[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread Patrick Gillam



--- Rick Archer wrote:

 STEPHEN COLBERT: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. ...
 
 But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the president
 makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those
 decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down. Make,
 announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to
 know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you
 got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid
 Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the administration.
 You know - fiction!

I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
was laughing. Reading it here was much easier.

Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It 
was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a 
humorist, but he soared as a citizen.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread anonyff



You would think that Colbert's script/dialogue (whatever you wnat to
call it) would have been previewed before he was allowed to speak.

I can't help but think that somehow, Bush used this as an opportunity
to show what a stand-up guy he is-that he knows he is in trouble and
is willing to let himself be taken to task in some kind of public
fashion of his own choosing-knowing the media would play this up,
giving Colbert a lot of credit for telling the truth.

And Bush ends up getting credit-raising his esteem in the eyes of
all-because he was willing to listen, even put his arm around this guy.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 --- Rick Archer wrote:
 
  STEPHEN COLBERT: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. ...
  
  But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the
president
  makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces those
  decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions down.
Make,
  announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. Get to
  know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel you
  got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the intrepid
  Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the
administration.
  You know - fiction!
 
 I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
 was laughing. Reading it here was much easier.
 
 Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It 
 was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a 
 humorist, but he soared as a citizen.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
 was laughing. Reading it here was much easier.
 
 Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It 
 was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a 
 humorist, but he soared as a citizen.

Oh, Patrick, that's *very* well put. That's it
exactly. You nailed it.

Somebody put up a Web site last night for people
to leave thanks for Colbert:

http://thankyoustephencolbert.org/

I just checked, and already it has almost 10,000
messages.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You would think that Colbert's script/dialogue (whatever you wnat to
 call it) would have been previewed before he was allowed to speak.
 
 I can't help but think that somehow, Bush used this as an
 opportunity to show what a stand-up guy he is-that he knows he is 
 in trouble and is willing to let himself be taken to task in some 
 kind of public fashion of his own choosing-knowing the media would 
 play this up, giving Colbert a lot of credit for telling the truth.

LOL. Except that the media have NOT played it up.
To the contrary, the so-called liberal media have,
in fact, almost completely ignored it. Stories about
the correspondents' dinner have focused nearly
exclusively on Bush's turn with the impersonator.

So far, the sole exception has been USA Today,
which quoted Colbert extensively and with relish.

As to Bush being willing to let himself be taken
to task, apparently he was not at all happy with
Colbert. He glowered through most of the routine,
and he and Laura barely acknowledged Colbert
afterwards, leaving almost immediately with grim
expressions.

 And Bush ends up getting credit-raising his esteem in the eyes of
 all-because he was willing to listen, even put his arm around this 
 guy.

Sadly, no.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread jim_flanegin



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- Rick Archer wrote:
 
  STEPHEN COLBERT: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. ...
  
  But, listen, let's review the rules. Here's how it works: the 
president
  makes decisions. He's the decider. The press secretary announces 
those
  decisions, and you people of the press type those decisions 
down. Make,
  announce, type. Just put 'em through a spell check and go home. 
Get to
  know your family again. Make love to your wife. Write that novel 
you
  got kicking around in your head. You know, the one about the 
intrepid
  Washington reporter with the courage to stand up to the 
administration.
  You know - fiction!
 
 I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
 was laughing. Reading it here was much easier.
 
 Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It 
 was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a 
 humorist, but he soared as a citizen.

His finest moment. Never 'got' the guy the couple of times I tried 
to watch him on John Stewart's show- Now I'll be watching much more 
carefully. Good for him!!!









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread anony_sleuth_ff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 
 I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
 was laughing. 

Perhaps an indication of the degree that humor (and truth) are social
contsructs. We find something more funny if others are laughing, less
funny if they are not.

I found the lack of audience laughter (more an artifact of camera
angles than actual audience reactions -- those attending said there
was laughter) discomforting from the apparent tension in the room, but
that did not take away from Colbert's biting humor. I thought for the
most part he was quite funny -- excepting the skit -- which may have
been a longer, deeper rip that may hold up with later viewings. 
Reading the transcript reinforces that he was funny, IMO. 

I wonder for those that did not find him funny, are you familiar with
his work? Or was this a (near) first time view? I think he may be an
aquired taste. The first few times I watched him, I thought he was a
bit of a smartalec. Now I get more of what he is doing and more
appreciate his subtle but biting satire.





Reading it here was much easier.
 
 Upon reading it, I see its purpose was not to amuse people. It 
 was to speak truth to power. Colbert may have flopped as a 
 humorist, but he soared as a citizen.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread authfriend



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
 wrote:
 
  
  I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
  was laughing. 
 
 Perhaps an indication of the degree that humor (and truth) are
 social contsructs. We find something more funny if others are 
 laughing, less funny if they are not.

Don't know if this was the case with Patrick, but I
find it horrendously uncomfortable to watch a comic
who is bombing with his live audience, even if I
find him hilarious myself. I squirm in empathetic
embarrassment, thinking how the comic must feel.

In Colbert's case, though, it didn't bother me because
I had the distinct sense it didn't bother *him* in the
least. (Maybe it did, but he didn't show it that I
could see; it didn't seem to throw off his timing at
all.)

 I found the lack of audience laughter (more an artifact of camera
 angles than actual audience reactions -- those attending said there
 was laughter)

Actually most of the reports I've read from folks who
were there confirm that the laughter and applause were
quite sparse, especially compared to the reaction to
Bush's bit with the impersonator, which engendered
great hilarity.

 discomforting from the apparent tension in the room, but
 that did not take away from Colbert's biting humor. I thought for 
the
 most part he was quite funny -- excepting the skit -- which may have
 been a longer, deeper rip that may hold up with later viewings. 
 Reading the transcript reinforces that he was funny, IMO. 
 
 I wonder for those that did not find him funny, are you familiar 
with
 his work? Or was this a (near) first time view? I think he may be an
 aquired taste. The first few times I watched him, I thought he was a
 bit of a smartalec. Now I get more of what he is doing and more
 appreciate his subtle but biting satire.

I've never been taken with his show, but the format
is very different, much looser, and not as coherent
or pointed for that reason. The dinner routine was
more like standup, extremely tight and finely honed.
For me, he's funnier that way.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Colbert @ W.H. Correspondent's Dinner

2006-05-01 Thread anony_sleuth_ff



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anony_sleuth_ff no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
  wrote:
  
   
   I couldn't watch Colbert's presentation because nobody 
   was laughing. 
  
  Perhaps an indication of the degree that humor (and truth) are
  social contsructs. We find something more funny if others are 
  laughing, less funny if they are not.
 
 Don't know if this was the case with Patrick, but I
 find it horrendously uncomfortable to watch a comic
 who is bombing with his live audience, even if I
 find him hilarious myself. I squirm in empathetic
 embarrassment, thinking how the comic must feel.

Yes. I felt the empathetic embarrasment, and some sympathy for those I
felt in the crowd who knew it was funny but thought it inappropriate
to laugh -- in front of the prez and bosses -- while I laughing out
loud at Colbert's jabs. The combinatation was a heightened and
exquisite tension (perhaps like an action film) -- keeping me glued
to the screen and on the edge of my chair, while laughing. 

 
  I wonder for those that did not find him funny, are you familiar 
 with
  his work? Or was this a (near) first time view? I think he may be an
  aquired taste. The first few times I watched him, I thought he was a
  bit of a smartalec. Now I get more of what he is doing and more
  appreciate his subtle but biting satire.
 
 I've never been taken with his show, but the format
 is very different, much looser, and not as coherent
 or pointed for that reason. 

OTOH, in his interviews on the show, he is often quite focussed, and
is the interviewer with the quickest wits and response time I have
ever seen. 

The dinner routine was
 more like standup, extremely tight and finely honed.

If he had been able to do the routine live for various audiences, I
think he would have honed it to a devestating level of finese, timeing
and polish. 












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