Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendarquote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Doug, a couple of quick questions for you. I can't help but notice that you feel comfortable substituting the Maharishi buzzphrase the Unified Field for the word God in the quote above. Do you feel that the two terms are synonymous? If so, do you still feel that the TM technique, which promises to offer direct experience of this Unified Field and eventually union with it, is not religious?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
Barry: You don't do TM, you don't have a God, and you are not established in Being. WTF do you care, and why are you not focused on yourself, instead of asking these pointless questions? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Doug, a couple of quick questions for you. I can't help but notice that you feel comfortable substituting the Maharishi buzzphrase the Unified Field for the word God in the quote above. Do you feel that the two terms are synonymous? If so, do you still feel that the TM technique, which promises to offer direct experience of this Unified Field and eventually union with it, is not religious?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
So which info did you give him to dissuade him to cease TM after 40+ years of practice? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
MJ: I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. We are so *happy* for you to finally accomplish something in your life. You should be very proud of your accomplishments, which are many indeed. What would our schools do with you are your valuable service? Happy! http://youtu.be/y6Sxv-sUYtM On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
All the good stuff I learnt raght cheer on FFL! On Fri, 5/16/14, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 3:30 PM So which info did you give him to dissuade him to cease TM after 40+ years of practice? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am very happy to have been of some small service to the lady who recently got TM booted out of her son's school in San Francisco. Also my North Carolina buddy who has done TM since 1972 and recently ceased and desisted in part due to info I gave him is coming to visit this very evening. I think we'll make plans of how to neuter the TMO and maybe go glass a few TM'ers -wait, we aren't in the Scorpion Nation, we're in SC!!! On Fri, 5/16/14, dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 16, 2014, 11:57 AM Very fair observation, Fleetwood. And facing the enemies combatant who actively fight gainst larger spirituality, meditating an Maharishi. The anti-meditation neganauts even arrayed here. Especially the indictment of their negativist position of obstructing and keeping meditation from school educational design is no better than those religious nuts kidnapping all those school girls and selling them in to Islamic slavery. Certainly with people like those Nigerian religious ideological nuts in the news now, bringing in the drones and special forces to hunt them down, some of our own enemies combatant could certainly be hunted down as criminals against humanity for their ignorant and wrong asocial behaviors.-Buck in the Dome Yep, and yesterday's Zen Calendar quote is still good for today: “It is by silence that the saints grew, that it was because of silence that the power of [the Unified Field] grew in them, because of silence that the mysteries were known to them.” -The Desert Father Ammonas Fleetwood_macncheese writes: Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. fleetwood_macncheese writes: Enlightenment. Funny, because no one talks about this topic here, despite this forum's alleged purpose. Fellows like Barry (or Bawee) who criticizes Maharishi endlessly, haven't had a good meditation during this century. The criticizers have just a very small amount of spiritual experience between them. Even Curtis, the musician guy who meditated and rounded, with Sidhis, for 15 years, is not established in Being. So we have those here, who denigrate every bit of Maharishi's teaching, Guru Dev, TM and the siddhis. But these critics are not established in Being. They have weak and empty spiritual lives, and rather than working on that, they find it a great and happy distraction, to focus, instead, on someone else's perceived failings. That is not the purpose of this forum, to take pot shots at others, because of your own failures. I hope that Barry, Curtis and Michael all take this to heart, and the next time they open their mouths to fling an empty criticism at all things TM, they reflect, first, on their paucity of spiritual experience, and be aware of that.-Fleetwood turquoiseb writes: curtisdeltablues writes: fleetwood_macncheese writes: An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do
[FairfieldLife] Re: facing a lack of spiritual experience head on
Boys, boys -- lest we get distracted. The original point was about, on the one hand, your relative lack of self-reported spiritual experience, and, on the other, your fantasized expertise, regarding same. I see a lot of hot air, but no answers to such a question. I admit it is a very tough question for either of you to address, head on, and I really don't expect as much. I am simply asking that you both be aware of your utter lack of experience, to back up any spiritual claims you may attempt. A little self-reflection would be very helpful, for either of you. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : An enthusiastic response from me? Nope, just stay far enough away from me, to keep your bleeding heart from ruining my shirt. C:Your framing compassion for people suffering from a disease they did not choose and speaking out against your callus post as a bleeding heart makes my point perfectly. Especially coming from one of the Maharishi enlightened. This exchange illustrates my basic thesis on this forum. It REALLY DOESN'T MATTER what one *says* about people one doesn't like on FFL. All that matters is what the persons saying it do in their posts, as often-unintended accessories to what they say. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Sorry dude, this distraction thing doesn't work for many of us any more. Maharishi has been dead a long time now. You apparently have only witnessed for about two weeks, out of your whole life. I, and countless others, do it 24x7, and have now, for years and years - it is an established way of functioning. We don't endlessly bitch and whine about this teacher, or that, because we are enjoying a full spiritual life. You, on the other hand, with your Two Weeks Of Witnessing Lifetime Achievement Award, wring your hands and raise the alarm continuously, about a teacher who passed away many years ago, to distract yourself from your weak and shallow spiritual life. TWO weeks witnessing, total, total? I wouldn't even admit that, if I were you. C: Spiritual oneupmanship based on a self-reported state of mind... This connects back to the poster who said that I must never have transcended because if I had, I would have come to the same conclusions Maharishi did about the meaning of such experiences. It brings up an overarching problem with these self reported experiences and the language we use to describe them. Upon some reflection I see that that poster had a perfect right to challenge my self reported experience. Given my exposure to the organization and its programs designed to give such experiences, it would be sort of an indictment of the effectiveness of those programs or Maharishi's ability to certify people to represent his programs. But at its epistemological basis his POV was as valid as my own from one point of view. When we use the kind of words we have to in describing these experiences it is really all too vague to make any determination at all about what is going on inside another person. Unfortunately it also means that you are unlikely to get the traction you seek from this kind of I experience whatever and you don't putdown. Aside from my interest in the knowledge issues with self reported states of mind, I was prompted to respond to you post Jim because of what you said about cancer. Jim: Once you know yourself, not just intellectually, but in every way possible, unbounded awareness, cancer cannot get a foot hold. Cancer is usually an emotional disease, although it eventually manifests physically. Any repressed block of emotion can solidify into a cancer. C: Do you realized that your misplaced confidence in your subjectively determined opinion about cancer (which is not supported by those whose job it is to actually study cancer) carries within it a nasty bit of victimizing the victim. You are essentially blaming people who die of cancer for their repressed block of emotion somehow 'solidifying into cancer as well as their lack of knowing themselves in every possible way. You are not the only one with this New Age belief about cancer. It is a popular idea among the crystals and Bach remedy crowd. I disagree with this POV and the confidence with which you posted it as a fact. I believe that this POV expressed by yourself and others causes much unnecessary pain for people going through cancer treatment and their families. I have had a few friends die of one of the forms of this disease before their time and I can tell you for a fact this kind of nonsense is a torment to them as they try to figure out if they are doing something wrong that is causing their fatal disease of causing the to (in another unfortunate
