigh" the person who
> is a legend in their own past more highly? I think not. On
> the whole, I am always more impressed by -- and more likely
> to gravitate to as friends -- people who rarely speak of 
> the past, and their past (or present) association with some 
> spiritual teacher. My guideline in such matters is that if 
> they have to "go back" more than a week or so to find
> something "spiritual" in their lives to talk about, then
> their lives aren't very spiritual, are they?
> 
> So I tend to see this tendency of spiritual seekers to gain
> their sense of worth from their relationship with a teacher
> as not entirely a positive thing. In many cases (and not 
> just in the TMO) this dependence on Someone Else's Achieve-
> ments has prevented them from ever achieving anything of
> their own. Saddest of all, in my experience, are the seekers
> who DO accomplish things on their own but who then give all
> credit for what they did to their spiritual teacher. "I
> dedicate this album to Sri Some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual Maturity - the absence of spiritual groupie-ism

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

I was one of those that used that word 'spiritual maturity'. I was thinking 
about this just a few days ago, with images of young girls practically dying of 
passion in front of stars like the Beatles, Elvis, and even Justin Bieber. What 
you have written here is rather nice. But this is the outer visible evidence 
that results from an inner transformation. So this outer behaviour is an aspect 
of that transformation; there could be other behaviours as well. You did not 
discuss much of what the inner life of 'spiritual maturity' might be. I think 
it would be interesting if you felt the impulse to comment on that as well. I 
think you have a certain reluctance to do so. That is not a fact I am stating 
here, just an hypothesis.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> Rick and other posters on this forum have used the phrase
> "spiritual maturity." Recent posts have gotten me thinking
> about this term, and how I'd define it. I would say that
> for me it equates to a lack of spiritual groupie-ism.
> 
> "Groupie" is a term that unfortunately has developed sexual
> connotations over the years, but it didn't start out that
> way. Among musicians, someone being a "groupie" was not 
> defined by whether they had slept with a musician or had
> created a plaster cast of his private parts. A groupie was
> thought of as someone who gained most of their sense of
> self worth from their relationship -- real or imagined --
> with a celebrity. The real defining quality of a groupie 
> from the point of view of the musicians was that they never 
> had anything to talk about *but* their encounters with the 
> musicians; they'd never really done anything on their own 
> that people could admire or look up to, so they tried to 
> gain that admiration by associating themselves with someone 
> more famous.
> 
> This is one of the factors that still leaves me fascinated
> by the spiritual smoragasbord, even though I lost my fasc-
> ination with spiritual teachers years ago. It's not the 
> teachers themselves I find worth watching; it's their 
> students and how they handle themselves. Often it's *not*
> with a great deal of spiritual maturity, as I would define
> that term, and the main reason is that many of them have
> never gotten past this stage of measuring their own self
> worth by associating themselves with someone else.
> 
> One of the defining characteristics of the spiritual groupie
> (besides never having done much of anything on their own)
> is a tendency to live in the past. The things they talk 
> about and bring up over and over and over tend to be their
> interactions with some spiritual teacher, many of which took
> place decades ago. What, I find myself wondering sometimes,
> have they done SINCE? 
> 
> Sure, they stood in a "flower line" three decades ago, and
> Maharishi smiled at them. Big whoop. Am I supposed to be
> impressed by this, and as a result "weigh" the person who
> is a legend in their own past more highly? I think not. On
> the whole, I am always more impressed by -- and more likely
> to gravitate to as friends -- people who rarely speak of 
> the past, and their past (or present) association with some 
> spiritual teacher. My guideline in such matters is that if 
> they have to "go back" more than a week or so to find
> something "spiritual" in their lives to talk about, then
> their lives aren't very spiritual, are they?
> 
> So I tend to see this tendency of spiritual seekers to gain
> their sense of worth from their relationship with a teacher
> as not entirely a positive thing. In many cases (and not 
> just in the TMO) this dependence on Someone Else's Achieve-
> ments has prevented them from ever achieving anything of
> their own. Saddest of all, in my experience, are the seekers
> who DO accomplish things on their own but who then give all
> credit for what they did to their spiritual teacher. "I
> dedicate this album to Sri Someguru, without whom it would
> never have happened. It is in a real sense *his* album. He
> created it, because he created me." (This is a real quote.)
> 
> Another negative byproduct of the spiritual groupie mental-
> ity IMO has to do with the defensiveness we often see in
> spiritual groupies. Challenge or criticize the teacher they
> are groupies to, and the perception of the groupie is that
> you are challenging *them*. The reaction is often harsh,
> and almost always inappropriate. How would you react, after
> all, to someone who flew into a rage and started lashing out
> at you because you criticized a rock star the person had met
> once or twice? You'd think they were bonkers, right? But
> when spiritual seekers fly into similar rages when their
> spiritual teachers are criticized -- teachers that in some
> cases they never even met -- people make excuses for them, 
> and treat them as if this reaction is somehow normal. It 
> isn't. It's the reaction of someone for whom the *source*
> of their own self worth has gotten confused 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[whynotnow7]

I'm guessing you think you won something for your "I was more something than 
someone else cabinet."

Awesome turn of phrase Curtis. Pretty rapable too:

I'm GUESSING you THINK you WON SOMETHING,
for YOUR "I was MORE SOMETHING than SOMEONE ELSE cabinet."
 
Yep, then the cabinets get full, and I spend more time making mental cabinets 
and filling them, like swatting at thought-flies buzzing around my head - lol.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> Curtis making a humorous aside at the end of post:
> 
> > > If you do come up with an excuse to mitigate philandering
> > > please let me know. I've been looking for one to use for
> > > years!
> >
> 
> Judy's reaction, probably gunna be something light and humorous in response:
>  
> > You're on your own with that one. I'm having trouble finding
> > a way to mitigate your tendency to start things and then not
> > finish them, as with our most recent exchange.
> 
> Whoa, wait a second.  Are you talking to the guy who goes further post by 
> post on topics with you than ANYONE here?   I participate as much as I can 
> maintain interest and then move on. Which is exactly what you do also. Only 
> you would consider shaming someone for pursuing their own interests in ever 
> lengthening discussions here.  As if your priorities SHOULD be applied to the 
> other poster. Kind of the opposite of self realization where your standards 
> of interest is THE standard and I should ignore my own interests here. 
> 
> < Considering
> > how badly you fared, it's not surprising.>
> 
> I'm guessing you think you won something for your "I was more something than 
> someone else cabinet."  I have "fared badly" in your head Judy, not mine.  I 
> have "fared" just fine.
> 
> You are being kind of cryptic here so I can only guess that you are perturbed 
> that I opted out of discussing things we thought and said on AMT, which was 
> how long ago exactly? Fifteen years ago?  And you are thinking that it might 
> be a good use of our time to relive that antagonistic relationship because 
> you find our current friendly exchanges lacking in enough rancor and venom?
> 
> As I told you I am satisfied with our work on AMT. Go back and read it again 
> if you want.  But don't expect me to go looking for old posts FOR you. We 
> both thought the other was being dishonest on AMT and made our cases. 
> Predictably neither of us changed our opinion but we both spoke our peace 15 
> years ago.  At least I did.  I can't help you if you are unresolved about it.
>   
> 
> < But as I said, it
> > leaves our relationship, such as it is, wy back at
> > square one as far as my opinion of you is concerned. Your
> > choice, of course.>
> 
> No actually your opinion about me is not only YOUR choice, it is really none 
> of my business.  You have pulled the disapproval routine once to often for me 
> to care.  Disapproval is your default with certain posters here, and I am one 
> of them.  I'm cool with that. It is very low level manipulation and hasn't 
> worked on me for decades. 
> 
> I guess we don't share the same preference for how we like to interact and 
> what we value in exchanges here. I am sorry that our current discussions are 
> unsatisfying for you. It is working for me.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > "Householders" means you marry someone and raise a family.
> > > > > It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus
> > > > > with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching
> > > > > one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by
> > > > > leaving the last girl behind when you travel.
> > > > 
> > > > Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this,
> > > > so it's kind of a non sequitur.
> > > 
> > > I don't think you mean ashramas in this context.  There
> > > are two contexts for the term brahmachari.  One is the
> > > stage of life, the student who is surrendered to a guru
> > > and lives in his ashram under his instruction.  In
> > > mMaharishi's context it means celibate lifestyle at any
> > > age. Maharishi was not maintaining a student lifestyle
> > > his whole life.  Same with the term householder. It is
> > > a stage of life in the ashramas sequence, but as
> > > Maharishi used it, it was a lifestyle choice meaning
> > > married at any age.
> > 
> > Which doesn't mean what you described either, so the "two
> > contexts" distinction is irrelevant as well.
> > 
> > > It was not a non sequitur in the context of our discussion
> > > about whether there was any justification for his sexual
> > > activity based on what he said he was.
> > 
> > Oh, you think that's what Lawson was doing?
> > 
> > > As you point out there

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[Vaj]

On Jun 17, 2011, at 2:06 PM, maskedzebra wrote:

RESPONSE: Not a single person in my lifetime has demonstrated  
impeccably and infallibly that such a "ground of all being" even  
exists. That is, if I am to go by his/her claim to become the  
embodiment of such an irreducible level of reality. In fact, I  
would go further: I have not observed a single person who even  
gives evidence that they have made contact with such a fundamental  
form of reality. For me the "home of all the laws of nature" is a  
metaphysical fiction. Sure, the EXPERIENCE seems to verify this  
reality (via TM), but, given how wonderfully convincing one's  
initial experiences are of TM (the auguring of everything MMY  
promises), the final pay-off (nothing to show for it, an  
extraordinarily disappointing trajectory of 'progress' in one's  
'evolution' over decades of doing TM), logically forces one to  
conclude: THESE EXPERIENCES ARE FALSE; that is, they DO NOT  
COINCIDE WITH REALITY. There IS no such thing as Enlightenment.



Well perhaps for the TM system, which seems to induce novel forms of  
psychosis and ego inflation, but you cannot exclude every awakening  
tradition, can you?

[FairfieldLife] A Tale Of Two TV Series

[turquoiseb]

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was 
the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the 
epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the 
season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the 
spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything 
before us, we had nothing before us..."

Today I watched the final episode of one American TV series,
and and the first episode of another. One bills itself as a 
hard science fiction series, full of action and entertainment,
and the other is a mere fantasy. One was great and one sucked 
dead dogs. And the great one was sadly the series that was 
ending for the year, so now just as Dickens said we have 
nothing before us until next season.

The series that sucks is "Falling Skies." Don't bother, unless
you have an IQ of 90 and have a tendency to enjoy regurgitated
mindless plots and lame characterization on a regular basis.
It's the classic American "If we just hold onto our guns we'll
be OK when the Ay-rabs invade," only it's aliens, not Ay-rabs.
The less I say about this piece of garbage the better, from
the point of view of compassion.

Whereas the series that is great -- and in my opinion one of
the greatest pieces of television I've ever seen -- is the
fantasy, "Game Of Thrones." On many levels, it puts Tolkien's
"The Lord Of The Rings" trilogy in the shade, and makes it
look like a Disney movie. LOTR, after all (and as much as I
may have liked it), is only a partial representation of life.
There is no sex in it, and evil (or the Bad Guys) is a mere
archetype of evil. There are almost no true "character arcs" 
in the LOTR series. A couple of characters become a little 
more heroic (often just before they die), but on the whole no 
character in the whole series ever surprises you, even for
a minute. You know most of what there will ever be to know
about them the minute you meet them (because they're...uh...
archetypes, donchaknow), and if they're supposed to be one 
of the Good Guys, you never get to see any of their dark 
sides or less than heroic sides.

In Game Of Thrones no one is who you thought they were when
you first met them, almost everyone has a dark side, almost
everyone has hot, steamy sex, and no one is an archetype. 
They're all everchanging individuals, trying to deal with 
a set of everchanging conditions in a hostile world. Life is
cheap and life is short. While some of your favorite characters
get snorfed just as you're coming to like them, some of your
least favorite characters seem to triumph and grow in power
and influence and wealth. 

As for the foolishness that Dickens wrote about above, in GoT
foolishness seems to revolve around trusting in the higher
and more noble nature of man, whereas wisdom revolves around 
trusting no one. Some would find this a dismal view; I find 
it refreshing and somewhat reality-based, especially given the 
"created reality" dreamed up for the series by George R. R. 
Martin. It's a tough world, with almost all interesting parties 
vying for the iron throne, and with an iron hand. 

And it's just *full* of surprises. At the end of the first 
season I find myself liking a couple of the characters I 
started out hating, and hating a couple that I started out 
liking. Pretty much the only ones who have been consistent 
"likes" since day one are Tyrion Lannister (played by the 
brilliant Peter Dinklage) and Catelyn Stark (played by 
Michelle Fairley) and Arya Stark (played by young Maisie 
Williams). Hell, I'd watch season two if it contained no 
other characters than Tyrion Lannister. :-)

HBO renewed Game Of Thrones for a second season after seeing
the first episode of season 1. In today's economy, that is
prescience, and the realization that they've got a good thing
going. If you missed it on TV, you might want to check it out
on DVD, or preferably Blu-ray. Game Of Thrones is larger than 
life in pretty much all respects, and its high-def creative 
vision deserves a similar high-definition on playback. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
[I wrote:]
> > You're on your own with that one. I'm having trouble finding
> > a way to mitigate your tendency to start things and then not
> > finish them, as with our most recent exchange.
> 
> Whoa, wait a second.  Are you talking to the guy who goes
> further post by post on topics with you than ANYONE here?

I'm talking to the guy who makes accusations he can't back
up and mistakes he doesn't want to acknowledge, then claims
he's lost interest or has other priorities and opts out.

> I participate as much as I can maintain interest and then
> move on. Which is exactly what you do also.

I don't leave stuff like the above dangling. I don't make
accusations and then tell the other guy I just can't be
bothered documenting them and it's up to him to disprove
them. I always read responses to my posts, and if they
catch me in a mistake, I acknowledge it.

As I say, you and I have very different ethical standards.

[FairfieldLife] Floods & Nukes

[raunchydog]

The sight of the Ft. Calhoun Nuclear Power Station completely surrounded by 
water is damn scary. Everything is secure, so they say, but how well can it 
withstand continued flooding or a tornado blowing it all to hell? Iowa 
legislators nearly gave the green light for nuclear energy about two months 
ago. Thank goodness it failed. But despite all the potential for environmental 
disasters, Obama continues to sell nuclear energy as "clean energy" because 
he's dancing with the one who brought him...nuke giant, Exelon. 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-hearts-nuke-giant-e_b_84824.html

"The global nuclear industry and its allies in government are making a 
desperate effort to cover up the consequences of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear 
disaster. "The big lie flies high," comments Kevin Kamps of the organization 
Beyond Nuclear.

Not only is this nuclear establishment seeking to make it look like the 
Fukushima catastrophe has not happened—going so far as to claim that there will 
be "no health effects" as a result of it—but it is moving forward on a "nuclear 
renaissance," its scheme to build more nuclear plants.

Indeed, next week in Washington, a two-day "Special Summit on New Nuclear 
Energy" will be held involving major manufacturers of nuclear power 
plants—including General Electric, the manufacturer of the Fukushima plants—and 
U.S. government officials."
http://www.counterpunch.org/grossman06162011.html

"The Corps has been increasing water releases from five dams in North Dakota 
and South Dakota to roughly double prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen 
by heavy winter snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana 
headwaters...Peak releases are planned until at least mid-August and high flows 
are expected until December."
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43460081/ns/weather/

"Mike Crecelius, the Fremont County Emergency Management chief, said that in 
Hamburg, Iowa, the river was expected to crest at 10 feet over flood stage in 
the coming days...'[The levees] are not designed for this amount of pressure 
for this length of time,' Crecelius told CNN. 'They've never been tested like 
this.'"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2005758/Missouri-river-floods-250-residents-evacuated-water-threatens-breach-banks.html

"The Missouri River rose to within 18 inches of forcing the shutdown of a 
nuclear power plant in southeast Nebraska but stopped and ebbed slightly, a 
plant spokesman said Monday.

The river has to hit 902 feet above sea level at Brownville before officials 
will shut down the Cooper Nuclear Plant, which sits at 903 feet."
http://www.gazette.com/articles/shutdown-120108-nuke-omaha.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: 5 Examples of Americans Thinking Foreign People Are Magic

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" LEnglish5@ wrote:

> Lawson, your mission (should you choose to accept it) is
> to find articles in any national magazine or on any national
> TV station about Maharishi prior to August 24, 1967. That,
> according to the BeatlesBible website quoted below, is when
> they first met him and gave a press conference with him, thus
> associating themselves with him in the press, and causing
> other articles to be written.
> 
> People have a weird "compressed" view of the timeline of
> those days.

Yes, some people even think we've always had the Web, and
that we can simply look up any article that was ever
published in a magazine, even pre-1967, even from magazines
that no longer exist; and find videotapes of TV broadcasts
from a time when tape was so expensive that it was
repeatedly reused, taping over whatever had been on it.

In any case, nobody here is claiming he had national
magazine and TV coverage in the U.S. before he met the
Beatles. So the "mission" assigned to Lawson makes no
sense on either count.

On the other hand, we *can* determine that MMY had a
significant following and local coverage from his world
tours pre-Beatles from online sources such as Wikipedia,
which references Paul Mason's book and other publications,
including the book "Thirty Years Around the World." For
example:

"The Maharishi's 1986 book, Thirty Years Around the World, gives a detailed 
account of his world tours, as does a later biography, The Maharishi by Paul 
Mason.[41] The first world tour began in Rangoon, Burma (now Myanmar) and 
included the countries of Thailand, Malaya, Singapore, Hong Kong and 
Hawaii.[42][43][44] The Honolulu Star Bulletin reported: 'He has no money, he 
asks for nothing. His worldly possessions can be carried in one hand. Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi is on a world odyssey. He carries a message that he says will rid 
the world of all unhappiness and discontent.'[45]...

"In 1960, the Maharishi travelled to many cities in India, France, Switzerland, 
England, Scotland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Singapore, 
Australia, New Zealand and Africa.[50]...While in Manchester, England, the 
Maharishi gave a television interview and was featured in many English 
newspapers such as the Birmingham Post, the Oxford Mail and the Cambridge Daily 
News.[52]...

"In 1961, the Maharishi visited Austria, Sweden, France, Italy, Greece, India, 
Kenya, England, USA and Canada.[37][55] While in England, the Maharishi 
appeared on BBC television and gave a lecture to 5,000 people at the Royal 
Albert Hall in London.[37][56]...

"The Maharishi toured cities in Europe, Asia, North America and India in 1963, 
and also addressed ministers of the Indian Parliament.[65][66] According to his 
memoirs, twenty-one members of parliament then issued a public statement 
endorsing the Maharishi's goals and meditation technique.[67] His Canadian 
tour[68] generated news articles in the magazine Enjoy and in the Daily 
Colonist, Calgary Herald and The Albertan.[69]...

"The Maharishi's fifth world tour, in 1964, consisted of visits to many cities 
in North America, Europe and India.[70][71] During his visit to England, he 
appeared with the Abbot of Downside, Abbot Butler, on a BBC television show 
called 'The Viewpoint'.[72][73]..."

And then we have this from an October 1967 article in Time:

"India, of course, has countless yogis, swamis, mystics and 
meditatorsThough some of these holy men have managed to get a hearing 
outside their own country, none has done so well in modern times as the 
Maharishi (Great Sage), who had a considerable following even before he met and 
conquered the Beatles last August while on a lecture tour of EnglandPerhaps 
because of its comfortable teachings, the Maharishi's 'Spiritual Regeneration 
Movement' has spread quickly outside India. Transcendental meditation is now 
practiced by an estimated 100,000 followers in 35 countries from Denmark to New 
Zealand."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902143,00.html


> I repeat my contention. If the Beatles had not attended that
> talk, and associated themselves with Maharishi, he would
> most likely never have been more than a blip on the world's
> radar.

And you would most likely be wrong--depending, of course,
on your definition of "blip on the world's radar," which
is conveniently flexible for your purposes.

Given all the above, I repeat *my* contention that MMY
would most likely, absent the Beatles, have been at least
as well known as Muktananda or Yogananda. And the Beatles
would most likely never have met up with him if he hadn't
already had a significant following.

And oh, by the way (moved from above):

> > > Again, the Beatles already had some interest in that topic
> > > -independently of Maharishi- although MMY certainly helped
> > > ma

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> If meditation is good for the individual, it should also 
> be good for the collective.
> 
> > Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically 
> > proven way to dissolve individual stress...

If meditation is so good for the individual, and
you're an individual meditator, howcum all you can
seem to focus upon are problems and manufactured
outrage over those problems?

Seems to me that a "collective" composed of people
who think like "Buck" would be pretty much like
the rest of American society. 

It also seems to me that if meditation did something
beneficial for individuals, those individuals should
be able to occasionally come up with a solution or
two, and not just spend all their time bitching. 
Again, that just makes them ordinary Americans, doing
nothing but bitching and waiting for someone else to
fix things for them.

I say this based on the latest news from the Nether-
lands, where new initiatives have been put into place
to prevent possible problems from flooding or rising
ocean levels 20 to 30 years from now. The present is 
pretty much taken care of because of similar planning 
and foresight 20 to 30 years ago. Now *that* is a 
"collective" that seems to have something going for 
it. Whiny meditators like the "Buck" persona, not 
so much.

We get it that you're upset about some of these things.
Come up with a proposed solution to one or two of them
and I'll believe TM's claims of it increasing the 
"creative intelligence" of practitioners. Do nothing
but bitch, and you're just like everybody else.

When was the last time you taught anyone to meditate,
"Buck?" Seems to me that you're more a part of the
problem you bitch about than its solution.

[FairfieldLife] Re: News blackout about flooding at Nebraska nuke plant?

[Buck]

Like, WTF they doing with all that spent nuke fuel sitting there on the river 
anyway?  They pretty effectively are threatening the whole Nation's food 
supply, even if they don't respect the lives of Iowans.  Seems we've got our 
own would-be Islamic terrorists, and they's Nebraskans.  

>
> 
> "The NRC said last year that the Omaha Public Power District's flood response 
> plan, which basically amounted to placing sandbags around the facility to 
> hold back the Missouri River during times of flood, was inadequate. OPPD 
> responded by adding new flood gates."
> 
> >
> > "If the cooling system had failed completely, then the spent fuel would 
> > have overheated, caught fire, and released radiation into the 
> > atmosphere--the same problem that occurred in Japan when nuclear reactors 
> > there were flooded by the tsunami caused by an offshore earthquake in early 
> > March."
> > 
> > > 
> > > "An electrical fire at the plant on June 7 briefly knocked out the 
> > > cooling system for a pool where spent nuclear fuel is stored, but workers 
> > > managed to restore the cooling system in about 90 minutes and the 
> > > temperature of the pool only increased by two degrees. It is not clear 
> > > whether the electrical fire was related to the flooding."
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > "The Fort Calhoun Nuclear Power Plant is one of three in the United 
> > > > States that officials at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said 
> > > > they were most concerned about back in March, because of doubts that 
> > > > the plant could handle an emergency situation, such as flooding, and 
> > > > still continue to operate safely." 
> > > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > I say let's take them.  Bring the Iowa Guard back to Iowa and let's 
> > > > > take control of this nuclear disaster thing before it gets any worst. 
> > > > >  Evidently it hardly matters to a Nebraskan what happens in Iowa.  
> > > > > Let's fix this fucker like Hawkeyes know how to do.  Jump the damn 
> > > > > river there like a cyclone and take charge of matters. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It just don't seem right that those grubbing cornhuskers slip their 
> > > > > > nuke reactors in on our 
> > > > > > borders with so little danger to themselves.  That's got to be set 
> > > > > > right.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes, that those damned Nebraskans could do this to us,
> > > > > > > force us to leave our homes.  It's a sorry dang day.
> > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would suggest watching the video because it contains local 
> > > > > > > > > TV news 
> > > > > > > > > reports.  The article I put up for face value in case people 
> > > > > > > > > wanted to 
> > > > > > > > > dig further.  Yup, Sorcha Faal is a known spinner of tales 
> > > > > > > > > (and not 
> > > > > > > > > identified in the Pakistani article nor the Salem reprint)  
> > > > > > > > > but the 
> > > > > > > > > no-fly zone and the water way ban that the TV news reporter 
> > > > > > > > > mentions are 
> > > > > > > > > curious.  Also there has been some funny stuff going on about 
> > > > > > > > > Fukushima 
> > > > > > > > > and radiation reports in the US.  I'm sure the guvmint 
> > > > > > > > > doesn't want the 
> > > > > > > > > sheeple to freak out and neither does big energy who smells 
> > > > > > > > > money in 
> > > > > > > > > nukes.  But we like to know what the Fukushima is happening. 
> > > > > > > > > ;-)
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > On 06/18/2011 04:21 PM, whynotnow7 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I didn't read the referenced articles or watch the Youtube 
> > > > > > > > > > that Bhairitu posted. Just googled "Ft. Calhoun nuclear 
> > > > > > > > > > plant". The Reuters article and another one were what I was 
> > > > > > > > > > referring to. Smells fishy.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > WBAI Pacifica Radio interviewed Arnie Gundersen, chief engineer 
> > > > > > > > and energy consultant for Fairewinds Associates and a former 
> > > > > > > > nuclear power industry executive. Arnie said the Ft. Calhoun 
> > > > > > > > nuclear plant could probably hold as it is now but if a damn 
> > > > > > > > breaks, all bets are off. The latest Reuters reports on water 
> > > > > > > > releases from dams:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > "The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers water releases from five dams 
> > > > > > > > in North Dakota and South Dakota had already about doubled 
> > > > > > > > prior records to relieve reservoirs swollen by heavy winter 
> > > > > > > > snows and spring rainfall at the river's Montana headwaters.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > With severe storms expected over 

[FairfieldLife] The Thursday Evening Mother Chants

[Buck]

Mother Chants

Join us for a wonderful evening of traditional Vedic chants to Divine Mother, 
including:

Samputita Sri SuktamThe essential message of the Sri Suktam is that Divine 
Mother's true form is in the beautiful, cosmic golden light of 
divine consciousness that shines in the hearts of all creatures. When chanting 
the Sri Suktam, we are asking Mother to drench us with that golden light.

Khadga Mala
Chanting the Khadga Mala Stotram is a very important practice for coming closer 
to Mother, and ultimately this practice leads to liberation from all the inner 
enemies and divine union with the blissful consciousness of Sri Lalita 
Parameswari herself. The stotram contains the names of all the divine saktis 
located within the Sri Chakra, or Sri Yantra

Sri Mahishasura Mardhini
This stotram is like a garland of flowers strung together and being offered to 
Jaganmata - Divine Mother as a token of gratitude and reverence. It is said 
that it has the same potential as any vedic mantra because it contains all 
powerful Sanskrit bijaksharas.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

If meditation is good for the individual, it should also be good for the 
collective.

>
> Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically proven way to dissolve 
> individual stress, and if society is composed of individuals, then it seems 
> like common sense to use meditation to similarly defuse societal stress. A 
> reduction in crime and stress-related behavior would then be expected to 
> follow.
> 
> >
> > A remarkable series of scientifically credible studies has shown a link 
> > between group meditation and lowered incidents of violence and crime.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

Since meditation provides an effective, scientifically proven way to dissolve 
individual stress, and if society is composed of individuals, then it seems 
like common sense to use meditation to similarly defuse societal stress. A 
reduction in crime and stress-related behavior would then be expected to follow.

>
> A remarkable series of scientifically credible studies has shown a link 
> between group meditation and lowered incidents of violence and crime.
>

[FairfieldLife] The Power of the Collective

[Buck]

A remarkable series of scientifically credible studies has shown a link between 
group meditation and lowered incidents of violence and crime.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Help a Saint - Lose Your Badge

[curtisdeltablues]

Curtis making a humorous aside at the end of post:

> > If you do come up with an excuse to mitigate philandering
> > please let me know. I've been looking for one to use for
> > years!
>

Judy's reaction, probably gunna be something light and humorous in response:
 
> You're on your own with that one. I'm having trouble finding
> a way to mitigate your tendency to start things and then not
> finish them, as with our most recent exchange.

Whoa, wait a second.  Are you talking to the guy who goes further post by post 
on topics with you than ANYONE here?   I participate as much as I can maintain 
interest and then move on. Which is exactly what you do also. Only you would 
consider shaming someone for pursuing their own interests in ever lengthening 
discussions here.  As if your priorities SHOULD be applied to the other poster. 
Kind of the opposite of self realization where your standards of interest is 
THE standard and I should ignore my own interests here. 

< Considering
> how badly you fared, it's not surprising.>

I'm guessing you think you won something for your "I was more something than 
someone else cabinet."  I have "fared badly" in your head Judy, not mine.  I 
have "fared" just fine.

You are being kind of cryptic here so I can only guess that you are perturbed 
that I opted out of discussing things we thought and said on AMT, which was how 
long ago exactly? Fifteen years ago?  And you are thinking that it might be a 
good use of our time to relive that antagonistic relationship because you find 
our current friendly exchanges lacking in enough rancor and venom?

As I told you I am satisfied with our work on AMT. Go back and read it again if 
you want.  But don't expect me to go looking for old posts FOR you. We both 
thought the other was being dishonest on AMT and made our cases. Predictably 
neither of us changed our opinion but we both spoke our peace 15 years ago.  At 
least I did.  I can't help you if you are unresolved about it.
  

< But as I said, it
> leaves our relationship, such as it is, wy back at
> square one as far as my opinion of you is concerned. Your
> choice, of course.>

No actually your opinion about me is not only YOUR choice, it is really none of 
my business.  You have pulled the disapproval routine once to often for me to 
care.  Disapproval is your default with certain posters here, and I am one of 
them.  I'm cool with that. It is very low level manipulation and hasn't worked 
on me for decades. 

I guess we don't share the same preference for how we like to interact and what 
we value in exchanges here. I am sorry that our current discussions are 
unsatisfying for you. It is working for me.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> 
> > > > "Householders" means you marry someone and raise a family.
> > > > It doesn't mean you get to be a rock star on the tour bus
> > > > with 20 somethings when you are in your fifties, ditching
> > > > one when you get tired of hitting that and moving on by
> > > > leaving the last girl behind when you travel.
> > > 
> > > Well, actually none of the four ashramas means this,
> > > so it's kind of a non sequitur.
> > 
> > I don't think you mean ashramas in this context.  There
> > are two contexts for the term brahmachari.  One is the
> > stage of life, the student who is surrendered to a guru
> > and lives in his ashram under his instruction.  In
> > mMaharishi's context it means celibate lifestyle at any
> > age. Maharishi was not maintaining a student lifestyle
> > his whole life.  Same with the term householder. It is
> > a stage of life in the ashramas sequence, but as
> > Maharishi used it, it was a lifestyle choice meaning
> > married at any age.
> 
> Which doesn't mean what you described either, so the "two
> contexts" distinction is irrelevant as well.
> 
> > It was not a non sequitur in the context of our discussion
> > about whether there was any justification for his sexual
> > activity based on what he said he was.
> 
> Oh, you think that's what Lawson was doing?
> 
> > As you point out there is no context where this is
> > allowed in Hinduism.
> 
> Right. That part has nothing to do with what he said he
> was.
> 
> > > And none of the four ashramas, for that matter, fit
> > > MMY's life circumstances even if you don't consider the
> > > women.
> > 
> > He was faking the last one while maintaining the bennies
> > of householder business life.
> 
> Which he was also "faking," given that he wasn't married
> with a family. As I went on to suggest:
> 
> > > One could make the case that when a person embedded in
> > > the ashrama tradition tries to mix two of the ashramas,
> > > they're very likely to shortchange both of them. Maybe
> > > that's why so many swami-types 

[FairfieldLife] Re: In 10 minutes, hurtigruten is entering Trollfjord

[whynotnow7]

I was just watching the vessel pass Ishavskatedralen, in Denmark I think? 
Zoomed in on a huge white triangular structure. This is amazing to see. Thanks. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Spectacular! And no easy trick maneuvering that big a ship
> > > > through those narrow waterways, especially with all those
> > > > little boats swarming around
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It seems the captain is used to all the small boats and doesn't mind. 
> > > BTW, it's past midnight now, the light is the "midnight sun"
> > 
> > 
> > Technically it is not the "midnight sun" yet. They have to cross the 
> > polarcircle first, which they will do tomorrow.
> 
> As you can see, the sun is up now, at am 01.15
> 
> > http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
> > > http://www.nrk.no/hurtigruten/
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: The death of the 52 y/o, contaminated herbs, bloods tests required?

[whynotnow7]

I go into a big brand drugstore and see *hundreds* of useful remedies on nearly 
every shelf, with thousands more drugs out of sight behind the pharmacy 
counter. Isn't that enough, people?? 

Given that immediate resource, concocting new things or rediscovering old 
things to ingest for various maladies doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, 
no matter how Vedic or not it may be. A couple of Ibuprofen or Alka Selzer, 
some B vitamins, work just as well as 90% of that overpriced stuff.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 18, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 18, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall  wrote:
> 
>  Men have taken herbs and now are going to India for PK, have all
>  been urged to get blood tests, stat.  From what I hear these are
>  not MAPI herbs that were contaminated, but other herbs imported
>  from India.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From what I've heard, people are getting the heavy metal  
> >>> contaminated herbs from Dr. Raju's clinic in India, when they go  
> >>> there for PK. Apparently, just this spring, there have been five  
> >>> cases of lead poisoning. Lately, MAPI advertisements have made a  
> >>> point of disclosing that their herbs are tested for heavy metals.
> >>
> >>
> >> Since many Ayurvedic meds, esp. siddha meds, contain various  
> >> poisons and heavy metals as part of their formulas, these do not  
> >> represent "contamination" but the actual contents of the formulas!
> >>
> >> Poisoning from Ayurvedic compounds has been on the rise for years.
> >>
> >
> >
> > So, the poisoning is a feature, not a bug.
> 
> There are actually two scenarios that have been seen. One is  
> Ayurvedic meds with heavy metals or poisons as part of their  
> formulation. Another is when disreputable Ayurvedic pharmaceutical  
> companies purchase herbs which are from contaminated sites or which  
> have been discarded by other companies - then these herbs are made  
> into concentrated extractions, which "ups" the concentration of  
> contaminants.
>