[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
We have the shortest waiting time for non-emergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists Private business won't innovate... Billy: I think he's got his mind made up! Maybe he hasn't been to the L.A. Emergency room! LoL! The Nobel Prizes in medicine and physiology have been awarded to more Americans than to researchers in all other countries combined. Eight of the 10 top-selling drugs in the world were developed by U.S. companies... Read more: 'Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One' By Mark B. Consantian Wall Street Journal, January 7, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yd6u659
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
WillyTex wrote: We have the shortest waiting time for non-emergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists Private business won't innovate... Billy: I think he's got his mind made up! Maybe he hasn't been to the L.A. Emergency room! LoL! The Nobel Prizes in medicine and physiology have been awarded to more Americans than to researchers in all other countries combined. Eight of the 10 top-selling drugs in the world were developed by U.S. companies... Read more: 'Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One' By Mark B. Consantian Wall Street Journal, January 7, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yd6u659 Top selling drugs? That shows us folks what you people value. We have a bunch of Amway thinking get-rich-quick wannabes who are never-gonna-bes supporting a dying political party sensibilities. They revel if something sells really well because they want to be rich. It wouldn't surprise me if they never made much more than a pauper income in their life. I used urgent care when I slammed my finger in the car door. Emergency rooms aren't always necessary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
For the record, I find nothing technically wrong or offensive in Shemp's review. And his Subject line is just *perfect*. He is merely projecting his own hangups and hatreds onto a movie framework that allowed him to do so. That those hangups were so predominant as to make him miss the movie itself is sad, but not unusual. For example, having been commissioned by a mag to write an article about Avatar, I felt the need to rent a few of the movies it has been compared to, and that were claimed as sources. One of them was Dances With Wolves, which I saw again last night. Lovely film, one with an uplifting vision that those who see it without hangup filters in place that force them to see *only* the hangup and not the film would gain some benefit from seeing. I mention it because there is not a single moment in the film in which Mary McDonnell's hair is shown as dirty-looking or snarled or matted or a rat's nest. It's just windblown and unkempt. And lovely. Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups, so did the person who freaked out over Mary McDonnell looking like a slattern because all she could see in the film were her own hangups. At least Shemp actually *saw* the movie he projected his hangups onto; given the inaccuracy of her descriptions and her past history on this forum, it is not clear that Judy ever saw Dances With Wolves. The only hair that really stands out in Dances With Wolves is Rodney A. Grant's, as Wind In His Hair. If one were prone to project one's hangups about inauthenticity onto a film just to have something to criticize in it, one could make the case that because his hair (long enough to reach his upper thighs) was inauthentic because it was so much longer than anyone else's in the film. Of course, that's Rodney's real hair, but one *could* make such an argument. If one were an idiot, that is. What I'm waiting for is for a similar idiot to claim that Avatar is anti-semitic because it portrays the savages as Bluish. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Wonderful, wonderful movie. I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/ocean-absorption-co2-not-shrinking Avatar is the story of Gaia, the idea that the Earth is a living organism and, as such, can adjust itself and its equalibrium as the make-up of various elements in its atmosphere change. More CO2? Why, the ecosystem adjusts itself accordingly. Adaptation. Just like the skin on your arm adjusts when it is cut: it heals itself. The Na'Vi represent Gaia. The military represents the catastrophic man-made global warming movement, particularly in the person of Col. Miles Quaritch, who is pro-fear and anti-science. Quaritch personifies Al Gore, the most evil man in America today. Jake Sully represents reason as well as man acknowledging the power and balancing ability of nature. The best parallel to today's situation would be that Sully represents someone like Senator Inhofe. So when Al Gore (the military) tries to upset the natural order of things, it took a brave soul like Sully (Sen. Inhofe) to fight the fear and irrationality of Al Gore and the global warming movement. Good ultimately triumphs over evil.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
We all bring our own loves, hatreds, prejudices and biases to the table whenever we partake in any artistic event, be it a movie or a painting or music concert. Mine are projected onto the screen and story just as everyone else's are. For you to claim, Barry, that I missed the movie is of course correct from your point of view because I obviously missed it from your subjective vision. And that's fine. And if you want to believe that you are able to see it without hangups -- perhaps because you truly believe you don't have any -- well, then, we should all be quite pleased here on FFL to have such a pure soul as yourself to grace us with your presence and wisdom. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For the record, I find nothing technically wrong or offensive in Shemp's review. And his Subject line is just *perfect*. He is merely projecting his own hangups and hatreds onto a movie framework that allowed him to do so. That those hangups were so predominant as to make him miss the movie itself is sad, but not unusual. For example, having been commissioned by a mag to write an article about Avatar, I felt the need to rent a few of the movies it has been compared to, and that were claimed as sources. One of them was Dances With Wolves, which I saw again last night. Lovely film, one with an uplifting vision that those who see it without hangup filters in place that force them to see *only* the hangup and not the film would gain some benefit from seeing. I mention it because there is not a single moment in the film in which Mary McDonnell's hair is shown as dirty-looking or snarled or matted or a rat's nest. It's just windblown and unkempt. And lovely. Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups, so did the person who freaked out over Mary McDonnell looking like a slattern because all she could see in the film were her own hangups. At least Shemp actually *saw* the movie he projected his hangups onto; given the inaccuracy of her descriptions and her past history on this forum, it is not clear that Judy ever saw Dances With Wolves. The only hair that really stands out in Dances With Wolves is Rodney A. Grant's, as Wind In His Hair. If one were prone to project one's hangups about inauthenticity onto a film just to have something to criticize in it, one could make the case that because his hair (long enough to reach his upper thighs) was inauthentic because it was so much longer than anyone else's in the film. Of course, that's Rodney's real hair, but one *could* make such an argument. If one were an idiot, that is. What I'm waiting for is for a similar idiot to claim that Avatar is anti-semitic because it portrays the savages as Bluish. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Wonderful, wonderful movie. I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/ocean-absorption-co2-not-shrinking Avatar is the story of Gaia, the idea that the Earth is a living organism and, as such, can adjust itself and its equalibrium as the make-up of various elements in its atmosphere change. More CO2? Why, the ecosystem adjusts itself accordingly. Adaptation. Just like the skin on your arm adjusts when it is cut: it heals itself. The Na'Vi represent Gaia. The military represents the catastrophic man-made global warming movement, particularly in the person of Col. Miles Quaritch, who is pro-fear and anti-science. Quaritch personifies Al Gore, the most evil man in America today. Jake Sully represents reason as well as man acknowledging the power and balancing ability of nature. The best parallel to today's situation would be that Sully represents someone like Senator Inhofe. So when Al Gore (the military) tries to upset the natural order of things, it took a brave soul like Sully (Sen. Inhofe) to fight the fear and irrationality of Al Gore and the global warming movement. Good ultimately triumphs over evil.
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups... Personally I think he was kidding, at least in part. I think a lot of what Shemp posts is tongue-in- cheek, altho I could be wrong. Sal
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: Google ocean's ability to absorb CO2 and all you see are studies saying that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug You obviously didn't read the link I supplied. Why are you so eager to see the world destroyed, Rick? That's like saying why are you so eager to see people die because you believe the research that says cigarettes cause cancer, while I believe the research funded by the tobacco companies which says that they don't. It was the tobacco companies that ended up being responsible for millions of deaths. They paid billions in penalties. The executives should have been tried for manslaughter.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups... Personally I think he was kidding, at least in part. I think a lot of what Shemp posts is tongue-in- cheek, altho I could be wrong. Sal You're right that a lot of what I write is tongue-in-cheek but in this case that is how I actually saw the movie.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
Yikes, he's *still at it*. And it's moi who's supposed to be having the meltdown... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: For the record, I find nothing technically wrong or offensive in Shemp's review. Barry, last week: Shemp will HATE AVATAR. He'll be sitting there in the theater trying to admire the film for *nothing more meaningful than making a shitload of money* and find himself sitting there watching the glori- fication of everything he most hates in life. And the presentation of most of the things he loves in life as the Neanderthal Thinking they really are. Bonus quote from Vaj: I think Shemp will not only hate it, he'll spew a number of hate mails on it, like he does to those who are pro-environment. Deep inside it will work on his cognitive dissonance with his latent Vedic programming. So much of what the N'Avi are into is Maharishi Vedic living. And he despises that too. (Vaj gets a little confused toward the end there, but you get the drift.) snip Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups, so did the person who freaked out over Mary McDonnell looking like a slattern because all she could see in the film were her own hangups. Actually, I loved the film, thought McDonnell did a great job. I'd seen it twice before my sister pointed out the hair thing to me. When I then saw it a third time, the incongruity was so obvious I couldn't imagine how I'd missed it the first two times. Didn't change my appreciation of the film, though. I just acquired a new awareness of how subtle and pernicious racism can be--including my own, since I didn't notice it until my sister called my attention to it. But boy, if you want to talk about somebody missing something because all they can see in it are their own hatreds and hangups, this describes Barry's reaction to my posts about McDonnell's hair precisely. And he's utterly oblivious to how revealing of his own meanspiritedness his projections are (not to mention his insensitivity to racism). Actually, I think Barry's gone off the deep end here because he's *enraged* at my having observed that many liberals perceived his precious Avatar--a film that, to Barry, represents the Correct View of Life, the Universe, and Everything--to be racist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: Google ocean's ability to absorb CO2 and all you see are studies saying that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug You obviously didn't read the link I supplied. Why are you so eager to see the world destroyed, Rick? That's like saying why are you so eager to see people die because you believe the research that says cigarettes cause cancer, while I believe the research funded by the tobacco companies which says that they don't. It was the tobacco companies that ended up being responsible for millions of deaths. They paid billions in penalties. The executives should have been tried for manslaughter. Bad analogy. The BETTER analogy is the one where you go to the doctor who tells you you have inoperable cancer and have 3 months to live. So, devastated and depressed by the news, you go to a second doctor for another opinion. The second doctor examines you and reports: I have good news. The first doctor made a typical mistake with symptoms of the kind you have. I am happy to report that not only do you not have cancer but that you will live a long and healthy life. Well, upon hearing that from the second doctor, you will, at the very least, be cautiously optimistic and, at most, ecstatic. But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. The ONLY rational response to news that Al Gore may be wrong and that maybe all those scientists who, on the basis of those grants they got from government, concluded that there is catastrophic man-made global warming were wrong is: CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM. Rick, global warming study is a new phenomenon about a complicated eco-system that no one really knows much about. Climate is something that no one has EVER been able to predict. It is new territory for everyone. For ANYONE to claim that they have the conclusive proof that this or that is going to happen is irrational. Therefore, when research comes out pointing to the opposite conclusion that Al Gore would have us believe -- that there is going to be an apocalypse in which tens of millions are going to die -- AT THE VERY LEAST the only rational response must be: HEY, I AM NOT YET CONVINCED BUT I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG BECAUSE IF I AM WRONG, BILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS WON'T SUFFER UNNECESSARILY. For anyone to respond to news that AGW is not real by expressing anger suggests to me an agenda that has nothing to do with science or a true concern with the environment. It is an irrational response. You don't HAVE to believe that global warming isn't real; but a normal well-adjusted person would WANT that to be the reality. You should be writing: Shemp, you haven't convinced me yet but, gosh, I so much want you to be right and me to be wrong because that will mean that suffering for this planet will be minimized. I still believe global warming is a reality but I will keep an open mind and hope against hope that you are right.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups, so did the person who freaked out over Mary McDonnell looking like a slattern because all she could see in the film were her own hangups. Judy wrote: Actually, I think Barry's gone off the deep end here because he's *enraged* at my having observed that many liberals perceived his precious Avatar--a film that, to Barry, represents the Correct View of Life, the Universe, and Everything--to be racist. So, Barry is *enraged* and 'gone off the deep end'. And, many liberals think 'Avatar' is racist. Barry can read minds. Interesting.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
Barry simply doesn't pay attention. When he first brought this issue up -- prior to my week-long suspension -- I responded by telling Barry that if I judged movies solely by whether I agreed with their political agendas then I would end up seeing about 3 or 4 movies a decade. I long ago gave up hoping that Hollywood liberals would make the kind of movies that fit in with my political worldview. They are simply few and far between. And virtually every major studio (and probably all the independent producers on the planet!) are liberals. As I've written here before one of the few movies that DO fit in with my free-market views was, ironically, done by the uber-liberal (and self-described socialist from Canada) Norman Jewison. I am referring to the wonderful romantic comedy Other People's Money starring Danny DeVito and Penelope Ann Miller (and, yes, you most certainly buy into the chemistry between the beauty and the mini-beast, at least I did). What's great about OPM is that it provides the viewer with BOTH sides of the story of an unwelcome hostile corporate take-over. This culminates with a stockholders' meeting in which the protagonists on each side of the issue address the stockholders for their votes on the take-over: DeVito as the money-grubbing take-over artist and Gregory Peck (with his daughter Miller as the corporate lawyer) on the side of the good guys, the corporation that is the object of the take-over. Honest dialogue and reasoning is given to BOTH sides; the capitalist side is NOT treated as purely evil and the take-over company as the good guys who only want to do what is right for the worker. The pro's and con's of each are given. I was surprised that Jewison was able to do this because he was responsible for one of the most horrendous exercises in leftist propaganda ever committed to film: the movie Hurricane, which is about the former world champion boxer Hurricane Carter who spent about 19 years in prison for a multi-murder he claims he didn't commit. Well, anyone familiar with the case and with any semblance of common sense knows that Carter most certainly did commit the murders and society was well served by having that psychopath in prison for all that time. And Jewison played loose and selectively with the facts, biassing his film to make the viewer believe Carter was innoncent. But not the case with OPM. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Yikes, he's *still at it*. And it's moi who's supposed to be having the meltdown... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: For the record, I find nothing technically wrong or offensive in Shemp's review. Barry, last week: Shemp will HATE AVATAR. He'll be sitting there in the theater trying to admire the film for *nothing more meaningful than making a shitload of money* and find himself sitting there watching the glori- fication of everything he most hates in life. And the presentation of most of the things he loves in life as the Neanderthal Thinking they really are. Bonus quote from Vaj: I think Shemp will not only hate it, he'll spew a number of hate mails on it, like he does to those who are pro-environment. Deep inside it will work on his cognitive dissonance with his latent Vedic programming. So much of what the N'Avi are into is Maharishi Vedic living. And he despises that too. (Vaj gets a little confused toward the end there, but you get the drift.) snip Just as Shemp missed the film he was watching because all he could see in it were his own hatreds and hangups, so did the person who freaked out over Mary McDonnell looking like a slattern because all she could see in the film were her own hangups. Actually, I loved the film, thought McDonnell did a great job. I'd seen it twice before my sister pointed out the hair thing to me. When I then saw it a third time, the incongruity was so obvious I couldn't imagine how I'd missed it the first two times. Didn't change my appreciation of the film, though. I just acquired a new awareness of how subtle and pernicious racism can be--including my own, since I didn't notice it until my sister called my attention to it. But boy, if you want to talk about somebody missing something because all they can see in it are their own hatreds and hangups, this describes Barry's reaction to my posts about McDonnell's hair precisely. And he's utterly oblivious to how revealing of his own meanspiritedness his projections are (not to mention his insensitivity to racism). Actually, I think Barry's gone off the deep end here because he's *enraged* at my having observed that many liberals perceived his precious Avatar--a film that, to Barry, represents the Correct View of Life, the Universe, and Everything--to be racist.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment. No, what you would want to do is still consider treatment but continue to pursue the good diagnosis by going to other doctors to see if the fourth one was right and the first three wrong.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment. And in this case, given the percentage of climatologists who support global warming theory, 97 doctors say you have cancer while three say you don't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment. No, what you would want to do is still consider treatment but continue to pursue the good diagnosis by going to other doctors to see if the fourth one was right and the first three wrong. At some point, though, the delay in treatment while you're running around making appointments with other doctors (it often takes a while to get an appointment with a specialist) could mean the difference between life and death.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:28 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment. And in this case, given the percentage of climatologists who support global warming theory, 97 doctors say you have cancer while three say you don't. Actually, very few climatologists agree that there is catastrophic man-made global warming, Rick. You're just repeating a mantra you read or heard in the media. Indeed, more and more everyday are saying that the science is not settled. Again, I know you're eager for there to be this catastrophy that's going to happen but there's zero evidence it will. So sorry to disappoint you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. On the other hand, if the first three doctors tell you you've got cancer and only the fourth tells you you don't, you'd be rather foolish to forego treatment. No, what you would want to do is still consider treatment but continue to pursue the good diagnosis by going to other doctors to see if the fourth one was right and the first three wrong. At some point, though, the delay in treatment while you're running around making appointments with other doctors (it often takes a while to get an appointment with a specialist) could mean the difference between life and death. ...not when the treatment does irreparable harm to third parties...
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:47 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:06 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: Google ocean's ability to absorb CO2 and all you see are studies saying that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug You obviously didn't read the link I supplied. Why are you so eager to see the world destroyed, Rick? That's like saying why are you so eager to see people die because you believe the research that says cigarettes cause cancer, while I believe the research funded by the tobacco companies which says that they don't. It was the tobacco companies that ended up being responsible for millions of deaths. They paid billions in penalties. The executives should have been tried for manslaughter. Bad analogy. The BETTER analogy is the one where you go to the doctor who tells you you have inoperable cancer and have 3 months to live. So, devastated and depressed by the news, you go to a second doctor for another opinion. The second doctor examines you and reports: I have good news. The first doctor made a typical mistake with symptoms of the kind you have. I am happy to report that not only do you not have cancer but that you will live a long and healthy life. Well, upon hearing that from the second doctor, you will, at the very least, be cautiously optimistic and, at most, ecstatic. But to be sure you will get a third and possibly fourth opinion. When both the third and fourth doctors assure you that you don't have cancer, you celebrate and are much relieved. The ONLY rational response to news that Al Gore may be wrong and that maybe all those scientists who, on the basis of those grants they got from government, concluded that there is catastrophic man-made global warming were wrong is: CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM. Rick, global warming study is a new phenomenon about a complicated eco-system that no one really knows much about. Climate is something that no one has EVER been able to predict. It is new territory for everyone. For ANYONE to claim that they have the conclusive proof that this or that is going to happen is irrational. Therefore, when research comes out pointing to the opposite conclusion that Al Gore would have us believe -- that there is going to be an apocalypse in which tens of millions are going to die -- AT THE VERY LEAST the only rational response must be: HEY, I AM NOT YET CONVINCED BUT I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE PROVEN WRONG BECAUSE IF I AM WRONG, BILLIONS OF HUMAN BEINGS WON'T SUFFER UNNECESSARILY. For anyone to respond to news that AGW is not real by expressing anger suggests to me an agenda that has nothing to do with science or a true concern with the environment. It is an irrational response. You don't HAVE to believe that global warming isn't real; but a normal well-adjusted person would WANT that to be the reality. You should be writing: Shemp, you haven't convinced me yet but, gosh, I so much want you to be right and me to be wrong because that will mean that suffering for this planet will be minimized. I still believe global warming is a reality but I will keep an open mind and hope against hope that you are right. Shemp, this is a very reasonable and well-written response and for once, I agree with much of it. Hey, I love winter sports and at the moment I'm waiting for it to warm up from two below to about five above so I can go out cross-country skiing for a couple of hours. Your doctors analogy breaks down because most climatologists agree that global warming is real and a serious problem. 97% according to
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp Actually, very few climatologists agree that there is catastrophic man-made global warming, Rick. In the Shempoverse, that is true. In the real world, as evidenced by the link I posted (http://tinyurl.com/yd5sqm7 is a better one if you'd like multiple references), it isn't.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp Actually, very few climatologists agree that there is catastrophic man-made global warming, Rick. In the Shempoverse, that is true. In the real world, as evidenced by the link I posted (http://tinyurl.com/yd5sqm7 is a better one if you'd like multiple references), it isn't. I mean real, non-biassed scientists, of course, Rick. How many of those listed got their research money from government?
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp Actually, very few climatologists agree that there is catastrophic man-made global warming, Rick. In the Shempoverse, that is true. In the real world, as evidenced by the link I posted (http://tinyurl.com/yd5sqm7 is a better one if you'd like multiple references), it isn't. I mean real, non-biassed scientists, of course, Rick. Translation: fringe scientists who agree with your misguided opinion. How many of those listed got their research money from government? All scientists get their research money from somewhere. Mostly either the government or corporations, I suppose. Are you suggesting that government-funded research is more biased than corporate-funded research? If so, why? Corporations are beholden to their shareholders and are notorious for doctoring research to protect the bottom line. Politicians are also corrupt insofar as they are bought and sold by corporations, which in our country they are to a disgusting degree. Hence, many politicians sing the same song you're singing. What do they care? By the time Florida is under water, they'll be long gone.
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: All scientists get their research money from somewhere. Mostly either the government or corporations, I suppose. Are you suggesting that government-funded research is more biased than corporate-funded research? If so, why? Corporations are beholden to their shareholders and are notorious for doctoring research to protect the bottom line. Politicians are also corrupt insofar as they are bought and sold by corporations, which in our country they are to a disgusting degree. Hence, many politicians sing the same song you're singing. What do they care? By the time Florida is under water, they'll be long gone. I think the real reason Shemp likes the idea of AGW is because he's looking forward to owning some ocean-front property--in Arizona. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Jan 9, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Rick Archer wrote: All scientists get their research money from somewhere. Mostly either the government or corporations, I suppose. Are you suggesting that government-funded research is more biased than corporate-funded research? If so, why? Corporations are beholden to their shareholders and are notorious for doctoring research to protect the bottom line. Politicians are also corrupt insofar as they are bought and sold by corporations, which in our country they are to a disgusting degree. Hence, many politicians sing the same song you're singing. What do they care? By the time Florida is under water, they'll be long gone. I think the real reason Shemp likes the idea of AGW is because he's looking forward to owning some ocean-front property--in Arizona. Sal Ah! Sal secretly listens to country music! I just saw an interview with the wonderful Norah Jones about her early influences. As you know, her music is as far from country as you can get. I was surprised to learn from her interview that almost all her early influences were country music, which she adores.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:16 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp Actually, very few climatologists agree that there is catastrophic man-made global warming, Rick. In the Shempoverse, that is true. In the real world, as evidenced by the link I posted (http://tinyurl.com/yd5sqm7 is a better one if you'd like multiple references), it isn't. I mean real, non-biassed scientists, of course, Rick. Translation: fringe scientists who agree with your misguided opinion. How many of those listed got their research money from government? All scientists get their research money from somewhere. Exactly. And that's why he who pays the piper calls the tune applies to all. Mostly either the government or corporations, I suppose. Are you suggesting that government-funded research is more biased than corporate-funded research? No more, no less. If so, why? Corporations are beholden to their shareholders and are notorious for doctoring research to protect the bottom line. Politicians are also corrupt insofar as they are bought and sold by corporations, which in our country they are to a disgusting degree. Hence, many politicians sing the same song you're singing. What do they care? By the time Florida is under water, they'll be long gone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ShempMcGurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Wonderful, wonderful movie. I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/ocean-absorption-co2-not-shrinking Avatar is the story of Gaia, the idea that the Earth is a living organism and, as such, can adjust itself and its equalibrium as the make-up of various elements in its atmosphere change. More CO2? Why, the ecosystem adjusts itself accordingly. Adaptation. Just like the skin on your arm adjusts when it is cut: it heals itself. The Na'Vi represent Gaia. The military represents the catastrophic man-made global warming movement, particularly in the person of Col. Miles Quaritch, who is pro-fear and anti-science. Quaritch personifies Al Gore, the most evil man in America today. Jake Sully represents reason as well as man acknowledging the power and balancing ability of nature. The best parallel to today's situation would be that Sully represents someone like Senator Inhofe. So when Al Gore (the military) tries to upset the natural order of things, it took a brave soul like Sully (Sen. Inhofe) to fight the fear and irrationality of Al Gore and the global warming movement. Good ultimately triumphs over evil. Actually in this case Shemp, liberalism has usurped the role of GOD in determining outcomes (not just in environmental issues). In a free market economy MERIT is the overriding factor with a safety net for the disadvantaged (which both parties have)! As ye sow, so shall you reap! is based on MERIT. The idea that if you don't accept standardized health care for everyone you're calloused or selfish is a red herring argument, the Republicans just feel there is a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will
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BillyG wrote: The idea that if you don't accept standardized health care for everyone you're calloused or selfish is a red herring argument, the Republicans just feel there is a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will Yeah, health care for profit has been a real success in the US, hasn't it? The country ranks 37 in health care. The term quality when speaking about health care for profit might be a little questionable. It's more what they can scam you for when you really don't need it. If other countries can provide health care to someone for $350-600 a year why can't the US? That's lees than some people spend a month for their health care insurance extortion payments.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
ShempMcGurk wrote: Ah! Sal secretly listens to country music! I just saw an interview with the wonderful Norah Jones about her early influences. As you know, her music is as far from country as you can get. I was surprised to learn from her interview that almost all her early influences were country music, which she adores. She did a couple of tunes at the Gram Parson's concert a couple years ago which you can rent on DVD. Parsons did a lot to get country music out of the rut of hillbilly music. He also had a background in jazz. Country music became big during the ASCAP strike when recording companies signed country artists to get around the strike.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: BillyG wrote: The idea that if you don't accept standardized health care for everyone you're calloused or selfish is a red herring argument, the Republicans just feel there is a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will Yeah, health care for profit has been a real success in the US, hasn't it? The country ranks 37 in health care. The term quality when speaking about health care for profit might be a little questionable. It's more what they can scam you for when you really don't need it. No, nor did I say that, did I? Health care needs reforms, but why compromise on quality, for quantity? Republicans have reforms that can tackle both cost and retain quality, at any rate, no system is going to be perfect, nor is any form of government. If other countries can provide health care to someone for $350-600 a year why can't the US? That's lees than some people spend a month for their health care insurance extortion payments. Maybe if big government would get out of the way private business could be more innovative, such as has been suggested on this forum. Let me tell you, when you have a serious medical problem you want private insurance, why? quality! It may mean your life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
BillyG wrote: ...a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will. Bhairitu wrote: Yeah, health care for profit has been a real success in the US, hasn't it? We have the shortest waiting time for non-emergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists Read more: 'Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One' By Mark B. Consantian Wall Street Journal, January 7, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yd6u659
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BillyG wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: BillyG wrote: The idea that if you don't accept standardized health care for everyone you're calloused or selfish is a red herring argument, the Republicans just feel there is a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will Yeah, health care for profit has been a real success in the US, hasn't it? The country ranks 37 in health care. The term quality when speaking about health care for profit might be a little questionable. It's more what they can scam you for when you really don't need it. No, nor did I say that, did I? Health care needs reforms, but why compromise on quality, for quantity? Republicans have reforms that can tackle both cost and retain quality, at any rate, no system is going to be perfect, nor is any form of government. Republicans have really shown us that they can do things right alright like destroy the economy over the last 30 years. How do you define quality anyway? Fancy expensive equipment? Or maybe doctors who are sons and daughters of doctors who just want the lifestyle (like playing a lot of golf)? Maybe it should not be a pedigreed field. If other countries can do it so can the US. But it is too hung up on greed to happen. If other countries can provide health care to someone for $350-600 a year why can't the US? That's lees than some people spend a month for their health care insurance extortion payments. Maybe if big government would get out of the way private business could be more innovative, such as has been suggested on this forum. Let me tell you, when you have a serious medical problem you want private insurance, why? quality! It may mean your life. Private business won't innovate. They'll just see how much they can pick pockets. You must have been born yesterday. Preventing serious medical problems in the first place might be a better solution.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote: BillyG wrote: ...a BETTER way to reform health care, that's all, and one that doesn't compromise on quality, which what the Democrats are offering, certainly will. Bhairitu wrote: Yeah, health care for profit has been a real success in the US, hasn't it? We have the shortest waiting time for non-emergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists Read more: 'Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One' By Mark B. Consantian Wall Street Journal, January 7, 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yd6u659 I think he's got his mind made up!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Avatar, as seen through the eyes of Shemp I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished: Google ocean's ability to absorb CO2 and all you see are studies saying that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug You obviously didn't read the link I supplied. Why are you so eager to see the world destroyed, Rick?
