[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >
> > > to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an 
important 
> > > thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
> > > respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
> > > teaching them. 
> > 
> >   That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. 
Every
> > aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, 
but
> > the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me.
> > 
> > JohnY
> 
> You are easily amazed. The basic message isn't questioned 
> because it is first rate. That's why. It's not the product 
> that is at fault; it's some of the packaging and all of the
> the marketing and administration.
> Uns.

For some reason I just had a flash of the scene from 2010 where the 
revived astronaught informed his wife that "something wonderful" was 
about to happen. Think about how all the horrible and 
incomprehensible and inscrutable things involving the monoliths 
happened, and then suddenly, a new star...





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with 
the 
> > new 
> > > course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that 
is 
> > > why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some 
years to 
> > > work through the whole process, and in that time I started to 
ask 
> > > critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to 
> > > understand what was going on.
> > > Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because 
I 
> > had 
> > > to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the 
TMO. 
> > Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you 
inform 
> > your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you 
how 
> > to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important 
> > thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
> > respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
> > teaching them.
> > 
> 
>   That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. 
Every
> aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, but
> the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me.
> 
> JohnY

Actually a sign that MMY's teaching works, I think...





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important 
> > thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
> > respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
> > teaching them. 
> 
>   That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. Every
> aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, but
> the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me.
> 
> JohnY

You are easily amazed. The basic message isn't questioned 
because it is first rate. That's why. It's not the product 
that is at fault; it's some of the packaging and all of the
the marketing and administration.
Uns.




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the 
> new 
> > course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is 
> > why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to 
> > work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask 
> > critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to 
> > understand what was going on.
> > Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I 
> had 
> > to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.
> > Ingegerd
> 
> But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the TMO. 
> Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform 
> your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how 
> to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important 
> thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
> respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
> teaching them.
> 

  That's a contradiction that you see here on FFL all the time. Every
aspect of the messenger's ethics and credibility is questioned, but
the basic message is not. Sometimes it amazes me.

JohnY 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Llundrub





Yes, and also you would have been 
kicked out anyway. 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Ingegerd 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 1:24 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
Maharishi)
At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with 
the new course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is 
why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to work 
through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask critical 
questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to understand what was 
going on.Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I 
had to think for myself, not only lean back and follow 
blindly.Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Ingegerd" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > The TMO 
in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach > > people 
outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. > One > 
> day I received a message on my answering machine from the > > 
International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send > them 
> > an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and 
gave > > them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything 
more.> > The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old 
TM-> > Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They 
mentioned > me > > on WPAs as a very bad example because I let 
MMY down.> > It was really an interesting process. I think that is an 
experience > > many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one 
reason that many > TM-> > Teachers initiate in secret, and 
do not go out openly.> > Ingegerd> > > You have 
indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so > how is 
it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?"





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-15 Thread Ingegerd
I tell my students that I am not longer a part of the TMO and why. 
(because of the course-fee). I tell them about the Vedic Tradition 
and that MMY brought TM to the West. I think we can discuss what came 
first - the hen or the egg - over and over again. Who let who down. I 
cannot be a part of an organisation that is so far from my values any 
more, and MMY set the standards for the TMO. I have nothing against 
MMY as a Human Being, but I do not like some of his actions, as 
mentioned in other mails. One TM-Teacher participated in Guru Purnima 
this summer, seing MMY on the big screen. and said that MMY now looks 
very, very old. And I usually respect old people.
Ingegerd
 
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the 
> new 
> > course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that 
is 
> > why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years 
to 
> > work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask 
> > critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to 
> > understand what was going on.
> > Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I 
> had 
> > to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.
> > Ingegerd
> 
> But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the 
TMO. 
> Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform 
> your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how 
> to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important 
> thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
> respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
> teaching them.
> 
> 
> >  
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I 
> teach 
> > > > people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and 
> everything. 
> > > One 
> > > > day I received a message on my answering machine from the 
> > > > International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I 
send 
> > > them 
> > > > an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and 
> > gave 
> > > > them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more.
> > > > The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old 
TM-
> > > > Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They 
> mentioned 
> > > me 
> > > > on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down.
> > > > It was really an interesting process. I think that is an 
> > experience 
> > > > many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that 
> > many 
> > > TM-
> > > > Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly.
> > > > Ingegerd
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for 
MMY, 
> > so 
> > > how is it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?"




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the 
new 
> course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is 
> why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to 
> work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask 
> critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to 
> understand what was going on.
> Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I 
had 
> to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.
> Ingegerd

But again, you have said that you have no respect for MMY or the TMO. 
Why shouldn't the TMO say that you have let MMY down? Do you inform 
your students that you no longer respect the guy who taught you how 
to teach meditation? Seems to me like that might be an important 
thing for a meditation student to know: their teacher no longer 
respects her OWN teacher -the one that taught her what she is 
teaching them.


>  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I 
teach 
> > > people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and 
everything. 
> > One 
> > > day I received a message on my answering machine from the 
> > > International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send 
> > them 
> > > an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and 
> gave 
> > > them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more.
> > > The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM-
> > > Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They 
mentioned 
> > me 
> > > on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down.
> > > It was really an interesting process. I think that is an 
> experience 
> > > many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that 
> many 
> > TM-
> > > Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly.
> > > Ingegerd
> > 
> > 
> > You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, 
> so 
> > how is it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?"




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Ingegerd
At that time I was very devoted to MMY. I did not agree with the new 
course-fees and did not want to sign a new agreement form, that is 
why I was kicked out of the TMO in Norway. It took me some years to 
work through the whole process, and in that time I started to ask 
critical questions about the TMO and MMY, because I needed to 
understand what was going on.
Now, I can see it was a very good thing that happened, because I had 
to think for myself, not only lean back and follow blindly.
Ingegerd
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach 
> > people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. 
> One 
> > day I received a message on my answering machine from the 
> > International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send 
> them 
> > an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and 
gave 
> > them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more.
> > The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM-
> > Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned 
> me 
> > on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down.
> > It was really an interesting process. I think that is an 
experience 
> > many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that 
many 
> TM-
> > Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly.
> > Ingegerd
> 
> 
> You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, 
so 
> how is it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?"




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach 
> people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. 
One 
> day I received a message on my answering machine from the 
> International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send 
them 
> an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and gave 
> them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more.
> The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM-
> Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned 
me 
> on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down.
> It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience 
> many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many 
TM-
> Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly.
> Ingegerd


You have indicated that you have *absolutely* no respect for MMY, so 
how is it a lie to say that you have "let MMY down?"






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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Ingegerd
The TMO in Norway tried to make a lot of fuss about that I teach 
people outside the TMO, with threats and Lawyers and everything. One 
day I received a message on my answering machine from the 
International TMO in Holland, they wanted to talk to me. I send them 
an e-mail and said "don't talk to me, talk to my Lawyer", and gave 
them his name and phonenumber. I did not hear anything more.
The TMO used every dirty means to try to stop me, using old TM-
Teachers, they spread lies about me to Sidhas etc. They mentioned me 
on WPAs as a very bad example because I let MMY down.
It was really an interesting process. I think that is an experience 
many Independent TM-Teachers had, and that is one reason that many TM-
Teachers initiate in secret, and do not go out openly.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe 
it
> > was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit
> > nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause 
stress.
> > This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take 
a
> > year or two). 
> > 
> > Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. 
They
> > get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him 
up, and
> > he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is 
word of
> > mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas 
where
> > people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from 
time to
> > time.
> > 
> Thanks, Ken - I appreciate the info.  I wonder if they've harassed 
him
> since he's put up his website?  Does anyone have any connection with
> the folks at TM Independent in Britian? I wonder what kind of leagel
> response they are getting. Any Attorneys in the house?
> 
> 
> JohnY 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > Kirk
> > > > You are missing the point!!  
> > > > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with
> the TMO.
> > > > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the 
wazoo by
> > > > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
teachers
> > > > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
teacher
> > > > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
default,
> > > > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > >   Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? 
And how
> > > he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I 
> > believe it
> > > > was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was 
a 
> bit
> > > > nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause 
> > stress.
> > > > This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or 
> > take a
> > > > year or two). 
> > > 
> > > that's major harrassment alright. Along the lines of sending 
> Chili 
> > > Palmer to break your hands, yep, yep.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > There's a big difference, though.
> > 
> > Chili Palmer had alot of class!
> 
> So the MUM legal department breaks no hands, but has no class, 
while 
> Chili Palmer breaks hands and kills people but has class, and this 
> makes him better?

Speak sweetly but carry a big stick...





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I 
> believe it
> > > was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a 
bit
> > > nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause 
> stress.
> > > This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or 
> take a
> > > year or two). 
> > 
> > that's major harrassment alright. Along the lines of sending 
Chili 
> > Palmer to break your hands, yep, yep.
> 
> 
> 
> There's a big difference, though.
> 
> Chili Palmer had alot of class!

So the MUM legal department breaks no hands, but has no class, while 
Chili Palmer breaks hands and kills people but has class, and this 
makes him better?




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I 
believe it
> > was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit
> > nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause 
stress.
> > This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or 
take a
> > year or two). 
> 
> that's major harrassment alright. Along the lines of sending Chili 
> Palmer to break your hands, yep, yep.



There's a big difference, though.

Chili Palmer had alot of class!




> 
> > 
> > Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step 
programs. 
> They
> > get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him 
up, 
> and
> > he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is 
word 
> of
> > mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas 
where
> > people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from 
time 
> to
> > time.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > > Kirk
> > > > You are missing the point!!  
> > > > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do 
with 
> the TMO.
> > > > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the 
> wazoo by
> > > > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
> teachers
> > > > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
> teacher
> > > > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
> default,
> > > > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > >   Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? 
And 
> how
> > > he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Yes he does, as taught. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's funny because a few years ago I would have had a somewhat 
> > negative reaction to that but since -- thanks to someone who 
> > reproduced it on this forum -- MMY said that there's value to 
those 
> > teaching TM outside the auspices of the Movement, hey, what am I 
to 
> > think...if the leader of the organisation doesn't mind, why 
should 
> I?
> > 
> 
> He said that if people were getting something out of an artificial 
> construct of one of his students, he was not dissatisfied.
> 
> I think that was the exact term he used: "not dissatisfied."
> 
> >

I found the exact quote (from message 46099):

Maharishi: What I have taught, because it has
it's eternal authenticity in
the vedic literature and you should know that,
how many? 30 - 40 thousand
teachers of TM I have trained and many of them
have gone on their own and
they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are
teaching it in some
different name here and there. So there's a lot
of these, artificial things
are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man
is getting something useful
to make his life better, we are satisfied.




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe it
> was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit
> nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause stress.
> This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take a
> year or two). 

that's major harrassment alright. Along the lines of sending Chili 
Palmer to break your hands, yep, yep.

> 
> Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. 
They
> get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him up, 
and
> he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is word 
of
> mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas where
> people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from time 
to
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Kirk
> > > You are missing the point!!  
> > > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with 
the TMO.
> > > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the 
wazoo by
> > > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
teachers
> > > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
teacher
> > > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
default,
> > > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > > Ken
> > > 
> >   Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And 
how
> > he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 
> > 
> > JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Yes he does, as taught. 
> 
> 
> 
> It's funny because a few years ago I would have had a somewhat 
> negative reaction to that but since -- thanks to someone who 
> reproduced it on this forum -- MMY said that there's value to those 
> teaching TM outside the auspices of the Movement, hey, what am I to 
> think...if the leader of the organisation doesn't mind, why should 
I?
> 

He said that if people were getting something out of an artificial 
construct of one of his students, he was not dissatisfied.

I think that was the exact term he used: "not dissatisfied."

> 




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe it
> was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit
> nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause stress.
> This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take a
> year or two). 
> 
> Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. They
> get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him up, and
> he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is word of
> mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas where
> people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from time to
> time.
> 
Thanks, Ken - I appreciate the info.  I wonder if they've harassed him
since he's put up his website?  Does anyone have any connection with
the folks at TM Independent in Britian? I wonder what kind of leagel
response they are getting. Any Attorneys in the house?


JohnY 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > Kirk
> > > You are missing the point!!  
> > > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with
the TMO.
> > > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo by
> > > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers
> > > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher
> > > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default,
> > > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > > Ken
> > > 
> >   Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And how
> > he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 
> > 
> > JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Kenny H
Paul got many letters from the legal department at MIU. I believe it
was from Lenny Goldman. He showed me the letters and he was a bit
nervous. Essentially he ignored them, though they did cause stress.
This was probably in the range of 6 years or so ago (give or take a
year or two). 

Paul's main TM audience has come from people in 12-Step programs. They
get a small group together who want to learn, someone puts him up, and
he flies to them. It works out well for all. And because it is word of
mouth among friends he ends up going back repeatedly to areas where
people learn so they get follow-up and group meditations from time to
time.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > Kirk
> > You are missing the point!!  
> > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO.
> > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo by
> > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers
> > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher
> > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default,
> > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > Ken
> > 
>   Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And how
> he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 
> 
> JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Kirk
> You are missing the point!!  
> Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO.
> He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo by
> the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers
> will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher
> is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default,
> not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> Ken
> 
  Do you know anything about how they tried to work him over? And how
he dealt with it?  Have a friend that is a lawyer? 

JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Yes he does, as taught. 



It's funny because a few years ago I would have had a somewhat 
negative reaction to that but since -- thanks to someone who 
reproduced it on this forum -- MMY said that there's value to those 
teaching TM outside the auspices of the Movement, hey, what am I to 
think...if the leader of the organisation doesn't mind, why should I?



> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > Kirk
> > > You are missing the point!!  
> > > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with 
the 
> > TMO.
> > > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the 
wazoo 
> > by
> > > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
> > teachers
> > > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
> > teacher
> > > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
> > default,
> > > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > > Ken
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ...and does this fellow teach TM with the puja, the 7 steps and 
all 
> > that he was taught to do originally with teacher-training?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > - Original Message - 
> > > > From: Kenny H 
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
> > Maharishi)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Kirk et. al.
> > > > 
> > > > Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in 
your 
> > area
> > > > who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a 
> > reasonable
> > > > rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about 
going on
> > > > courses and who may be willing.
> > > > 
> > > > Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's 
website 
> > and
> > > > any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will 
fly 
> > to them
> > > > and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me 
on 
> > the
> > > > side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the 
country 
> > (and
> > > > Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates.
> > > > 
> > > > Ken
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need
> > > > > of its benefits at a sensible price.
> > > > > Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,
> > > > > and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. 
> > > > > However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's 
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> > > > > -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine 
Mother 
> > and Her
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Llundrub





It's ok. I have gone to the source 
of TM and can freely teach it without needing any sort of connection to the 
Maharishi.
 
Like I said, I would not have anyone 
make any sort of connection to TMO at this point, official, or unofficial.  

 
I'm not missing the point.  

 
The real point is who is ripping off 
who really?
 
And what are the stakes for their 
missteps?
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Kenny H 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 2:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
Maharishi)
KirkYou are missing the point!!  Paul Brown, for 
example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO.He teaches the TM 
technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo bythe TMO and they 
finally have left him alone. The people he teacherswill be turned away from 
the TMO if they are asked who their teacheris. So you can rest assured that 
anyone he teaches will, by default,not be allowed to "belong" to the 
TMO.Ken--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies 
at this point. > > > - Original Message - > 
From: Kenny H > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, 
August 14, 2005 1:57 PM> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers 
(Re: I Hate Maharishi)> > > Kirk et. al.> > 
Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area> who 
is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable> rate. 
There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on> courses and 
who may be willing.> > Also, someone here probably has the link to 
Paul Brown's website and> any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him 
and he will fly to them> and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail 
address e-mail me on the> side and I can send it to you. He regularly 
travels the country (and> Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable 
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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Kenny H
Yes he does, as taught. 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > Kirk
> > You are missing the point!!  
> > Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the 
> TMO.
> > He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo 
> by
> > the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
> teachers
> > will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
> teacher
> > is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
> default,
> > not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> > Ken
> 
> 
> 
> ...and does this fellow teach TM with the puja, the 7 steps and all 
> that he was taught to do originally with teacher-training?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: Kenny H 
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
> Maharishi)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Kirk et. al.
> > > 
> > > Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your 
> area
> > > who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a 
> reasonable
> > > rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on
> > > courses and who may be willing.
> > > 
> > > Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website 
> and
> > > any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly 
> to them
> > > and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on 
> the
> > > side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country 
> (and
> > > Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates.
> > > 
> > > Ken
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need
> > > > of its benefits at a sensible price.
> > > > Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,
> > > > and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. 
> > > > However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's 
> > > > head honcho.
> > > > Uns.
> > > > 
> > > > -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother 
> and Her
> > > sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without 
> making
> > > her a whore of your own will?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> Kirk
> You are missing the point!!  
> Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the 
TMO.
> He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo 
by
> the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he 
teachers
> will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their 
teacher
> is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by 
default,
> not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
> Ken



...and does this fellow teach TM with the puja, the 7 steps and all 
that he was taught to do originally with teacher-training?





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: Kenny H 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
Maharishi)
> > 
> > 
> > Kirk et. al.
> > 
> > Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your 
area
> > who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a 
reasonable
> > rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on
> > courses and who may be willing.
> > 
> > Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website 
and
> > any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly 
to them
> > and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on 
the
> > side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country 
(and
> > Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates.
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need
> > > of its benefits at a sensible price.
> > > Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,
> > > and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. 
> > > However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's 
> > > head honcho.
> > > Uns.
> > > 
> > > -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother 
and Her
> > sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without 
making
> > her a whore of your own will?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Kenny H
Kirk
You are missing the point!!  
Paul Brown, for example, has NOTHING-NADA-ZERO-ZIP to do with the TMO.
He teaches the TM technique.  He has been threatened up the wazoo by
the TMO and they finally have left him alone. The people he teachers
will be turned away from the TMO if they are asked who their teacher
is. So you can rest assured that anyone he teaches will, by default,
not be allowed to "belong" to the TMO.
Ken

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst enemies at this point. 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: Kenny H 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)
> 
> 
> Kirk et. al.
> 
> Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area
> who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable
> rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on
> courses and who may be willing.
> 
> Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website and
> any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly to them
> and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on the
> side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country (and
> Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates.
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need
> > of its benefits at a sensible price.
> > Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,
> > and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. 
> > However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's 
> > head honcho.
> > Uns.
> > 
> > -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her
> sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making
> her a whore of your own will?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Llundrub





I wouldn't wish TMO upon my worst 
enemies at this point. 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Kenny H 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:57 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate 
Maharishi)
Kirk et. al.Why don't you see if you can hook up with 
a TM teacher in your areawho is willing to teach outside the guidelines and 
charge a reasonablerate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about 
going oncourses and who may be willing.Also, someone here probably 
has the link to Paul Brown's website andany interested people ANYWHERE can 
contact him and he will fly to themand teach them TM. If you want his e-mail 
address e-mail me on theside and I can send it to you. He regularly travels 
the country (andCanada) to teach people TM at very reasonable 
rates.Ken--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > TM is what counts. It 
should be offered to those in need> of its benefits at a sensible 
price.> Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,> and 
it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. > However, I have 
absolutely no view about Samsung's > head honcho.> Uns.> 
> -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and 
Hersacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without 
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[FairfieldLife] Independent TM Teachers (Re: I Hate Maharishi)

2005-08-14 Thread Kenny H
Kirk et. al.

Why don't you see if you can hook up with a TM teacher in your area
who is willing to teach outside the guidelines and charge a reasonable
rate. There are enough TM teachers who don't care about going on
courses and who may be willing.

Also, someone here probably has the link to Paul Brown's website and
any interested people ANYWHERE can contact him and he will fly to them
and teach them TM. If you want his e-mail address e-mail me on the
side and I can send it to you. He regularly travels the country (and
Canada) to teach people TM at very reasonable rates.

Ken




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> TM is what counts. It should be offered to those in need
> of its benefits at a sensible price.
> Right now, I am looking at a Samsung computer screen,
> and it is very good. I would recommend it to anyone. 
> However, I have absolutely no view about Samsung's 
> head honcho.
> Uns.
> 
> -There was alot of talk about pricing the Divine Mother and Her
sacred syllables, but how can you put a price on Her without making
her a whore of your own will?





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