[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Robert]

 (snip)
 Humans are the only species capable of inter-tribal co-operation.  No 
other species on this planet do it.  If two groups of Chimps meet it's bloody 
and savage war.  If two herds of elephants meet they fight till one group 
chases away the other.
>(snip)

So, what about the 'Reich Wing Christian Chimps...
How does one get along with those chimps?

How can you relate with these chimps...that play with their own feces...

R.G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Jason]

  I think I had an argument about religion with BillyG.  I came across an 
article in which Sociologists tried to figure out the purpose of religion.  
I'll post it later.

  Scientists say that the evolutionary purpose of religion is to promote 
inter-tribal co-operation.  A standardised set of beliefs, a standardised set 
of rituals, customs etc etc, Cooperation between tribes becomes possible over 
vast geographical distances.

  Humans are the only species capable of inter-tribal co-operation.  No 
other species on this planet do it.  If two groups of Chimps meet it's bloody 
and savage war.  If two herds of elephants meet they fight till one group 
chases away the other.

  Most tribes on earth started gravitating towards a major religion because 
they figured out that they could survive better, with better cooperation with 
other tribes


--- On Sun, 9/20/09, TurquoiseB  wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, 
homosexuals
Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 10:30 AM

 
So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
a right to believe in something that you don't
as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
puts it in your face where you have to deal 
with it, as if he believed something different 
than you believe. 

White of you.

If you meant something else, please explain.
 
 
--- "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
 
> And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others wants 
> to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be alowed to do so?
> 
> Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
> potential employer, he should have the right to do so.
> 
> Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of discrimination 
> in most charter of rights. "Religion" is but that applies more to the outward 
> expressions of religious belief (ie, wearing a yarmulke or hajib) than it is 
> to what one's inner beliefs are (which one can't discern by looking at 
> someone).


 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > >
> > > ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > > > capitalism is as good and as pure as the driven snow as it always was.  
> > > 
> > > What other deranged opinion would we expect from Shemp.  Capitalism 
> > > breeds inequality, greed and corruption.  It works okay in small 
> > > populations but we haven't seen that in centuries.  In mass populations 
> > > people "game" the system due to their own greed.  That has to be 
> > > stopped!  The "free market" is a joke and doesn't work.  There's a good 
> > > reason business types are the third rung of the Indian caste system.
> > 
> > 
> > BINGO !
> > 
> > "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> > - Maharishi, 1989
> >
> 
> 
> Perhaps Maharishi and the Movement would have served the cause of helping 
> capitalism "go" by not accepting any donations from money made from 
> capitalism.
> 
> Do you think they'll do that, Nabby?
> 
> If not, please shut the fuck up.

Maharishi used the tools that was available, one of them was capitalism which 
He saw as a major obstacle to achieve the Age Of Enlightenment. 

You're just an angry fool; you only see the flow of money and Chandas, not the 
long-time strategies. You never really understood who Maharishi was or what His 
Mission was anyway.

"Communism is the most intelligent political system"
-Maharishi, Germany, 1982

And now, thanks to Maharishi, capitalism as we know it is slowly leaving this 
Planet. Probably for all times to come.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > > capitalism is as good and as pure as the driven snow as it always was.  
> > 
> > What other deranged opinion would we expect from Shemp.  Capitalism 
> > breeds inequality, greed and corruption.  It works okay in small 
> > populations but we haven't seen that in centuries.  In mass populations 
> > people "game" the system due to their own greed.  That has to be 
> > stopped!  The "free market" is a joke and doesn't work.  There's a good 
> > reason business types are the third rung of the Indian caste system.
> 
> 
> BINGO !
> 
> "Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
> - Maharishi, 1989
>


Perhaps Maharishi and the Movement would have served the cause of helping 
capitalism "go" by not accepting any donations from money made from capitalism.

Do you think they'll do that, Nabby?

If not, please shut the fuck up.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> ShempMcGurk wrote:
> > capitalism is as good and as pure as the driven snow as it always was.  
> 
> What other deranged opinion would we expect from Shemp.  Capitalism 
> breeds inequality, greed and corruption.  It works okay in small 
> populations but we haven't seen that in centuries.  In mass populations 
> people "game" the system due to their own greed.  That has to be 
> stopped!  The "free market" is a joke and doesn't work.  There's a good 
> reason business types are the third rung of the Indian caste system.


BINGO !

"Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
- Maharishi, 1989

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert G."  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > > > > > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> > > > > can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> > > > > "...especially on commission."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Am I the only person here who suspects that
> > > > > a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> > > > > lately is due to "working on commission" 
> > > > > in an economy that literally "trickles 
> > > > > down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> > > > > worshipeth?
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I must tell you that the line of work I'm in is ZERO affected by the 
> > > > recent economic crisis.  If anything, some of the products that I offer 
> > > > are FLOURISHING in this type of economy (they offer guaranteed benefits 
> > > > that are not subject to the whims of the marketplace, as do stock-based 
> > > > investments).
> > > > 
> > > > My personal financial "mess" is 100% my own doing and has nothing to do 
> > > > with the current state of the economy; capitalism is as good and as 
> > > > pure as the driven snow as it always was.  If you must know, I indulged 
> > > > myself in activities that were NOT conducive to making money -- which I 
> > > > should have been doing -- and, as a result, I got sidetracked.  And now 
> > > > I'm not sitting pretty.
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps when I am homeless (as I well may be in the near future) I will 
> > > > join you and live off your largess in Spain.
> > > > 
> > > > As long as you let me do TM twice a day.  Otherwise I would prefer to 
> > > > live in the dumpster.
> > > >
> > > Could you lend me some money, Shemp?
> > > Please...?
> > >
> > 
> > Funny, I was going to ask you the same thing...
> > 
> > (actually, that's the best thing to ask a panhander.  If you see one 
> > approaching, ask THEM for money before they get the chance to ask you...)
> >
> That's a good one, Shemp...I'll have to try that!
> 
> I do think there's an art to panhandling, like anything else, in life...
> One time, I was down at the southern tip of Mexico, in a small town, named: 
> Chetumal...
> They tell me it's where Columbus first landed on the mainland, and started 
> intermingling with the natives...(I think they must have been talking sex, 
> think?)
> Anyway, there was this older looking gentleman, in the bus station, 
> there...he had a very peaceful presence...kind of a spiritual vibe...around 
> him...very humble and simply dressed...
> One felt like giving him money, when he asked...
> I watched him, and saw him pull out a 'wad of bills'...
> It seems he's got the art of panhandling down to an art!
> 
> Roberto G.
>


A man walked out of a casino and there, at the side of the entrance, was a 
panhandler asking for money for a cup of coffee.  So the man very graciously 
reached in for some spare change to give the panhandler but just as he was 
about to hand over the change, he said to him: "Now, you're not going to take 
this money and go gambling with it, are you?"
At that, the panhandler pulled out a wad of $100 bills and said to the man: 
"Oh, no, I've got gambling money."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Bhairitu]

ShempMcGurk wrote:
> capitalism is as good and as pure as the driven snow as it always was.  

What other deranged opinion would we expect from Shemp.  Capitalism 
breeds inequality, greed and corruption.  It works okay in small 
populations but we haven't seen that in centuries.  In mass populations 
people "game" the system due to their own greed.  That has to be 
stopped!  The "free market" is a joke and doesn't work.  There's a good 
reason business types are the third rung of the Indian caste system.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[babajii_99]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert G."  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > > > > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> > > > 
> > > > Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> > > > can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> > > > "...especially on commission."
> > > > 
> > > > Am I the only person here who suspects that
> > > > a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> > > > lately is due to "working on commission" 
> > > > in an economy that literally "trickles 
> > > > down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> > > > worshipeth?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I must tell you that the line of work I'm in is ZERO affected by the 
> > > recent economic crisis.  If anything, some of the products that I offer 
> > > are FLOURISHING in this type of economy (they offer guaranteed benefits 
> > > that are not subject to the whims of the marketplace, as do stock-based 
> > > investments).
> > > 
> > > My personal financial "mess" is 100% my own doing and has nothing to do 
> > > with the current state of the economy; capitalism is as good and as pure 
> > > as the driven snow as it always was.  If you must know, I indulged myself 
> > > in activities that were NOT conducive to making money -- which I should 
> > > have been doing -- and, as a result, I got sidetracked.  And now I'm not 
> > > sitting pretty.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps when I am homeless (as I well may be in the near future) I will 
> > > join you and live off your largess in Spain.
> > > 
> > > As long as you let me do TM twice a day.  Otherwise I would prefer to 
> > > live in the dumpster.
> > >
> > Could you lend me some money, Shemp?
> > Please...?
> >
> 
> Funny, I was going to ask you the same thing...
> 
> (actually, that's the best thing to ask a panhander.  If you see one 
> approaching, ask THEM for money before they get the chance to ask you...)
>
That's a good one, Shemp...I'll have to try that!

I do think there's an art to panhandling, like anything else, in life...
One time, I was down at the southern tip of Mexico, in a small town, named: 
Chetumal...
They tell me it's where Columbus first landed on the mainland, and started 
intermingling with the natives...(I think they must have been talking sex, 
think?)
Anyway, there was this older looking gentleman, in the bus station, there...he 
had a very peaceful presence...kind of a spiritual vibe...around him...very 
humble and simply dressed...
One felt like giving him money, when he asked...
I watched him, and saw him pull out a 'wad of bills'...
It seems he's got the art of panhandling down to an art!

Roberto G.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Judy Stein]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> 
> Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> "...especially on commission."
> 
> Am I the only person here who suspects that
> a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> lately is due to "working on commission" 
> in an economy that literally "trickles 
> down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> worshipeth?

I haven't noticed any more "angst and anger" in
Shemp's posts lately than before, all the way
back to alt.m.t. Look at how he replied to the
do.rkflex's nitwit insult on which Barry has
piggybacked.

He did share with us awhile ago that he was
having some emotional difficulties, but they
don't seem to have leaked into his posts on
other topics.

Am I the only person here who suspects that
Barry's thoroughly gratuitous and irrelevant
attack on Shemp here is due to frustration at
his lack of success in the fights he just
picked with Shemp over TM and atheism?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert G."  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > > > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> > > 
> > > Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> > > can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> > > "...especially on commission."
> > > 
> > > Am I the only person here who suspects that
> > > a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> > > lately is due to "working on commission" 
> > > in an economy that literally "trickles 
> > > down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> > > worshipeth?
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > I must tell you that the line of work I'm in is ZERO affected by the recent 
> > economic crisis.  If anything, some of the products that I offer are 
> > FLOURISHING in this type of economy (they offer guaranteed benefits that 
> > are not subject to the whims of the marketplace, as do stock-based 
> > investments).
> > 
> > My personal financial "mess" is 100% my own doing and has nothing to do 
> > with the current state of the economy; capitalism is as good and as pure as 
> > the driven snow as it always was.  If you must know, I indulged myself in 
> > activities that were NOT conducive to making money -- which I should have 
> > been doing -- and, as a result, I got sidetracked.  And now I'm not sitting 
> > pretty.
> > 
> > Perhaps when I am homeless (as I well may be in the near future) I will 
> > join you and live off your largess in Spain.
> > 
> > As long as you let me do TM twice a day.  Otherwise I would prefer to live 
> > in the dumpster.
> >
> Could you lend me some money, Shemp?
> Please...?
>

Funny, I was going to ask you the same thing...

(actually, that's the best thing to ask a panhander.  If you see one 
approaching, ask THEM for money before they get the chance to ask you...)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Robert G.]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> > 
> > Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> > can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> > "...especially on commission."
> > 
> > Am I the only person here who suspects that
> > a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> > lately is due to "working on commission" 
> > in an economy that literally "trickles 
> > down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> > worshipeth?
> >
> 
> 
> I must tell you that the line of work I'm in is ZERO affected by the recent 
> economic crisis.  If anything, some of the products that I offer are 
> FLOURISHING in this type of economy (they offer guaranteed benefits that are 
> not subject to the whims of the marketplace, as do stock-based investments).
> 
> My personal financial "mess" is 100% my own doing and has nothing to do with 
> the current state of the economy; capitalism is as good and as pure as the 
> driven snow as it always was.  If you must know, I indulged myself in 
> activities that were NOT conducive to making money -- which I should have 
> been doing -- and, as a result, I got sidetracked.  And now I'm not sitting 
> pretty.
> 
> Perhaps when I am homeless (as I well may be in the near future) I will join 
> you and live off your largess in Spain.
> 
> As long as you let me do TM twice a day.  Otherwise I would prefer to live in 
> the dumpster.
>
Could you lend me some money, Shemp?
Please...?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> > work for someone like you, Shremp.
> 
> Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
> can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
> "...especially on commission."
> 
> Am I the only person here who suspects that
> a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
> lately is due to "working on commission" 
> in an economy that literally "trickles 
> down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
> worshipeth?
>


I must tell you that the line of work I'm in is ZERO affected by the recent 
economic crisis.  If anything, some of the products that I offer are 
FLOURISHING in this type of economy (they offer guaranteed benefits that are 
not subject to the whims of the marketplace, as do stock-based investments).

My personal financial "mess" is 100% my own doing and has nothing to do with 
the current state of the economy; capitalism is as good and as pure as the 
driven snow as it always was.  If you must know, I indulged myself in 
activities that were NOT conducive to making money -- which I should have been 
doing -- and, as a result, I got sidetracked.  And now I'm not sitting pretty.

Perhaps when I am homeless (as I well may be in the near future) I will join 
you and live off your largess in Spain.

As long as you let me do TM twice a day.  Otherwise I would prefer to live in 
the dumpster.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[Robert G.]

 (snip)
> > > But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.
> > > 
> > > Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based 
> > > upon such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be 
> > > intolerant or prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on basic 
> > > fundamentals about life?
 (snip)
Here's an interesting 'take' for you!

Now, we all know that Ronald Reagan, is the one hero, the Republicans, seem to 
be obsessed with...the 'Good Ol' Days, for them...
He was a 'Very Holy Christian Man' to them...
One time, I visited the house, where he grew up, in Dixon, IL...
They had it all fixed up, real nice...looked like a typical Midwestern house, 
not any different from a house in Fairfield...
Up stairs, in his parents room, they had a Bible, by the bed, opened to a page, 
which I could not see
The lady that was giving the tour...her breath, was so bad, as could knock a 
buzzard, off a sh_t wagon...
Anyway, this guy, passed more legislation against poor people, while attempting 
to dismantle anything, resembling help for the poor...
He actually had more of a 'Corporatist Fascist attitude, and many of his 
policies, were privatized by the recent Emperor Bush...

In the meantime, Reagan's son, Ron, has a very successful career, on the radio, 
and I listen to him on 'Air America' , frequently...
He is an avowed atheist, and has even started an organization, to keep 
religion, from being forced down our throats...
The irony is, that he is much more of a spiritual and authentic person, than 
his father, could ever dream, of being...
It's almost an A.A...thing...find it yourself, become a seeker of truth, your 
truth, not someone else's, truth, but one you can 'Own'...
Where there is not religion, prescribed, per se...
But the impetus to find, you 'Own Higher Power'...

So, in conclusion, I would just say, that organized religion, and the  
so-called belief in 'God', is a very superficial way of looking into a person's 
soul intentions...
One can profess to be 'Religious', and be a total Nazi, in reality...
One can be a fantastic actor, with lot's of experience, and have as much 
authenticity, and honesty as Bernie Madoff...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to 
> work for someone like you, Shremp.

Not to "pile on" unnecessarily (but I 
can't help it), I have to add the phrase, 
"...especially on commission."

Am I the only person here who suspects that
a great deal of Shemp's angst and anger 
lately is due to "working on commission" 
in an economy that literally "trickles 
down" on the very God Of Capitalism he
worshipeth?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
> > > > > a right to believe in something that you don't
> > > > > as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
> > > > > puts it in your face where you have to deal 
> > > > > with it, as if he believed something different 
> > > > > than you believe. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > White of you.
> > > > 
> > > > No, actually, very WHITE of you, Barry.
> > > > 
> > > > I reserve the right to not hire racists, KKKers, and Nazis.
> > > > 
> > > > You, apparently, want to force me to hire them.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Shemp, I don't mean to get in your face any more
> > > than I am obviously doing, but...duh...do you even
> > > *realize* that you have just equated racists, KKKers,
> > > and Nazis with atheists?
> > > 
> > > That's why I posted the original article that started
> > > this thread. 
> > > 
> > > Bigots don't realize how bigoted they are.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, I am equating "atheists" with racists, KKKer, and Nazis.
> > 
> > Someone who is as "in your face" with their atheism as racists, KKKers and 
> > Nazis tend to be would be incredibly offensive to, I assume, certain pious 
> > individuals.  
> > 
> > It isn't for me, but it may be for some individuals.
> > 
> > And, yes, that can and should be a basis for discrimination.
> > 
> > Tell me, Barry, would you hire a KKKer who came to your place of business 
> > everyday dressed in white sheets?
> > 
> > I wouldn't.
> > 
> > I would hire an atheist in an instance even if he wore a big, fat Tee Shirt 
> > with the words "God sucks" if he did a good enough job.  But I do not 
> > begrudge the pious religionist who would be "having kitten" being around 
> > such an individual 9 to 5 each day who, on that basis, did not hire that 
> > person.
> > 
> 
> 
> I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to work for someone 
> like you, Shremp.
>


You might be on to something.

Hey, as Groucho said: "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have 
me as a member".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
> > > > a right to believe in something that you don't
> > > > as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
> > > > puts it in your face where you have to deal 
> > > > with it, as if he believed something different 
> > > > than you believe. 
> > > > 
> > > > White of you.
> > > 
> > > No, actually, very WHITE of you, Barry.
> > > 
> > > I reserve the right to not hire racists, KKKers, and Nazis.
> > > 
> > > You, apparently, want to force me to hire them.
> > 
> > 
> > Shemp, I don't mean to get in your face any more
> > than I am obviously doing, but...duh...do you even
> > *realize* that you have just equated racists, KKKers,
> > and Nazis with atheists?
> > 
> > That's why I posted the original article that started
> > this thread. 
> > 
> > Bigots don't realize how bigoted they are.
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I am equating "atheists" with racists, KKKer, and Nazis.
> 
> Someone who is as "in your face" with their atheism as racists, KKKers and 
> Nazis tend to be would be incredibly offensive to, I assume, certain pious 
> individuals.  
> 
> It isn't for me, but it may be for some individuals.
> 
> And, yes, that can and should be a basis for discrimination.
> 
> Tell me, Barry, would you hire a KKKer who came to your place of business 
> everyday dressed in white sheets?
> 
> I wouldn't.
> 
> I would hire an atheist in an instance even if he wore a big, fat Tee Shirt 
> with the words "God sucks" if he did a good enough job.  But I do not 
> begrudge the pious religionist who would be "having kitten" being around such 
> an individual 9 to 5 each day who, on that basis, did not hire that person.
> 


I'd question anyone's judgment who would actually WANT to work for someone like 
you, Shremp.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
> > > a right to believe in something that you don't
> > > as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
> > > puts it in your face where you have to deal 
> > > with it, as if he believed something different 
> > > than you believe. 
> > > 
> > > White of you.
> > 
> > No, actually, very WHITE of you, Barry.
> > 
> > I reserve the right to not hire racists, KKKers, and Nazis.
> > 
> > You, apparently, want to force me to hire them.
> 
> 
> Shemp, I don't mean to get in your face any more
> than I am obviously doing, but...duh...do you even
> *realize* that you have just equated racists, KKKers,
> and Nazis with atheists?
> 
> That's why I posted the original article that started
> this thread. 
> 
> Bigots don't realize how bigoted they are.
> 



Yes, I am equating "atheists" with racists, KKKer, and Nazis.

Someone who is as "in your face" with their atheism as racists, KKKers and 
Nazis tend to be would be incredibly offensive to, I assume, certain pious 
individuals.  

It isn't for me, but it may be for some individuals.

And, yes, that can and should be a basis for discrimination.

Tell me, Barry, would you hire a KKKer who came to your place of business 
everyday dressed in white sheets?

I wouldn't.

I would hire an atheist in an instance even if he wore a big, fat Tee Shirt 
with the words "God sucks" if he did a good enough job.  But I do not begrudge 
the pious religionist who would be "having kitten" being around such an 
individual 9 to 5 each day who, on that basis, did not hire that person.




> 
> > > If you meant something else, please explain.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a problem lumping "atheists" in with some of the other 
> > > > identifiable groups such as "whites" or "homosexuals".
> > > > 
> > > > One's skin color is not a choice that one makes. And, the argument can 
> > > > be make, neither is one's sexual persuasion.
> > > > 
> > > > But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.
> > > > 
> > > > Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based 
> > > > upon such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be 
> > > > intolerant or prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on 
> > > > basic fundamentals about life?
> > > > 
> > > > We as free humans do this all the time at any point during a 24-hour 
> > > > period.
> > > > 
> > > > If someone comes to my place of business (assuming I were a boss and 
> > > > had a place of business) dressed up in Nazi regalia asking to fill the 
> > > > position of accountant, I'm simply not going to give him the position 
> > > > regardless of how great a numbers-cruncher he may be.
> > > > 
> > > > Is this not an "intolerance" that any of us would find understandable 
> > > > and acceptable...and perhaps even admirable?
> > > > 
> > > > And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others 
> > > > wants to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be 
> > > > alowed to do so?
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
> > > > potential employer, he should have the right to do so.
> > > > 
> > > > Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of 
> > > > discrimination in most charter of rights.  "Religion" is but that 
> > > > applies more to the outward expressions of religious belief (ie, 
> > > > wearing a yarmulke or hajib) than it is to what one's inner beliefs are 
> > > > (which one can't discern by looking at someone).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Emphasis below is mine
> > > > > Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
> > > > > By Ole Ole Olson 
> > > > > 
> > > > > NEWS JUNKIE POST
> > > > > 
> > > > >   [atheist-symbol-altered-03a] 
> > > > >  > > > > ered-03a.png>
> > > > > 
> > > > > Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that 
> > > > > are
> > > > > subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> > > > > atheists. Research
> > > > >  > > > > >  conducted a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota in
> > > > > Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims or
> > > > > homosexuals in the US.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Austin Cline
> > > > > 
> > > > > from about.com writes, "Every single study that has ever looked at
> > > > > 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
> > a right to believe in something that you don't
> > as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
> > puts it in your face where you have to deal 
> > with it, as if he believed something different 
> > than you believe. 
> > 
> > White of you.
> 
> No, actually, very WHITE of you, Barry.
> 
> I reserve the right to not hire racists, KKKers, and Nazis.
> 
> You, apparently, want to force me to hire them.


Shemp, I don't mean to get in your face any more
than I am obviously doing, but...duh...do you even
*realize* that you have just equated racists, KKKers,
and Nazis with atheists?

That's why I posted the original article that started
this thread. 

Bigots don't realize how bigoted they are.


> > If you meant something else, please explain.
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a problem lumping "atheists" in with some of the other 
> > > identifiable groups such as "whites" or "homosexuals".
> > > 
> > > One's skin color is not a choice that one makes. And, the argument can be 
> > > make, neither is one's sexual persuasion.
> > > 
> > > But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.
> > > 
> > > Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based 
> > > upon such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be 
> > > intolerant or prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on basic 
> > > fundamentals about life?
> > > 
> > > We as free humans do this all the time at any point during a 24-hour 
> > > period.
> > > 
> > > If someone comes to my place of business (assuming I were a boss and had 
> > > a place of business) dressed up in Nazi regalia asking to fill the 
> > > position of accountant, I'm simply not going to give him the position 
> > > regardless of how great a numbers-cruncher he may be.
> > > 
> > > Is this not an "intolerance" that any of us would find understandable and 
> > > acceptable...and perhaps even admirable?
> > > 
> > > And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others 
> > > wants to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be alowed 
> > > to do so?
> > > 
> > > Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
> > > potential employer, he should have the right to do so.
> > > 
> > > Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of 
> > > discrimination in most charter of rights.  "Religion" is but that applies 
> > > more to the outward expressions of religious belief (ie, wearing a 
> > > yarmulke or hajib) than it is to what one's inner beliefs are (which one 
> > > can't discern by looking at someone).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Emphasis below is mine
> > > > Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
> > > > By Ole Ole Olson 
> > > > 
> > > > NEWS JUNKIE POST
> > > > 
> > > >   [atheist-symbol-altered-03a] 
> > > >  > > > ered-03a.png>
> > > > 
> > > > Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
> > > > subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> > > > atheists. Research
> > > >  > > > >  conducted a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota in
> > > > Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims or
> > > > homosexuals in the US.
> > > > 
> > > > Austin Cline
> > > > 
> > > > from about.com writes, "Every single study that has ever looked at
> > > > the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
> > > > atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
> > > > distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is
> > > > the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential
> > > > election. It's not just that atheists are hated, though, but also
> > > > that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which
> > > > Americans dislike or fear.
> > > > 
> > > > The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota,
> > > > which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent
> > > > immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing
> > > > their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority
> > > > group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
> > > > marry." The results from two of the most important questions"
> > > > 
> > > > This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society…
> > > > Atheist: 39.6%

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
> a right to believe in something that you don't
> as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
> puts it in your face where you have to deal 
> with it, as if he believed something different 
> than you believe. 
> 
> White of you.


No, actually, very WHITE of you, Barry.

I reserve the right to not hire racists, KKKers, and Nazis.

You, apparently, want to force me to hire them.


> 
> If you meant something else, please explain.
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > I have a problem lumping "atheists" in with some of the other identifiable 
> > groups such as "whites" or "homosexuals".
> > 
> > One's skin color is not a choice that one makes. And, the argument can be 
> > make, neither is one's sexual persuasion.
> > 
> > But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.
> > 
> > Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based upon 
> > such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be intolerant or 
> > prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on basic fundamentals 
> > about life?
> > 
> > We as free humans do this all the time at any point during a 24-hour period.
> > 
> > If someone comes to my place of business (assuming I were a boss and had a 
> > place of business) dressed up in Nazi regalia asking to fill the position 
> > of accountant, I'm simply not going to give him the position regardless of 
> > how great a numbers-cruncher he may be.
> > 
> > Is this not an "intolerance" that any of us would find understandable and 
> > acceptable...and perhaps even admirable?
> > 
> > And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others 
> > wants to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be alowed to 
> > do so?
> > 
> > Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
> > potential employer, he should have the right to do so.
> > 
> > Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of discrimination 
> > in most charter of rights.  "Religion" is but that applies more to the 
> > outward expressions of religious belief (ie, wearing a yarmulke or hajib) 
> > than it is to what one's inner beliefs are (which one can't discern by 
> > looking at someone).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Emphasis below is mine
> > > Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
> > > By Ole Ole Olson 
> > > 
> > > NEWS JUNKIE POST
> > > 
> > >   [atheist-symbol-altered-03a] 
> > >  > > ered-03a.png>
> > > 
> > > Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
> > > subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> > > atheists. Research
> > >  > > >  conducted a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota in
> > > Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims or
> > > homosexuals in the US.
> > > 
> > > Austin Cline
> > > 
> > > from about.com writes, "Every single study that has ever looked at
> > > the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
> > > atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
> > > distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is
> > > the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential
> > > election. It's not just that atheists are hated, though, but also
> > > that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which
> > > Americans dislike or fear.
> > > 
> > > The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota,
> > > which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent
> > > immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing
> > > their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority
> > > group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
> > > marry." The results from two of the most important questions"
> > > 
> > > This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society…
> > > Atheist: 39.6%
> > > Muslims: 26.3%
> > > Homosexuals: 22.6%
> > > Hispanics: 20%
> > > Conservative Christians: 13.5%
> > > Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
> > > Jews: 7.6%
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this
> > > group….
> > > Atheist: 47.6%
> > > Muslim: 33.5%
> > > African-American 27.2%
> > > Asian-Americans: 18.5%
> > > Hispanics: 18.5%
> > > Jews: 11.8%
> > > Conservative Christians: 6.9%
> > > Whites: 2.3%
> > > 
> > > The degree of this intolerance is a bit surprising.  My experience has
> > > taught me that atheis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[TurquoiseB]

So you're sayin' that a potential employee has
a right to believe in something that you don't
as long as he keeps it in the closet, and never
puts it in your face where you have to deal 
with it, as if he believed something different 
than you believe. 

White of you.

If you meant something else, please explain.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> I have a problem lumping "atheists" in with some of the other identifiable 
> groups such as "whites" or "homosexuals".
> 
> One's skin color is not a choice that one makes. And, the argument can be 
> make, neither is one's sexual persuasion.
> 
> But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.
> 
> Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based upon 
> such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be intolerant or 
> prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on basic fundamentals 
> about life?
> 
> We as free humans do this all the time at any point during a 24-hour period.
> 
> If someone comes to my place of business (assuming I were a boss and had a 
> place of business) dressed up in Nazi regalia asking to fill the position of 
> accountant, I'm simply not going to give him the position regardless of how 
> great a numbers-cruncher he may be.
> 
> Is this not an "intolerance" that any of us would find understandable and 
> acceptable...and perhaps even admirable?
> 
> And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others wants 
> to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be alowed to do so?
> 
> Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
> potential employer, he should have the right to do so.
> 
> Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of discrimination 
> in most charter of rights.  "Religion" is but that applies more to the 
> outward expressions of religious belief (ie, wearing a yarmulke or hajib) 
> than it is to what one's inner beliefs are (which one can't discern by 
> looking at someone).
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Emphasis below is mine
> > Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
> > By Ole Ole Olson 
> > 
> > NEWS JUNKIE POST
> > 
> >   [atheist-symbol-altered-03a] 
> >  > ered-03a.png>
> > 
> > Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
> > subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> > atheists. Research
> >  > >  conducted a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota in
> > Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims or
> > homosexuals in the US.
> > 
> > Austin Cline
> > 
> > from about.com writes, "Every single study that has ever looked at
> > the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
> > atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
> > distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is
> > the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential
> > election. It's not just that atheists are hated, though, but also
> > that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which
> > Americans dislike or fear.
> > 
> > The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota,
> > which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent
> > immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing
> > their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority
> > group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
> > marry." The results from two of the most important questions"
> > 
> > This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society…
> > Atheist: 39.6%
> > Muslims: 26.3%
> > Homosexuals: 22.6%
> > Hispanics: 20%
> > Conservative Christians: 13.5%
> > Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
> > Jews: 7.6%
> > 
> > 
> > I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this
> > group….
> > Atheist: 47.6%
> > Muslim: 33.5%
> > African-American 27.2%
> > Asian-Americans: 18.5%
> > Hispanics: 18.5%
> > Jews: 11.8%
> > Conservative Christians: 6.9%
> > Whites: 2.3%
> > 
> > The degree of this intolerance is a bit surprising.  My experience has
> > taught me that atheists tend to be very intelligent
> >  , thoughtful
> > people with a high standard of ethics that they carry through to their
> > everyday lives.
> > 
> > So why the fear, why the hatred? This situation is not the norm for most
> > of the planet. Most East and South Asian countries don't exhibit
> > this fear of atheists or agnostics. In fact, many of these countries
> > have a sign

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[ShempMcGurk]

I have a problem lumping "atheists" in with some of the other identifiable 
groups such as "whites" or "homosexuals".

One's skin color is not a choice that one makes. And, the argument can be make, 
neither is one's sexual persuasion.

But "atheism" IS a life choice, just as being a "Nazi" or racist is.

Is it not appropriate in certain circumstances to judge a person based upon 
such an identification?  How wrong is it when deciding to be intolerant or 
prejudicial against someone with whom you disagree on basic fundamentals about 
life?

We as free humans do this all the time at any point during a 24-hour period.

If someone comes to my place of business (assuming I were a boss and had a 
place of business) dressed up in Nazi regalia asking to fill the position of 
accountant, I'm simply not going to give him the position regardless of how 
great a numbers-cruncher he may be.

Is this not an "intolerance" that any of us would find understandable and 
acceptable...and perhaps even admirable?

And if a religious person who places the belief in God above all others wants 
to reject a person because of his atheism, should he not be alowed to do so?

Of course, if an atheist wants to conceal his atheistic beliefs from a 
potential employer, he should have the right to do so.

Note that philosophical beliefs is NOT a prohibited basis of discrimination in 
most charter of rights.  "Religion" is but that applies more to the outward 
expressions of religious belief (ie, wearing a yarmulke or hajib) than it is to 
what one's inner beliefs are (which one can't discern by looking at someone).



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Emphasis below is mine
> Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted Minority
> By Ole Ole Olson 
> 
> NEWS JUNKIE POST
> 
>   [atheist-symbol-altered-03a] 
>  ered-03a.png>
> 
> Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
> subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> atheists. Research
>  >  conducted a couple years ago at the University of Minnesota in
> Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims or
> homosexuals in the US.
> 
> Austin Cline
> 
> from about.com writes, "Every single study that has ever looked at
> the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
> atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
> distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is
> the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential
> election. It's not just that atheists are hated, though, but also
> that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which
> Americans dislike or fear.
> 
> The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota,
> which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent
> immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing
> their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority
> group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
> marry." The results from two of the most important questions"
> 
> This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society…
> Atheist: 39.6%
> Muslims: 26.3%
> Homosexuals: 22.6%
> Hispanics: 20%
> Conservative Christians: 13.5%
> Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
> Jews: 7.6%
> 
> 
> I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this
> group….
> Atheist: 47.6%
> Muslim: 33.5%
> African-American 27.2%
> Asian-Americans: 18.5%
> Hispanics: 18.5%
> Jews: 11.8%
> Conservative Christians: 6.9%
> Whites: 2.3%
> 
> The degree of this intolerance is a bit surprising.  My experience has
> taught me that atheists tend to be very intelligent
>  , thoughtful
> people with a high standard of ethics that they carry through to their
> everyday lives.
> 
> So why the fear, why the hatred? This situation is not the norm for most
> of the planet. Most East and South Asian countries don't exhibit
> this fear of atheists or agnostics. In fact, many of these countries
> have a significant portion of their population that does not believe in
> any deity  .
> 
> European countries have large portions of the population that are
> atheist  . There
> is not the mass discrimination there based on one's freedom to
> believe or not to believe. About the only places in the world that tend
> to have intolerant attitudes are nations with strong monotheistic
> cultures, such as both latin and anglo America, and the Islamic
> countries (particularly Turkey).
> 
> Considering th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Atheists more hated, distrusted than Muslims, homosexuals

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Sep 20, 2009, at 7:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Emphasis below is mine
> >
> > Research Finds that Atheists are Most Hated and Distrusted 
> > Minority
> 
> Oh, good!  Somebody's finally replaced
> the Jews. :)  Thank you, atheists...I bow.

It's bupkus. Don't bother to flick on the
light switch as you go. We'll just sit here 
in the dark and be hated.

:-)