Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
On Oct 10, 2005, at 7:02 PM, peterklutz wrote: > Ok, so control-freaks need not heed MMY's reported 197? comment on > loosing one's bad habits? No hard and fast rule, but from this POV you transform the negative, neurotic dimension of existence into "All-Accomplishing Wisdom". Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
On Oct 10, 2005, at 5:00 PM, peterklutz wrote: > In the BG MMY says at least two things that might be of guidance. The > first is that an enlightened individual (another oxymoron..?) always > acts to promote evolution. Precisely...and this would be enlightened *activity*...typically the province of karma buddhas--buddhas who act through enlightened action and activity. Karma buddhas and karma dakinis (the energy of enlightened action) are portrayed in iconography *in profile* because they are too busy to take the time to look straight at you, they're always performing some skillful activity. In the unenlightened, neurotic aspect the karma energy is those who paranoid and have to organize everything--afraid of losing track of all that's going on-- often frantically organizing and controlling everything. In it's enlightened form it becomes "all-accomplishing Wisdom"--and greatly benefits sentient beings. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
--- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- snip -- > > > Nicely put. Any concept of "enlightened behavior" > is > > more a reflection of a cultural/psychological > boundary > > of the individual than some assessment of > > enlightenment. By the way, I just realized, the > term > > "enlightened behavior" is an oxymoron. There is no > > such thing as enlightened behavior. There's just > > behavior, period. > > > > In the BG MMY says at least two things that might be > of guidance. The > first is that an enlightened individual (another > oxymoron..?) always > acts to promote evolution. The second is that of the > three gunas, > enlightened people act under the influence of > sattva. > > Given the press conference of lately I would venture > a guess that one > is always true but that two is a matter of choice - > and then perhaps > what the times require to promote the smoothest > evolution possible for > the cosmically assigned area of responsibility (the > World, in MMY's case). > > History has previously recorded enlightened people > acting in manners > that in effect made their physical bodies the focal > point for > collective bad karma. The Ultimate Sacrifice, I > believe it's called > when people who are not Self-realized passes through > this particular > experience. > > What is it called for someone who is enlightened, > when a ripple aware > of it's status as the Ocean levels out and in the > process performs a > yagya that resounds for millenia to come? I think you are attributing qualities and abilities to the enlightened that just aren't there. It's more a projection of the God archetype than anything else. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
On Oct 10, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Peter wrote: > Nicely put. Any concept of "enlightened behavior" is > more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary > of the individual than some assessment of > enlightenment. By the way, I just realized, the term > "enlightened behavior" is an oxymoron. There is no > such thing as enlightened behavior. There's just > behavior, period. Yeah, all those buddhafields are just there for decoration! -- "Things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise" --a Buddhist Sutra Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
On 10/10/05 3:28 PM, "anonymousff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Interesting point. >> >> It's different though as we approach Unity and the "extinction of all >> phenomenon". There's actually a yogic saying on this which states >> "Ascend with Conduct, Descend with the View." In other words, as your >> consciousness begins to assume the POV of Unity and begins to exhaust >> all it's karma, one's conduct--in terms of the karmic imprints one >> makes and the quality of ones actions--must be exemplary--so the >> conduct must rise. If you can do that, you will exhaust all karmic >> potentials. >> > > I once believed that but I no longer do. > To me all the whole sheband now means is that whoever you are, however > you act, as you become increasingly free from the binding influence of > action, you become increasingly free from the binding influence of action. > How that plays out is totally individual and all else is mere > moodmaking about the state. > > How many TMers adopted a lifestyle commensurate with higher states of > consciousness only to have the whole thing backfire on them? Some seem > to naturally beome nicer people that is until someone cuts them off > while driving, or when they bang their thumb with a hammer. The fine points here are "quality" and "exemplary"--as if one has acquired the state of Unity and can carry it in all actions then one can perform any action. However there is such a thing as ³losing the Action in the View². Not all spontaneity is enlightened spontaneity. Life is in the details--as a tantric Buddha once said " Though my View is as spacious as the sky, my actions and respect for cause and effect are as fine as grains of flour." Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Actions of the Enlightened
--- anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj snip > > I once believed that but I no longer do. > To me all the whole sheband now means is that > whoever you are, however > you act, as you become increasingly free from the > binding influence of > action, you become increasingly free from the > binding influence of action. > How that plays out is totally individual and all > else is mere > moodmaking about the state. Nicely put. Any concept of "enlightened behavior" is more a reflection of a cultural/psychological boundary of the individual than some assessment of enlightenment. By the way, I just realized, the term "enlightened behavior" is an oxymoron. There is no such thing as enlightened behavior. There's just behavior, period. > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make > Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM > ~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
