[FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
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This is good stuff, turq, and a testimony to how science just keeps looking for answers. A few years ago, all the books I read were praising oxytocin. It's good to hear the other side of the story. BTW, I googled on *activities increase oxytocin* and there were several articles which I skimmed. One placed petting Paris (the dog) at 3 and using social media at 5. Go figure! On Wednesday, April 2, 2014 5:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. :-D On 04/02/2014 03:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. Never pass up a tragedy if it will help you win a religious or political debate. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net wrote: You do know who is famous for using Oxytocin? Rush Limbaugh. :-D On 04/02/2014 03:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Oxytocin the Missing Link in the TM-Not-100%-Beneficial Story?
I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: It's just amazing how much time and energy Barry is putting forth in order to get back at Judy. From 1996 until 2014 is a long time to be focusing on winning a religious debate. Somebody should do a study on what motivates some people to be obsess. Judy is The Corrector, and that's not such a bad thing on a discussion board, but Barry seems to be truly obsessive in a bad way. I'm not even reading his stuff anymore because 99% of it is just an attempt to get back at Judy - stuck record, I guess. It's just amazing the thousands and thousands of words this guy Barry has posted in an effort to get Judy for hurting his feeling. It is truly astounding how many negative message Barry has posted about MMY and TM, WHEN IT'S OBVIOUS IT'S ALL ABOUT JUDY On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:47 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope a few out-of-the-box thinkers here w.r.t. TM and meditation in general have been having fun with the Oxytocin articles and studies I've been posting today. I know I sure have. Here's another one: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2013/10/oxytocin-debunked.html I find all the research I've discovered this morning fascinating, because for me it helps to explain the phenomenon I've witnessed in the TMO and in long-term TM meditators for years. That is, the disconnect they seem to have between their desire to believe what they were told by Maharishi -- TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects -- and the *obvious* contradictions to that they see in front of their own eyes, but somehow find a way to ignore or deny. TMers cling to the 100% positive meme even if they have witnessed with their own eyes people freaking out and entering psychotic states while on long TM courses, or even committing suicide on them. They cling to this meme *even if it's happened to them* (not the suicide part, of course), and they've spent days, weeks, or months in the heavy unstressing groups themselves. What if it all comes down to TM creating elevated Oxytocin levels? High Oxytocin levels would certainly explain the blissninny phenomenon, and why people feel so blissy and good after meditating, especially on long courses, where they're doing a lot of it. It would explain the enhanced affinity they feel for the group (meaning fellow TMers) and the *lack* of affinity (downright disdain and scorn in some cases...see Buck's rants about non-meditators or Nabby's rants about Buddhists) who are NOT in the group. It would explain the extent to which people will perform unethical acts and say untruthful things to protect the group. Who, after all, would smuggle huge sums of cash across international borders just because they were told to do so by the group, or lie to people in intro lectures about TM having no religious connotations *just after attending a 'celebration' in which they had personally invoked the names of Hindu gods and bowed to them* if they *weren't* dosed with some powerful psychotropic chemical? High Oxytocin levels explain the cult apologetics we see as an integral part of how the TMO does business, and why otherwise seemingly sane people go out of their way to participate in untruthful spin out of misplaced loyalty to the group. High Oxytocin levels even explain why some who were latently suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder find those types of behaviors enhanced after long-term practice of TM and begin to act them out. High Oxytocin levels explain the obvious envy present when TMers put down practitioners of other forms of meditation who get more scientific press than TM does, or who find it easier to find new students than they do. I think there is meat here for a real study of the effects of meditation, and how it can seem to produce positive results, but *at the same time* seem to produce other, far less positive results. Of course, no one in the TM movement will ever be willing to undertake such a study, because if it turned out to prove my hypothesis, they'd have disproved one of Maharishi's primary pieces of dogma: TM is 100% life-supporting and has no negative side effects. And y'know...Oxytocin even explains WHY they believe such dogma. Oxytocin increases *trust*, and the willingness to believe what you've been told to believe.
