Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[Dawn maya_moon_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Several of the folks have been arrested; however, some are still at the refuge.
Oregon occupiers’ live video stream shows suspense among holdouts

|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| Oregon occupiers’ live video stream shows suspense among...The capture of its 
top leaders dealt the Ammon Bundy-led occupation of a federal wildlife refuge 
in rural Oregon a serious setback this week, but a few stragglers r... |
|  |
| View on www.yahoo.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |




  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 2:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
   
    Sage Remarks of an Avatar:
I know the American People are much attached to their Government;--I know they 
would suffer much for its sake;--I know they would endure evils long and 
patiently, before they would ever think of exchanging it for another. Yet, 
notwithstanding all this, if the laws be continually despised and disregarded, 
if their rights to be secure in their persons and property, are held by no 
better tenure than the caprice of a mob, the alienation of their affections 
from the Government is the natural consequence; and to that, sooner or later, 
it must come.
Here then, is one point at which danger may be expected.
The question recurs, "how shall we fortify against it?" The answer is simple. 
Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, 
swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, 
the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others. 
As the patriots of seventy-six did to the support of the Declaration of 
Independence, so to the support of the Constitution and Laws, let every 
American pledge his life, his property, and his sacred honor;--let every man 
remember that to violate the law, is to trample on the blood of his father, and 
to tear the character of his own, and his children's liberty. 
Let reverence for the laws, be breathed by every American mother, to the 
lisping babe, that prattles on her lap--let it be taught in schools, in 
seminaries, and in colleges; let it be written in Primers, spelling books, and 
in Almanacs;--let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative 
halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the 
political religion of the nation; and let the old and the young, the rich and 
the poor, the grave and the gay, of all sexes and tongues, and colors and 
conditions, sacrifice unceasingly upon its altars.

While ever a state of feeling, such as this, shall universally, or even, very 
generally prevail throughout the nation, vain will be every effort, and 
fruitless every attempt, to subvert our national freedom.
-An Honest Abraham Speaks


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Isn't this what asocial terrorism hopes for:  
"This has been tearing our community apart," Ward said. "It's time for everyone 
in this illegal occupation to move on. It doesn't have to be bloodshed in our 
community. If we have issues with the way things are going in our government, 
we have a responsibility as citizens to act on them in an appropriate manner. 
We don't arm up and rebel. We work through the appropriate channels."


"If we have issues with the way things are going in our government, we have a 
responsibility as citizens to act on them in an appropriate manner. We don't 
arm up and rebel. We work through the appropriate channels."
the occupiers had been given "ample opportunities" to leave the refuge 
peacefully."Instead, they have chosen to threaten and intimidate the America 
they claim to love," .."This can't happen anymore. This can't happen in 
America, and it can't happen in Harney County."
Oregon Sheriff On Occupation: 'This Can't Happen Anymore'
|  |
|  | |  | Oregon Sheriff On Occupation: 'This Can't H... At a news 
conference a day after several militants were arrested, local and federal law 
enforcement officials called for an end to the armed occupation of a federa... 
|  |
| View on www.npr.org|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Oregon Public Radiohas really good reporting, interviewsand programs on the 
armed occupation of our public lands today. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

Thanks, Emily.Mae, for bringing this article back to the top. I am appreciating 
now the author’s extraction of zealotry in the progression between the provided 
examples of extremism.   This extracted description to the zealotry as the 
zealot in the end drops nicely in to the description of extreme islam or 
extreme TM where personality of rigid religious ideologues, even to be seen 
here 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave 
its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since 
"be...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   


 
























 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

pt to answer such questions must plumb those murky sectors 
of the heart and head that prompt most of us to believe in God -- and compel an 
impassioned few, predictably, to carry that irrational belief to its logical 
end

 

 The zealot may be outwardly motivated by the anticipation of a great reward at 
the other end -- wealth, fame, eternal salvation -- but the real recompense is 
probably the obsession itself Thanks to his (or her) infatuation, existence 
overflows with purpose. Ambiguity vanishes from the fanatic's world view, a 
narcissistic sense of self-assurance displaces all doubt. A delicious rage 
quickens his pulse, fueled by the sins and shortcomings of lesser mortals, who 
are soiling the world wherever he looks. His perspective narrows until the last 
remnants of proportion are shed from his life. Through immoderation, he 
experiences something akin to rapture "
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.ma...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 My daughter is reading the book referenced in this article (Under the Banner 
of Heaven) and made the same parallels.  There are two main branches of 
Mormonismthe "fundamentalists" are a lot farther to the extreme. 

 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy's Militia 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammo... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to 
examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of 
fundam...


 
 View on www.huffingtonpost.com 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Mormonic terrorism on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Oregon Public Radio has really good reporting, interviews
 and programs on the armed occupation 
 of our public lands today. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Thanks, Emily.Mae, for bringing this article back to the top. I am 
appreciating now the author’s extraction of zealotry in the progression between 
the provided examples of extremism.   This extracted description to the 
zealotry as the zealot in the end drops nicely in to the description of extreme 
islam or extreme TM where personality of rigid religious ideologues, even to be 
seen here at the top of TM, take off from a larger normative family of 
practitioners in to flight of of their own fancy.  
 

 From the article:
 

 " Whence did he derive the moral justification? What filled him such 
certitude? Any attempt to answer such questions must plumb those murky sectors 
of the heart and head that prompt most of us to believe in God -- and compel an 
impassioned few, predictably, to carry that irrational belief to its logical 
end

 

 The zealot may be outwardly motivated by the anticipation of a great reward at 
the other end -- wealth, fame, eternal salvation -- but the real recompense is 
probably the obsession itself Thanks to his (or her) infatuation, existence 
overflows with purpose. Ambiguity vanishes from the fanatic's world view, a 
narcissistic sense of self-assurance displaces all doubt. A delicious rage 
quickens his pulse, fueled by the sins and shortcomings of lesser mortals, who 
are soiling the world wherever he looks. His perspective narrows until the last 
remnants of proportion are shed from his life. Through immoderation, he 
experiences something akin to rapture "
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.ma...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 My daughter is reading the book referenced in this article (Under the Banner 
of Heaven) and made the same parallels.  There are two main branches of 
Mormonismthe "fundamentalists" are a lot farther to the extreme. 

 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy's Militia 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammo... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to 
examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of 
fundam...


 
 View on www.huffingtonpost.com 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Mormonic terrorism on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks, Emily.Mae, for bringing this article back to the top. I am appreciating 
now the author’s extraction of zealotry in the progression between the provided 
examples of extremism.   This extracted description to the zealotry as the 
zealot in the end drops nicely in to the description of extreme islam or 
extreme TM where personality of rigid religious ideologues, even to be seen 
here at the top of TM, take off from a larger normative family of practitioners 
in to flight of of their own fancy.  
 

 From the article:
 

 " Whence did he derive the moral justification? What filled him such 
certitude? Any attempt to answer such questions must plumb those murky sectors 
of the heart and head that prompt most of us to believe in God -- and compel an 
impassioned few, predictably, to carry that irrational belief to its logical 
end

 

 The zealot may be outwardly motivated by the anticipation of a great reward at 
the other end -- wealth, fame, eternal salvation -- but the real recompense is 
probably the obsession itself Thanks to his (or her) infatuation, existence 
overflows with purpose. Ambiguity vanishes from the fanatic's world view, a 
narcissistic sense of self-assurance displaces all doubt. A delicious rage 
quickens his pulse, fueled by the sins and shortcomings of lesser mortals, who 
are soiling the world wherever he looks. His perspective narrows until the last 
remnants of proportion are shed from his life. Through immoderation, he 
experiences something akin to rapture "
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <emily.ma...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 My daughter is reading the book referenced in this article (Under the Banner 
of Heaven) and made the same parallels.  There are two main branches of 
Mormonismthe "fundamentalists" are a lot farther to the extreme. 

 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy's Militia 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammo... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to 
examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of 
fundam...


 
 View on www.huffingtonpost.com 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Mormonic terrorism on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My daughter is reading the book referenced in this article (Under the Banner of 
Heaven) and made the same parallels.  There are two main branches of 
Mormonismthe "fundamentalists" are a lot farther to the extreme. 

 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammon Bundy's Militia 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 
 The Fundamentalist Religious Views That Inspired Ammo... 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 To understand the source of the Bundy's self-righteous anger, it's helpful to 
examine their religious views, which are rooted in a maverick strain of 
fundam...
 
 
 
 View on www.huffingtonpost.com 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-krakauer/fundamentalist-religious-ammon-bundy-militia-oregon_b_8931762.html
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Mormonic terrorism on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave 
its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since 
"be...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   


 
























 


 













 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

 Haha, well you're supposedly one of the "spiritual" of FF and you clearly 
think of these occupiers as "wingnuts" and "mad". 
 

 I think they're all fired up in a mistaken notion that they are somehow taking 
a stand for the repressed American people against tyranny of the US Government 
and that they have every right to do whatever the hell they think they should 
do (which, at the moment is to occupy a space which is not theirs with guns 
ready to mow down anyone who cares to try and remove them). I would love to see 
their guns magically turn into Swiffer dusters and see how brave they are. 
Personally, I think they're acting like overgrown children playing out a 
fantasy. I would hit them from above and drop a large load (very large dump) of 
cow shit on their location and follow it up with tear gas. I personally don't 
care if there are women and children there, that's the choice of the women and 
men. I would not involve any force that will kill anyone but I'd certainly make 
it darn uncomfortable for these jokers.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave 
its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since 
"be...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

  

 
 

  


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know...conflicts between ranchers and government have been going on for a 
long time.  There are always competing interests over land and there will 
continue to be.  Just like there are competing interests with respect to 
re-introducing wolves.  You happen to think they're cause is valid and that 
their grievances are genuine; that's your opinion.  The conservationists might 
disagree with you on what is "genuine."   

 They *are* provoking confrontation—how can you say they aren't.  That's funny. 
 I hope you won't feel intimidated when the BLM protesters pull out their 
firearms, legally. :)  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I've gotta bow out...TTYL.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To my knowledge, the ranchers haven't threaten anyone or destroyed 
anything.They say that  the guns are for their own protection. I don't know 
about Oregon but many states, I think 44, have open- carry laws. If Oregon is 
one of them, they are well within their rights to carry fire arms, regardless 
of how someone might be intimidated. Occupy Wall Street was intentionally 
destructive and provoked confrontation, especially with police.  

  The ranchers have genuine grievances that need to be heard by Federal Land 
Management. The ranchers claim that they have had land that they own 
confiscated by the feds and also denied grazing and perhaps water rights that 
they have always had.
  Yeah, I would say there is a big difference in purpose and intent.

 

 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Gee: 1890-95, Americanism; euphemism for Jesus  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> wrote :

 Mormonic terrorism on geee had
 

 


 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:04 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness
 
 
   Doug, meditators don't need to have "a position" on anything, IMHO. We're 
individuals, not clones. And for pete's sake, let's not make the Oregon 
situation about religion. Americans in general are having enough problems 
dealing with how to regard Islam. We don't want to generate a burst of 
Mormonophobia, and it sounds as though that's where you're headed here.
 

 P.S.: The Bundys are Mormons, but others of the occupiers are not, and the 
Mormon church has strongly condemned the occupation.
 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list 
here, how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa 
meditators to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our 
National Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave 
its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since 
"be...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

   


 
























 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Meditators and Militia Madness

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Should meditators have a position on this? So this being a spiritual list here, 
how would you advise a people who are spiritual like Fairfield, Iowa meditators 
to see this situation with the Mormon wingnut occupiers of our National 
Wildlife Refuge? This seems much more than just a civil conflict, but 
ideological spiritual/religious. -JaiGuruYou   
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Reading the news about these Captains Moroni, these occupiers are mixed up 
Mormon wingnuts.  This is not between ranchers and our government.  It is time 
to arrest and arraign these nutcakes for disturbing the peace and otherwise 
breaking the law.  Might also help everyone learn how civil society and the 
constitution works if the Sheriff there would move now to enforce the law.   I 
do not favor these hooligans occupying that place taking away the liberty of my 
access to our National Wildlife Refuge.  
 I am all for peaceful resolution but it is time for the Sheriff there on the 
public's behalf to just move in there and re-open those lands there back up to 
the public.  Just go in and put a direct end to this libertarian Shay's 
rebellion bullshit.  Let the occupiers have their day in court to figure it 
out.   

 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers Are Desecrating Sacred Land 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 
 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 
 Native American Tribe Says Oregon Armed Occupiers A... 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 The Burns Paiute tribe is demanding that the anti-federalist militants leave 
its ancestral lands. Paiute legend says the tribe has lived in this area since 
"be...


 
 View on www.npr.org 
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/06/462179325/native-american-tribe-says-oregon-armed-occupiers-are-desecrating-sacred-land
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

  

 
 

  


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You know...conflicts between ranchers and government have been going on for a 
long time.  There are always competing interests over land and there will 
continue to be.  Just like there are competing interests with respect to 
re-introducing wolves.  You happen to think they're cause is valid and that 
their grievances are genuine; that's your opinion.  The conservationists might 
disagree with you on what is "genuine."   

 They *are* provoking confrontation—how can you say they aren't.  That's funny. 
 I hope you won't feel intimidated when the BLM protesters pull out their 
firearms, legally. :)  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 I've gotta bow out...TTYL.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 To my knowledge, the ranchers haven't threaten anyone or destroyed 
anything.They say that  the guns are for their own protection. I don't know 
about Oregon but many states, I think 44, have open- carry laws. If Oregon is 
one of them, they are well within their rights to carry fire arms, regardless 
of how someone might be intimidated. Occupy Wall Street was intentionally 
destructive and provoked confrontation, especially with police.  

  The ranchers have genuine grievances that need to be heard by Federal Land 
Management. The ranchers claim that they have had land that they own 
confiscated by the feds and also denied grazing and perhaps water rights that 
they have always had.
  Yeah, I would say there is a big difference in purpose and intent.

 

 


 From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Militia Madness
 
 
   I'm  pretty sure that if a group of Occupy Wall Street had shown up 
brandishing firearms and threatening violence with the goal that federal land 
or whatever park they were in should be turned over to the locals to manage, 
the response would have been different. And, if the OR group had amassed a 
march across the wildlife refuge, subjecting the ducks to epithets and throwing 
out threats against the federal government, it would be a different situation 
all-together. The march would likely be over by now, for one. It's the guns 
Mike, in concert with the occupation, that determine, in part, how the response 
is navigated by the authorities.  There is a big difference in purpose and 
intent and means.  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No, the Occupy Wall Street were more primitive. They had pipes and knives, 
lived in garbage and generally were  destructive and several women were raped.