[FairfieldLife] Re: Communal Meeting this Weds.
Reply email: Yes, talk about group meditation is cheap if they the TM Movement admins and reps are not willing to come to reconciliation with the larger meditating community. email: Governors and Sidhas who are not taking Super Radiance meditation as important because most of them have been ostracized and disillusioned by the movement. And many of those who haven’t are not looking terribly healthy or sane. Coffee shop satsanga: Fairfield In conversation: “The meditating community is much more inclusive now moving towards unity behavior, an understanding, seeing the truth in many things. This is informed by their experience, by the transcendent. Not because someone said that it had to look like a Unified Field Chart, it is informed by their experience. This is what is moving the community forward and that is why we have someone visiting like ( ) taking me aside and saying coming back to this, the engine, the possibilities of this are so great here because of it. This does not seem to require the Domes for people anymore. Or necessarily group practice anymore, or even practice. We don’t even know what people are doing in their experience. There is a kind of cultivated maturity out in the community now that is not requiring people to divulge what it is they are doing, or with whom, because as Maharishi said, “mind your own business”. Everyone here is actively finding their path. This, Fairfield, continues to be a maturing dynamic spiritual community. In confirming this, if we have an administrative group that confirms it only to “Thou Shalts” that it is going to be just about one practice when in life one really has to realize that many things are actually required to develop consciousness, that is why most of the people have left. They got it and some realized ‘Oh, being in the dome that way is actually holding me back’. That is what people have said. That, it, only went so far. In the consciousness part, the critically conscious part, how much ‘practice’ particularly of the ™-Siddhis program does one need to do? When you learn the mechanics of sanyama why is it required that you go in there and hammer away at the sun and the moon and the stars and your navel and god knows what else forever? For some people it (the Domes and ™) works and that is their path, like (), she loves it. It may even be in someone’s chart, that they will have a practice and it will work extremely well for them and they won’t need anything else. This is the exception. That is the exception. But yet, the saints, these maturing people in the community are not also saying ‘it could be dangerous’ to go see the saints’ and just be content in their practice. No one is saying people shouldn’t practice that Dome program it is just that for most of us that program has served its purpose. They have done ‘yogic flying’ enough. It is done. It is through. It worked and they manifestly needed to do these other, these adjunct practices to help us in our processes that were not available, not divined, condoned and quite frankly not understood by the ™ tru-believers. The TB'ers don’t understand a thing about this. That is the great irony of this. In facilitating a community of course the ™ thing should be supporting group practice, there is not problem with that.These cultivated people are having inner experience that are objective to themselves, that is science. These other people who are over intellectualizing and trying to administrate it miss this. Experience in consciousness not in lineal formulas." .. email : I agree that a group of TM mediators created a wonderful community here and there is an effect where like minded people come together on a path and create harmony in the atmosphere... that’s why many are attracted to satsang ( being with others in Truth) or ashrams. But to solely emphasize that mediating together in large groups will create 1% and change the world is not that attractive a concept anymore. esp for those who have been meditating for many decades and see the world going through more and more chaos. .. Other response: I don’t disagree with any of the personal reflections about our personal connections to living a peaceful life and our own growth not being determined by the external world. I do though believe in the enlivenment of the field of nature’s intelligence having an impact on everything and that the resonance brings about more positive energy and greater possibilities. If it’s not someone’s calling, that’s okay. I agree that the message has become worn out for some people. David Orme-Johnson’s presentations are always fascinating though – even if you don’t believe. Communal Meeting Weds. Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd). 7:30 PM, 20 June Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction? David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the Maharishi Effect, invites you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Communal Meeting this Weds.
Coffee shop satsanga: Fairfield In conversation: “The meditating community is much more inclusive now moving towards unity behavior, an understanding, seeing the truth in many things. This is informed by their experience, by the transcendent. Not because someone said that it had to look like a Unified Field Chart, it is informed by their experience. This is what is moving the community forward and that is why we have someone visiting like ( ) taking me aside and saying coming back to this, the engine, the possibilities of this are so great here because of it. This does not seem to require the Domes for people anymore. Or necessarily group practice anymore, or even practice. We don’t even know what people are doing in their experience. There is a kind of cultivated maturity out in the community now that is not requiring people to divulge what it is they are doing, or with whom, because as Maharishi said, “mind your own business”. Everyone here is actively finding their path. This, Fairfield, continues to be a maturing dynamic spiritual community. In confirming this, if we have an administrative group that confirms it only to “Thou Shalts” that it is going to be just about one practice when in life one really has to realize that many things are actually required to develop consciousness, that is why most of the people have left. They got it and some realized ‘Oh, being in the dome that way is actually holding me back’. That is what people have said. That, it, only went so far. In the consciousness part, the critically conscious part, how much ‘practice’ particularly of the ™-Siddhis program does one need to do? When you learn the mechanics of sanyama why is it required that you go in there and hammer away at the sun and the moon and the stars and your navel and god knows what else forever? For some people it (the Domes and ™) works and that is their path, like (), she loves it. It may even be in someone’s chart, that they will have a practice and it will work extremely well for them and they won’t need anything else. This is the exception. That is the exception. But yet, the saints, these maturing people in the community are not also saying ‘it could be dangerous’ to go see the saints’ and just be content in their practice. No one is saying people shouldn’t practice that Dome program it is just that for most of us that program has served its purpose. They have done ‘yogic flying’ enough. It is done. It is through. It worked and they manifestly needed to do these other, these adjunct practices to help us in our processes that were not available, not divined, condoned and quite frankly not understood by the ™ tru-believers. The TB'ers don’t understand a thing about this. That is the great irony of this. In facilitating a community of course the ™ thing should be supporting group practice, there is not problem with that.These cultivated people are having inner experience that are objective to themselves, that is science. These other people who are over intellectualizing and trying to administrate it miss this. Experience in consciousness not in lineal formulas." .. email : I agree that a group of TM mediators created a wonderful community here and there is an effect where like minded people come together on a path and create harmony in the atmosphere... that’s why many are attracted to satsang ( being with others in Truth) or ashrams. But to solely emphasize that mediating together in large groups will create 1% and change the world is not that attractive a concept anymore. esp for those who have been meditating for many decades and see the world going through more and more chaos. .. Other response: I don’t disagree with any of the personal reflections about our personal connections to living a peaceful life and our own growth not being determined by the external world. I do though believe in the enlivenment of the field of nature’s intelligence having an impact on everything and that the resonance brings about more positive energy and greater possibilities. If it’s not someone’s calling, that’s okay. I agree that the message has become worn out for some people. David Orme-Johnson’s presentations are always fascinating though – even if you don’t believe. Communal Meeting Weds. Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd). 7:30 PM, 20 June Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction? David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the Maharishi Effect, invites you. With the Dome meditation attendance having fallen to be so low there is a serious questioning about the endurance of the Dome group meditation in Fairfield. This meeting becomes an important way post in the journey of the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.
[FairfieldLife] Nice translation of VChM!
Nice translation of Viveka-chuuDaa-maNi: http://www.vivekananda.net/PDFBooks/Vivekashudamani.pdf http://www.vivekananda.net/PDFBooks/Vivekashudamani.pdf
[FairfieldLife] Re: Communal Meeting this Weds.
email : I agree that a group of TM mediators created a wonderful community here and there is an effect where like minded people come together on a path and create harmony in the atmosphere... that’s why many are attracted to satsang ( being with others in Truth) or ashrams. But to solely emphasize that mediating together in large groups will create 1% and change the world is not that attractive a concept anymore. esp for those who have been meditating for many decades and see the world going through more and more chaos. .. Other response: I don’t disagree with any of the personal reflections about our personal connections to living a peaceful life and our own growth not being determined by the external world. I do though believe in the enlivenment of the field of nature’s intelligence having an impact on everything and that the resonance brings about more positive energy and greater possibilities. If it’s not someone’s calling, that’s okay. I agree that the message has become worn out for some people. David Orme-Johnson’s presentations are always fascinating though – even if you don’t believe. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd). 7:30 PM, 20 June Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction? David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the Maharishi Effect, invites you. With the Dome meditation attendance having fallen to be so low there is a serious questioning about the endurance of the Dome group meditation in Fairfield. This meeting becomes an important way post in the journey of the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
SR has not even kept the Fairfield community together. As for climate change, a look at the graphs shows no effect from SR from 1975 to today. It is a forlorn hope that SR can affect climate change. What you are saying has not been established scientifically except for a small core of true believers whose beliefs would not change even if presented with substantial contrary evidence. If there is real evidence eventually that would win out. The mechanism of SR has not been demonstrated to the satisfaction of scientists who are not true believers. The scientific framework for making it comprehensible to them has not been constructed. It seems to me at the moment that the TM movement is refocusing on getting new meditators because the SR communities are aging and diminishing. The glory days when Maharishi was alive are gone. It is consolidating. There seems to be an effect when people meditate or do other programs related to consciousness are together, but what is it? How does it work? Movement explanations are not adequate and skip over multiple alternative possibilities to explain it. If the effect exists and affects the physical world, there should be a way to measure it directly (an SR meter?) beyond statistically dubious social research. On Monday, June 18, 2018, 12:34:20 PM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: FW email: I don't feel climate change is (necessarily) scary. It can be sufficiently controlled mainly (not only) by higher Super-Radiance (SR) attendance. My concern has to do with Movement Governors and Sidhas who are not taking SR as important as it is, not prioritizing it as much as they could. There is more power in SR than in the people doing the climate change, gmo, vaccinations, pharmaceuticals, and electromag, etc. Takes a lot of integration to see through. Archer Anangel wrote : Yes there is some good science in meditation research, but seemingly there is not much. Perhaps 1% of the studies meet the gold standard. So out of 700 studies you have seven that are really decent. As the quality of the journal published in goes down, so does the quality of peer review. There are top-level scientists, mid-level scientists, and incompetent scientists. So peer review is a check on quality only if you have good quality reviewers and statisticians to check the math. Really bad quality journals are pay for play, and you can get published even if the study is highly flawed, and the paper may not get any peer review. Meditation studies are a niche market within the field of consciousness studies, and are typically associated with various religious-based movements which are not the best mental platforms on which to implement impartial research. Because most of the meditation research is bad, the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Climate science is much more advanced and there is wide consensus that climate change is a serious problem if you ignore politicians and political views. Science on meditation is far behind in getting the kind of consensus we have with climate change. It is the result of a bad approach, using science for marketing rather than knowledge. Promoting bad science in the name of meditation is like offering rotten vegetables in the market. If we like meditation and it benefits us, that does not give us the ability to evaluate the science. Subjective experience and emotion and the results of scientific experiments are often at odds. The best we can say now is meditation looks promising but more research is needed. It is when non-meditating scientists in droves come into the consensual fold that meditation is good for something, then is the point when the case can be made. This is not cynicism, this is the state of affairs. Meditation is great. It is for self-realization. If you are doing meditation for some other reason, you are already halfway to failure. Blame it on Western culture which does not have a good social underpinning for this kind of practice. On Sunday, June 17, 2018, 10:06:32 AM GMT, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Actually there is some lot of good science in it, meditation. Peer review. What? Like the global climate science, what, 'all the science is no good because some of the science is no good'? That is what the cynicism offers. That one title said that way in that journal is certainly evil,’Throw it all out because some is bad, poorly done’. This and someone saying it sounds so rational and intellectual except, like tossing in a Trumpism, the underlying assertion is simply not entirely true, a fake news headline in itself. Archer Angel writes, It is great that there is an attempt to do research on TM, but TM and other forms of meditation has a very poor record as far as quality scientific papers, as this summary in Scientific American indicates.Meditation is essentially for self-realization/enlightenment. Promoting it for heath and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paradigm Shifters: Science of Climate Wreckage & Meditating
FW: ..here is a brief list of a few of the brilliant scientific minds of our time who totally agree with Dr. McPherson. I am sure some of these infamous scientists hold positions of credibility in your awareness. Frank Fenner (June 2010) http://jcsmr.anu.edu.au/about- us/honour-roll/frank-fenner http://jcsmr.anu.edu.au/about-us/honour-roll/frank-fenner Malcolm Light (February 2012) Louise Leakey (July 2013) Richard Leakey (December 2013) Neil Dawes (August 2013 Sir Bob Geldorf (October 2013) Sam Carana (November 2013) John Feffer (April 2014) Noam Chomsky (June 2014) Larry Schwartz (July 2014) Ken Rose (July 2014) Jennifer Hynes (August 2014) Also Paul Beckwith - Professor in climatology; working on Ph.D. in abrupt climate change (Department of Geography; Laboratory for Paleoclimatology and Climatology) at University of Ottawa, Ontario. Biologist Paul R. Ehrlich - Professor of Population Studies of the Department of Biology of Stanford University and president of Stanford's Center for Conservation Biology Reply email: Governors and Sidhas who are not taking Super Radiance meditation as important because most of them have been ostracized and disillusioned by the movement. And many of those who haven’t are not looking terribly healthy or sane. With the Dome meditation attendance having fallen to be so low there is a serious questioning about the endurance of the Dome group meditation in Fairfield. This meeting becomes an important way post in the journey of the meditating community in Fairfield, Iowa. Subject. Communal Meeting this Weds. Phoenix Rising Hall (Burlington and 3rd). 7:30 PM, Maharishi Effect: Fact or Fiction? David Orme-Johnson, PhD, a leading long-time scientific researcher in the Maharishi Effect, invites you. FW email: I don't feel climate change is (necessarily) scary. It can be sufficiently controlled mainly (not only) by higher Super-Radiance (SR) attendance. My concern has to do with Movement Governors and Sidhas who are not taking SR as important as it is, not prioritizing it as much as they could. There is more power in SR than in the people doing the climate change, gmo, vaccinations, pharmaceuticals, and electromag, etc. Takes a lot of integration to see through. Archer Anangel wrote : Yes there is some good science in meditation research, but seemingly there is not much. Perhaps 1% of the studies meet the gold standard. So out of 700 studies you have seven that are really decent. As the quality of the journal published in goes down, so does the quality of peer review. There are top-level scientists, mid-level scientists, and incompetent scientists. So peer review is a check on quality only if you have good quality reviewers and statisticians to check the math. Really bad quality journals are pay for play, and you can get published even if the study is highly flawed, and the paper may not get any peer review. Meditation studies are a niche market within the field of consciousness studies, and are typically associated with various religious-based movements which are not the best mental platforms on which to implement impartial research. Because most of the meditation research is bad, the baby is getting thrown out with the bath water. Climate science is much more advanced and there is wide consensus that climate change is a serious problem if you ignore politicians and political views. Science on meditation is far behind in getting the kind of consensus we have with climate change. It is the result of a bad approach, using science for marketing rather than knowledge. Promoting bad science in the name of meditation is like offering rotten vegetables in the market. If we like meditation and it benefits us, that does not give us the ability to evaluate the science. Subjective experience and emotion and the results of scientific experiments are often at odds. The best we can say now is meditation looks promising but more research is needed. It is when non-meditating scientists in droves come into the consensual fold that meditation is good for something, then is the point when the case can be made. This is not cynicism, this is the state of affairs. Meditation is great. It is for self-realization. If you are doing meditation for some other reason, you are already halfway to failure. Blame it on Western culture which does not have a good social underpinning for this kind of practice. Actually there is some lot of good science in it, meditation. Peer review. What? Like the global climate science, what, 'all the science is no good because some of the science is no good'? That is what the cynicism offers. That one title said that way in that journal is certainly evil,’Throw it all out because some is bad, poorly done’. This and someone saying it sounds so rational and intellectual except, like tossing in a Trumpism, the underlying
