[FairfieldLife] Darshan, The Embrace - ComingSoon.net Film Database
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[FairfieldLife] Darshan..Munis and Rishis
Munis Rishis (Sages Seers) http://www.sadguruseva.org/sss/sssMain.html In the Puranaas (Indian mythological scriptures), we come across stories of Rishis and Munis. But we do not know who is a Rishi and who is a Muni. There is a difference between the two. All those who meditate are Munis. But only those, who are capable of having darshana (revelation) are Rishis. What is darshana? Is it the vision of some deity? No. The act of perceiving (experiencing) in the heart, the vibration of the mantras (seed letters) pervading the whole universe, since time immemorial, is called darshana. Those who achieve this are Mantradrastaas. They alone are called Rishis. Some have tried to conduct and some are still conducting research about the period of Vedas. They are like those who try to find out when the first wave arose on the ocean. Veda mantras revealed in the hearts of the deserved will remain on earth as long as the disciples fit for their grace are there. Later they merge in the sky and give darshan to the deserving Maharshi. This is why none of the Vedic Rishis claimed that they were the author of the Vedas. - Sri Swamiji Jai Guru Datta! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darshan
Akasha 108 writes: And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Tom T: It is my experience that the Guru stirs the wholeness into activity. Those in the room feel it in a palpable way. The guru gives everyone in the room direct and complete understanding of what wholeness is. Any one who is in that room then has the direct physical experience of wholeness and the intellectual understanding of how and why wholeness is lived through the discourse of the Guru. This completes the fullness/wholeness of both the experience and the intellectual understanding simultaneously. Tom Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darshan
--- tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Tom T: It is my experience that the Guru stirs the wholeness into activity. Those in the room feel it in a palpable way. The guru gives everyone in the room direct and complete understanding of what wholeness is. Any one who is in that room then has the direct physical experience of wholeness and the intellectual understanding of how and why wholeness is lived through the discourse of the Guru. This completes the fullness/wholeness of both the experience and the intellectual understanding simultaneously. Tom There is something about a guru that easily awakens that infinite consciousness in some people. It is not complete projection, nor is it solely the guru doing this. The guru is always offering it by their very nature. But the student/chela must bring something to allow that transmission to occur. I'm not sure what that is. Sincere intent? Sattva? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darshan (was: Sugar-Coated Poison: )
Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my direct experience with MMY and SSRS, their darshan is vast and powerful...infinite Shiva. An honest question and sincere point: I am wondering what you feel from your wife's darshan? Or attention on the love you have for her? The point I am trying to get at is distinguishing what comes from inside us, but we attribute to others, and what really comes from outside. Which is sort of silly when we ae discussing infinite Shiva -- its all inside and outside. But that sort of gets to the point. I find, that when focussing on a loved one, love fills you up, and all sorts of energy dynamics can unfold, lots of powerful stuff can happen. And one attributes it to the other, but its really just love within oneself unfolding. So thats the case with ordinary folks (not to imply your wife is ordinary). Is it (any) different with saints? I know that sounds like a silly question and makes it seems I have never been in the presence of saints and felt powerful and wonderful things. I have. But still, it begs the question, how much is coming from them, how much is just real inner stuff bubbleing up because we are focussed on something that invokes love and surrender? MMY has wonderful lectures on you think its all coming from the teacher, but the teahcer does nothing, it all comes from the student. Like a resevoir does nothing, its the pipe that makes the conection. Like a golden chain And love comes from you, not from the one you love Both quote streams are related to what i am trying to get at with the darshan experience -- but are not 100% dead-on. And many devotees make the (non) distinction that here or there, in their physiccal presence, 10,000 miles away, the guru is aways there, full as full can be. Has anyone figured out this distinction of wholeness and its source in saint darshan? How much is coming from the Saint? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darshan, was Vlodrop report
On 8/27/05 9:56 AM, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question from my point of view, 28 years away from it, is -- was it darshan or was it something else, something more occult? I don't have an answer to this question, because it really has been so long since I've been in Maharishi's presence, but I wonder about it sometimes. It's been interesting to watch this whole idea of darshan as something important develop. From my perspective, it's largely an artifact of spiritual materialism and one-upmanship in the spiritual supermarket. Originally darshan was just hanging with the guru. It began to take importance as a buzzword when Baba Muktananda brought the Siddha tradition to the west. In his trad. darshan *is important* because it is part and parcel of how the teaching was transmitted. He (and his successors) had the unique siddhi of transmitting shakti, either deliberately, or just by being in their presence during nightly darshan. Attending one of these events one would see people who had never meditated going into deep spontaneous absorptions, assuming yoga asanas spontaneously and a long list of experiences. Good news like this spread fast. It also upped the ante in the spiritual supermarket. If we had the highest teaching, then surely OUR teacher had a profound darshan as well! Never mind if you were from a totally different tradition where shaktipat was *not* part of the game plan--darshan was HOT and everybody had to have it. It became like my father is stronger than your father kind of mentality. I'm surprised someone hasn't developed a darshan rating scale. Any hew, then MMY just HAD to have a good darshan. Man that's where it's at! But it's really mimicry of the most pathetic kind IMO. My .02 USD Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Darshan
I was thinking about the comments I made about darshan in a recent post. The cool thing about darshan (many related definitions if you Google define darshan) is that you not only feel uplifted or infused with Pure Consciousness, but in a very real sense you seem to merge with the saint whose darshan you are getting. Their consciousness is like a big amoeba that engulfs and digests you. You find yourself feeling unified with them, symbiotically partaking of their state of consciousness. And to some extent, it sticks. And it's cumulative. That's how Maharishi got enlightened, or whatever he got. A sufficiently enlightened being exudes so much pure consciousness that he enlightens anyone in his proximity, according to their receptivity. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darshan
---Well darshan doesn't just mean what people usually think, that is, just seeing the physical form of the object of devotion. As the name for the Upangas suggests, that is, the Darshanas. They are they means of vision of the enlightenment. So I am curious if besides some feelings of unity you get the vision of those feelings as well. For instance, say that feeling ofpure consciousnessflows also with color, taste, smell, touch, and sound. Has thesaint ever brought these subtle sensory perceptions of the divine? The stabilization of this would be the enlightenment, obviously, because the senses as the crudest aspect of the human need to have their darshan or the person cannot be said to be wholly enlightened. I really liked Carlos Castaneda the best for all guru/chela relationships and their ramifications. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Darshan I was thinking about the comments I made about darshan in a recent post. Thecool thing about darshan (many related definitions if you Google "definedarshan") is that you not only feel uplifted or infused with PureConsciousness, but in a very real sense you seem to merge with the saintwhose darshan you are getting. Their consciousness is like a big amoeba thatengulfs and digests you. You find yourself feeling unified with them,symbiotically partaking of their state of consciousness. And to some extent,it sticks. And it's cumulative. That's how Maharishi got enlightened, orwhatever he got. A sufficiently enlightened being exudes so much pureconsciousness that he enlightens anyone in his proximity, according to theirreceptivity.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darshan
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking about the comments I made about darshan in a recent post. The cool thing about darshan (many related definitions if you Google define darshan) is that you not only feel uplifted or infused with Pure Consciousness, but in a very real sense you seem to merge with the saint whose darshan you are getting. Their consciousness is like a big amoeba that engulfs and digests you. You find yourself feeling unified with them, symbiotically partaking of their state of consciousness. And to some extent, it sticks. And it's cumulative. That's how Maharishi got enlightened, or whatever he got. A sufficiently enlightened being exudes so much pure consciousness that he enlightens anyone in his proximity, according to their receptivity. Once that connection with a Master has been established you just have to think of that Master and you experience that darshan. But your enlightenment dharma has to be with a particular master otherwise you don't experience anything or not very much. I find this is true around SSRS. Some people are blown away by his darshan and others can't figure out why people make such a big deal about him. Obviously I fall into the first category. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Darshan
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Darshan on 6/5/05 10:26 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Well darshan doesn't just mean what people usually think, that is, just seeing the physical form of the object of devotion. As the name for the Upangas suggests, that is, the Darshanas. They are they means of vision of the enlightenment. So I am curious if besides some feelings of unity you get the vision of those feelings as well. For instance, say that feeling of pure consciousness flows also with color, taste, smell, touch, and sound. Has the saint ever brought these subtle sensory perceptions of the divine? Maybe for some, but not for me. My vision refines, but Im not a very visual person. So for me the significant thing was the enlivenment of consciousness itself, and the bliss and coherence that produces. Ive had the darshan of four saints. Maharishi, Muktananda, Karunamayi, and Ammachi. In Muktanandas case, I didnt see him. Just sat in on the program in his NYC ashram in 1976. The room was suffused with his shakti. Maharishi and Ammachi were the most powerful, and trying to be objective, Id have to say Amma has him beat, especially during Devi Bhava, and especially at the end of that. She really pulls out all the stops and blasts everyone in the room. But as Peter says, you cant be objective. It depends on your connection with saint. But not entirely that. Also depends on their status. A balance of the two Id say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
