Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 2/5/06 4:26:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and how they should live their lives. He used to say, "It is not a favor to the seeker to answer such questions. If I do, it makes them *weaker*, because they get used to someone telling them how to live and making their decisions for them instead of figuring things out for themselves." (This is not an exact quote...I'm doing this from memory.) Pity he didn't stick to that teaching. If he had, he'd have created stronger students.Your paraphrase above sums up, for me, exactly how MMY did indeed deal with all these non-TM issues. And, yes, like yourself, I wish he had stuck to it. M used to say "what you should eat is not my message, TM is my message." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent.You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there mightsomeday be a problem. "Things like this" justaren't supposed to happen with TMers. So theydidn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as itturned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them towhat they should -- as people who run a college --have been doing to protect the students. "Nature would take care" Hm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/27/06 2:32:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Either way, they'd never had experience with a violent nutcase on the MUM student body, or at least not THAT violent. You're being intentionally obtuse. The *reason* there was a problem is that their world view didn't allow them to conceive that there might someday be a problem. Things like this just aren't supposed to happen with TMers. So they didn't prepare for them. Their beliefs (as it turned out, unfounded beliefs) blinded them to what they should -- as people who run a college -- have been doing to protect the students. Nature would take care Hm When I was going through my master's progam in counseling and human development at the University of Iowa and living in Fairfield, I would frequently eat at Anapurna. It always cracked me up when someone would tell me that my future counseling/psychotherapy work would be very simple because I would just have to tell them to start TM...problem solved! the spooky part was that many of these TB's actually believed it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
Sure, the enjoyment part.:) They don't seem to be real big on that, unfortunately. Sal On Jan 28, 2006, at 9:30 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/28/06 9:32:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, there's a dictate from the TMO for every aspect of the relative field of activity: what direction to face; what foods to eat (and where, of course, to buy them!); what type of building to live, sleep, meditate and work in; be guided by astrology and certain vedic rituals to ward off negativity (and pay through the nose for it); and have your health treated by Ayur-Veda and Vedic Vibration.Is there an aspect of the relative which is NOT covered by some TM program?Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite?These suckers will believe anything. You forgot which music to listen to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
The big selfsparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world?Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed Who is still working for any major organization 30-40 years after it started to get big? Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
On Jan 17, 2006, at 11:51 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:You're exactly right about the tremendous accomplishment and the change in collective consciousness brought about by the TMO at it's best.What change in collective consciousness? The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simple consciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. Why do you feel "It's just not available now"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 3:01:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I weep.When you've been dealing with brainwashed Yes-menfor 40 years, you come to believe you can sayalmost anything and promise almost anything andpeople will believe it. I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie?The Yes-Men are the villains...Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world?Eye on the prize, please. I would like to be able to say it's the "yes men" also, but that would be letting M off the hook too easily. He built the organization andis supposed to be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take some responsibility for how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
on 1/17/06 1:22 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
on 1/17/06 3:59 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Say something like that and you're out on your ass. Not just because the yes-men want it that way. Because Maharishi does. He made the yes men, allowed them to be close to him, and distanced or banished everyone else. As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry, Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn't it odd that no one stayed True. They all became a bit too independent in their thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 4:02:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As soon as they stop saying 'yes', they're history. Charlie, Jerry,Domash, Donahue, Chopra Haeglin, not yet, but he's salaried. Isn'tit odd that no one stayedJohnY What else could Haeglen do with his reputation? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/17/06 1:55:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess some could weep, but then don't you think M would be a great villain in an Austin Powers movie? The Yes-Men are the villains... Isn't there SOMEONE around him willing to say: Hey, Maharishi, can we get around to teaching TM sometime soon so we can spiritually regenerate the world? Eye on the prize, please. I would like to be able to say it's the yes men also, but that would be letting M off the hook too easily. He built the organization and is supposed to be the Maharishi of administration. He needs to take some responsibility for how it turned out and not turn a blind eye to it. I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic, which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has created this environment of artificiality and mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups, world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous business plansnada... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
But you gotta admit it's entertaining. What would we have to talk about if they suddenly caught an epidemic of common sense? Sal On Jan 17, 2006, at 7:41 PM, Peter wrote: I think one problem is that the TB's believe that MMY is knowledgable in all things. As if every utterance he makes is spoken out of the mouth of god. I'm also sure plenty of people around him doubt, to some extent, his planning, but instead of being authentic, which is their dharma, they stifle the very natural impulse to mention to MMY the impossibility of his schemes in the Western world. But, then again, MMY has created this environment of artificiality and mood-making around him. Quite the shame. Do they even have a business plan for this bond-scam? It's ridiculous and will work as well as the pundit groups, world peace palaces and all the other ridiculous business plansnada...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
In a message dated 1/17/06 10:53:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The contributions of 100's of thousands working to bring simpleconsciousness closer to the surface. It's just not available now. That's the point. Bingo, M and the TMO have run them off! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?
on 1/17/06 10:42 PM, mainstream20016 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mainstream20016 writes: Despite the consistent disappointments delivered to TMers via the TMO (MMY), I think that MMY and his organization have accomplished a great deal in their 50 year history. Many, many thousands of persons have contributed to the achievements, from TM teachers, TMO institution staff, and regular CPs who chose to spend their time and resources on TMO courses rather than on some secular activity that would not have accrued benefit to the TMO.- Overall, a collective effort of tremendous aggregate value has been placed into the TMO. Snip. No one is saying they could have filled Maharishi's sandals. And no one is saying that the TM hasn't benefited them and the world. I don't claim to be qualified to be President of the United States. But that doesn't mean I'm not qualified to criticize the President. Maharishi did many things while presenting himself to the public as someone who didn't or wouldn't do those things, apparently thinking he was getting away with it because his ruse was working. But he didn't get away with it, because such behavior took a toll on his psychology and personality, which is now painfully evident to all but the most ardent true believer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
