Re: [FairfieldLife] Advice Sought, Secular Meditation

2007-06-01 Thread John Davis
Hi Doug,

 Yes, check out some books by Dr. David R. Hawkins for instance.  

Thanks - I'll take a look.

John

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From: dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Advice Sought, Secular Meditation


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. 
It is 
 also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was 
never my 
 strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered 
if anyone 
 here could help...
 large snip 
 There are, of course, non-mantra based meditations. But those that 
I have 
 encountered seem based around the breath. And although this would 
indeed 
 seem universal, what quiet I do find through TM comes when thought 
of breath 
 has fallen away (as a woodwind musician, I am rarely unaware of, if 
not 
 actively controlling, my breath).
 
 Hmm. I'm not sure there is a question in the above, so much as a 
seeking of 
 thoughts and opinion. Is the mantra used of importance? If so, why? 
If not, 
 why?! Do there by any chance exist other non mantra-based, non-
religious, 
 'aimless' meditations? Are my thought processes described above 
flawed? If 
 so, why and how?
 
 Anyways, thanks for reading this far, and any advice would be 
greatfully 
 received.
 
 John


Yes, check out some books by Dr. David R. Hawkins for instance.  
Western enlightened spiritual guy who gives out secular meditation 
practices.  For the longterm non-secular meditator his books and 
talks can be excellant advanced checking of spiritual experience.  

An Interesting synthesis in a life, of apex of Western and Eastern 
experience with meditation, spiritual experience and enlightenment 
as, secular.  Similar to Eastern veneer of 'gurus' from India or Asia 
 yet without the cultural non-secular trip-traps of their shows.

In his books there often are short description of productive secular 
spiritual practice meditation.

You might like his books for your experience.  Highly spiritual and 
like a modern-day Emerson.

-Doug in FF







[FairfieldLife] Advice Sought, Secular Meditation

2007-05-31 Thread dhamiltony2k5
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm new to this list, so I hope the following post is appropriate. 
It is 
 also somewhat lengthy, for which I apologise - conciseness was 
never my 
 strong point. But I am in search of a spot of advice, and wondered 
if anyone 
 here could help...
 large snip 
 There are, of course, non-mantra based meditations. But those that 
I have 
 encountered seem based around the breath. And although this would 
indeed 
 seem universal, what quiet I do find through TM comes when thought 
of breath 
 has fallen away (as a woodwind musician, I am rarely unaware of, if 
not 
 actively controlling, my breath).
 
 Hmm. I'm not sure there is a question in the above, so much as a 
seeking of 
 thoughts and opinion. Is the mantra used of importance? If so, why? 
If not, 
 why?! Do there by any chance exist other non mantra-based, non-
religious, 
 'aimless' meditations? Are my thought processes described above 
flawed? If 
 so, why and how?
 
 Anyways, thanks for reading this far, and any advice would be 
greatfully 
 received.
 
 John


Yes, check out some books by Dr. David R. Hawkins for instance.  
Western enlightened spiritual guy who gives out secular meditation 
practices.  For the longterm non-secular meditator his books and 
talks can be excellant advanced checking of spiritual experience.  

An Interesting synthesis in a life, of apex of Western and Eastern 
experience with meditation, spiritual experience and enlightenment 
as, secular.  Similar to Eastern veneer of 'gurus' from India or Asia 
 yet without the cultural non-secular trip-traps of their shows.

In his books there often are short description of productive secular 
spiritual practice meditation.

You might like his books for your experience.  Highly spiritual and 
like a modern-day Emerson.

-Doug in FF