[FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Cynical? Despicable I would have said, we want something done because it will net us more money and oil, but we use kids from the third world to achieve it. Nice. Maybe we could use illegal immigrants from the UK and offer them citizenship if they get back with their heads still attached. Be fun to see the Grauniad comment page about that! Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. The trouble with the UN is that there are too many opt outs and vetoes to protect allies interests. If it wasn't so toothless and countries (I'm thinking the US in particular) actually stood by the code we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. We made this bed, everyone including the CIA warned Bush what would happen if we removed Saddam but all they could see was the dollar signs. As it is now the Islamists have two options, they can settle with a Sunni state like the one that existed before we carved up the middle east for our won post-imperial ends. Or they will use their new territory to plan further 11/9 type attacks. Either way the west will have to get in there and fight because in the first scenario we lose the oil that is scheduled to replace Saudi's output when that declines later this century. Can't have that in the hands of a bunch of nutjobs who hate our guts. And the second won't be considered an option at all. Bush wanted an endless war, this should teach us to be careful what you wish for! I imagine there will be drone strikes by the dozen starting very soon, which is guaranteed inspire a new generation of jihadi's just like it is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Hey ho Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. It can always get worse. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
[FairfieldLife] The U word
OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and sometimes dangerous side effects are not only OK but a sign that Something good is happening, they've been trained to NOT EVEN SEE CRAZINESS when it appears right in front of them. What's to notice? It's just unstressing. Instead when the inevitable happens they blame the victim (He must have had psychological problems before he went on that course) or they blame the people who fight the indoctrination and actually notice (Why are you critics homing in on this one suicide/murder/outrage when TM has helped so many others?), and they keep their heads buried firmly in the sandpile of Something good is happening. This
[FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
I like the idea of the never ending nature of unstressing. I remember being on a course and someone who had been meditating for decades asked how long unstressing was supposed to take and the course leader said that once you've dealt with stress from this life you have to de-stress all your previous lives, and while you are doing all that you are also de-stressing the environment! Even though I was a newbie I wasn't convinced by the previous life cop-out. How would something that someone with a different did a hundred years ago get woven into my physiology? It seems like unabashed bullshitting to cover up the fact that Marshy didn't know how to make us enlightened, but kept us on courses because we were more likely to have experiences there that we'd be told were a sign that we were getting somewhere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been
Re: [FairfieldLife] The U word
Excellent rap - good food for thought. Thanks Barry. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] The U word OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and sometimes dangerous side effects are not only OK but a sign that Something good is happening, they've been trained to NOT EVEN SEE CRAZINESS when it appears right in front of them. What's to notice? It's just unstressing. Instead when the inevitable happens they blame the victim (He must have had psychological
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Steve, I thought this was a good summary. I remember when someone once asked Maharishi about CC and he said that it was ok, a stepping stone. On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:51 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
[FairfieldLife] Graphing Barry's waking state intellect
Yep, thanks for noticing and appreciating this. I have been working at developing this Cartesian graphing of mysticism as a thesis for a while as an aid in helping those people who are reserved or even flat out skeptical about spirituality to be better able to place mysticism and mystics within the histories of different spiritual/religious movements. -Buck fleetwood_macncheese writes: horsing around - lol Yes, agreed. A very grounded approach to your reading methodology - I really loved reading the description, and the way it was so cleanly put together - brilliant, really. I am a total engineering freak, with a perennial billboard in my head, reading, How does it work?! - for anything -- from personal interaction, lasers, growth of consciousness, internal combustion engines, tides and surf, microwave ovens, music, dog food bag fill machines, all of it. Buck writing: More inclusively, I feel we would be nothing here on FFL without some of the lower scaled of illumination by example of some of these writers posting here. Theirs is also an important dissonance to the higher plane of spiritual discussion that can go on here. I always appreciate reading Turqb and that ignorant guy from South Carolina that way too. I find in Parsing the different writers posting on FFL as a practicality towards figuring out who to read and what to spend time on reading I tend to use the tool of a paired Cartesian graph to place people on and then read according to my time and interests as people are placed on the graph. For instance, on the vertical axis I quickly scale a writer based on their posting history from a low of aggravated narcissistic disorderliness, to just the generally narcissistic, to the middle ground of the ignorant and more common psychology of the ordinary waking state, to the spiritually awakened or illumined, to the more saintly in capacity of spiritual transformation. That is on the vertical axis, low to high. On a horizontal I tend to then use a scale of relative altruistic communalism of someone[someone's use of or participation in groups] from zero or individualistic to large organizational participation. That sets people relatively nicely apart in a useful way as to where they are coming from. It provides an efficiency to sorting the list. There tend to be some people who I read all the time and some who I do not read hardly at all. Parsing using this tool becomes fun and useful for sussing writers out and placing them in to pigeon holes. In Love, -Buck, out Standing in his Field horsing around today.. https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Fleetwood Writes: It has been rather fun, over the last couple of days, noticing that Barry seized upon my request to go away, and having fun with him, since. Unfortunately, at his expense. I say unfortunately, because Barry does something that many with a weak mind, indulge in. If Barry disagrees with someone, all logic flies out the window, and his primary reaction, as someone attached to his actions (aka waking state), is emotional. He repeats insults, cherry-picks ways to discredit, and now, as we have humorously seen, even falls for my satire. Nothing in reserve. No data to back up anything, except the same crusty anecdotes that he has been trotting out, for the past 20 years. He just barfs it all out there, and thinks, well I bloody well showed them!. As you can see, with the emotionally charged, blunderbuss approach, he misses the target, more often than not. So, having made himself look the fool, he then keeps doubling down, looking more and more ridiculous. My playful request for him to, Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, go away, is much more for his benefit, than mine. I'd personally like to see him retain a shred of dignity, and take a few months off. Awoelflebater writes: The internet and TV are his life, Mac. He has nowhere else to go. Because his life is a desert he must try and make sure everyone else suffers along with him. Not that what he rants about, whether it be some insanely off-the-mark theory about Judy and Robin's private life or your enlightenment, bears any resemblance to truth or reality but he likes to believe it does. And it is true, he needs to go away simply to save himself from himself but there is no shred left of dignity or credibility for him here anyway at this point and because he has no other life he will remain until this place is no more. His exposure is complete. They is nothing else of bawee to know about. His crude and telling remarks about Judy and Robin couldn't possibly have made anyone reading them feel anything but embarrassed for bawee. He's pretty much a freak show.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boko Haram just following muslim deen
Xeno, I'm glad you and your friend survived hospital visits. Hospitals are no place for a sick person to go! OTOH, it's all grist for the mill. Definitely my desires have changed over the decades. In general I don't look to outer stuff for happiness. Comfort yes, but not genuine happiness. FFL continues to be great sadhana for me. As punditsir would say, go figure (-: On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:35 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Well, that seems to have worked out well for you. Have you noticed that the desires you had back in the beginning are not the ones you have now? That desires become more modulated, almost like they are virtual, as if they are not quite real, and that only a few actually break surface enough to act on? You seem to cruise through FFL and what people say about you rarely seems to stick. What sort of courses are you taking? Advanced metallurgy? How to make crop circles using common garden implements and atomic fusion? Pulse diagnosis using time-slice topographic laser mapping (that means you do not have to touch the person)? I spent part of the day lying on my back in the hospital getting samples extracted from my thyroid. I seem to have spent more time around hospitals lately, and not just for me. Maybe it is a function of advancing age. Someone close to me had a ruptured appendix. Now afterwards, friends mentioned they had friends or family that also had ruptured appendices (one each) and had died. Fortunately this turned out OK for my person, but people often delay thinking something else is wrong, and much to their surprise, they no longer exist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Xeno, hopefully not embarrassing you by admitting that I save a lot of your posts. Often I don't understand them all. But the tone...ah, that straight forward and clear tone, like a stream in an unspoiled forest. And often with a little nugget of humor at the end. Pure delight! At the beginning of the year I began taking some online courses so my time for FFL has been less. That's when I more consciously began focusing on the posts that are enjoyable and or potentially beneficial. Or the ones for which I have a strong opinion. In the case of your posts, I just don't know what to say except thank you over and over. Kind of repetitive, yes? Perplexing enlightenment question?! Me?! I started TM because Maharishi said we would fulfill all our desires! 39 years later I realize that was the master's perfect trick to get me on the pathless path. And that exactly what I want is here now at each and every moment. On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:11 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share wrote: I tend to go by the tone of a post. If it doesn't seem sincere and or if the poster seems to be itching for a fight, then I generally don't respond. But sometimes I do. I too think different things at different times. And sometimes I don't respond to a post because I am tired, or just fed up with FFL, but it seems that doesn't last long. Sometimes I think of opening a door and then do not, unless of course I change my mind, and then I do. Come on Share, what is your most perplexing enlightenment question? I'll hand it off to fleetwood_macandcheese so we can get the answer. This could be good. Unless of course this post is insincere. Do I sound sincere, or have I been a jerk lately?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Steve, thanks, I'm LOLing on the way to the Dome...hope you have a great day. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:08 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I posted a reply to Jim's response. We'll see if it shows up. Mine was a pretty basic, boiler plate description of how MMY described the seven states. But who knows, maybe it's a case of WOJ, (world according to Jim). I wonder if three weeks of witnessing gets one out of the penalty box. We know what two weeks of witnessing get you, WOJwise. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, I thought this was a good summary. I remember when someone once asked Maharishi about CC and he said that it was ok, a stepping stone. On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:51 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
What does your shrink say about unstressing, Barry? Have you asked him during one of your sessions? Perhaps you should bring this screed along, for your next session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and sometimes dangerous side effects are not only OK but a sign that Something good is happening, they've been trained to NOT EVEN SEE CRAZINESS when it appears right in front of them. What's to notice? It's just unstressing. Instead when the inevitable happens they blame the victim (He must have had psychological problems before he went on that course) or they blame the people who fight the indoctrination and
[FairfieldLife] Re: Graphing Barry's waking state intellect
A great start. I enjoy building models, too, mostly for business development and planning, and find the greatest fun in identifying and quantifying all of the different values, so that the model accurately represents real-world conditions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yep, thanks for noticing and appreciating this. I have been working at developing this Cartesian graphing of mysticism as a thesis for a while as an aid in helping those people who are reserved or even flat out skeptical about spirituality to be better able to place mysticism and mystics within the histories of different spiritual/religious movements. -Buck fleetwood_macncheese writes: horsing around - lol Yes, agreed. A very grounded approach to your reading methodology - I really loved reading the description, and the way it was so cleanly put together - brilliant, really. I am a total engineering freak, with a perennial billboard in my head, reading, How does it work?! - for anything -- from personal interaction, lasers, growth of consciousness, internal combustion engines, tides and surf, microwave ovens, music, dog food bag fill machines, all of it. Buck writing: More inclusively, I feel we would be nothing here on FFL without some of the lower scaled of illumination by example of some of these writers posting here. Theirs is also an important dissonance to the higher plane of spiritual discussion that can go on here. I always appreciate reading Turqb and that ignorant guy from South Carolina that way too. I find in Parsing the different writers posting on FFL as a practicality towards figuring out who to read and what to spend time on reading I tend to use the tool of a paired Cartesian graph to place people on and then read according to my time and interests as people are placed on the graph. For instance, on the vertical axis I quickly scale a writer based on their posting history from a low of aggravated narcissistic disorderliness, to just the generally narcissistic, to the middle ground of the ignorant and more common psychology of the ordinary waking state, to the spiritually awakened or illumined, to the more saintly in capacity of spiritual transformation. That is on the vertical axis, low to high. On a horizontal I tend to then use a scale of relative altruistic communalism of someone[someone's use of or participation in groups] from zero or individualistic to large organizational participation. That sets people relatively nicely apart in a useful way as to where they are coming from. It provides an efficiency to sorting the list. There tend to be some people who I read all the time and some who I do not read hardly at all. Parsing using this tool becomes fun and useful for sussing writers out and placing them in to pigeon holes. In Love, -Buck, out Standing in his Field horsing around today.. https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Fleetwood Writes: It has been rather fun, over the last couple of days, noticing that Barry seized upon my request to go away, and having fun with him, since. Unfortunately, at his expense. I say unfortunately, because Barry does something that many with a weak mind, indulge in. If Barry disagrees with someone, all logic flies out the window, and his primary reaction, as someone attached to his actions (aka waking state), is emotional. He repeats insults, cherry-picks ways to discredit, and now, as we have humorously seen, even falls for my satire. Nothing in reserve. No data to back up anything, except the same crusty anecdotes that he has been trotting out, for the past 20 years. He just barfs it all out there, and thinks, well I bloody well showed them!. As you can see, with the emotionally charged, blunderbuss approach, he misses the target, more often than not. So, having made himself look the fool, he then keeps doubling down, looking more and more ridiculous. My playful request for him to, Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, go away, is much more for his benefit, than mine. I'd personally like to see him retain a shred of dignity, and take a few months off. Awoelflebater writes: The internet and TV are his life, Mac. He has nowhere else to go. Because his life is a desert he must try and make sure everyone else suffers along with him. Not that what he rants about, whether it be some insanely off-the-mark theory about Judy and Robin's private life or your enlightenment, bears any resemblance to truth or reality but he likes to believe it does. And it is true, he needs to go away simply to save himself from himself but there is no shred left of dignity or credibility for him here anyway at this point and because he has no other life he will remain until this place is no more. His exposure is complete. They is nothing
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
ReAmericans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. On 6/12/2014 3:24 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Cynical? Despicable I would have said, we want something done because it will net us more money and oil, but we use kids from the third world to achieve it. Nice. Maybe we could use illegal immigrants from the UK and offer them citizenship if they get back with their heads still attached. Be fun to see the Grauniad comment page about that! Try this experiment: Pretend it's late at night and dark outside. What fuel you have in your car at this moment is all that is available. The first thing you do is drive to the petrol station to get some more fuel, but the lines at the pump already has 100 cars waiting in line. So, you get out of the car and head to the nearest green grocer to get some food, but the shelves have been emptied except for a few bags of uncooked beans - no water, no meat, no veggies - nothing. So, you drive back home to take stock of your situation. But, you discover that you have no power in your house - no heat and no lights. So, you rummage around trying to find a candle or two. Then, you discover that you can't cook the beans because you have an electric stove. So, you build a fire in your backyard to boil some water, but the spigot is dry. So, you look out your window wondering what to do and you see an armed gang heading up your sidewalk. In a panic you lock the doors and look around for a defensive weapon, so you grab a kitchen knife. About this time your hear the breaking of glass, so you run upstairs and cower inside a closet or attic crawl space. After an hour or two you slowly come out to find your house totally ransacked, stripped bare. At, this point you really begin to panic, so you run out the back door to find your neighbor dead on the sidewalk. What do you do next for the next? You get on your bicycle and go look for a gang of Teddy Boys to join up with. Yeah, that would be fun to watch! Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. The trouble with the UN is that there are too many opt outs and vetoes to protect allies interests. If it wasn't so toothless and countries (I'm thinking the US in particular) actually stood by the code we wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. We made this bed, everyone including the CIA warned Bush what would happen if we removed Saddam but all they could see was the dollar signs. As it is now the Islamists have two options, they can settle with a Sunni state like the one that existed before we carved up the middle east for our won post-imperial ends. Or they will use their new territory to plan further 11/9 type attacks. Either way the west will have to get in there and fight because in the first scenario we lose the oil that is scheduled to replace Saudi's output when that declines later this century. Can't have that in the hands of a bunch of nutjobs who hate our guts. And the second won't be considered an option at all. Bush wanted an endless war, this should teach us to be careful what you wish for! I imagine there will be drone strikes by the dozen starting very soon, which is guaranteed inspire a new generation of jihadi's just like it is in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Hey ho Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. It can always get worse. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Boko Haram just following muslim deen
On 6/11/2014 11:24 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yeah, but it looks A LOT BETTER in color, than your recasting in black and white. See? Nit. OMG. can I barf now?? OMG. can I barf now?? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 11:01 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Xeno, hopefully not embarrassing you by admitting that I save a lot of your posts. Often I don't understand them all. But the tone...ah, that straight forward and clear tone, like a stream in an unspoiled forest. And often with a little nugget of humor at the end. Pure delight! OMG. can I barfnow?? Ankle-bite. At the beginning of the year I began taking some online courses so my time for FFL has been less. That's when I more consciously began focusing on the posts that are enjoyable and or potentially beneficial. Or the ones for which I have a strong opinion. In the case of your posts, I just don't know what to say except thank you over and over. Kind of repetitive, yes? Perplexing enlightenment question?! Me?! I started TM because Maharishi said we would fulfill all our desires! 39 years later I realize that was the master's perfect trick to get me on the pathless path. And that exactly what I want is here now at each and every moment. On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 4:11 PM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] mailto:anartaxius@...[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share wrote: I tend to go by the tone of a post. If it doesn't seem sincere and or if the poster seems to be itching for a fight, then I generally don't respond. But sometimes I do. I too think different things at different times. And sometimes I don't respond to a post because I am tired, or just fed up with FFL, but it seems that doesn't last long. Sometimes I think of opening a door and then do not, unless of course I change my mind, and then I do. Come on Share, what is your most perplexing enlightenment question? I'll hand it off to fleetwood_macandcheese so we can get the answer. This could be good. Unless of course this post is insincere. Do I sound sincere, or have I been a jerk lately?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/11/2014 11:51 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. What if you just woke up one morning and realized that /Reality is one/, not two - without any striving, effort, yoga practice, meditation or complicated metaphysics? There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. What if you realized that /Reality was one, not two/, and that you were free and immortal - and that you were not an individual person at all and that the engine, the manual, and your own previous understanding was just a dream, not real - but at the same time not unreal either. What would you call that state? Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
The Turq doesn't believe in unstressing because according to his Buddhism he is already enlightened. No stress, no unstressing. What others would call his endless rants on the internet against the only Saint he met, however briefly, is another matter :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What does your shrink say about unstressing, Barry? Have you asked him during one of your sessions? Perhaps you should bring this screed along, for your next session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and sometimes dangerous side effects are not only OK but a sign that Something good is
[FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's
Re: [FairfieldLife] The U word
On 6/12/2014 3:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. What if you were sitting at a cafe and you realized that you only had enough money for a single cup of coffee because your savings was depleted and your visa was expired? That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. What if you were sitting at a cafe and you realized that what you had just spent an hour or two writing was just so much prattle? And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. What if you were sitting at a cafe and you realized that what you had just posted was the exact opposite of what you had posted a decade ago? A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. What if you were sitting at a cafe and you realized that everything you had ever posted about Ravi and Robin and Judy nobody cared? The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
I was born, as I said, in rural Mississippi in 1954. I was born at home. There were not a lot of educated people around and my name had been chosen from the Bible [Ruth's mother-in-law in the Book of Ruth]. My Aunt Ida had chosen the name, but nobody really knew how to spell it, so it went down as “Orpah” on my birth certificate, but people didn’t know how to pronounce it, so they put the “P” before the “R” in every place else other than the birth certificate. On the birth certificate it is Orpah, but then it got translated to Oprah, so here we are. But that's great because Oprah spells Harpo backwards. I don't know what Orpah spells. http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/win0int-1 http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/win0int-1 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Thanks, my memory can definitely be faulty. I read about all this a very long time ago. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:50 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I was born, as I said, in rural Mississippi in 1954. I was born at home. There were not a lot of educated people around and my name had been chosen from the Bible [Ruth's mother-in-law in the Book of Ruth]. My Aunt Ida had chosen the name, but nobody really knew how to spell it, so it went down as “Orpah” on my birth certificate, but people didn’t know how to pronounce it, so they put the “P” before the “R” in every place else other than the birth certificate. On the birth certificate it is Orpah, but then it got translated to Oprah, so here we are. But that's great because Oprah spells Harpo backwards. I don't know what Orpah spells. http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/win0int-1 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
Ah, the ultimate cultist rebuttal. It follows form nearly perfectly: 1. Deny that the behavior spoken of by the critic exists, based on *not having been present* to see it. 2. Demonize the critic in any way possible, so that lurkers (and especially *journalist* lurkers, of whom she is terrified) will discount what the critic has said. 3. Trot out the McCarthyism Defense. Wave around an imaginary set of refutations of the criticism, but fail to present them. I have on this piece of paper a list of arguments that will completely rebut everything that the critic said, but I am not going to show you the list, or post these arguments here because...uh...because the critic won't argue with me. 4. Pretend that you've won, based on 1, 2, and 3 above. 5. Ignore the issue that the critic brought up completely. From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
It was Sargent Schultz who said I see nothing. Get you facts right.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. Well, you do it for us Jim. Show us how it's done. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. You made a good distinction there Jim. However, you're overall condescending tone in general makes you look like you enjoy being a big frog in a small pond. But you do have a loud croak. And honestly, I like croaking frogs. So, I enjoy your postings. Frog Allowing His Ego To Get The Better Of Him:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Fun find, Richard. The whole post is interesting. (He clarifies later in the thread, in response to a comment, that he didn't mean to say without qualification that nobody should ever question the existence of higher spirituality and enlightenment, simply that you shouldn't take somebody else's word for their nonexistence without doing your own investigation.) Besides the content, what I find fascinating is the reasonable tone and clarity of the writing, the latter in marked contrast to his current turgid, clotted style. BTW, the posts in that thread have nothing to do with me. Someone started a thread with that title featuring comments by Mike Doughney on a post of mine--I would have just recently arrived on alt.m.t at the time--and it got split off somehow from the thread at your link. If anybody's interested, here's that post (nothing to do with Barry): http://tinyurl.com/kamf5aw http://tinyurl.com/kamf5aw My first posting was around 2000, but I read most of the threads before I joined the group. Here's a nice little gem from Barry: In the words of Forrest Gump, That's about all I've got to say about that! Listen to all sides, do your own research, and make an informed decision. But NEVER let anyone convince you that higher spirituality does not exist and that Enlighten- ment is a myth. They were around long before organizations like CAN and AFF were dreamed up, and they will be around long after these organizations have faded from the scene. Author: Barry Wright Subject: Propaganda and Judy Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: August 7, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/mcgs4r5 http://tinyurl.com/mcgs4r5
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
From: tru...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It was Sargent Schultz who said I see nothing. Get you facts right. I bow to the Hogan's Heroes expert. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
Is that what your shrink told you to say? Sounds an awful lot like the discussion you had with him, mentioned by you frequently, where you try to get a handle on your NPD. Just so you know, shrinks don't get the final say. You also always have the option of making up your own mind. Hope that helps. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Ah, the ultimate cultist rebuttal. It follows form nearly perfectly: 1. Deny that the behavior spoken of by the critic exists, based on *not having been present* to see it. 2. Demonize the critic in any way possible, so that lurkers (and especially *journalist* lurkers, of whom she is terrified) will discount what the critic has said. 3. Trot out the McCarthyism Defense. Wave around an imaginary set of refutations of the criticism, but fail to present them. I have on this piece of paper a list of arguments that will completely rebut everything that the critic said, but I am not going to show you the list, or post these arguments here because...uh...because the critic won't argue with me. 4. Pretend that you've won, based on 1, 2, and 3 above. 5. Ignore the issue that the critic brought up completely. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fair enough. I had no idea you treat *everything* in life, with equal irreverence. I am pretty irreverent myself, but I try not to cut off my nose, to spite my face. Also, to you, Barry, and everyone else with a wild hair up their ass, about spiritual Enlightenment: Enlightenment exists. I am enlightened. Many people have become enlightened. Enlightenment is possible for the average joe. Anyone can get enlightened. Enlightenment means greater attunement with the universe. It is not a value judgment, on either the enlightened, or the unenlightened. Enlightenment is not a dirty word, to be discussed only abstractly. Speaking about Enlightenment openly, and personally, is not like discussing fucking at the dinner table. So, Enlighten yourself, and get the fuck over it.:-) Lying about being enlightened Is much, much easier Than actually realizing enlightenment Especially when speaking To people with low enough standards To believe me when I do it - Jim Flanegin, Big Frog About The Pond
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Fleetwood, I don't see the value of expressing negative emotions here. If that means others think I'm dishonest and avoid me, that's their choice. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Whoa! You've got *a frog* up your ass, too? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fair enough. I had no idea you treat *everything* in life, with equal irreverence. I am pretty irreverent myself, but I try not to cut off my nose, to spite my face. Also, to you, Barry, and everyone else with a wild hair up their ass, about spiritual Enlightenment: Enlightenment exists. I am enlightened. Many people have become enlightened. Enlightenment is possible for the average joe. Anyone can get enlightened. Enlightenment means greater attunement with the universe. It is not a value judgment, on either the enlightened, or the unenlightened. Enlightenment is not a dirty word, to be discussed only abstractly. Speaking about Enlightenment openly, and personally, is not like discussing fucking at the dinner table. So, Enlighten yourself, and get the fuck over it. :-) Lying about being enlightened Is much, much easier Than actually realizing enlightenment Especially when speaking To people with low enough standards To believe me when I do it - Jim Flanegin, Big Frog About The Pond
[FairfieldLife] What If?
What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate. What if? HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)... Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control' http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a humanitarian crisis... 'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants' http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz
Re: [FairfieldLife] The U word
On 6/12/2014 6:28 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Excellent rap - good food for thought. Thanks Barry. Barry did kind of sound like he was stressed out - I wonder what his real problem is? Go figure. *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:59 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] The U word OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and sometimes dangerous side effects are not only OK but a sign that Something good is happening,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that you were out of weed and it was going to be 100 degrees in the shade today? No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Graphing Barry's waking state intellect
On 6/12/2014 7:01 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yep, thanks for noticing and appreciating this. I have been working at developing this Cartesian graphing of mysticism as a thesis for a while as an aid in helping those people who are reserved or even flat out skeptical about spirituality to be better able to place mysticism and mystics within the histories of different spiritual/religious movements. -Buck What if you woke in the morning and you found out that you had been banned from meditating the dome and the MUM campus for posting messages to a anti-TM discussion group? fleetwood_macncheese writes: horsing around - lol Yes, agreed. A very grounded approach to your reading methodology - I really loved reading the description, and the way it was so cleanly put together - brilliant, really. I am a total engineering freak, with a perennial billboard in my head, reading, How does it work?! - for anything -- from personal interaction, lasers, growth of consciousness, internal combustion engines, tides and surf, microwave ovens, music, dog food bag fill machines, all of it. Buck writing: More inclusively, I feel we would be nothing here on FFL without some of the lower scaled of illumination by example of some of these writers posting here. Theirs is also an important dissonance to the higher plane of spiritual discussion that can go on here. I always appreciate reading Turqb and that ignorant guy from South Carolina that way too. I find in Parsing the different writers posting on FFL as a practicality towards figuring out who to read and what to spend time on reading I tend to use the tool of a paired /Cartesian graph/ to place people on and then read according to my time and interests as people are placed on the graph. For instance, on the vertical axis I quickly scale a writer based on their posting history from a low of aggravated narcissistic disorderliness, to just the generally narcissistic, to the middle ground of the ignorant and more common psychology of the ordinary waking state, to the spiritually awakened or illumined, to the more saintly in capacity of spiritual transformation. That is on the vertical axis, low to high. On a horizontal I tend to then use a scale of relative /altruistic communalism/ of someone[someone's use of or participation in groups] from zero or individualistic to large organizational participation. That sets people relatively nicely apart in a useful way as to where they are coming from. It provides an efficiency to sorting the list. There tend to be some people who I read all the time and some who I do not read hardly at all. Parsing using this tool becomes fun and useful for sussing writers out and placing them in to pigeon holes. In Love, -Buck, out Standing in his Field horsing around today.. https://sites.google.com/site/buckbrannamanhorseridingnotes/ Fleetwood Writes: It has been rather fun, over the last couple of days, noticing that Barry seized upon my request to go away, and having fun with him, since. Unfortunately, at his expense. I say unfortunately, because Barry does something that many with a weak mind, indulge in. If Barry disagrees with someone, all logic flies out the window, and his primary reaction, as someone attached to his actions (aka waking state), is emotional. He repeats insults, cherry-picks ways to discredit, and now, as we have humorously seen, even falls for my satire. Nothing in reserve. No data to back up anything, except the same crusty anecdotes that he has been trotting out, for the past 20 years. He just barfs it all out there, and thinks, well I bloody well showed them!. As you can see, with the emotionally charged, blunderbuss approach, he misses the target, more often than not. So, having made himself look the fool, he then keeps doubling down, looking more and more ridiculous. My playful request for him to, Please, please, pretty please with sugar on top, go away, is much more for his benefit, than mine. I'd personally like to see him retain a shred of dignity, and take a few months off. Awoelflebater writes: The internet and TV are his life, Mac. He has nowhere else to go. Because his life is a desert he must try and make sure everyone else suffers along with him. Not that what he rants about, whether it be some insanely off-the-mark theory about Judy and Robin's private life or your enlightenment, bears any resemblance to truth or reality but he likes to believe it does. And it is true, he needs to go away simply to save himself from himself but there is no shred left of dignity or credibility for him here anyway at this point and because he has no other life he will remain until this place is no more. His exposure is complete. They is nothing else of bawee to know about. His crude and telling remarks about Judy and Robin couldn't possibly have made anyone reading them feel anything but
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Hey Steve, just wait until the Big Frog About The Pond starts bragging that because he's enlightened he can fly. In anticipation of that day, here's an article showing how *ordinary* Jimbo will be even then: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/06/11/318608249/how-we-learned-that-frogs-fly :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. Well, you do it for us Jim. Show us how it's done. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. You made a good distinction there Jim. However, you're overall condescending tone in general makes you look like you enjoy being a big frog in a small pond. But you do have a loud croak. And honestly, I like croaking frogs. So, I enjoy your postings. Frog Allowing His Ego To Get The Better Of Him:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/12/2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that you were out of weed and it was going to be 100 degrees in the shade today? I definitely would not move to Texas. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that nobody on your discussion group wanted to talk about Advaita Vedanta? Doesn't this happen every morning?
[FairfieldLife] Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
Couple comments below. Perhaps needless to say, Barry's response pretty much confirms what I said about his aberrant behavior. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Ah, the ultimate cultist rebuttal. It follows form nearly perfectly: 1. Deny that the behavior spoken of by the critic exists, based on *not having been present* to see it. Nowhere in my post did I deny that the behavior exists. This nonfact came straight out of Barry's imagination (speaking of aberrant behavior). I have no doubt it DOES exist in the TM environment (although I never spent enough time in that environment to see much of it myself). 2. Demonize the critic in any way possible, so that lurkers (and especially *journalist* lurkers, of whom she is terrified) will discount what the critic has said. Actually I'm not sure the journalist lurkers aren't mostly a myth. I certainly wouldn't be terrified of them if they weren't, but I wasn't even considering them when I wrote this. I think Barry is far more terrified of the possibility of his credibility with them being shattered by the posts of the clearer thinkers here. 3. Trot out the McCarthyism Defense. Wave around an imaginary set of refutations of the criticism, but fail to present them. I have on this piece of paper a list of arguments that will completely rebut everything that the critic said, but I am not going to show you the list, or post these arguments here because...uh...because the critic won't argue with me. Actually I said I WOULD post them if someone asked me to. But as noted, I doubt anyone is that interested. 4. Pretend that you've won, based on 1, 2, and 3 above. Another of Barry's fantasies. He's preoccupied with winning and losing, and usually doesn't dare engage with one of his own critics for fear of losing. I don't think that way. 5. Ignore the issue that the critic brought up completely. Actually the post brought up more than one issue, given its preposterousness. I chose to address the preposterousness with which the issue was presented; I don't contest the basic point that TMers, especially in a TM environment, use unstressing as an excuse for bad behavior. Barry, of course, doesn't use that excuse, but is utterly unable to address the issue of his own aberrant behavior on FFL. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any
Re: [FairfieldLife] What If?
Well, *if* that were the case, I'd look for a different way to spin it! Like it's Bush's fault! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:31 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate. What if? HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)... Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control' http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a humanitarian crisis... 'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants' http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
We've seen these before, of course, when Barry has posted them. What would Xeno conclude vis-a-vis Robin on the basis of these symptoms? Having read all his posts here, I would say that at most, three apply to Robin, and even those three to little more of an extent than is characteristic of the ordinary narcissistic traits we all possess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
to Xeno: funny, thanks to Richard: it's not complicated, I'd search for an Advaita Vedanta group! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:46 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that nobody on your discussion group wanted to talk about Advaita Vedanta? Doesn't this happen every morning?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Lest we forget, Oh, Confused One: 1. The ONLY person on here who insists that he saw another human being levitate, many times, is you. 2. The only person claiming to have been in the same room while someone lifted off the ground, is you. 3. The only person here who claims to have been wandering around in the desert when someone levitated is you. So, bullfrog, what is it you wish to enlighten us about this time, about levitation and flying? LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey Steve, just wait until the Big Frog About The Pond starts bragging that because he's enlightened he can fly. In anticipation of that day, here's an article showing how *ordinary* Jimbo will be even then: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/06/11/318608249/how-we-learned-that-frogs-fly http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/06/11/318608249/how-we-learned-that-frogs-fly :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. Well, you do it for us Jim. Show us how it's done. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. You made a good distinction there Jim. However, you're overall condescending tone in general makes you look like you enjoy being a big frog in a small pond. But you do have a loud croak. And honestly, I like croaking frogs. So, I enjoy your postings. Frog Allowing His Ego To Get The Better Of Him:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mosul Falls to Militants
On 06/11/2014 09:13 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 9:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 06/11/2014 05:26 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 3:52 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We should have won the war against the terrorists by now. The plan was to bring stability to the Middle East because that's where Europe and the U.S. was getting its oil. Nope, the idea was to destabilize the Middle East. You must believe the shit the MSM feeds you. You are not even making any sense. Repeat after me: /It was not about oil. It was not about oil./ Access to Mideast oil is important to the United States and the rest of the world economy. Access to Persian Gulf oil and the security of friendly states in the area is vital to U.S. national security - that's why the United States went to war in the Gulf in the first place. The United Nations realized that the economic lifeline of the industrial world runs from the Persian Gulf oil field. The fact is that the world economy depends on oil. Saddam Hussein was the architect of the OPEC and if he had been allowed to stay in Kuwait he could have dictated world-wide price increases triggering a world-wide depression. We had to make sure that we can sustain a world-wide supply of energy. Since America's and Europe's economy depends on foreign oil, it is undeniable that U.S. military resources would be spent securing a supply from large petroleum deposit countries that are friendly to our interests. The question that Americans must face is, at what price? The insatiable American appetite for oil is the driving force of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, whether Democrat or Republican, going all the way back to FDR. If it all boils down to economics and oil. The next question is: /Should we use up foreign oil first, and reserve ours for latter, or deplete foreign reserves by increasing imports?/ How would you like a deal on a nice big bridge?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
Perhaps not being meddlesome might be the solution. On 06/11/2014 06:47 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ReAmericans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Which three? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : We've seen these before, of course, when Barry has posted them. What would Xeno conclude vis-a-vis Robin on the basis of these symptoms? Having read all his posts here, I would say that at most, three apply to Robin, and even those three to little more of an extent than is characteristic of the ordinary narcissistic traits we all possess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. It's not complicated: The Ultimate Reality is one, not two. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? Here is a clue: Brahman is /Pure Consciousness/ - from the Sanskrit word Brahman - /to grow/. However, Brahman isn't really a state - it's all there is; the Transcendent Self. Brahman is not an object within our consciousness — because Brahman is pure consciousness. It has been described in Sanskrit as Sat-Chit-Ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) and as the highest reality. Brahman is what everything comes from. The Vedanta Sutras Complied by Badarayana V. 1, 2. Ref: http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/bs_1/1-1-02.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a body-centric identity. That's waking state, and it has very little to do with what a person does in their life, whether a POTUS, priest, or average joe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : Re: You guys can't even figure out waking state, huh? LOL Would anyone be willing to define waking state for me as it is discussed on this forum?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 7:21 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Point being, that Emily does not do TM, and although all your jargon may be a decent, though cynical, summary of MMY's 7 states model, it is nonsense to anyone who hasn't at least attended an intro lecture. Your attitude is one of a frustrated seeker, who cannot accurately explain waking state to someone else, and yet in your arrogance and gall, you decide I am your target. No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. Nit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Sorry it doesn't make sense to you Jim. I was outlining the Seven States as indicated by MMY. I realize that I didn't include Transcendental Consciousness as separate state, which according to the above it is. Yes, my bad about referring to Brahman as a consciousness. Terrible, terrible error on my part. Thanks for correcting. Oh, by the way, my audience was not the line at the grocery store. It was Emily who made an inquiry about it. If it doesn't make sense to you, why don't you offer what I assume would be an more enlightened description. Or perhaps you are qualified to speak on Emily's behalf. Go figure! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Yes, you are right. Waking State generally applies to an unenlightened state of consciousness. First you have your waking, sleeping and dreaming states of consciousness. Then you have your cosmic consciousnesses, which is transcendental consciousnesses, along with the other three - waking, sleeping and dreaming. Then after a spell, and sufficient production of soma, you become aware of the finest value of relative existence, aka, celestial perception, known as God Consciousness, or glorified cosmic consciousnesses. Then, it is said, that God, noticing someone appreciating his creation to that extent reaches out, and bestows unity consciousness upon the devotee. And those are the Seven States of Consciousness as outlined by MMY. There is also said to be Brahman Consciousness in which the wholeness of unity continues to expand into a greater and greater wholeness. I think I've got that right. But yes, waking state is considered generally a (spit) less evolved state. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymaenot@... wrote : True, I was asking about the larger definition as it seems this term is used to denote more than just the hours one's eyelids are open, although that works too. :) To prepare for fixing the toilet, which scares me, I will attempt to find peace of mind listening to this. Have a good day. Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Chopin - Complete Nocturnes (Brigitte Engerer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk 0:00:00 ➢ Op. 9, No. 1 in B-flat minor 0:05:52 ➢ Op. 9, No. 2 in E-flat major 0:10:28 ➢ Op. 9, No. 3 in B major 0:17:08 ➢ Op. 15, No. 1 in F major 0:22:06 ➢ ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdimyyD-ZQk Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Waking state is used to mean both I am awake (rather than sleeping or dreaming) and to refer, as you suggest, to waking/dreaming/sleeping as the totality of one's apperception of consciousness, i.e., not including the transcendent. Emily, I believe, was asking about the second (as it is discussed on this forum), whereas Xeno assumed she was asking about the first. So your response, it seems to me, is more appropriate in this context. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : waking state, spans all activity, composed of being up and active, asleep, or dreaming. It is a common state of consciousness. The silence, or sense of buffering, and peacefulness, that comes from deliberate acts for spiritual growth, like yoga, is either absent, or easily upset. The subjective sense of self is largely limited to a
Re: [FairfieldLife] The U word
Maharishi did not event the term. The concept of releasing stress was around long before he decided to be a monk. It's just part of the literature about the effects of meditation. It dissolves stress. In fact Maharishi probably did not invent much of anything. I think Xeno talked about Maharishi's opinion on something but for the most part Maharishi just regurgitated traditional Indian philosophy. Many Indian teachers stick close to the pedagogy and don't improvise much. I think what you are calling unstressing is people becoming stressed possibly because they're fatigued from overdoing things and their nervous system weak because of a bad diet. If you want to blame Maharishi for anything it would be for creating a dead end teaching. He was not qualified to do much more than teach meditation and trying to make more Maharishis would have brought the Indian spiritual community down on him and he knew it. On 06/12/2014 01:59 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
On 6/12/2014 7:27 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What does your shrink say about unstressing, Barry? Have you asked him during one of your sessions? Perhaps you should bring this screed along, for your next session. Maybe Barry should give himself a stress test and then he could write it up as a science article. Anything that poses a challenge or a threat to our well-being is a stress. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/145855.php http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress/biology/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stress_%28biology%29 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. After decades and decades of being told that the aberrant and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
On 6/12/2014 8:35 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: The Turq doesn't believe in unstressing because according to his Buddhism he is already enlightened. According to the Adi Shankara, we are already enlightened at birth, but because of ignorance, we don't realize it. The Adi probably adopted this idea from the Vijnanavada in Buddhism. No stress, no unstressing. What others would call his endless rants on the internet against the only Saint he met, however briefly, is another matter :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : What does your shrink say about unstressing, Barry? Have you asked him during one of your sessions? Perhaps you should bring this screed along, for your next session. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all been taught that all of this aberrant behavior they see around them is just unstressing. They are so USED TO using this buzzword to EXCUSE the aberrant behavior they see around them (and in themselves) that they are no longer capable of *recognizing* truly aberrant behavior when it shows up right under their noses. A Dean of MUM is so used to writing off dangerously aberrant behavior all around him that he leaves a person alone who has *already* stabbed another student so he can go off and do his all-important program. And murder happens. Another student starts to display psychotic behavior on a course in Europe, and rather than finding someone to treat him they lock in a basement, following MMY's superstition that this will reduce vata and cure him. Instead, he sets himself on fire and commits suicide. And here on Fairfield Life, a couple of people who almost ANYONE who has had a smattering of exposure to modern psychology can identify as seriously disturbed and possibly dangerously disturbed show up, and NO ONE NOTICES. And *not only* do they not notice, they start *encouraging* these people's psychotic behavior, and urging them to act out even more, and thus become *worse* in psychological terms. The first was Ravi. I figured out who and what he was within a couple of insane posts, and SAID SO. Some others who later became his codependents and encouraged him to act out his pyschoses also noticed, at first. Early on, they too urged him to seek some kind of psychological care. Later, *after* the severe breakdowns, *after* the court orders keeping him away from his wife and children, *after* he'd been fired from a couple of jobs, some of these same people became his co-unstressers, URGING him to act out his psychopathy on this forum and cheering him on. It finally took Rick waking up enough to notice HOW insane he was and boot him off of the forum before anything was done. The second, of course, was Robin Carlsen. I recognized the unmistakable signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and the behavior of the chronic abuser within a few posts, and again SAID SO. And again, few others even noticed. They'd spent so many decades in TM environments in which they had to make excuses every day for the minor psychoses around them that they DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE when they had encountered a major psychotic. I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Non sequitur, Share. You're avoiding fleetwood's point. In answer to your question, though, as fleetwood made clear (when you can), not all your posts have this passive-aggressive, quietly nasty quality. Some may want to read the posts of yours that aren't nasty. Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, again, if someone doesn't enjoy my posts, for whatever reason, then why are they even reading them?! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:37 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh, I strongly disagree, Share - You definitely express negative emotions on here, plenty of them. Just not in a straightforward way. Passive aggressively. Repression, or rationalization, doesn't work with that shit. Invariably, the negativity leaks out, and like many who have been admonished for expressing such things, it can be quite an internal battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I don't see the value of expressing negative emotions here. If that means others think I'm dishonest and avoid me, that's their choice. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
turq, imo life, not TM causes unstressing. Any time we relax, let our nervous system settle down, we're gonna unstress to some extent. Now, if I get a toothache, that's a form of unstressing. But I still go to the dentist. This is how the majority of long term TMers behave now, with common sense. If you were to spend some time in FF, you would find this out for yourself. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Ah, the ultimate cultist rebuttal. It follows form nearly perfectly: 1. Deny that the behavior spoken of by the critic exists, based on *not having been present* to see it. 2. Demonize the critic in any way possible, so that lurkers (and especially *journalist* lurkers, of whom she is terrified) will discount what the critic has said. 3. Trot out the McCarthyism Defense. Wave around an imaginary set of refutations of the criticism, but fail to present them. I have on this piece of paper a list of arguments that will completely rebut everything that the critic said, but I am not going to show you the list, or post these arguments here because...uh...because the critic won't argue with me. 4. Pretend that you've won, based on 1, 2, and 3 above. 5. Ignore the issue that the critic brought up completely. From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. Methinks Judy left off part of her last sentence: ...unless the negative emotion they're expressing is based on an opinion of me or my imaginary boyfriend that I don't agree with. In that case, they're LYING. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Judy, I agree with your strategy and that's what I do. Meaning, I read just about everyone's posts. But if I detect an nitpicking or baiting or hyper negative tone, then I stop reading. I am avoiding Fleetwood's point because I don't agree with his assessment of me. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Non sequitur, Share. You're avoiding fleetwood's point. In answer to your question, though, as fleetwood made clear (when you can), not all your posts have this passive-aggressive, quietly nasty quality. Some may want to read the posts of yours that aren't nasty. Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, again, if someone doesn't enjoy my posts, for whatever reason, then why are they even reading them?! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:37 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh, I strongly disagree, Share - You definitely express negative emotions on here, plenty of them. Just not in a straightforward way. Passive aggressively. Repression, or rationalization, doesn't work with that shit. Invariably, the negativity leaks out, and like many who have been admonished for expressing such things, it can be quite an internal battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I don't see the value of expressing negative emotions here. If that means others think I'm dishonest and avoid me, that's their choice. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
I've highlighted them below, with my comments. Note that my evaluations are based on his participation here. I think a case could be made that he was suffering from NPD during his enlightened period, and he might well even concede that himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Which three? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : We've seen these before, of course, when Barry has posted them. What would Xeno conclude vis-a-vis Robin on the basis of these symptoms? Having read all his posts here, I would say that at most, three apply to Robin, and even those three to little more of an extent than is characteristic of the ordinary narcissistic traits we all possess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) However, to what extent he exaggerated his achievements while he was in his enlightened period--before things fell apart--isn't clear. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Only the first part of this applies (and it may, in fact, be true that he is special and unique, given his history). Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes But no more than some others here (e.g., Barry, Vaj), and generally only to those who expressed hostility toward him (in many cases not even then). Xeno's turn...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
On 6/12/2014 8:38 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I've been doing TM for almost 40 years, but I've spent only around 2 percent of those years in a TM environment, counting TM courses and my nine-month stay in a TM facility in Asbury Park back in the mid-'90s. So presumably I don't suffer from the blindness to aberrant behavior that Barry describes. Goodness knows I see enough of it in the world I normally inhabit. And I see it on FFL almost every day, primarily in the behavior of the person who wrote the post quoted below, including in the post itself, which is mostly preposterous and delusionary (beginning with the claim that the writer is capable of diagnosing NPD in FFL participants on the basis of their posts here, especially when the writer has read only a small percentage of the participants' posts). (BTW, NPD is not generally considered to be a psychosis, a fact of which the writer is apparently ignorant.) The writer makes a number of other counterfactual assertions, apparently oblivious to how far they deviate from reality. Many of his posts generally would appear to approach psychotic thinking, depending on whether he actually believes what he says. Given how long it's been since the writer has practiced TM, we can't chalk up his aberrant behavior to unstressing. But he's clearly a fairly seriously disturbed personality. This wasn't as evident when I first encountered him on alt.m.t nearly 20 years ago. It's interesting to compare his posts back then to his current ones. Although he was never a particularly perceptive thinker, there was a clarity and a degree of thoughtfulness in his early posts that is missing or significantly diminished in his more recent output. Apparently Barry has done several 180s in the past forty years, so it's difficult to know exactly what he believes now. In the past he has posted that he believes in buddhas, enlightenment, spirits, karma, reincarnation, souls, levitation, and a state after death he calls The Bardo, in which the individual soul apparently rests for about nine days in the netherworld. But, I think almost everything he writes these days is just all about Judy and getting her attention. It seems to be working! Go figure. In the words of Forrest Gump, That's about all I've got to say about that! Listen to all sides, do your own research, and make an informed decision. But NEVER let anyone convince you that higher spirituality does not exist and that Enlighten- ment is a myth. They were around long before organizations like CAN and AFF were dreamed up, and they will be around long after these organizations have faded from the scene. Author: Barry Wright Subject: Propaganda and Judy Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: August 7, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/mcgs4r5 He, of course, will not be willing to discuss his claims and will most likely not even read my post (his refusal to be accountable for what he says is another sign, IMO, of aberrant behavior). Other folks here are probably not interested in reading or talking about any of this either, mostly because they don't take him seriously enough. So I won't attempt an analysis of the problems of the post quoted below unless someone asks me to. I suspect most readers will recognize them, in any case. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : OK, a morning cafe rap about the most dangerous word that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ever invented, and how it has fucked up generations of TMers. That word, of course, is unstressing. As any person having more than a TMer's If Maharishisez it's science, it's science knowledge of what constitutes real science knows, there is no entity called stress. It can't be identified, and only its surface symptoms can be described. But MMY, charmed by Hans Selye's buzzword, chose to steal it and use it to explain away the adverse side effects of the meditation practice he'd invented. And MMY was clear about what *causes* unstressing, as he defined it. *TM* causes it. You practice TM, and it *causes* the adverse side effects that many of its practitioners reported and demonstrated, especially if they were doing more TM than normal, on rounding courses. These side effects included depression, confusion, being spaced out, erratic anti-social behavior, suicidal thoughts, actual suicides, lashing out and attacking other people verbally and occasionally physically, and even murder. But Maharishisez this is All Good. Without a shred of evidence to support his theory, he explained that all of this aberrant behavior indicates that Something good is happening. And people BELIEVED this bullshit, because they wanted to believe those four bullshit words, and because they didn't want to take responsibility for their *own* aberrant behavior when they fell prey to it. It's not me...it's just unstressing. Now fast forward a few decades to a few generations of TMers who have all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Methinks Barry is thoroughly stuck in his obsessive fantasy world. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. Methinks Judy left off part of her last sentence: ...unless the negative emotion they're expressing is based on an opinion of me or my imaginary boyfriend that I don't agree with. In that case, they're LYING. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 8:50 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I was born, as I said, in rural Mississippi in 1954. I was born at home. There were not a lot of educated people around and my name had been chosen from the Bible [Ruth's mother-in-law in the Book of Ruth]. My Aunt Ida had chosen the name, but nobody really knew how to spell it, so it went down as “Orpah” on my birth certificate, but people didn’t know how to pronounce it, so they put the “P” before the “R” in every place else other than the birth certificate. On the birth certificate it is Orpah, but then it got translated to Oprah, so here we are. * But that's great because Oprah spells Harpo backwards. I don't know what Orpah spells.* http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/win0int-1 So, who is going to clean up all the barf coming from the Cheese-o's mouth? It looks like in his effort to nitpick on Share, that he stepped in it. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
[FairfieldLife] Perfect home for Nabby
Next time someone feels like telling him to crawl back under a rock, he'll probably consider it if he could live under *this* rock, because he could use its Woo Woo to better communicate with the Space Brothers: The 1950s Flying Saucer Conventions at an Underground Rock House The 1950s Flying Saucer Conventions at an Underground... Have you ever heard the one about the guy who literally lived under a rock in the Californian desert, where legendary flying saucer conventions were held in View on www.messynessychi... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
John, there must be some connection between war and money in the US chart. What do you think? On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:04 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Seraphita, Mercenary soldiers are not going to work for the USA. You see, the military provides jobs and careers for Americans. It provides income to individual families who are in the military. And, the military bases provide jobs for several cities throughout the country, which in turn support the economy of the various states. Further, there are key industries in the USA which are dependent on the development of military planes, ships, weapons, ammunition and technology for their income. These are called the military-industrial complex. IMO, this is the reason why the USA has the inherent capacity to get involved in wars. I hate to say it. But war creates money for this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ReAmericans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
I think this is dangerous. I think, in fact, that the Col. Klink-like I see nuthink acceptance of crazy behavior they've been trained to exhibit because of HOW MANY people around them are acting crazy is probably worse for them in the long run than the actual *cause* of this aberrant behavior -- TM. On 6/12/2014 9:16 AM, tru...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It was Sargent Schultz who said I see nothing. Get you facts right. So, you're saying that it was Sargent Schultz that said I see nothing, not Colonel Klink? So, I wonder what else Barry got wrong in this post? Isn't he supposed to be writing science articles for some learned journal back in the States? Go figure. This is one of the few proven stress management techniques that has been tested with our best science, says Noel Bairey-Merz, M.D., director of the Preventive Cardiology Center at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles. I would concur that it appears to have an effect on blood pressure and carotid artery thickness, and it has no adverse effects. I would say this is ready for prime time. 'Meditation May Reduce Heart Attack and Stroke Risk' The Lancet (United Kingdom)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Kurds NOT militants
Yes to getting out ASAP! Col Leed USA Ret meditate more In a message dated 6/12/2014 11:54:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com writes: Perhaps not being meddlesome might be the solution. On 06/11/2014 06:47 PM, _s3raphita@yahoo.com_ (mailto:s3raph...@yahoo.com) [FairfieldLife] wrote: Re Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In _FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , _jr_esq@..._ (mailto:jr_esq@...) wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In _FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , _punditster@..._ (mailto:punditster@...) wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, _jr_esq@..._ (mailto:jr_esq@...) [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-1 42850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The U word
On 6/12/2014 9:19 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *From:* tru...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com It was Sargent Schultz who said I see nothing. Get you facts right. I bow to the Hogan's Heroes expert. :-) One of the best ways I've found to /unstress/ is posting comments to an online discussion group like /Google Groups and/or Yahoo Groups/. It not only helps relieve stress but it also helps me get my own thoughts organized. Not only are online discussions a great source of information, but the debates help me understand what it is I'm doing and why. After nearly fifteen years of posting, I've written a whole book! It works for me a lot better than kicking a tree or yelling at the TV set. Go figure. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives.htm Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. YOU SUCK AS A SPIRITUAL TEACHER!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 9:19 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Fun find, Richard. The whole post is interesting. (He clarifies later in the thread, in response to a comment, that he didn't mean to say without qualification that nobody should ever question the existence of higher spirituality and enlightenment, simply that you shouldn't take somebody else's word for their nonexistence without doing your own investigation.) Back then, I was working at /Scan Code/ when Windows '95 came out and we got our dial-up connection with /Compuserv./ So, I went out and bought a US Robotics 14.40 bps dial-up modem and hooked it up to my new 386 PC clone. Then, I logged on to /Deja News/ that was started by some friends in Austin. That's when I discovered your comments - I was really impressed! Later, I moved up to a 36.6 modem and Windows '98. I still have my U.S. Robotics 56.6 modem and the old computer and they still work. Now I'm on broadband and that's a lot better! It was complicated back then before MS Windows. The key words in Barry's old posting are: /But NEVER let anyone convince you that higher spirituality does not exist and that Enlightenment is a myth./ Besides the content, what I find fascinating is the reasonable tone and clarity of the writing, the latter in marked contrast to his current turgid, clotted style. BTW, the posts in that thread have nothing to do with me. Someone started a thread with that title featuring comments by Mike Doughney on a post of mine--I would have just recently arrived on alt.m.t at the time--and it got split off somehow from the thread at your link. If anybody's interested, here's that post (nothing to do with Barry): http://tinyurl.com/kamf5aw My first posting was around 2000, but I read most of the threads before I joined the group. Here's a nice little gem from Barry: In the words of Forrest Gump, That's about all I've got to say about that! Listen to all sides, do your own research, and make an informed decision. But NEVER let anyone convince you that higher spirituality does not exist and that Enlighten- ment is a myth. They were around long before organizations like CAN and AFF were dreamed up, and they will be around long after these organizations have faded from the scene. Author: Barry Wright Subject: Propaganda and Judy Forum: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: August 7, 1994 http://tinyurl.com/mcgs4r5
[FairfieldLife] An Uncle Tantra evening in Leiden
In a couple of minutes I'll be going out to a nearby church to hear some church music written by an atheist. Really. She's a lapsed Catholic presenting this music in a gorgeous cathedral as part of her thesis. She's a friend of a friend of mine, coincidentally the same guy who recently submitted research showing that mice do run in exercise wheels left in the woods, just for the fun of it. He is remarkably good-humored about being submitted for an Ignoble Prize for his efforts. Afterwards, I'll walk a couple of blocks to Bad Habits, where they have a Monster TV set up in the patio, there to watch the first World Cup game, between Brazil and Croatia. I am SO not a football fan, but hey! it's the World Cup, and if Tibetan boy-monks go to all the trouble we saw in the film The Cup to see it, there must be something there to pay attention to. You guys have fun whatever you're doing...
[FairfieldLife] Dying star...
Scroll down for awesome 4 year time lapse video from the Hubble space telescope of a stars death throes. Outstanding Time-Lapse of a Stellar Explosion From Hubble | IFLScience http://www.iflscience.com/space/outstanding-time-lapse-stellar-explosion-hubble http://www.iflscience.com/space/outstanding-time-lapse-stellar-explosion-hubble Outstanding Time-Lapse of a Stellar Explosion From Hubbl... http://www.iflscience.com/space/outstanding-time-lapse-stellar-explosion-hubble In January 2002, astronomers discovered a massive explosion coming from V838 Monocerotis. They initially thought they were witnessing a supe... View on www.iflscience.com http://www.iflscience.com/space/outstanding-time-lapse-stellar-explosion-hubble Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
Enlightenment exists. I am enlightened. Many people have become enlightened. Enlightenment is possible for the average joe. Anyone can get enlightened. Enlightenment means greater attunement with the universe. It is not a value judgment, on either the enlightened, or the unenlightened. Enlightenment is not a dirty word, to be discussed only abstractly. Speaking about Enlightenment openly, and personally, is not like discussing fucking at the dinner table. *So, Enlighten yourself, and get the fuck over it.**:-)* Lying about being enlightened Is much, much easier Than actually realizing enlightenment Especially when speaking To people with low enough standards To believe me when I do it - Jim Flanegin, Big Frog About The Pond ///Listen to all sides, do your own research,// //and make an informed decision. But NEVER let anyone convince// //you that higher spirituality does not exist and that Enlighten-// //ment is a myth. They were around long before organizations// //like CAN and AFF were dreamed up, and they will be around// //long after these organizations have faded from the scene.// // //Author: Barry Wright// //August 7, 1994// //http://tinyurl.com/mcgs4r5/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
These are OK. I would probably add the rest except being envious. This does not however define the degree of each. As I am not a professional in this field, and not knowing Robin personally, just via text on the Internet, a diagnosis would not hold up in court. As you were favourable to him, perhaps certain traits did not arise as in the case of some of us others. In general I found him a bit creepy and insincere. While I disagree with you about many things, such as your attitude on certain subjects, and your mode of argument at times, I would much rather have you at my back than Robin. Especially when you posts are fact finding etc., you seem pretty much on the level, when you are not trying to be 'authentic'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I've highlighted them below, with my comments. Note that my evaluations are based on his participation here. I think a case could be made that he was suffering from NPD during his enlightened period, and he might well even concede that himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Which three? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : We've seen these before, of course, when Barry has posted them. What would Xeno conclude vis-a-vis Robin on the basis of these symptoms? Having read all his posts here, I would say that at most, three apply to Robin, and even those three to little more of an extent than is characteristic of the ordinary narcissistic traits we all possess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) However, to what extent he exaggerated his achievements while he was in his enlightened period--before things fell apart--isn't clear. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Only the first part of this applies (and it may, in fact, be true that he is special and unique, given his history). Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes But no more than some others here (e.g., Barry, Vaj), and generally only to those who expressed hostility toward him (in many cases not even then). Xeno's turn...
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: an interesting article
---BeginMessage--- Hello. I decided to translate this article for you from Bulgarian as I liked it a lot. Excuse the roughness of the translation. Enjoy, Yotka *How a Single Word Can Cause a Cancer* Scientists have shown that the word has a direct influence on the structure of the DNA molecules, and therefore on people in general. Whatever terminology a man uses, as his vocabulary luggage is, so is his life. Occasionally in society discussions flare about whether to curse. Scientists say swearing literally runs into the genetic apparatus as a result of which mutations that lead to degeneration are carried from one generation to the next. When a person is constantly cursing, its chromosomes break and bend and genes change places. As a result, DNA begins to produce unnatural programs thus to next generation is gradually transmitted a provision for self destruction. Experiments with irradiating seeds of plants with words have been done for years. Almost all seeds die and the surviving become genetic freaks. These monstrous seeds bring about many diseases that are transmitted by inheritance. After several generations their descendants completely degenerate. Interesting fact: the mutagenic effect does not depend on the volume of the word being spoken, it can be pronounced loudly or whispered. The conclusion of the researchers is this: certain words have not energetic but information effects on DNA. The opposite experiment has also been done. Scientists 'blessed' seeds that were killed by the powerful radiation exposure. As a result, confused genes, chromosomes and torn helix of DNA returned to their former places and dead seeds got revived. Skeptics are distrustful of those conclusions. How can ordinary words influence heredity? Our idea of the genetic apparatus as consisting solely of chemicals is outdated. To build alive being by DNA, much more complex structures are needed. The human programming is embedded in the physical fields created around chromosomes and has a holographic structure. All information about the past, present and future of the body is contained at any point of the wave genome in concentrated form. DNA molecules exchange this information via electromagnetic waves, including acoustic and light. Today, scientists have learned to load DNA with the energy of light and sound. Emanating certain genetic programs, they stimulate the body's reserve capacity. The conclusion is unequivocal - DNA perceives human speech. Its ears are ideally suited to capture acoustic vibrations. Pushkin once wrote to his wife, do not stain your soul by reading French novels ... Someone might smile at the recommendation of the genius, but scientists have discovered that even silent reading reaches the cell nucleus by electromagnetic channels. One text heals heredity and another traumatizes it. Renowned physicist Pyotr Garyaev believes that by using verbal thought-forms a person creates their genetic apparatus. For example, the child inherits from his parents deforming program and starts swearing and cursing. So he destroys himself and his environment, both social and psychological. And this snowball is rolling down from generation to generation. So our genetic apparatus cares about what books we read. Everything is sealed in the wave genome, i.e. in the wave genetic program that changes in one direction or another heredity and the programming of each cell. One word can cause an incurable disease, and another can heal people. Moreover, your DNA does not know whether you are communicating with real people or characters from the TV series. A man looks like a memorial book that records their own reactions and the wishes of all others, including their own. This information not only forms his personality, but is sealed in his DNA. The health of his descendants depends on its content. silnabulgaria.com ---End Message---
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 9:29 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Whoa! You've got *a frog* up your ass, too? Or a cob. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Fair enough. I had no idea you treat *everything* in life, with equal irreverence. I am pretty irreverent myself, but I try not to cut off my nose, to spite my face. Also, to you, Barry, and everyone else with a wild hair up their ass, about spiritual Enlightenment: Enlightenment exists. I am enlightened. Many people have become enlightened. Enlightenment is possible for the average joe. Anyone can get enlightened. Enlightenment means greater attunement with the universe. It is not a value judgment, on either the enlightened, or the unenlightened. Enlightenment is not a dirty word, to be discussed only abstractly. Speaking about Enlightenment openly, and personally, is not like discussing fucking at the dinner table. So, Enlighten yourself, and get the fuck over it.:-) Lying about being enlightened Is much, much easier Than actually realizing enlightenment Especially when speaking To people with low enough standards To believe me when I do it - Jim Flanegin, Big Frog About The Pond
[FairfieldLife] Re: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
I have no idea what perhaps certain traits did not arise could mean. I read all his posts, not just those addressed to me, so I saw what traits there were. Just for one example, I saw plenty of empathy (three exchanges that come immediately to mind were with Emily, Raunchy, and Lawson). I saw none of the others that I didn't highlight (preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love??) that were, as I said, in excess of the ordinary narcissism in all of us (and zero of the trait I just put in parentheses). He was never insincere except when he was being ironic. I can't imagine what anyone thought they saw that was creepy. I did think he went a bit overboard in his feud with Curtis; he should have seen that he wasn't getting anywhere and just let it drop. On the other hand, as I've said, I think he nailed Curtis to the wall in his analyses of Curtis's personality and behavior. It's interesting to recall that for that first part of their conversation, until Robin started calling him out, Curtis thought Robin was terrific. Or, he pretended to, something of which, sadly, Curtis is entirely capable (speaking of is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends--I've had my own experiences of this with Curtis and have seen him do it to several others). BTW, I have no idea what trying to be 'authentic' means either. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : These are OK. I would probably add the rest except being envious. This does not however define the degree of each. As I am not a professional in this field, and not knowing Robin personally, just via text on the Internet, a diagnosis would not hold up in court. As you were favourable to him, perhaps certain traits did not arise as in the case of some of us others. In general I found him a bit creepy and insincere. While I disagree with you about many things, such as your attitude on certain subjects, and your mode of argument at times, I would much rather have you at my back than Robin. Especially when you posts are fact finding etc., you seem pretty much on the level, when you are not trying to be 'authentic'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : I've highlighted them below, with my comments. Note that my evaluations are based on his participation here. I think a case could be made that he was suffering from NPD during his enlightened period, and he might well even concede that himself. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Which three? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : We've seen these before, of course, when Barry has posted them. What would Xeno conclude vis-a-vis Robin on the basis of these symptoms? Having read all his posts here, I would say that at most, three apply to Robin, and even those three to little more of an extent than is characteristic of the ordinary narcissistic traits we all possess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) However, to what extent he exaggerated his achievements while he was in his enlightened period--before things fell apart--isn't clear. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Only the first part of this applies (and it may, in fact, be true that he is special and unique, given his history). Requires excessive admiration Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes But no more than some others here (e.g., Barry, Vaj), and generally only to those who expressed hostility toward him (in many cases not even then). Xeno's turn... Nor do I have any idea what trying to be 'authentic' means. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : These are OK. I would probably add the rest except being envious. This does not however define the degree of each. As I am not a professional in this field, and not knowing Robin personally, just via text
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
So, it's all about Steve. On 6/12/2014 9:40 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Hey Steve, just wait until the Big Frog About The Pond starts bragging that because he's enlightened he can fly. In anticipation of that day, here's an article showing how *ordinary* Jimbo will be even then: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/06/11/318608249/how-we-learned-that-frogs-fly :-) *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS *From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. Well, you do it for us Jim. Show us how it's done. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. You made a good distinction there Jim. However, you're overall condescending tone in general makes you look like you enjoy being a big frog in a small pond. But you do have a loud croak. And honestly, I like croaking frogs. So, I enjoy your postings. Frog Allowing His Ego To Get The Better Of Him:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 9:41 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/12/2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that you were out of weed and it was going to be 100 degrees in the shade today? I definitely would not move to Texas. :-) Better to be hot in Texas, than without weed in Chico. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Narcissistic Personality Disorder
It looks like almost everyone has NPD. Go figure. On 6/12/2014 9:48 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: * *Has a grandiose sense of self-importance *(e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) * *Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love* * *Believes that he or she is special and unique *and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) * *Requires excessive admiration* * *Has a very strong sense of entitlement*, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations * *Is exploitative of others*, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends * *Lacks empathy*, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others * *Is often envious of others *or believes that others are envious of him or her * *Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes*
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Uncle Tantra evening in Leiden
Barry, Don't you see there's a conspiracy to make you visit a church in the guise of an atheist music concert?
Re: [FairfieldLife] What If?
On 6/12/2014 9:49 AM, Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Well, *if* that were the case, I'd look for a different way to spin it! Like it's Bush's fault! What if Obama gave up on the status of forces negotiations with Karzai because he was in a hurry to skedaddle out to play golf and then Afghanistan falls to the Taliban? On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:31 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What if you opened your local newspaper and read that the recent surge of unauthorized immigrants from Central America was caused by the U.S. President and his administration failing to enforce immigration laws? And, that by releasing thousands of parents with children, you were going to have to pay billions of dollars in taxes for the housing and medical care of thousands of parents and their children. And, that the crises had left most of the U.S. - Mexican border in control of the Mexican drug cartels? And, that because of this political trick, your political party was going to lose a majority in the U.S. Senate. What if? HOUSTON, Texas--The massive influx of adults and minors crossing into the U.S. from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador has brought the Customs and Border Protection agency past its capacity to provide security at the U.S./Mexico border, according to the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC)... Crisis Leaves 'Vast Swaths' of Border Unprotected, Cartels 'in Control' http://tinyurl.com/mfwgp5v Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson faced tough questions from Congress on Wednesday about a recent surge in illegal immigration, and agreed with lawmakers that a wave of unaccompanied children crossing illegally into the U.S. constitutes a humanitarian crisis... 'Homeland Security chief in hot seat over surge in illegal immigrants' http://tinyurl.com/mat3ggz
[FairfieldLife] Russian Bombers Flew Near California
Putin is obviously playing macho games with Obama. We also wonder: how come the American jets didn't scramble early enough to meet the challenge? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombers-california-2014-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombers-california-2014-6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: an interesting article
wleed3, thanks for the fascinating article, which I believe. Recently I was on a call with a healer who had us hold out our hands palm up. He then instructed us to say the word anger to one hand and the word love to the other hand. Then asked us what we noticed. My right hand, the one I had said anger to, was lower than the left. And felt heavier! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:06 PM, wleed3 wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - Hello. I decided to translate this article for you from Bulgarian as I liked it a lot. Excuse the roughness of the translation. Enjoy, Yotka How a Single Word Can Cause a Cancer Scientists have shown that the word has a direct influence on the structure of the DNA molecules, and therefore on people in general. Whatever terminology a man uses, as his vocabulary luggage is, so is his life. Occasionally in society discussions flare about whether to curse. Scientists say swearing literally runs into the genetic apparatus as a result of which mutations that lead to degeneration are carried from one generation to the next. When a person is constantly cursing, its chromosomes break and bend and genes change places. As a result, DNA begins to produce unnatural programs thus to next generation is gradually transmitted a provision for self destruction. Experiments with irradiating seeds of plants with words have been done for years. Almost all seeds die and the surviving become genetic freaks. These monstrous seeds bring about many diseases that are transmitted by inheritance. After several generations their descendants completely degenerate. Interesting fact: the mutagenic effect does not depend on the volume of the word being spoken, it can be pronounced loudly or whispered. The conclusion of the researchers is this: certain words have not energetic but information effects on DNA. The opposite experiment has also been done. Scientists 'blessed' seeds that were killed by the powerful radiation exposure. As a result, confused genes, chromosomes and torn helix of DNA returned to their former places and dead seeds got revived. Skeptics are distrustful of those conclusions. How can ordinary words influence heredity? Our idea of the genetic apparatus as consisting solely of chemicals is outdated. To build alive being by DNA, much more complex structures are needed. The human programming is embedded in the physical fields created around chromosomes and has a holographic structure. All information about the past, present and future of the body is contained at any point of the wave genome in concentrated form. DNA molecules exchange this information via electromagnetic waves, including acoustic and light. Today, scientists have learned to load DNA with the energy of light and sound. Emanating certain genetic programs, they stimulate the body's reserve capacity. The conclusion is unequivocal - DNA perceives human speech. Its ears are ideally suited to capture acoustic vibrations. Pushkin once wrote to his wife, do not stain your soul by reading French novels ... Someone might smile at the recommendation of the genius, but scientists have discovered that even silent reading reaches the cell nucleus by electromagnetic channels. One text heals heredity and another traumatizes it. Renowned physicist Pyotr Garyaev believes that by using verbal thought-forms a person creates their genetic apparatus. For example, the child inherits from his parents deforming program and starts swearing and cursing. So he destroys himself and his environment, both social and psychological. And this snowball is rolling down from generation to generation. So our genetic apparatus cares about what books we read. Everything is sealed in the wave genome, i.e. in the wave genetic program that changes in one direction or another heredity and the programming of each cell. One word can cause an incurable disease, and another can heal people. Moreover, your DNA does not know whether you are communicating with real people or characters from the TV series. A man looks like a memorial book that records their own reactions and the wishes of all others, including their own. This information not only forms his personality, but is sealed in his DNA. The health of his descendants depends on its content. silnabulgaria.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
Share, Yes, there is a definite connection between war and money in the US chart. Mars (meaning the military) is placed in the 7th house of conflict, signifying the potential for war. And, Mars is placed in the 10th house from Saturn (representing work), signifying the military-industrial complex that gain employment in the event of wars. Also, Mars is the 5th lord, signifying the stock market. Further, Mars is the 12th lord, signifying losses or expenses due to wars. Based on these relationships, you can see why we get into wars and why our national debt are increasing due to these wars. If you've read the news today, it appears that the drums of war are again beating after the Iraqi government lost the towns of Mosul and Tikrit to the militants. The Republicans want Obama to do something about this potential loss of US investment in Iraq. What will Obama decide? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, there must be some connection between war and money in the US chart. What do you think? On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:04 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Seraphita, Mercenary soldiers are not going to work for the USA. You see, the military provides jobs and careers for Americans. It provides income to individual families who are in the military. And, the military bases provide jobs for several cities throughout the country, which in turn support the economy of the various states. Further, there are key industries in the USA which are dependent on the development of military planes, ships, weapons, ammunition and technology for their income. These are called the military-industrial complex. IMO, this is the reason why the USA has the inherent capacity to get involved in wars. I hate to say it. But war creates money for this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 10:27 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: to Richard: it's not complicated, I'd search for an Advaita Vedanta group! Where is empty bill and Edg when we need them? On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:46 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : What if you woke up in the morning and you realized that nobody on your discussion group wanted to talk about Advaita Vedanta? Doesn't this happen every morning?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
Plus, John, I think US is in Mars mahadasa now. Anyway, what would you say is the best planet in US chart? On Thursday, June 12, 2014 3:03 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share, Yes, there is a definite connection between war and money in the US chart. Mars (meaning the military) is placed in the 7th house of conflict, signifying the potential for war. And, Mars is placed in the 10th house from Saturn (representing work), signifying the military-industrial complex that gain employment in the event of wars. Also, Mars is the 5th lord, signifying the stock market. Further, Mars is the 12th lord, signifying losses or expenses due to wars. Based on these relationships, you can see why we get into wars and why our national debt are increasing due to these wars. If you've read the news today, it appears that the drums of war are again beating after the Iraqi government lost the towns of Mosul and Tikrit to the militants. The Republicans want Obama to do something about this potential loss of US investment in Iraq. What will Obama decide? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : John, there must be some connection between war and money in the US chart. What do you think? On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:04 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Seraphita, Mercenary soldiers are not going to work for the USA. You see, the military provides jobs and careers for Americans. It provides income to individual families who are in the military. And, the military bases provide jobs for several cities throughout the country, which in turn support the economy of the various states. Further, there are key industries in the USA which are dependent on the development of military planes, ships, weapons, ammunition and technology for their income. These are called the military-industrial complex. IMO, this is the reason why the USA has the inherent capacity to get involved in wars. I hate to say it. But war creates money for this country. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : ReAmericans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
[FairfieldLife] The Adventures of Albatross and Doggerel
The dB's - The Adventures of Albatross and Doggerel - Live at SXSW, Austin, Texas 2012 http://youtu.be/cLoYF7RagBw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mosul Falls to Militants
On 6/12/2014 10:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 06/11/2014 09:13 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 9:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 06/11/2014 05:26 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 3:52 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We should have won the war against the terrorists by now. The plan was to bring stability to the Middle East because that's where Europe and the U.S. was getting its oil. Nope, the idea was to destabilize the Middle East. You must believe the shit the MSM feeds you. You are not even making any sense. Repeat after me: /It was not about oil. It was not about oil./ Access to Mideast oil is important to the United States and the rest of the world economy. Access to Persian Gulf oil and the security of friendly states in the area is vital to U.S. national security - that's why the United States went to war in the Gulf in the first place. The United Nations realized that the economic lifeline of the industrial world runs from the Persian Gulf oil field. The fact is that the world economy depends on oil. Saddam Hussein was the architect of the OPEC and if he had been allowed to stay in Kuwait he could have dictated world-wide price increases triggering a world-wide depression. We had to make sure that we can sustain a world-wide supply of energy. Since America's and Europe's economy depends on foreign oil, it is undeniable that U.S. military resources would be spent securing a supply from large petroleum deposit countries that are friendly to our interests. The question that Americans must face is, at what price? The insatiable American appetite for oil is the driving force of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, whether Democrat or Republican, going all the way back to FDR. If it all boils down to economics and oil. The next question is: /Should we use up foreign oil first, and reserve ours for latter, or deplete foreign reserves by increasing imports?/ How would you like a deal on a nice big bridge? Just answer the question: /Should we use up foreign oil first, and reserve ours for latter, or deplete foreign reserves by increasing imports?/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
On 6/12/2014 10:54 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: Perhaps not being meddlesome might be the solution. Right, we could just isolate ourselves from globalization. Let the rest of the world go to hell - it won't affect us. On 06/11/2014 06:47 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ReAmericans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. : On this issue, I wonder if a solution could be the use of mercenary troops. That is, the Third World is full of young men you would jump at the chance of escaping their impoverished situation and earning American dollars fighting for the US. The troops' officers would be American but the troops themselves foreign. That way it's not your own sons and daughters getting killed! Cynical? Yes, but a possible way forward. Using mercenaries is against UN rules - but screw the UN. Also, the use of mercenaries is often given as a cause of the Roman Empire's collapse. Relying on barbarian mercenaries was the beginning of the end as the barbarians eventually wanted a larger slice of the cake. I suppose it depends on how desperate things get - but judging by the plight of the Arab world it's pretty desperate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We are now facing a national debt of $20 trillion. Our politicians have already been warned of this situation by Bernanke and Yellen, the current Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But what have the politicians done to address the situation? None, as far as I can tell. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 6/11/2014 2:15 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: It appears that the Iraqi government will soon fall as well. I hope the US government has learned a lesson not to interfere into another country's civil war. http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaeda-linked-insurgents-capture-iraqs-second-city-142850770.html It kind of looks like the Iraqi and Afghan government was winning the civil war over there until Obama pulled the U.S.troops out. But, we've still got troops in South Korea's civil war. Maybe we should pull out of there too. Why do we need the South China Sea anyway? Or, for that matter, why do we need NATO? We are over here and they are over there - we could just sit tight and watch what happens and let the cards fall where they may - it won't affect us. Screw that economic globalization stuff - we have plenty of oil and gas in South Texas, Canada, and Mexico - let them all eat cake.
[FairfieldLife] 2 lists of possible solutions to mass shootings
Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings Adam Weinstein of Gawker.com believes there are many “gun-law improvements that no one is taking seriously,” and he has made a list of what he deems to ... View on www.truthrevolt.org Preview by Yahoo 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America Reader Supported News, Carl Gibson, gun nuts, school shootings, NRA, #gunsense, gun divestment View on readersupportednew... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mosul Falls to Militants
On 6/12/2014 3:03 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: If you've read the news today, it appears that the drums of war are again beating after the Iraqi government lost the towns of Mosul and Tikrit to the militants. The Republicans want Obama to do something about this potential loss of US investment in Iraq. What will Obama decide? It's too probably late to do anything now. Only the U.S. has the means to transport large amounts of troops and equipment to Iraq or anywhere else. The only faction that will be going into Iraq are the Iranians next door. In the next few days Baghdad will probably fall to the insurgents. Then, Afghanistan will fall to the Taliban in a few months. Syria is already down the tube - it will take a few decades for the Syrians to recover from the civil war. The Middle East will be totally destroyed within a year. Where will the Europeans get their oil then? From Russia? What if the Russians turn off the pump and send their oil and gas to China instead? It's over, Pal. You'll be paying $10 for a gallon of gasoline by this time next year. We could have won the war and stabilized the Middle East, but we got weak knees and pulled out. All those lives and money wasted. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: an interesting article
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : wleed3, thanks for the fascinating article, which I believe. Recently I was on a call with a healer who had us hold out our hands palm up. He then instructed us to say the word anger to one hand and the word love to the other hand. Then asked us what we noticed. My right hand, the one I had said anger to, was lower than the left. And felt heavier! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 2:06 PM, wleed3 WLeed3@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: - Forwarded Message - Hello. I decided to translate this article for you from Bulgarian as I liked it a lot. Excuse the roughness of the translation. Enjoy, Yotka How a Single Word Can Cause a Cancer Scientists have shown that the word has a direct influence on the structure of the DNA molecules, and therefore on people in general. Whatever terminology a man uses, as his vocabulary luggage is, so is his life. Occasionally in society discussions flare about whether to curse. Scientists say swearing literally runs into the genetic apparatus as a result of which mutations that lead to degeneration are carried from one generation to the next. When a person is constantly cursing, its chromosomes break and bend and genes change places. As a result, DNA begins to produce unnatural programs thus to next generation is gradually transmitted a provision for self destruction. Experiments with irradiating seeds of plants with words have been done for years. Almost all seeds die and the surviving become genetic freaks. These monstrous seeds bring about many diseases that are transmitted by inheritance. After several generations their descendants completely degenerate. Interesting fact: the mutagenic effect does not depend on the volume of the word being spoken, it can be pronounced loudly or whispered. The conclusion of the researchers is this: certain words have not energetic but information effects on DNA. The opposite experiment has also been done. Scientists 'blessed' seeds that were killed by the powerful radiation exposure. As a result, confused genes, chromosomes and torn helix of DNA returned to their former places and dead seeds got revived. Skeptics are distrustful of those conclusions. How can ordinary words influence heredity? Our idea of the genetic apparatus as consisting solely of chemicals is outdated. To build alive being by DNA, much more complex structures are needed. The human programming is embedded in the physical fields created around chromosomes and has a holographic structure. All information about the past, present and future of the body is contained at any point of the wave genome in concentrated form. DNA molecules exchange this information via electromagnetic waves, including acoustic and light. Today, scientists have learned to load DNA with the energy of light and sound. Emanating certain genetic programs, they stimulate the body's reserve capacity. The conclusion is unequivocal - DNA perceives human speech. Its ears are ideally suited to capture acoustic vibrations. Pushkin once wrote to his wife, do not stain your soul by reading French novels ... Someone might smile at the recommendation of the genius, but scientists have discovered that even silent reading reaches the cell nucleus by electromagnetic channels. One text heals heredity and another traumatizes it. Renowned physicist Pyotr Garyaev believes that by using verbal thought-forms a person creates their genetic apparatus. For example, the child inherits from his parents deforming program and starts swearing and cursing. So he destroys himself and his environment, both social and psychological. And this snowball is rolling down from generation to generation. So our genetic apparatus cares about what books we read. Everything is sealed in the wave genome, i.e. in the wave genetic program that changes in one direction or another heredity and the programming of each cell. One word can cause an incurable disease, and another can heal people. Moreover, your DNA does not know whether you are communicating with real people or characters from the TV series. A man looks like a memorial book that records their own reactions and the wishes of all others, including their own. This information not only forms his personality, but is sealed in his DNA. The health of his descendants depends on its content. silnabulgaria.com http://silnabulgaria.com/ I wonder if swearing in Bulgarian is the same as swearing in Hebrew. My theory, if any, would be that the anger or frustration behind the need to swear in a way that was angry and frustrated would be the catalyst for disease, not the vibration of the word itself. But who knows, maybe swear words carry inherent name/form kind of effects but this would imply those words were sort of ordained from on high to be powerful
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 lists of possible solutions to mass shootings
Here are my seven suggestions for preventing mass-murder in the U.S. 1. Repeal the Bill of Rights and the U.S Constitution. 2. Declare martial law throughout the country and enforce a curfew day and night. 3. Send in SWAT teams of police to confiscate all privately owned guns and weapons. 4. Force everyone to wear in plain sight a national I.D. card at all times or be shot on the spot. 5. Expand the NSA to monitor all movements, phone calls, email, and track internet browsing. 6. Send all mentally ill, lame or ethnic persons to a detention camp to await sentencing - keep a detailed record. 7. Offer a cash reward to relatives and neighbors for providing information to the police, the CIA, and/or the FBI. That should do it. On 6/12/2014 3:19 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gawker-finds-cure-end-mass-shootings image http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gawker-finds-cure-end-mass-shootings Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gawker-finds-cure-end-mass-shootings Adam Weinstein of Gawker.com believes there are many “gun-law improvements that no one is taking seriously,” and he has made a list of what he deems to ... View on www.truthrevolt.org http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/gawker-finds-cure-end-mass-shootings Preview by Yahoo 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24182-5-ways-to-stop-mass-shootings-in-america image http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24182-5-ways-to-stop-mass-shootings-in-america 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24182-5-ways-to-stop-mass-shootings-in-america Reader Supported News, Carl Gibson, gun nuts, school shootings, NRA, #gunsense, gun divestment View on readersupportednew... http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24182-5-ways-to-stop-mass-shootings-in-america Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Russia requesting int'l GMO watchdog agency be made
Russia is insisting on an international GMO watchdog group to be created as the US is lagging behind with food standards. Lawmakers in Russia are pushing for the birth of a global United Nations agency to not just strictly keep an eye on the turnover of GMO produce on a worldwide level, but also make it be its top priority to criticize how eating genetically modified organisms (GMO) would change human health over the long run. Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_09/Russia-requesting-intl-GMO-watchdog-agency-be-made-as-US-lags-behind-with-food-standards-6119/ http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_06_09/Russia-requesting-intl-GMO-watchdog-agency-be-made-as-US-lags-behind-with-food-standards-6119/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An Uncle Tantra evening in Leiden
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : In a couple of minutes I'll be going out to a nearby church to hear some church music written by an atheist. Really. She's a lapsed Catholic presenting this music in a gorgeous cathedral as part of her thesis. She's a friend of a friend of mine, coincidentally the same guy who recently submitted research showing that mice do run in exercise wheels left in the woods, just for the fun of it. He is remarkably good-humored about being submitted for an Ignoble Prize for his efforts. Afterwards, I'll walk a couple of blocks to Bad Habits, where they have a Monster TV set up in the patio, there to watch the first World Cup game, between Brazil and Croatia. I am SO not a football fan, but hey! it's the World Cup, and if Tibetan boy-monks go to all the trouble we saw in the film The Cup to see it, there must be something there to pay attention to. You guys have fun whatever you're doing... Thanks, I 'm spending the evening on the private boat of a friend off of Oak Bay in the waters overlooking the Olympic Mountains. It is a gorgeous day so the evening, complete with fresh oysters, champagne and chocolate ganache afterwards should prove really delicious in every way. Then I am returning home to say goodnight to the five beautiful and sweet-smelling horses who I look after before cuddling with my four dogs and husband for the night. World Cup Football is great - really exciting. Enjoy the game.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 lists of possible solutions to mass shootings
Great, Richard! Thanks for your list. That makes a total of 19 solutions! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:01 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Here are my seven suggestions for preventing mass-murder in the U.S. 1. Repeal the Bill of Rights and the U.S Constitution. 2. Declare martial law throughout the country and enforce a curfew day and night. 3. Send in SWAT teams of police to confiscate all privately owned guns and weapons. 4. Force everyone to wear in plain sight a national I.D. card at all times or be shot on the spot. 5. Expand the NSA to monitor all movements, phone calls, email, and track internet browsing. 6. Send all mentally ill, lame or ethnic persons to a detention camp to await sentencing - keep a detailed record. 7. Offer a cash reward to relatives and neighbors for providing information to the police, the CIA, and/or the FBI. That should do it. On 6/12/2014 3:19 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings Gawker Finds Cure To End Mass Shootings Adam Weinstein of Gawker.com believes there are many “gun-law improvements that no one is taking seriously,” and he has made a list of what he deems to ... View on www.truthrevolt.org Preview by Yahoo 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America 5 Ways to Stop Mass Shootings In America Reader Supported News, Carl Gibson, gun nuts, school shootings, NRA, #gunsense, gun divestment View on readersupportednew... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Sikkim shows India can emerge global organic hub: Narendra Modi
New Delhi, Jun 11: Taking the example of Sikkim, which will soon become a fully organic state, Prime Minister Narendra Mod http://www.india.com/topic/Narendra-Modi.htmli Wednesday said India’s entire north-eastern region can emulate this model to make the country a global hub for such produce. “Sikkim is a small state. It is sparsely populated. But is set to become a fully organic state soon. This is a matter of pride,” Modi said in the Lok Sabha in his reply to the debate on President Pranab Mukherjee’ http://www.india.com/topic/Pranab-Mukherjee'.htmls address to a joint session of parliament Monday. Sikkim shows India can emerge global organic hub: Narendra Modi http://www.india.com/business/sikkim-shows-india-can-emerge-global-organic-hub-narendra-modi-74085/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russian Bombers Flew Near California
I don't think we want to start a world war over this and neither do the Russians. But the US has been behaving badly lately so the Russians and Chinese want to make the bad boy notice. On 06/12/2014 12:48 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Putin is obviously playing macho games with Obama. We also wonder: how come the American jets didn't scramble early enough to meet the challenge? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombers-california-2014-6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS [1 Attachment]
Example of human levitation without any visible means of physical support: Example of Levitation On 6/12/2014 10:36 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Lest we forget, Oh, Confused One: 1. The ONLY person on here who insists that he saw another human being levitate, many times, is you. 2. The only person claiming to have been in the same room while someone lifted off the ground, is you. 3. The only person here who claims to have been wandering around in the desert when someone levitated is you. So, bullfrog, what is it you wish to enlighten us about this time, about levitation and flying? LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Hey Steve, just wait until the Big Frog About The Pond starts bragging that because he's enlightened he can fly. In anticipation of that day, here's an article showing how *ordinary* Jimbo will be even then: http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2014/06/11/318608249/how-we-learned-that-frogs-fly :-) *From:* TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:17 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS *From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : No, Steve, your poor writing and inability to explain a sequence of consciousness unfolding, in plain English, is the target, and you have not addressed that yet. Well, you do it for us Jim. Show us how it's done. As for the distinction re: Brahman, your sarcasm is unwarranted and just makes you look stupid. You made a good distinction there Jim. However, you're overall condescending tone in general makes you look like you enjoy being a big frog in a small pond. But you do have a loud croak. And honestly, I like croaking frogs. So, I enjoy your postings. Frog Allowing His Ego To Get The Better Of Him:
Re: [FairfieldLife] An Uncle Tantra evening in Leiden
It was a very Tantric evening. It started in this place, enjoying a concert presented by Emma Brown. The concert I attended is described on the 'News' page. She's English, studying here, and a bit of a prodigy. At age 8 she presented the Bishop of Nottingham with a Credo she had composed because she didn't like the version being sung at Mass. It was a formidable success. There were easily 500 people there, primarily older but drifting down into the 30s, 20s, and even a few kids. And they seemed to thoroughly enjoy the music, as did I. I thought it was as wonderful an exercise in Tantra as I have ever witnessed. I mean, the woman's an atheist, and yet she's here in Leiden while studying liturgical music composition at the Royal Conservatoire in the Hague. Tonight was her graduation. And it was beyond amazing. There were choral works, performed by the Pancras Consort, there was her performing as a mezzo-soprano with a pianist, and there were ensemble works featuring the chorus, Emma, a trumpet player, and the famous pipe organ of this church. And she really *nailed* it. As she says in her Introduction in the lengthy program, Composition is both creative and technical. A good metaphor for the two processes is architecture. Most people can draw a picture of an interesting building; few have the technical expertise to bring that building into existence. So too is composition; there is the creative aspect of finding an idea or a system to generate music, and the technical aspect of turning it into something that can be performed. Emma *performed*. Deep bow. Well done. You took an artform you love, even though you no longer believe in the same things that inspired it, and you done took it and run with it, gal. Good on you. The compositions were uplifting without being schmaltzy. They were utterly respectful of the traditions they emulated, just as Christopher Moore's Lamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal was utterly respectful of the four Gospels. I happened to sit beside a gray-haired gentleman who was obviously one of Emma's professors at the Conservatoire. I deduce this because he had in his lap not only the program notes, but the entire fuckin' score, in musical notation. He was reading through it page by page as the performance went on. Based on his reactions to this -- for him -- multimedia enjoyment of her music, I think Emma done graduated with honors. So after the concert, eschewing the opportunity to meet Emma in a big crowd, knowing that I'll probably be able to meet her less publicly at a gathering at my friend Yuri's house, I walked out of the church -- which is about to turn 700 years old next year -- and down brick-paved 17th-century streets to Bad Habits, where an equally-sized crowd of people were busy watching the first game of the World Cup. Big transition. Highly Tantric. :-) This new crowd was primarily younger, and not quite liquored up enough yet to be interesting. Nor was the game itself, because if Croatia beats Brazil on its home turf, the Apocalypse is surely upon us. I've bar watched a couple of World Cup tournaments while living in Europe -- first in Paris and then in Sitges, Spain. Both sets of crowds in the bars were WAY more fun than the people here. But then maybe it was because I tended to catch the games in which the home country teams were playing. Whatever. I gave up on the game and came home. Paris the dog needs a walk, and I have a new Christopher Moore novel to read, thus continuing the Tantric evening... Google Translate From:Detect language—AfrikaansAlbanianArabicArmenianAzerbaijaniBasqueBelarusianBengaliBosnianBulgarianCatalanCebuanoChineseCroatianCzechDanishDutchEnglishEsperantoEstonianFilipinoFinnishFrenchGalicianGeorgianGermanGreekGujaratiHaitian CreoleHausaHeb... View on translate.google.com Preview by Yahoo From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] An Uncle Tantra evening in Leiden In a couple of minutes I'll be going out to a nearby church to hear some church music written by an atheist. Really. She's a lapsed Catholic presenting this music in a gorgeous cathedral as part of her thesis. She's a friend of a friend of mine, coincidentally the same guy who recently submitted research showing that mice do run in exercise wheels left in the woods, just for the fun of it. He is remarkably good-humored about being submitted for an Ignoble Prize for his efforts. Afterwards, I'll walk a couple of blocks to Bad Habits, where they have a Monster TV set up in the patio, there to watch the first World Cup game, between Brazil and Croatia. I am SO not a football fan, but hey! it's the World Cup, and if Tibetan boy-monks go to all the trouble we saw in the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Mosul Falls to Militants
On 06/12/2014 01:14 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/12/2014 10:52 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 06/11/2014 09:13 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 9:04 PM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 06/11/2014 05:26 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: On 6/11/2014 3:52 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, One has to be realistic about the circumstances in Iraq and Afghanistan. Americans are just fed up with sending their sons and daughters over there in order to get killed for reasons beyond the defense of this country. Those wars have also literally made this nation bankrupt. We should have won the war against the terrorists by now. The plan was to bring stability to the Middle East because that's where Europe and the U.S. was getting its oil. Nope, the idea was to destabilize the Middle East. You must believe the shit the MSM feeds you. You are not even making any sense. Repeat after me: /It was not about oil. It was not about oil./ Access to Mideast oil is important to the United States and the rest of the world economy. Access to Persian Gulf oil and the security of friendly states in the area is vital to U.S. national security - that's why the United States went to war in the Gulf in the first place. The United Nations realized that the economic lifeline of the industrial world runs from the Persian Gulf oil field. The fact is that the world economy depends on oil. Saddam Hussein was the architect of the OPEC and if he had been allowed to stay in Kuwait he could have dictated world-wide price increases triggering a world-wide depression. We had to make sure that we can sustain a world-wide supply of energy. Since America's and Europe's economy depends on foreign oil, it is undeniable that U.S. military resources would be spent securing a supply from large petroleum deposit countries that are friendly to our interests. The question that Americans must face is, at what price? The insatiable American appetite for oil is the driving force of U.S. foreign and domestic policy, whether Democrat or Republican, going all the way back to FDR. If it all boils down to economics and oil. The next question is: /Should we use up foreign oil first, and reserve ours for latter, or deplete foreign reserves by increasing imports?/ How would you like a deal on a nice big bridge? Just answer the question: /Should we use up foreign oil first, and reserve ours for latter, or deplete foreign reserves by increasing imports?/ But you say it's not about oil. You are one confused critter. The US should not be sticking our nose into Iraq's business. Let them sort it out though we broke their country. The US is the bad boy of the 21st century. Go figger.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russian Bombers Flew Near California
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : I don't think we want to start a world war over this and neither do the Russians. But the US has been behaving badly lately so the Russians and Chinese want to make the bad boy notice. Yeah, lets have a war, a really good one like in the olden days. Let's face it, there's too many people and not enough oil and stuff, if we go back to a more reasonable population for a planet like this - say a billion - we'll all be a lot happier I'm sure. Iraq is already showing us the way. On 06/12/2014 12:48 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Putin is obviously playing macho games with Obama. We also wonder: how come the American jets didn't scramble early enough to meet the challenge? http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombers-california-2014-6 http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bombers-california-2014-6
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
On 6/12/2014 11:26 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Judy, I agree with your strategy and that's what I do. Meaning, I read just about everyone's posts. But if I detect an nitpicking or baiting or hyper negative tone, then I stop reading. I am avoiding Fleetwood's point because I don't agree with his assessment of me. It looks like almost everyone is avoiding what Brahman means in Vedic literature, so it's not really a big deal if Share wants to avoid getting barfed on by Cheese-o. Go figure. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:14 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Non sequitur, Share. You're avoiding fleetwood's point. In answer to your question, though, as fleetwood made clear (when you can), not all your posts have this passive-aggressive, quietly nasty quality. Some may want to read the posts of yours that /aren't/ nasty. Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, again, if someone doesn't enjoy my posts, for whatever reason, then why are they even reading them?! On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:37 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Oh, I strongly disagree, Share - You definitely express negative emotions on here, plenty of them. Just not in a straightforward way. Passive aggressively. Repression, or rationalization, doesn't work with that shit. Invariably, the negativity leaks out, and like many who have been admonished for expressing such things, it can be quite an internal battle. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, I don't see the value of expressing negative emotions here. If that means others think I'm dishonest and avoid me, that's their choice. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: No she doesn't! How the heck would she name herself Oprah, in tribute to Harpo, when it is on her birth certificate? I think you are getting confused by the name of her production company, Harpo, which is Oprah, backwards. I know you avoid confrontation on here, and would rather reveal your emotions in a passive aggressive way, but your spitefulness comes through, anyway. So the question is, Share, would you rather be known as someone who is honest with her feelings, or represses them and then gets quietly nasty, when she can? Looks like you have opted for the second option. Too bad. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Fleetwood, she calls herself Oprah as a tribute to Harpo Marx. I guess you were barfing, and in color, when that was revealed. On Thursday, June 12, 2014 12:24 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: So, Steve, it looks like they've legalized weed in Missouri... :-) No normal person is ever going to understand what you just wrote - like flipping to the middle of a badly written manual on how to pull an engine - way too involved, no context, and no understanding of the terms flung about. Em ain't a TM fool like you and me. Also it is a misnomer to call it Brahman Consciousness. Depending on the perspective of the person yakking about it, Brahman incorporates, or supercedes, consciousness. It is just referred to as Brahman. Why? No fucking clue; why does she call herself, Oprah?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ENLIGHTENMENT MYTHS
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote : Methinks Barry is thoroughly stuck in his obsessive fantasy world. stuck is an understatement. The guy is positively cemented and mixing up and pouring more of it all the time. I really liked that last sentence. It certainly speaks to how I feel. Knowing something and gaining knowledge about others must involve more than just the positive aspects. It must include all of the nuances and peaks and valleys that make up our character and our emotions. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Also, many here don't have a problem reading posts that express honest negative emotion. They may even think there is value in knowing what someone really feels. Methinks Judy left off part of her last sentence: ...unless the negative emotion they're expressing is based on an opinion of me or my imaginary boyfriend that I don't agree with. In that case, they're LYING. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Dying star...
Whoa. Cosmic, dude. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:01 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Dying star... Scroll down for awesome 4 year time lapse video from the Hubble space telescope of a stars death throes. Outstanding Time-Lapse of a Stellar Explosion From Hubble | IFLScience Outstanding Time-Lapse of a Stellar Explosion From Hubbl... In January 2002, astronomers discovered a massive explosion coming from V838 Monocerotis. They initially thought they were witnessing a supe... View on www.iflscience.com Preview by Yahoo
