[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. -David, you are hysterical!! Thanks for the laugh. Steve -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are men of your stature and brilliance now that we need you? In this debate the Bible and God are words that are going to be raining down like balloons at a Republican convention. A few facts will puncture those balloons. If a person wants to simply say I do not like abortion. That's fine. That's their opinion and they have a right to it. But when they start using the bible, the church and God to justify their position they do not seem to realize how inane, unhinged and comical they appear. In papal theology they use the phrase the sanctity of life from conception onwards. There is no reference in either the Old or New Testament to the sacredness or sanctity of either human or fetal life. All through the Bible, people are murdered and slaugh- tered by the millions. The lack of sanctity of the fetus is all through the Old Testament. 2 Kings 15 reads: All the women therein that are with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16 reads: The infants shall be dashed to pieces, and those with child ripped up. God tells Moses how to mix a potion for an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31). Deuteronomy 21:8 gives us instructions on how to kill our sons if they are rebellious. Deuteronomy 13 tells us how to kill our wives and children. Jesus shows no concern for fetal life: Blessed are the barren and wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck (Luke 22). Lack of space precludes my listing hundreds of other biblical passages. Pro-life? You've got to be joking. In the Bible, human life begins with breathing, not conception. The Hebrew word to describe a human being is nephesh . . . the breathing one. It occurs 854 times in the Hebrew Bible. The history of the Christian church has never been pro-life. Today, those using the church and the bible for justification of their pro-life position condemn abortion as murder of the unborn, while the church itself has one of the most horrible, unjust and cruel murder records in the history of our species, of both the born and unborn. Millions slaughtered by instruments that stagger the human mind. If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are men of your stature and brilliance now that we need you? Some of them were too busy raping their slaves (of which there are modern descendents), and others were too busy worrying that Britain, under its free parlimentary system, was moving quickly to outlaw slavery in Britain, with several court cases in London(before US even existed). The others were busy land-grabbing while British soldiers died defending them from the tyrannical Papist regimes of France and Spain, since Britain had emphatically outlawed discriminating against religions, and were busy fighting the forces of the world that wanted tyrannical catholic rule, and would have destroyed US if it was not for British soldiers dying to save their criminal asses. No wonder, MANY of the 'greatest generation' in Britain had no respect for the 'the Yanks' and expressed it openly when I was younger, because the British working folks had a collective memory of that traitorous event and the US joining with the French Papist regime to fight Britain (a war which Britain ultimately won against the French and Spanish, saving America and Europe and laying the ground for the progressive place it was to become) (plus, the most common comment from the WWII generation in Britain was: The bloody yanks only came into WWII after all the hard stuff was done In this debate the Bible and God are words that are going to be raining down like balloons at a Republican convention. A few facts will puncture those balloons. If a person wants to simply say I do not like abortion. That's fine. Ron Paul does not like abortion. He says it should be decided by the states, which everyone knows only a couple of redneck states would outlaw, and therefore a brain drain would occur from those states, plus people could get abortions anyway. All this is simply to try to re-energise their Christian Talibanesque base, but never to act on this rethoric. OffWorld That's their opinion and they have a right to it. But when they start using the bible, the church and God to justify their position they do not seem to realize how inane, unhinged and comical they appear. In papal theology they use the phrase the sanctity of life from conception onwards. There is no reference in either the Old or New Testament to the sacredness or sanctity of either human or fetal life. All through the Bible, people are murdered and slaugh- tered by the millions. The lack of sanctity of the fetus is all through the Old Testament. 2 Kings 15 reads: All the women therein that are with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16 reads: The infants shall be dashed to pieces, and those with child ripped up. God tells Moses how to mix a potion for an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31). Deuteronomy 21:8 gives us instructions on how to kill our sons if they are rebellious. Deuteronomy 13 tells us how to kill our wives and children. Jesus shows no concern for fetal life: Blessed are the barren and wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck (Luke 22). Lack of space precludes my listing hundreds of other biblical passages. Pro-life? You've got to be joking. In the Bible, human life begins with breathing, not conception. The Hebrew word to describe a human being is nephesh . . . the breathing one. It occurs 854 times in the Hebrew Bible. The history of the Christian church has never been pro-life. Today, those using the church and the bible for justification of their pro-life position condemn abortion as murder of the unborn, while the church itself has one of the most horrible, unjust and cruel murder records in the history of our species, of both the born and unborn. Millions slaughtered by instruments that stagger the human mind. If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. -David, you are hysterical!! Thanks for the laugh. Steve -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are men of your stature and brilliance now that we need you? In this debate the Bible and God are words that are going to be raining down like balloons at a Republican convention. A few facts will puncture those balloons. If a person wants to simply say I do not like abortion. That's fine. That's their opinion and they have a right to it. But when they start using the bible, the church and God to justify their position they do not seem to realize how inane, unhinged and comical they appear. In papal theology they use the phrase the sanctity of life from conception onwards. There is no reference in either the Old or New Testament to the sacredness or sanctity of either human or fetal life. All through the Bible, people are murdered and slaugh- tered by the millions. The lack of sanctity of the fetus is all through the Old Testament. 2 Kings 15 reads: All the women therein that are with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16 reads: The infants shall be dashed to pieces, and those with child ripped up. God tells Moses how to mix a potion for an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31). Deuteronomy 21:8 gives us instructions on how to kill our sons if they are rebellious. Deuteronomy 13 tells us how to kill our wives and children. Jesus shows no concern for fetal life: Blessed are the barren and wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck (Luke 22). Lack of space precludes my listing hundreds of other biblical passages. Pro-life? You've got to be joking. In the Bible, human life begins with breathing, not conception. The Hebrew word to describe a human being is nephesh . . . the breathing one. It occurs 854 times in the Hebrew Bible. The history of the Christian church has never been pro-life. Today, those using the church and the bible for justification of their pro-life position condemn abortion as murder of the unborn, while the church itself has one of the most horrible, unjust and cruel murder records in the history of our species, of both the born and unborn. Millions slaughtered by instruments that stagger the human mind. If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. Steve, I didn't state it. Edelen did. That was his essay. I just posted the article. Peace, David
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
Congratulations, sgrayatlarge, as this post of your's was #150,000 on FFL. The Corvette Stingray you've won can be redeemed at Rick Archer's home this Saturday between 9am and 5pm. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. -David, you are hysterical!! Thanks for the laugh. Steve -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are men of your stature and brilliance now that we need you? In this debate the Bible and God are words that are going to be raining down like balloons at a Republican convention. A few facts will puncture those balloons. If a person wants to simply say I do not like abortion. That's fine. That's their opinion and they have a right to it. But when they start using the bible, the church and God to justify their position they do not seem to realize how inane, unhinged and comical they appear. In papal theology they use the phrase the sanctity of life from conception onwards. There is no reference in either the Old or New Testament to the sacredness or sanctity of either human or fetal life. All through the Bible, people are murdered and slaugh- tered by the millions. The lack of sanctity of the fetus is all through the Old Testament. 2 Kings 15 reads: All the women therein that are with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16 reads: The infants shall be dashed to pieces, and those with child ripped up. God tells Moses how to mix a potion for an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31). Deuteronomy 21:8 gives us instructions on how to kill our sons if they are rebellious. Deuteronomy 13 tells us how to kill our wives and children. Jesus shows no concern for fetal life: Blessed are the barren and wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck (Luke 22). Lack of space precludes my listing hundreds of other biblical passages. Pro-life? You've got to be joking. In the Bible, human life begins with breathing, not conception. The Hebrew word to describe a human being is nephesh . . . the breathing one. It occurs 854 times in the Hebrew Bible. The history of the Christian church has never been pro-life. Today, those using the church and the bible for justification of their pro-life position condemn abortion as murder of the unborn, while the church itself has one of the most horrible, unjust and cruel murder records in the history of our species, of both the born and unborn. Millions slaughtered by instruments that stagger the human mind. If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations, sgrayatlarge, as this post of your's was #150,000 on FFL. The Corvette Stingray you've won can be redeemed at Rick Archer's home this Saturday between 9am and 5pm. Uh, I just read the fine print on our contest, and its a full color *poster* of a Corvette Stingray. Still free, though framing is extra.:- )
[FairfieldLife] Re: Abortion - By William Edelen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Am I missing something here? Normally when I post an article that has a strong bias like this one and after reading your previous posts, I would assume that you are in line with Mr. Edelen thinking, hence the laugh. I wonder what he would say about Krishna telling Arjuna he should fight and kill his relatives? See how silly that sounds? He is saying the same thing in his silly article. Oh right, he will never comment on that sort of thing. Also since it seems that Edelen doesn't like this mixing of religion and politics, he probably abhors what religious Buddhist monks are doing in Burma, mixing religion and politics. Oh right, he will never comment on that. Btw, I am in favor of the Buddhist monks and if a religious republican wants to throw in his/her beliefs and values in the political debate, free speech cuts both ways. Tolerance cuts both ways. Peace, Steve p.s. Someone say something about a Corvette??!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge no_reply@ wrote: David states: If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. -David, you are hysterical!! Thanks for the laugh. Steve -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, oneradiantbeing oneradiantbeing@ wrote: Abortion, by William Edelen, (Taken from: www.williamedelen.com) The Republican National Committee, the big shots, are meeting. Do you know what they are going to debate? A proposed abortion litmus test for all Republican candidates. My gawd! Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, John Adams, where are men of your stature and brilliance now that we need you? In this debate the Bible and God are words that are going to be raining down like balloons at a Republican convention. A few facts will puncture those balloons. If a person wants to simply say I do not like abortion. That's fine. That's their opinion and they have a right to it. But when they start using the bible, the church and God to justify their position they do not seem to realize how inane, unhinged and comical they appear. In papal theology they use the phrase the sanctity of life from conception onwards. There is no reference in either the Old or New Testament to the sacredness or sanctity of either human or fetal life. All through the Bible, people are murdered and slaugh- tered by the millions. The lack of sanctity of the fetus is all through the Old Testament. 2 Kings 15 reads: All the women therein that are with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16 reads: The infants shall be dashed to pieces, and those with child ripped up. God tells Moses how to mix a potion for an abortion if a man's wife has become pregnant by another man (Numbers 5:11-31). Deuteronomy 21:8 gives us instructions on how to kill our sons if they are rebellious. Deuteronomy 13 tells us how to kill our wives and children. Jesus shows no concern for fetal life: Blessed are the barren and wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never gave suck (Luke 22). Lack of space precludes my listing hundreds of other biblical passages. Pro-life? You've got to be joking. In the Bible, human life begins with breathing, not conception. The Hebrew word to describe a human being is nephesh . . . the breathing one. It occurs 854 times in the Hebrew Bible. The history of the Christian church has never been pro-life. Today, those using the church and the bible for justification of their pro-life position condemn abortion as murder of the unborn, while the church itself has one of the most horrible, unjust and cruel murder records in the history of our species, of both the born and unborn. Millions slaughtered by instruments that stagger the human mind. If the Republicans want to simply say I am against abortion and let it go at that, fine. But in the name of all that is truth and all that is sacred, let them stop using the blood soaked hands of Moses, the Bible and the church for their justification. Steve, I didn't state it. Edelen did. That was his essay. I just posted the article. Peace, David
