[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vishvarupa108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Vishi, it's like this. You will never accept the truth about your beloved guru, anymore than disciples of MMY can accept that he had multiple sex partners in the late 60's and early 70s. Both groups could be presented with photos, films and comfessionsand it still would not be enough. Devotion is blind. I know. I've been there. Not quite. You were devoted to a guy who at least had the good taste to hit on Mia Farrow, during the period when she was lookin' pretty good for a skinny girl. This guy is spending his life protecting a bad magician with a Bad Afro who likes to feel up little boys' penises. And doncha get the impression that this guy, although he claims to no longer be a Sai Baba disciple, is doing all this because he *misses* having his dick felt up by the fellow he has mistaken for God? Sure seems that way to me. It *IS* interesting in a strange sort of way, however, because reading this guy's stuff may give Off and Nablus and others here a better idea for how *they* sound when they do the same thing w.r.t. Maharishi. TurquoiseB, I wonder if you know how you sound? I never had my dick felt up by Sai Baba. Apparently, not only are your impressions indicative of perversion, they are untrue. Everyone is still waiting for ANY proof that Baba feel's up little boy's penises. Where is the proof? You don't know, do you? I suspect your little boy's penises comment also slithered out of the same gutter your dick comment came from. Gee Joe, I wonder if Rick will feel a need to reprimand Turquoise for the perverted and irresponsible insult. Is it just me or does it seem like all these anti-guru types need anger management therapy and sensitivity training to go with it? Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you?
[FairfieldLife] (FFL, meet Lisa and Joe) Re: God's Little Clown
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, geezerfreak geezerfreak@ wrote: Babafanyou appear to be experiancing some severe roughness of awareness. Feel the body. (Your own, not some child please.) Geez, you might have more success if you refer to these two by their real names, Lisa and Joe. A quick Google search on their usernames reveals that these two are pretty much professional Sai Baba Apologists, and have made a name for themselves (albeit a bad one) on many Yahoo and Google groups. Here's a page on them set up by one of the messengers they tried to shoot: http://www.saibabaexpose.co m/vishvarupa.htm Their M.O. seems to be to troll Yahoo groups and search them for the name of one of their victims, such as Conny Larsson, or of Sai Baba himself. Then they descend upon the group and start spamming it with defenses of the poor, wronged guru. Strangely, these defenses always seem to involve demonizing anyone who has ever said anything even remotely derogatory about Sai Baba, or who reacts negatively to their act. They're trolls. They don't communicate, they pontif- icate. My advice is to ignore them. The only curiosity they hold for me is whether Lisa had *her* genitalia felt up by the Babaster. :-) * Why are all you people such perverts? Is it a genetic defect or something? Perhaps you should spend more of your time researching the facts about suspicuious people who make allegations they cannot back up bozo. I see you are completely avoiding the REAL issue here which is why people you deem to be credible are claiming Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. I suppose you also believe in Icke's reptilian shapeshifting aliens and that the Queen Mother is a blood-drinking reptile, eh? The big problem is when people like you are too stubborn to see and acknowledge that maybe, just maybe you aren't quite as smart or aware as you think you are.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, conscientiousobjector2 000 conscientiousobjector2000@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] om, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] groups.com] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second- hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them. Babafanyou appear to be experiancing some severe roughness of awareness. Feel the body. (Your own, not some child please.) * For your information you little freakazoid, I'm a REAL CHILD sexual abuse survivor. It may be a BIG joke to you when someone is accused of sexual abuse but it is NOT to me. Now grow up you immature pervert.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:59 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Turquoise since you claim to be so smart, please do tell us why three of the adult accusers (Keith Ord, Alaya Rahm and Ullrich Zimmermann) claimed that Sai Baba's genitalia supernaturally morphed from male to female. You are so smart, you do know about that don't you? Andy Rymer said that too. Of course, the only way they would know that, if it happened, is if they were feeling or seeing his genitalia. And from there it's not a stretch to believe that he was reciprocating. So far I haven't heard either you or Babafan comment on that. As Baba devotees who are much better informed about him than I or most of the people here, I'm sincerely interested in your interpretation of these goings on. Has Baba ever explained it? You seem to be admitting here that several people have independently observed something about his genitalia, which means you acknowledge that they were in a position to observe it, so we're not arguing that point. I just want to hear your commentary on why Baba provided an opportunity for those observations to occur. Even if I grant you that many of the accusations are false, you have just admitted that some of these activities actually happened. Presumably you see them in a positive light. I'm stating this in various ways in order to make myself as clear as possible and to get you to answer the following request: please share with us your understanding of why Baba engages in these activities, to whatever extent he does. ** The question is WHY are you so willing to believe such asuspicious story in the first place Rick? Your buddy Andy Rymer was singing Baba's praises and even had a website in which he used Sai Baa for his advertising. Not to mention your story is another second-hand tellig as Andy Rymer has NEVER made a public statement regarding his alleged experience so that his statements can be analysed and questions can be asked in order to determine whether he is truthful or not. My experience is that people who hide out after they ake accusations are NOT truthful. If their claims cannot stand up to scrutiny, i for one and absolutely NOT going to back them. If you want to back people you do not know or think you know, you go right ahead, that YOUR responsibility.
[FairfieldLife] Conny's response Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: Conny Larsson [mailto:] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 1:38 AM To: Rick Archer Subject: Re: FW: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Dear Rick! My answer will come but I have sent it to my friend Robert for correcting my bad english otherwise it will look so dreadfull. I think he will send it to you when he have gone trough it. Otherwise I have no interest at all longer to deal with the Sai Baba matter. He is just a past thing a creep that I had to go through on my way in life. I rather would have liked not to met him at all. Later after my respons whatever they raise in answer is out of no interest. They are mostly prof. that are grumbling about this creep and his devious organisation and would not have any part of it longer. What is said they all can read on the www.exbaba.com There is no need for anything more later on. We shall all have people to sign the Petition tha exbaba.com broadcast! Love and care Rick! Conny What a pathetic joke this Conny is; first he writes books full of venom about people he has met. When questions is raised all he says is he is just a past thing, a creep...blabla. This fellow has, and probably never had, any dignity. Saints like Maharishi and Sai Baba are probably just happy not having to see this swedish lowwlife anymore. *** Exactly, Nablusoss, Conny Larsson just showed by his answer he is NOT concerned about seeking justice for alleged sexual abuse victims at ALL. He is more interested in selling his books (one pro-Sai Baba and one con...nothing like making money on both ends). Remember, this is the guy who claimed he was told about sexual abuse as far back as 1986 and did ABSOLUTELY nothing about it. Not only did he do nothing about it but he went on to write a book and give public speeches extolling Baba's virtues (after he claims he even had sex with the God)! And these bozos keep applauding Conny for his credibilty? Give me a break. They obviously have NO clue or sensitivity about sexual abuse or they would not be so casual about accepting such dubious claims. In otherwords their so-called their supposed caring is all a big pretense based on their FEAR.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 4:20 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown For your information you little freakazoid, I'm a REAL CHILD sexual abuse survivor. It may be a BIG joke to you when someone is accused of sexual abuse but it is NOT to me. Now grow up you immature pervert. Baba seems to be having a wonderful effect on you folks. Such warm, loving posts. Where do I sign up? ** You seem to be a very insensitive person when people make such perverted jokes Rick. Why do you always seem to be defending the liars and perverts and abusers Rick?
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. The chldren, parents and police were all molested together? Or were the police just watching? This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? You statement suggests that you may believe all second hand accounts are categorically false. If so, that seems a bit harsh and unproductive. While they certainly are not all categorically true, some may be true, others not, some partly. The degree of credibility of first hand party is a key factor in evaluating such. *** The POINT is these are ALL second-hand stories and the fist-hand parties cannot even be verified! The anti-Sais claim to have all this evidence but they can never come up with the goods. I have been waiting for almost five years to come up with the goods and all they can do is play games and tap dance with the media whores. Not ONE of the accusers has even ONE corroborative witness. NOT ONE. Anyone who asks for proof or asks inconvenient questions about their contradictions is then accused of harassing them. If we do not ask, then we are accused of not wanting to know the truth. It is one big mind screw either way you go with these bozos.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vishvarupa108 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:52 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown In all these years, there have been no complaints from children or parents of children that Sathya Sai Baba is a pedophile who molests children. Not even one single verifiable grievance, complaint, record, file or anything else for that matter. That isn't true. I watched a one-hour documentary, perhaps produced by the BBC, about an American family whose son was sexually molested by Sai Baba from an early age. Andy Rymer admits to having had sexual interaction with SB. And many others. He hasn't been arrested because the Indian police are on the payroll. *** This is a PERFECT example as to how people can be duped by the media. Sorry Rick but Alaya Rahm was EIGHTEEN years old in 1997 when he alleges he was molested around 20 times, according to him using the alias Sam Young in the Divine Downfall interview with Mick Brown. It turns out he only had SEVEN interviews alone. When I first starting researching these facts almost five years ago I was aghast to find out ALL the accusers where ADULT MALES, all except two are white. Isn't it interesting that in all these years we cannot find even ONE child, much less ONE Indian child who is accusing Sai Baba of being abused? All the accusations regarding children are SECOND-HAND stories from Larsson, Bailey, et al.. Combine this with the KNOWN and documentable fact that NOT one person has EVER even TRIED to file charges with the police and it smells of nothing but a racist smear campaign. Even Tony Blair is an alleged 2003 letter to Tony Colman reminded him that alleged victims MUST file charges with Indian police. Now with all the money that Larsson is supposed to have, can you please tell me WHY he has not lifted a finger to see that any of these alleged victims he bellows about file charges like they are suppoed to? Proof: http://www.saipetition.net/letter.htm And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? In addition to this, Larsson claims in later talks he gave in 1997 and 1998 that he had NEVER heard of Sai Baba until 1978 when he stated he was saved by Sai Baba in Sri Lanka. This also contradicts his statements regarding the alleged 1973 Hislop letter as Larsson claimed MMY told Conny to tell Hislop not to follow Sai Baba in letter to Hislop. We will be PERFECTLY happy to deal with FACTS rather than unproven accusations and generalities.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, conscientiousobjector2000 babafan@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:00 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown And maybe since you seem to know Larsson so well, you can ask him since he, like all the other adult males accusers, is in hidig and will not answer questions about his contradictory accusations, WHY he claimed to have received a resignation letter from Hislop in 1973 when the documentation clearly shows Hislop left the TM movement in 1968? I don't claim to be an expert on Sai Baba. I forwarded your post to Conny and will post his response. So we can understand who we're talking to, (your email babafan@ gives us a hint) please answer the following questions: Do you believe that Sai Baba regularly had sexual relations with young men? Are you sure those men were old enough to absolve Baba of legal ramifications? Do you feel that these relations were, in reality, some sort of kundalini-enlivening, karma-absolving cosmic blessing, or something more mundane? If the young men were upset by this behavior, do you feel that they simply failed to understand Baba's higher motives? Do you believe that Baba's apparent manifestations have always been a performance of siddhis, or that some slight of hand may have been involved, at least on some occasions? If the latter, how do you explain or justify this? *** I think my post was very self-explanatory regarding what I thnk about the accusations. I have researched EACH and EVERY accusation (for almost FIVE YEARS) and NOT one of them stands up to scrutiny. NOT one. I know without any doubt that Sai Baba is a God-realized person. I have direct expereince and I have tested him myself. Since miracles are not considered a criminal offense, they do not have to be proven in a court of law. Criminal accusations sucha s FRAUD and sexual abuse DO. Now, since you want to make criminal accuasations, I am asking you to follow the law like every other individual must do and get your alleged vitims to file charges. I have researched myself and cannot find one shred of evidence which backs up the claims. Many anti- semites claim all Jews are bad. Doesn't make it true does it? What it means is there are a lot of misguided people and yes even liars in the world. Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky.
[FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of conscientiousobjector2000 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 12:19 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: God's Little Clown Hey Babafan: Rick asked you some very straightforward questions. Your responses to same were utterly lame. *** geezerfreak, you seem to have great difficulty understanding plain english. Is english not your first language or what? Oh, I forgot to mention, there are also a LOT of DUMB peoplein t e world. Convince me you are not one of them by following CONSTITUTIONAL law instead of rambling like a hysterical nutjob who lost his binky. Insulting him doesn't get you off the hook. How about answering my questions? ** Funny that you say NOTHING when he continuously insults others (and FIRST at that), Rick. I answered the questions. I can't help it if you are too illiterate to get it. This is EXACTLY why you bozos should quit trying to play law enforcement and sticK to your mantras or whatever it is you do do well. Get it through your head: NO Indian children or parents have filed complaints about being molested with police. This means the ADULT WHITE MALES making complaints are LIARS. NOW, do I need to draw you a map? Second-hand stories are NOT EVIDENCE. Do you think prople should be able to tell second-hand tales about YOUR sexual escapades and we should all believe them? Now grow up and get real. The government of India has PUBLICLY stated that the accusations are concocted and malicious and there IS enough DOCUMENTATION to prove that in court. Now deal with it. And quit acting like a bunch of fascists who feel laws don't apply to them.
