[FairfieldLife] Re: A 5pm Weekday Group Meditation also for Fairfield No-badge-nik Meditators

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, Social Activism is great.need more Quakers to eventually help the 
hordes of homeless people populating our large and medium sized cities.
 But not great when it degenerates into political ideologues like many living 
in SF; or "Community Activists" who think they know what's best for people; 
when in fact they don't have a clue.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A 5pm Weekday Group Meditation also for Fairfield No-badge-nik Meditators

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Actually it seems you would like our Fairfield Quaker Meeting of meditators.  
Quaker Meetings can vary by character of the people in the meeting. Our 
Fairfield Quaker Meeting is a silent meeting.  A vocal satsang that often does 
go on mostly happens afterwards and it can be quite informing, spiritual and 
inspired in the words of it.  During the meeting itself the old adage regarding 
speaking out during meeting is that it is okay to an extent that it may add to 
the silence of the meeting.
  
Some number of years ago someone attended here who had come from meetings in 
San Francisco. In larger times of conflict Quaker Meetings can experience an 
influx of people new to the Society of Friends coming because of the social 
activism that Friends have been known for. Like, for the Friends peace and 
anti-war testimony. This occurred during the Gulf wars and before during the 
Vietnam war. This meditator who attended SF meetings before would come to our 
silent Fairfield meeting and proceed to use it as a forum to soapbox, coming in 
attendance with prepared notes to speak from.  This earnest attender was dealt 
with kindly by an old Hicksite Quaker who came to meditating in Fairfield from 
an old East coast Quaker meeting. 

 More to come on cultivating compassion, spirituality, and social-justice 
activism..  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What?? People speak "the Word of God" during silent Quaker meetings?  That's 
news to me (and a good reason for why I wouldn't get involved in that).  I'm 
suspicious of anybody claiming to know the "Word of God"
 

 In any event, thx Doug for the nice intro into various facets of Compassion - 
a difficult topic to get a handle on due its vastness and starkly different 
approaches.  But the way things are shaping up especially including the 
scientific evidence, ..
 ...
 Old model of reality:
   1. Meditate and "take it as it comes"
   2. No deliberate attempt to incorporate mood making, but if moods 
spontaneously arise, follow (1) and the usual TM instructions.
   3. No particular attention need given to Compassion, since the practice 
itself will result in many benefits that include that, along with overall 
happiness and better health.
 

 New Model of reality.
   1. Complementary benefits of meditation along with Compassion.  This can 
involve TM or other forms of meditation, and 
  2. Deliberate attempt to cultivate Compassion, with mood making playing a 
role initially at least. After a degree of Compassion sets in, it tends to have 
a self-expanding quality radiating as a subtle form of Shakti into the 
environment and to all people.
  3. There need not be a particular appearance of Compassion (such as giving $ 
and food to the poor, helping to rebuild the devastated homes of those in need, 
doing volunteer work and disaster relief.
  4. The reason for the "there need not"...in (3) may be explained by the 
powerful amount of Shakti radiated by some Gurus such as Ammachi.  This Shakti 
may manifest in countless ways for the benefit of humanity. The mechanisms 
behind such radiation may be too subtle for ordinary perception.  Thus, Gurus 
like Guru Dev, Aurobindo, Ramakrishna, and Ramana Maharshi on a superficial 
level may not seem Compassionate, but on a more subtle level their influence 
could have global implications of vast importance.
 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: December Meditation Retreats w/ Mother Divine

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thx, I've always been mystified by MMY's (and successors) use of the phrase 
"Mother Divine Program", since there's no evidence that such Courses 
incorporate actual Devotion to the Divine Mother (in the Traditional forms such 
as Durga, Kali, and numerous other forms).
 

 By way of example, Ramakrishna was devoted to the Divine Mother Kali
 Guru Dev was devoted to various Divine Mother Personalities (I believe Durga). 
 Also, SBS is featured in a pic along with the Sri Chakra mandala .
 Ramana Maharshi - although a devotee of Arunachala Shiva, had daily Sri Chakra 
pujas conducted at his Ashram. (where the Sri Chakra is the ultimate Divine 
Mother mandala representing numerous aspects of the Divine Mother.
 Simiilarly, Sri Aurobindo was a devotee of the Divine Mother.
 Ammachi is a devotee of the Divine Mother and advocates listening to or 
chanting the Lalita Sahasranama (1000 Names of the Divine Mother), which can be 
purchased as a CD from her Org..
 ...
 OTOH, I see no evidence that the so-called "Mother Divine" Courses have 
anything to do with the Divine Mother.  If so, what manifestation of the Divine 
Mother and what are the practices?
 IOW: Lip service.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] December Meditation Retreats w/ Mother Divine

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Courses with Mother Divine in Maharishi Vedic City 
 

 
1-month December 15-January 15

 WPA December 22-24 or 26
Meditator Retreat  December 16-18

 

 

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 Vedic City, Iowa
 

 Application info
 e-mail:
 apply "at" motherdivine.org
 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A 5pm Weekday Group Meditation also for Fairfield No-badge-nik Meditators

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What?? People speak "the Word of God" during silent Quaker meetings?  That's 
news to me (and a good reason for why I wouldn't get involved in that).  I'm 
suspicious of anybody claiming to know the "Word of God"
 

 In any event, thx Doug for the nice intro into various facets of Compassion - 
a difficult topic to get a handle on due its vastness and starkly different 
approaches.  But the way things are shaping up especially including the 
scientific evidence, ..
 ...
 Old model of reality:
   1. Meditate and "take it as it comes"
   2. No deliberate attempt to incorporate mood making, but if moods 
spontaneously arise, follow (1) and the usual TM instructions.
   3. No particular attention need given to Compassion, since the practice 
itself will result in many benefits that include that, along with overall 
happiness and better health.
 

 New Model of reality.
   1. Complementary benefits of meditation along with Compassion.  This can 
involve TM or other forms of meditation, and 
  2. Deliberate attempt to cultivate Compassion, with mood making playing a 
role initially at least. After a degree of Compassion sets in, it tends to have 
a self-expanding quality radiating as a subtle form of Shakti into the 
environment and to all people.
  3. There need not be a particular appearance of Compassion (such as giving $ 
and food to the poor, helping to rebuild the devastated homes of those in need, 
doing volunteer work and disaster relief.
  4. The reason for the "there need not"...in (3) may be explained by the 
powerful amount of Shakti radiated by some Gurus such as Ammachi.  This Shakti 
may manifest in countless ways for the benefit of humanity. The mechanisms 
behind such radiation may be too subtle for ordinary perception.  Thus, Gurus 
like Guru Dev, Aurobindo, Ramakrishna, and Ramana Maharshi on a superficial 
level may not seem Compassionate, but on a more subtle level their influence 
could have global implications of vast importance.
 
  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: A 5pm Weekday Group Meditation also for Fairfield No-badge-nik Meditators

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

FW: A WEEKEND no-badge group meditation, Hi Friends
 We will gather for group silent meditation on Sunday December 4th at 10:30am 
at the Hamfam house.  
 Potluck luncheon to follow.
 A squash soup provided, Conley is bringing her fabulous Mac ‘n cheese, FR's 
bringing roasted veggies, Franklin….
 Looks like it might be a snowy morning.  The fire will be toasty!
 All blessings,

 -facilitated as a service project by Fairfield, Iowa meditating Quakers.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Group meditation for all meditators who are without current Dome badges to 
practice silent meditation together, continues on weekdays, 5pm
 at 51 N. Court in Fairfield, Iowa
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Compatible in silent practice? Surely a lot of silent meditations can be 
respectfully practiced together in peace.  
 

 Yogananda silent meditation, Chopra meditation, Oprah’s , Oneness, Sahaja, 
Mindfulness, Zen, Centering Prayer, others, even ™.   This particular 5pm group 
meditation in Fairfield, iowa happens to be a facilitated silent time for 
people to silently practice their meditation in a group with others.
-JaiGuruYou
 

 

 

 rajawilliamsmith writes:

 

 TM and Quaker meetings don't go together, when we sit down using TM
we use a mantra, learning TM we learn how to use that, we can meditate on bus 
or anywhere, but we are ignoring the outside noise. At a quaker meeting the, 
impulse to speak is defined  as the word of god.  If they want me to go to the 
Dome and give a speech during mediation, than maybe we can go to a Quaker 
meeting and tell them we are meditating.
The silents we have during a Quaker meeting is drawn deeper with the impulse to 
speak the word of god. but once someone says something its starts to be drawn 
away.  If they had to rename the Quaker meeting they should call them spiritual 
hacks.
 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 A place even for meditators who are without badges for the Domes. The 
Fairfield No-Badge-Nik Group Meditation, weekdays, 5pm at 51 North Court in 
Fairfield, Iowa
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As a service project, the FF meditating Quakers will be staffing this weekday 
5pm open group meditation downtown
 for this month leading up to Election Day.
 A group meditation even for no-badge-nik meditators..  
 -JaiGuruYou
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hi Friends 
 
 In support of the collective need for peaceful influences in our lives/world 
we are offering opportunities for a silence-based group meditation.
 

 The 5pm Weekday Group Meditation

 This is an open unprogrammed silence-based meditative experience
 that will last for about an hour.
 At 51 North Court Street, Fairfield, Iowa
 For Weekdays 5pm unto Election Day.

 In the Quaker mode
 of practicing silent meditation,
 as Quakers we have
 no formal creed
 no paid ministers
 no preaching
 no rites
 and,
 speaking during this collective practice only as to where
 speaking out improves upon the silence of the meeting.

 Ours is a silence-based
 corporate spiritual practice.

 This is an old practice.

 Ours is a quiet practice, 
 you are welcome to come in and sit down in silence with us and practice your 
meditation method as your practice is not disruptive of our own silent practice.

 The 5pm Weekday Group Meditation
 is a service project of the Fairfield Iowa Society of Meditating Friends 
(Quakers)
 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On the 40th Day to the Election.. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This Weds. A silent meditation at 5:00pm downtown at the Fairfield Square, 
front door facing the Fairfield, Iowa town square..  51 N. Court.  

 

 Hi Friends 
 In support of the collective need for peaceful influences in our lives/world 
we are offering opportunities for a silence-based group meditation.
 

 This is an unprogrammed silence-based meditative experience
 that will last for about an hour.
 

 Meeting As Simple Practicing Meditators we have,
 no formal creed
 no paid ministers
 no preaching
 no rites
 and,
 speaking during this meeting for collective meditation only as to where 
speaking out may improve upon the silence of the meeting.
 

 Ours is a silence-based
 corporate spiritual practice.
 

 This is an old practice,
 

 You are welcome to come in and sit down in silence with us.
 

 A service project of the Fairfield Iowa Society of Meditating Friends 
(Quakers),
 

 #
 #
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Hi Friends 
 In support of the collective need for peaceful influences in our lives/world 
we are offering opportunities for a silence-based group meditation.
 

 

 Weds. Silent meditation at 5:00pm downtown Fairfield Square, front 

[FairfieldLife] Questions without answers: why anyaH??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

(Edited version, adding why below...)
 

 

 (Sundays are boring, just killing some time...)
 

 YS I 17
 

 vitarka-vicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat saMprajñaataH.
 

 vitarka-vicaara*+aananda-asmitaa+anugamaat saMprajñaataH.

 

 Shearer's "commentary-ish" translation:
 

 The settled mind is known as samaadhi.
 In saMprajñaata-samaadhi the settled state is accompanied by mental activity:
 

 first on the gross level, (card: vitarka)
 then on the subtle level, (vicaara)
 then a feeling of bliss, (aananda)
 and finally the sense of pure I-AM-ness ([I] am-ness: asmi-taa).
 

 I 18
 

 viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'nyaH.
 

 viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH.
 

 After the repeated experience of the settling and ceasing of mental
 activity [card: e.g. during PV TM?] comes another (anyaH) samaadhi.
 

 So, in the original suutra, the word samaadhi is implied, or stuff.
 

 But why does Patañjali use the pronoun anyaH (other) instead of "simply" 
asaMprajñaataH (opposite
 of saMprajñaataH)?
 

 If he'd used the latter, the suutra would go like this:
 

 viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'saMprajñaataH.

 

 So, because of the rules of external sandhi, the word asaMprajñaataH would
 lose its initial short a-sound, as in the case of 'nyaH instead of anyaH, BUT
 the form saMskaara-sheSo instead of saMskaara-sheSaH (if the following
 word was saMprjñaataH, without the initial negative prefix a) would reveal
 that the word is asaMprajñaataH, NOT saMprajñaataH!
 

 Beats me
 

 * vichaara
 



 
 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Questions without answers: why "anyaH"??

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 (Sundays are boring, just killing some time...)
 

 YS I 17
 

 vitarka-vicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat saMprajñaataH.
 

 vitarka-vicaara*+aananda-asmitaa+anugamaat saMprajñaataH.

 

 Shearer's "commentary-ish" translation:
 

 The settled mind is known as samaadhi.
 In saMprajñaata-samaadhi the settled state is accompanied by mental activity:
 

 first on the gross level, (card: vitarka)
 then on the subtle level, (vicaara)
 then a feeling of bliss, (aananda)
 and finally the sense of pure I-AM-ness ([I] am-ness: asmi-taa).
 

 I 18
 

 viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'nyaH.
 

 viraama-pratyaya-abhyaasa-puurvaH saMskaara-sheSaH; anyaH.
 

 After the repeated experience of the settling and ceasing of mental
 activity [card: e.g. during PV TM?] comes another (anyaH) samaadhi.
 

 So, in the original suutra, the word samaadhi is implied, or stuff.
 

 But does Patañjali use the pronoun anyaH (other) instead of "simply" 
asaMprajñaataH (opposite
 of saMprajñaataH)?
 

 If he'd used the latter, the suutra would go like this:
 

 viraamapratyayaabhyaasapuurvaH saMskaara-sheSo 'saMprajñaataH.

 

 So, because of the rules of external sandhi, the word asaMprajñaataH would
 lose its initial short a-sound, as in the case of 'nyaH instead of anyaH, BUT
 the form saMskaara-sheSo instead of saMskaara-sheSaH (if the following
 word was saMprjñaataH, without the initial negative prefix a) would reveal
 that the word is asaMprajñaataH, NOT saMprajñaataH!
 

 Beats me
 

 * vichaara
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM and DMN!

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Where the Buddha emphasized inner peace and the transcendence of samsara, 
Christ emphasized embodying divine humanity in the midst of samsara, embracing 
the human condition in order to serve those who are lost in ignorance.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 Evidently in more than ‘awakening’ spiritually, a further cultivation is in 
what one can do with it.
 

 Threefold, for instance Ammachi freely urges practitioners on in their 
cultivation of spiritual progress and incarnational embodiment essentially 
through: moral character development in a reading and study of elevated 
writings, cultivating spiritual practices of meditation, and thirdly being of 
self-less service to others, of help to others, actively.
 

 Interestingly, in SRF (Self-Realization Foundation, Yogananda’s teaching) they 
start with moral development in a study sequence of material and then in  the 
sequence students learn meditation.  These are deep meditators.  For them 
meditation is not just secular relief of stress but essential spiritual 
cultivation in the sequence in developing the human being.

 

 TM in a personality split can have a context background of religious cultural 
or spiritual scriptural teachings on the Maharishi Foundation side and then 
being entirely sciency and secular Quiet Time meditation (David Lynch 
Foundation) working with stressed at-risk populations in schools, business, 
with veterans, or in jails. 
 

 From the git-go TM does not in presentation have commensurate moral character 
cultivation in practice like can be seen in other spiritual practice programs. 
It stays mostly clear of ethics. The science chart they do offer on ‘morality’ 
is about improved “moral reasoning”, saying that TM ‘ers are better at ‘moral 
reasoning’.  In which direction it is unclear or not spoken to.  (Possibly 
observed behavioral dissonance in the group culture could indicate more study 
is needed.)
 

 Yogananda (middle 20th Century) in teaching cultivation of service to others,  
   
 “Charity is born of sympathy. By sympathy, a quality of Omnipresence, a person 
may transfer his consciousness to that within suffering men; and experience, as 
his own, their griefs and limitations.  It is then that the charitable desiree 
to offer help springs forth.  
 Selfishness cramps the omnipresent soul in a miserable prison of limiting 
material desires.  You should desire salvation so that you may give it to 
everyone else.  You should desire to drink God’s nectar of bliss so that you 
may share it with all.” -Paramahansa Yogananda 
 

 Giovanni in his own personal review of meditations evidently holds not much 
credibility out to SRF(Yogananda) or Ammachi though these are two substantial 
teachers of meditation with an influence on culture also in the parliament of 
the current marketplace.
 

  Karunamayi urges people on also, "..even the enlightened continue to meditate"

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Archer Angel writing: then my mind has undergone a lot transformations in the 
last few years or so.
 ..the main difference now is the mind is far more silent even in activity so I 
can just sit and be silent even without meditating. 


 

 You hear this more commonly in meditating Fairfield. But then once you get 
good at meditating like this, the geography of the silence becomes more 
familiar in meditation and then what you can do/intent with it inside the human 
makeup of the larger spiritual system. Beyond just awakening this would be the 
cultivation of where the larger Fairfield meditating community has gone on with 
their Being. 
 

Being with the experience of, no-mantra-no-thought, Giovanni, proposes a third: 
Effortless Presence.
..with focus attention meditation and open-monitoring meditating.   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Giovanni writes saying, "..and I’m not here to create controversy." !
 

 cardemaister:

 Quote:
 "Is it for me? Personally I don’t feel comfortable advising anyone to try 
Transcendental Meditation anymore, especially if you are looking to go deep 
into meditation. To know more, check out this answer I wrote in Quora 
https://www.quora.com/What-is-your-impression-of-transcendental-meditation/answer/Giovanni-Dienstmann.
 If you wish to try something similar, for a fraction of the cost or for free, 
have a look at NSR (above), or Mantra Meditation."

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Harri Aalto: 3rd Interview on Buddha at the Gas Pump - 11/25/2016

[he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 World class act??
 

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