[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country with the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. The people of Harlem live shorter lives than the people of Bangladesh. When you take out the violence and drugs, two-thirds of the reason is heart disease. Is that bad diet? No, says Wilkinson, it is mainly stress, the stress of living at the bottom of the pecking order, on the lowest rung, the stress of disrespect and lack of esteem. Bad nutrition does less harm than depression. and.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Next, give me the keys to your car; you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Well, thank you, Tantra, for your level of ignorance comment...that truly sounds like the stance the TMO takes when it talks down to people. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. Yes, let's. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. Fine. Whether I'm employed or not has NOTHING to do with poverty (poverty = lack of basic necessities of life) You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Has nothing to do with poverty whether I work or not. Next, give me the keys to your car; A car is not a basic necessity of life (and, by the way, only a spoiled-brat American born with a silver spoon in his mouth would actually think that it was). you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, Savings has ZERO to do with whether one has the basic necessities of life. except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; Roof over one's head and minimal warmth IS a basic necessity, which you've granted me in your little experiment. you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Actually, Tantra, it is you who looks down on them: you obviously don't even consider poor people humans who are possessed of the same equal intelligence that you have. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Why do you even waste your time with cretins like me, Tantra? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. Yes, let's. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. Fine. Whether I'm employed or not has NOTHING to do with poverty (poverty = lack of basic necessities of life) Remember, Shemp, you have no money. You just spent the last of it on one month's rent. You also have no health insurance. I'm going to be generous and give you $100 or so to cover food and transportation on the bus for this first month that you're searching for work. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Has nothing to do with poverty whether I work or not. Tell me about that when your 100 bucks runs out. Next, give me the keys to your car; A car is not a basic necessity of life (and, by the way, only a spoiled-brat American born with a silver spoon in his mouth would actually think that it was). Great. Then you'll have no problem looking for a job on the bus, will you? you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, Savings has ZERO to do with whether one has the basic necessities of life. I see. If you're lucky, you won't get sick during the next six months, and have to see a doctor. except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; Roof over one's head and minimal warmth IS a basic necessity, which you've granted me in your little experiment. I'm being generous. According to one study I just studied, at any given time 1.2 million Americans don't even have that. They're homeless. And that's just the homeless CHILDREN. you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Actually, Tantra, it is you who looks down on them: you obviously don't even consider poor people humans who are possessed of the same equal intelligence that you have. Intelligence, yes. Opportunities, no. That's what you would have discovered if you had ever been in their shoes. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Why do you even waste your time with cretins like me, Tantra? A good question. Because sometimes you show heart. Other times, you're just a typical American -- ignorant and proud of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. I usually don't bother to deal with this level of ignorance, but in this case I will. Let's do a little experiment, Shemp. First, quit your job, so that you are unemployed and on an equal footing with other unemployed people. You can't start working again in your field for the duration of the experiment. Next, give me the keys to your car; you'll get it back in six months. Next, give me all your savings, except for one month's rent (no more) on an apartment that someone working at minimum wage could afford; you'll get the rest of your savings back, too. Finally, move out of your house and into this apartment and start over, on a *truly* equal footing with those people you look down on. Then spend six months living like millions of people really live, and tell me at the end of it all how equal you felt to those who had cushy jobs and a car and a house. You won't do it, of course. People who live in dream worlds never want to wake up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life expectancy in rich nations correlates precisely with levels of equality. So Greece, with half the GDP per head, has longer life expectancy than the US, the richest and most unequal country I take great exception to most unequal. If you're talking rights and freedoms, you're totally wrong. If you're talking economics, you're 180 degrees wrong. There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. You are missing the point. Try thinking about it about more. Or follow the link and read the rest of the book review. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. with the lowest life expectancy in the developed world. The people of Harlem live shorter lives than the people of Bangladesh. When you take out the violence and drugs, two-thirds of the reason is heart disease. Is that bad diet? No, says Wilkinson, it is mainly stress, the stress of living at the bottom of the pecking order, on the lowest rung, the stress of disrespect and lack of esteem. Bad nutrition does less harm than depression. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/politicsphilosophyandsociety/0,6121 ,1538844,00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
I propose a weekly FFL award for Most Ignorant Post of the Week. I nominate this one. I'd back it to win Most Ignorant Post of the Year, too, and perhaps of all time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Inequality kills
Through a combination of free market economics and social programs, the United States has achieved the virtual elimination of poverty. Poverty means the actual dictionary definition of poverty, NOT the silly definition of poverty line that the liberal press irresponsibily puts out to the world. The true, actual definition of poverty means the absense of the basic necessities of life. No one is without those basic necessities in the U.S. unless they WANT to be without those basic necessities. This has been an incredible feat. Those of you -- like the poster that celebrates my ignorance and like Tantra who looks down his nose at me like the TMO he never fails to express his disdain for does to those that disagree with it -- who fail to recognize this fact do a great, great injustice to the poor of the world. Why? Because the formula for success in eliminating poverty HAS been achieved: it is, again, this system in the U.S. that combines free market capitalism with those bottom-line basic necessities- providing social programs. By NOT recognizing this success, you perpetuate the search for something OTHER THAN the formula that works. How can others around the world living in countries in which REAL, TRUE poverty exist possibly find the solution to the horrible problem of poverty when those, like you, living in the country that has found the solution, deny it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I propose a weekly FFL award for Most Ignorant Post of the Week. I nominate this one. I'd back it to win Most Ignorant Post of the Year, too, and perhaps of all time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no country on Earth -- including those wonderful socialistic Scandinavian countries -- that have better economic equality than the United States. There is virtually ZERO gap between rich and so-called poor in the U.S. And I'm NOT talking poverty line or income...I'm talking access to the basic necessities of life. On THAT standard, there is virtually a ZERO gap between Bill Gates and that perennial 8-year-old kid sitting on a heap of garbage in Harlem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
