[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead

[emptybill]

A prairie dog that was living peacefully in his hole
once dreamed he was a man. He was amazed
at all he found he knew ... cell phones, internet,
how to drive a car, two legged babes he once knew.

When he awoke he was confused. Am I me? Or
am I this fool babbling at a screen?
All the prairie dogs calmed him down and agreed ...
"Don't put on airs and call yerself Mr. Chwang Tsu.
Yer still just a dog and a yer still Mr. Fool."

Mr. Fool prairie dog went back to "sleep" with his
eyes wide open and felt much more real.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
>
>
> emptybill:
> > Did you turn off your brain?
> >
> Does it bother anyone else that the mime is talking?
>
> > No one survises the future.
> >
> All you have to do is wake up from the dream - it's
> that simple. When you wake up to Reality, you'll
> find there's no future, past, or present - time
> doesn't exist.
>
> A guy once dreamed he was a butterfly. When he woke
> up he realized he was a man. But, was he a man that
> was dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly
> dreaming that he was a man?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead

[Richard J. Williams]

emptybill:
> Did you turn off your brain?
>
Does it bother anyone else that the mime is talking?

> No one survises the future.
>
All you have to do is wake up from the dream - it's
that simple. When you wake up to Reality, you'll
find there's no future, past, or present - time
doesn't exist.

A guy once dreamed he was a butterfly. When he woke
up he realized he was a man. But, was he a man that
was dreaming he was a butterfly, or a butterfly
dreaming that he was a man?

> > So, the cities are broke; the country is broke;
> > and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing
> > next to nothing, apparently. The big question
> > now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow
> > decline.
> >
> > One constant is change - we could shrink the size
> > of government and bring the troops home. We could
> > be creative again, in order to deal with the danger
> > that lies ahead.
> >
> > But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are
> > just sitting there, watching TV and following
> > Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to
> > come down the pike in a long time!
> >
> > We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals.
> > Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music.
> >
> > How can we survive the future?
> >
> > "My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world
> > burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy
> > that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see
> > how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard
> > time."
> >
> > Downgrade Diary:
> > http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead

[Richard J. Williams]

John:
> Some people are waiting for the ME to save the nation.
>
Pap - Urban Dictionary

1. A comforting and soothing pat used to calm someone down.

Karkat knew all that Gamzee needed was a good shoosh and a pap.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pap


> > So, the cities are broke; the country is broke;
> > and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing
> > next to nothing, apparently. The big question
> > now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow
> > decline.
> >
> > One constant is change - we could shrink the size
> > of government and bring the troops home. We could
> > be creative again, in order to deal with the danger
> > that lies ahead.
> >
> > But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are
> > just sitting there, watching TV and following
> > Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to
> > come down the pike in a long time!
> >
> > We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals.
> > Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music.
> >
> > How can we survive the future?
> >
> > "My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world
> > burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy
> > that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see
> > how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard
> > time."
> >
> > Downgrade Diary:
> > http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the Danger That Lies Ahead

[emptybill]

Did you turn off your brain?

No one survises the future.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote:
>
> So, the cities are broke; the country is broke;
> and we're just sitting around watching TV, doing
> next to nothing, apparently. The big question
> now is what comes next: a sudden crash, or a slow
> decline.
>
> One constant is change - we could shrink the size
> of government and bring the troops home. We could
> be creative again, in order to deal with the danger
> that lies ahead.
>
> But, the old crowd and most of the new crowd are
> just sitting there, watching TV and following
> Breaking Bad, one of the most depressing shows to
> come down the pike in a long time!
>
> We're now fascinated with the lives of criminals.
> Check out some of the lyrics on new popular music.
>
> How can we survive the future?
>
> "My nature is pessimistic. I look on a world
> burdened by debt and faced by a fanatical enemy
> that has nuclear weapons, and I find it hard to see
> how we can avoid what at best would be a very hard
> time."
>
> Downgrade Diary:
> http://tinyurl.com/mkdz5k6
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid HFCS!

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
 
> http://blueheronhealthnews.com/site/?p=5577
 
> High fructose corn syrup is even worse. Not just because of its chemical 
> structure but also because it's so cheap that it's snuck into almost 
> everything. If you look at a graph for increase in high fructose corn syrup 
> consumption and new type 2 diabetes cases since 1980, you'll see two almost 
> parallel lines. However, just because HFCS is getting really bad press, don't 
> forget that sugar is sugar; and sugar is one of the main cause of 
> inflammation no matter what form it's in (white, brown, raw, organic, fruit 
> sugars etc.).

I seem to recall reading about a study about feeding pure fructose to mice, 
which resulted in enlarged hearts. The following two web pages have a good 
discussion about inflamation and its various causes. This is written by MDs, 
who state at the outset that scientifically inflammation has not until recently 
been well understood, but that this is changing. The article discusses various 
currently know causes of inflammation and chronic inflammation, including 
sugars.

http://tinyurl.com/cc8yqgm

[ 
http://www.thedoctorweighsin.com/what-causes-inflammation-comprehensive-look-at-the-causes-and-effects-of-inflammation/
 ]

http://tinyurl.com/ck2xhlp

[ 
http://www.thedoctorweighsin.com/what-causes-inflammation-a-comprehensive-look-at-the-causes-and-effects-of-inflammation-part-2/
 ]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[richardwillytexwilliams]

cardemaister:
> ...according to grammarians properly written 
> %{duS-kha}
>
"Suffering (duhkham) that has not yet come can 
be avoided." - Patanjali (Y.S. 2.16)

"If a stone is thrown into a pond, waves are produced 
that travel throughout the pond. Every wave produces 
effects in every part of the pond, resulting in some 
influence or other. Similarly, the wave of individual 
life through its activity produces an influence in all 
fields of the cosmos" (SBAL p. 69). 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> Well, Monier-Williams seems to think it's a praakritized form
> for 'duH-stha':

The reason for that seems to be that 'duHkha' is in fact
anomalous, or stuff. By the rules of sandhi, it *should* be
'duSkha'? (but: dur-ga, dus-tara, duH-sattva, dush-cara, etc.)



> 
> duHkha1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} 
> and said to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a 
> Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant , 
> difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness 
> , pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv , 7 , 2 , 15 Mn. MBh. &c. 
> (personified as the son of Naraka and Vedana1 VP.) ; (%{am}) ind. with 
> difficulty , scarcely , hardly (also %{at} and %{ena}) MBh. R. ; impers. it 
> is difficult to or to be (inf.with an acc. or nom. R. vii , 6 , 38 Bhag. v , 
> 6) ; %{duHkham} - %{as} , to be sad or uneasy Ratn. iv , 19/20 ; - %{kR} , to 
> cause or feel pain Ya1jn5. ii , 218 MBh. xii , 5298.
> 2 duHk
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Since dukha means a "bad hole" and the cause of it is correlation or
> > conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple:
> > 
> > "Don't consort with bad holes. "
> > 
> > Ever met any bad holes, Card?
> > 
> > ……
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
> > potential
> > > > trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
> > it
> > > > hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery
> > which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers
> > primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery
> > for a vivekin -- card).
> > >
> > > The next suutra states:
> > >
> > > draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
> > >
> > > The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
> > > and the Seen. -- Taimni.
> > >
> > > And the remedy (II 25):
> > >
> > > tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
> > >
> > > The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
> > > the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
> > > is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[cardemaister]

Well, Monier-Williams seems to think it's a praakritized form
for 'duH-stha':

duHkha  1 mfn. (according to grammarians properly written %{duS-kha} and said 
to be from %{dus} and %{kha} [cf. %{su-kha4}] ; but more probably a 
Pra1kritized form for %{duH-stha} q.v.) uneasy , uncomfortable , unpleasant , 
difficult R. Hariv. (compar. %{-tara} MBh. R.) ; n. (ifc. f. %{A}) uneasiness , 
pain , sorrow , trouble , difficulty S3Br. xiv , 7 , 2 , 15 Mn. MBh. &c. 
(personified as the son of Naraka and Vedana1 VP.) ; (%{am}) ind. with 
difficulty , scarcely , hardly (also %{at} and %{ena}) MBh. R. ; impers. it is 
difficult to or to be (inf.with an acc. or nom. R. vii , 6 , 38 Bhag. v , 6) ; 
%{duHkham} - %{as} , to be sad or uneasy Ratn. iv , 19/20 ; - %{kR} , to cause 
or feel pain Ya1jn5. ii , 218 MBh. xii , 5298.
2   duHk



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill"  wrote:
>
> 
> Since dukha means a "bad hole" and the cause of it is correlation or
> conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple:
> 
> "Don't consort with bad holes. "
> 
> Ever met any bad holes, Card?
> 
> ……
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
> potential
> > > trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
> it
> > > hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> > >
> >
> > I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery
> which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers
> primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery
> for a vivekin -- card).
> >
> > The next suutra states:
> >
> > draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
> >
> > The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
> > and the Seen. -- Taimni.
> >
> > And the remedy (II 25):
> >
> > tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
> >
> > The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
> > the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
> > is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[Denise Evans]

I like that..."all actions are perfect one you transform the consciousness 
behind it".  Sounds like my new career-finding strategy.

--- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi  wrote:

From: Ravi Yogi 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 11:40 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  

True, I wasn't supporting inaction. In India people project inner values to the 
outer and that results in lot of inaction on the outer. All actions are perfect 
once you transform the consciousness behind it, perfecting action is an 
exercise in futility.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans  wrote:
>
> Inaction is an action.  
> 
> --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
> 
> From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM
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> I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I 
> guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to 
> the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of 
> spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality 
> doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather 
> than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one you describe below 
> about committees, but that looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to 
> teach surrender. Go to India where you see this kind of inaction because of 
> the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect of which is learning the values 
> of patience through surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level 
> to learn the value of surrender.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> > trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> > hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> > 
> > What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are
> > the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do
> > once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> > sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> > any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> > away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> > into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> > without you getting your hands all muddy."
> > 
> > I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> > working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> > major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board
> > Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> > representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together
> > I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> > point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems
> > ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> > endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> > and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> > resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> > moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> > give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but
> > then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> > decisions.
> > 
> > Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality.
> > I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> > run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> > really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> > that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level of
> > the problem."
> > 
> > Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions
> > really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> > belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> > dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was the
> > result of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[Ravi Yogi]

True, I wasn't supporting inaction. In India people project inner values
to the outer and that results in lot of inaction on the outer. All
actions are perfect once you transform the consciousness behind it,
perfecting action is an exercise in futility.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans 
wrote:
>
> Inaction is an action. Â
>
> --- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote:
>
> From: Ravi Yogi raviyogi@...
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM
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> I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different
words, I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that
you looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb
the essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from
inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact
learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like
the one you describe below about committees, but that looks like a
situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where
you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one
good effect of which is learning the values of patience through
surrender. Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the
value of surrender.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
potential
> > trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
it
> > hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> >
> > What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however,
are
> > the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what
to do
> > once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> > sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much
of
> > any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> > away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead,
dive
> > into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> > without you getting your hands all muddy."
> >
> > I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> > working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> > major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country
Board
> > Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> > representative on this board from the US, and because we worked
together
> > I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From
his
> > point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no
problems
> > ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> > endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any
action,
> > and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> > resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> > moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea
--
> > give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things,
but
> > then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> > decisions.
> >
> > Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of
reality.
> > I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world
is
> > run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> > really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I
think
> > that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the
level of
> > the problem."
> >
> > Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my
actions
> > really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and
that
> > belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> > dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was
the
> > result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> > perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> > perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and
people
> > levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others
perceived
> > as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates
of
> > the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still
bouncing
> > around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal
meth.
> > Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat
Yuga
> > still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
> >
> > Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be
with
> > those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> > problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> > meditation.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[Denise Evans]

Inaction is an action.  

--- On Wed, 8/17/11, Ravi Yogi  wrote:

From: Ravi Yogi 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 8:51 PM















 
 



  



  
  
  
I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words, I guess 
that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you looked to the Guru 
to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the essentials of spirituality - 
the need to separate the outer from inner. Spirituality doesn't means avoiding 
responsibility but in fact learning to respond rather than react. Sure yeah 
Gurus create drama like the one you describe below about committees, but that 
looks like a situation where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India 
where you see this kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one 
good effect of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. 
Sometimes lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> 
> What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are
> the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do
> once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> without you getting your hands all muddy."
> 
> I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board
> Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together
> I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems
> ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but
> then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> decisions.
> 
> Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality.
> I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level of
> the problem."
> 
> Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions
> really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was the
> result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people
> levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived
> as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of
> the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing
> around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth.
> Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga
> still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
> 
> Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with
> those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> meditation.
>




 





 



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[Ravi Yogi]

I'm amazed at your ability to state the same old BS in different words,
I guess that's what talented writers are paid for. The fact that you
looked to the Guru to make your decisions means you didn't absorb the
essentials of spirituality - the need to separate the outer from inner.
Spirituality doesn't means avoiding responsibility but in fact learning
to respond rather than react. Sure yeah Gurus create drama like the one
you describe below about committees, but that looks like a situation
where the Guru wanted to teach surrender. Go to India where you see this
kind of inaction because of the stupid bureaucracy, the one good effect
of which is learning the values of patience through surrender. Sometimes
lessons are needed at a outer level to learn the value of surrender.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
>
> What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however,
are
> the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to
do
> once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> without you getting your hands all muddy."
>
> I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country
Board
> Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> representative on this board from the US, and because we worked
together
> I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no
problems
> ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things,
but
> then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> decisions.
>
> Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of
reality.
> I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level
of
> the problem."
>
> Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my
actions
> really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was
the
> result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and
people
> levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others
perceived
> as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates
of
> the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still
bouncing
> around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal
meth.
> Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga
> still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
>
> Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be
with
> those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> meditation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[emptybill]

Since dukha means a "bad hole" and the cause of it is correlation or
conjunction (samyoga), I think the sage's advice it simple:

"Don't consort with bad holes. "

Ever met any bad holes, Card?

……



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see
potential
> > trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before
it
> > hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> >
>
> I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery
which is not yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers
primarily to 'duHkham eva sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery
for a vivekin -- card).
>
> The next suutra states:
>
> draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
>
> The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
> and the Seen. -- Taimni.
>
> And the remedy (II 25):
>
> tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
>
> The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
> the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
> is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> 
> What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are
> the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do
> once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> without you getting your hands all muddy."
> 
> I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board
> Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together
> I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems
> ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but
> then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> decisions.
> 
> Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality.
> I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level of
> the problem."
> 
> Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions
> really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was the
> result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people
> levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived
> as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of
> the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing
> around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth.
> Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga
> still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
> 
> Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with
> those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> meditation.

Actually your point has merit; MMY never could recommend dealing with the 
problem per se because he neglected teaching the first two limbs of Patanjali's 
Yoga, Yama & NiYama, the prescriptions and the proscriptions.

Patanjali had envisioned (IMO) dealing with problems on multiple levels, hence 
you have the answer to your query/question.

Their is Nothing wrong with using Astrology to "avoid the problem BEFORE is 
arises".

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[John]

The answer to your musings is:  perform actions while established in the Self.  
This would include those actions that you think are right for the situation.  
This the fight that the Gita is addressing during the battle in Kurukshetra.

IMO, the goal of the Immortality Course is to learn how the self can identify 
with the Unified Field which is eternal.  As such, at death the self becomes 
eternal.  IOW, for those who believe in the transmigration of the soul, the 
body is similar to a cloth that the soul wears while existing in this world and 
discards at the moment of death.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> 
> What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are
> the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do
> once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> without you getting your hands all muddy."
> 
> I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board
> Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together
> I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems
> ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but
> then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> decisions.
> 
> Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality.
> I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level of
> the problem."
> 
> Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions
> really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was the
> result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people
> levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived
> as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of
> the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing
> around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth.
> Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga
> still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
> 
> Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with
> those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> meditation.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[richardwillytexwilliams]

> > ...there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism.
> > 
cardemaister: 
> The next suutra states:
> 
> draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.
> 
> The cause of that which is to be avoided is the 
> union of the Seer and the Seen. -- Taimni.
> 
> And the remedy (II 25):
> 
> tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.
> 
> The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
> the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra 
> > -- card]
> is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. 
> > -- Taimni
>
According to MMY, the Purusha is totally separate
from the prakriti. Patanjali says that 'yoga' is
the *isolation* of the Purusha. When the Purusha
is isolated, (kaivalyam) the Self stands by itself, 
as a witness to itself.

The thing to be avoided is the error of assuming 
that the Purusha can be joined to the prakriti,
and to think that there are myriad selfs or souls
that do the joining. 

In Yoga-Vedanta, there is only one Self to be 
isolated, in order to avoid believing that the 
'soul-monad' reincarnates in bodies after death, 
when in fact, the Self is the only existent, and 
is not a subject of cognition.

The Self is all there is, and all there ever will 
be, so just stop all the striving. You are only 
going to get as much enlightenment as you are 
going to get. So, just avoid the danger that lies
ahead.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> 

I think at least in the YS, 'heyaM duHkham anaagatam' (the misery which is not 
yet come can and is to be avoided -- Taimni) refers primarily to 'duHkham eva 
sarvaM vivekinaH' (everything is only misery for a vivekin -- card).

The next suutra states:

draSTR-dRSyayoH saMyogo heya-hetuH.

The cause of that which is to be avoided is the union of the Seer
and the Seen. -- Taimni.

And the remedy (II 25):

tad-abhaavaat saMyogaabhaavo haanaM tad dRsheH kaivalyam.

The dissociation of puruSa and prakRti brought about by
the dispersion of avidyaa [mentioned in the previous suutra -- card]
is the real remedy and that is the Liberation of the Seer. -- Taimni

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid the problem before it comes

[richardwillytexwilliams]

turquoiseb:
> I'm sitting here searching my memory...
>
So, what, exactly, hit the fan? 

Did you knock the girl up at the Yum 
Yum; get fired from your job; get 
kicked out of your upstairs apartment, 
or what? Go figure.

> OK, there is some wisdom in this Maharishi-ism. If you can see potential
> trouble brewing down the road and can do something about it before it
> hits the fan, there is value in doing that.
> 
> What I'm finding myself thinking about in this cafe today, however, are
> the paucity of any teachings Maharishi might have given about what to do
> once the problem *has* hit the fan, and is right in your face. I'm
> sitting here searching my memory, and I can't really remember much of
> any advice on the handling of problems other than, essentially, "Run
> away and avoid the problem even now that it *has* come. Instead, dive
> into meditation, and its powerful Woo Woo Rays will fix the problem
> without you getting your hands all muddy."
> 
> I remember in particular a period just before I left the TMO. I was
> working at National, and Maharishi instituted a new policy in which
> major (read "any") decisions had to be approved by a multi-country Board
> Of Governors and, as I hear, unanimously. Jerry Jarvis was the
> representative on this board from the US, and because we worked together
> I occasionally got to hear his frustration with this concept. From his
> point of view, due to the committee nature of it all, almost no problems
> ever got solved by the committee. They'd just talk, talk, talk
> endlessly, never coming to any conclusion or recommending any action,
> and after weeks and occasionally months the problems would have been
> resolved on their own, through total inaction. In his frustrated
> moments, I remember Jerry opining that this may have the whole idea --
> give people the illusion that they have some say in deciding things, but
> then set up a scenario in which they never really get to make any
> decisions.
> 
> Color me not convinced that this approach reflects the world of reality.
> I'm SO not a God freak, or a believer in the notion that the world is
> run by some omnipotent being or Laws Of Nature, and so well that it
> really doesn't need our help in resolving problems, thank you. I think
> that some problems are best met head-on, and "dealt with on the level of
> the problem."
> 
> Then again, I believe in free will, and the possibility that my actions
> really *can* make a difference. I don't think Maharishi did, and that
> belief colored his approach to dealing with -- or in reality *not*
> dealing with -- problems. I think he believed that any "problem" was the
> result of people not being able to tell that everything was already
> perfect. Thus he clung to the perfection of his vision about the
> perfection of things like Vedaland and the Immortality Course and people
> levitating Any Minute Now, and ignored the things that others perceived
> as problems. Like Vedaland being laughed out of existence, graduates of
> the Immortality Course (including him) dying, and people still bouncing
> around on their butts all these years later like frogs on crystal meth.
> Like the world that he described as having entered an age of Sat Yuga
> still allowing one person a minute to starve to death.
> 
> Call me crazy, but my allegiance these days is going to have to be with
> those deluded people "dealing with the problem on the level of the
> problem" and feeding these people instead of trying to sell them
> meditation.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[Bhairitu]

On 06/12/2011 12:31 PM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie
>> and many may be saying "boy that sucked" afterward. In the
>> 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and
>> horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket
>> averaged around 70 cents.
> One of the reasons I am a film freak is that during
> a formative period of my life (age 14 to 18) I lived
> on US Air Force bases. Each of those bases had a movie
> theater, and sometimes more than one. The program
> changed continuously, a different film every night.
> Tickets cost a quarter.
>
> This cost enabled me to grow up as somewhat of a film
> fanatic. If I saw a film at one of the theaters on the
> base and I found that I really liked it, my immediate
> response -- even then -- was to see it again, to try
> to figure out WHY I liked it. And I could. All I had
> to do was to go to another of the theaters on the base
> and most likely it would be playing there the next
> night (the films rotated nightly among the theaters).
> And it would cost me all of another quarter.
>
> On one of the bases I lived on in Morocco, one of the
> three theaters was of a type that I have never seen
> since. It was a walk-in drive-in. Really. There was
> no roof, just rows of concrete benches set up facing
> a full-sized theater screen, flanked by good theater-
> quality speakers. Behind the seats was a projection
> booth and the snack bar. You'd take a blanket and
> maybe some snacks or drinks of your own and watch a
> first-run American movie, above you the amazing
> blanket of stars that was the Moroccan sky.
>
> The movie-going experience has been going downhill
> for me ever since.  :-)

I grew up near a town with a  liberal arts college and in high school I 
saw Fellini and other foreign films at the local theater.  When I went 
to the U of W there was the Ridgemont in Seattle which was mostly all 
foreign films at the time.  Then in the 1970s more theaters such as the 
Harvard Exit and Seven Gables chain opened showing foreign and 
independent films.  I rarely saw a Hollywood film in the 1970s.  
Returning to my hometown during the 1980s another entrepreneur opened a 
couple of multiplexes and had at least one art house film playing in an 
auditorium due to the local college crowd.  I saw many of the foreign 
and indie films of that decade there.

The Bay Area had one art house in nearby Lafayette and when Century 
Theaters built a new multiplex in Pleasant Hill on the other side of the 
freeway they made the old complex a Cinearts.   It is is need of 
remodeling but there is a rift going on between the two owners of the 
mall there and the south end owner where the theaters are doesn't want 
to remodel though the north end owner remodeled.  Of course I saw a lot 
more indie and foreign films Berkeley when gas was cheaper.  My sister 
and brother-in-law liked to attend Sunday matinées with me at the 
Elmwood where a lot of foreign films played.

Of course with a large screen HD set and surround system it is much 
easier to see these films at home now.  Plus there is a pause button. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> If I were to spend money at a theater nowadays I would probably go see
> Terence Mallick's "Tree of Life" which is playing at the local art
house
> barn on two screens. If one of those is the dome it is worth
> attending. Domes were early stadium model theaters and it is one of
the
> remaining ones in the states.
>
> I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may
be
> saying "boy that sucked" afterward. In the 1950's and 60's many went
to
> see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back
> then a ticket averaged around 70 cents.
>
Cost has become a consideration for me.  Two adults and one child
(depending on age) will be close to $30.00.  I like the theatre
environment, (especially the one I often frequent with couches), but I
am weighing the risk and reward a lot more carefully.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie 
> and many may be saying "boy that sucked" afterward. In the 
> 1950's and 60's many went to see some funky sci-fi and 
> horror films just to laugh at them but back then a ticket 
> averaged around 70 cents.

One of the reasons I am a film freak is that during
a formative period of my life (age 14 to 18) I lived 
on US Air Force bases. Each of those bases had a movie 
theater, and sometimes more than one. The program 
changed continuously, a different film every night.
Tickets cost a quarter.

This cost enabled me to grow up as somewhat of a film
fanatic. If I saw a film at one of the theaters on the
base and I found that I really liked it, my immediate
response -- even then -- was to see it again, to try
to figure out WHY I liked it. And I could. All I had
to do was to go to another of the theaters on the base
and most likely it would be playing there the next
night (the films rotated nightly among the theaters).
And it would cost me all of another quarter.

On one of the bases I lived on in Morocco, one of the
three theaters was of a type that I have never seen
since. It was a walk-in drive-in. Really. There was
no roof, just rows of concrete benches set up facing
a full-sized theater screen, flanked by good theater-
quality speakers. Behind the seats was a projection
booth and the snack bar. You'd take a blanket and
maybe some snacks or drinks of your own and watch a
first-run American movie, above you the amazing 
blanket of stars that was the Moroccan sky.

The movie-going experience has been going downhill 
for me ever since.  :-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[Bhairitu]

On 06/12/2011 09:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
>> For a great "popcorn" movie I would recommend "The Troll
>> Hunter" as long as you don't mind subtitles and trolls.
>> Since it's moved into theaters it's available for a
>> reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu. It's
>> sort of a mix between "Blair Witch" and "Cloverfield"
>> (also an Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining.
>> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/
> Andrew O'Hehir of Salon.com loved it:
>
> http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/our_picks/index.html?story=/ent/movies/andrew_ohehir/2011/06/10/trollhunter
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3f3476o

Good article and reflects what I thought about a lot of the film.  As he 
mentions it opened in New York this weekend and more locations in the 
two weeks (mostly all art house).  However it has been playing for 
sometime in the "pre-release" sections of Comcast OnDemand and Vudu and 
not sure anywhere else.   Mark Cuban, who owns Magnolia Films, licenses 
a lot of these indie and foreign films for distribution and having made 
money in tech, licenses them for streaming.  Good idea because art 
houses are dwindling around the country.  The price before it hits the 
theaters is usually $12 for HD and $8 after it hits theaters.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[Bhairitu]

On 06/12/2011 09:43 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed. I was
>> disappointed with Abrams "Star Trek" movie. When it comes to movies
>> with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios
>> stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems.
> This
>> is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business
> making
>> films.
> When I see what gets high marks on sites like Dirty Rotten Tomatoes, and
> see what is bringing in the big box office, the term that comes to mind
> is "sheeple"
>

If I were to spend money at a theater nowadays I would probably go see 
Terence Mallick's "Tree of Life" which is playing at the local art house 
barn on two screens.  If one of those is the dome it is worth 
attending.  Domes were early stadium model theaters and it is one of the 
remaining ones in the states.

I think people just go to a movie to be going to a movie and many may be 
saying "boy that sucked" afterward.  In the 1950's and 60's many went to 
see some funky sci-fi and horror films just to laugh at them but back 
then a ticket averaged around 70 cents.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> For a great "popcorn" movie I would recommend "The Troll
> Hunter" as long as you don't mind subtitles and trolls.
> Since it's moved into theaters it's available for a
> reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu. It's
> sort of a mix between "Blair Witch" and "Cloverfield"
> (also an Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining.
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/

Andrew O'Hehir of Salon.com loved it:

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/movies/our_picks/index.html?story=/ent/movies/andrew_ohehir/2011/06/10/trollhunter

http://tinyurl.com/3f3476o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed. I was
> disappointed with Abrams "Star Trek" movie. When it comes to movies
> with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios
> stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems.
This
> is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business
making
> films.
When I see what gets high marks on sites like Dirty Rotten Tomatoes, and
see what is bringing in the big box office, the term that comes to mind
is "sheeple"

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@
wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > seventhray1:
> > > > Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
> > > > that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
> > > > quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
> > > > lost his touch.
> > >
> > > It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
> > > But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
> > > Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super!
> > > Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL!
> >
> > Maybe you're right. I guess you have to approach the
> > movie with more of an "artistic' outlook. To understand,
> > as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what
> > I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the
> > predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on
> > the nuances of this period. How the producers have
> > created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored
> > stiff, and can just appreciate their "artistic brilliance."
> > I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00
> > back.
>
> Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches
> me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-)
Makes sense.  I'm embarrassed to say that it's the second burn in a row.
A couple weeks ago, we saw Thor.  I did no preliminary research, and
went on the spur of the moment.  Bad move IMO.  My wife keeps
recommending the Woody Allen movie, and as in most instances her
recommendations are right.  So maybe we'll check it out.
> So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your
> (seventhray's) assessment. Especially "the producers
> have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind
> being bored stiff." That nails it.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[Bhairitu]

On 06/12/2011 08:40 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>>> seventhray1:
 Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
 that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
 quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
 lost his touch.
>>> It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
>>> But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
>>> Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super!
>>> Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL!
>> Maybe you're right.  I guess you have to approach the
>> movie with more of an "artistic' outlook. To understand,
>> as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what
>> I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the
>> predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on
>> the nuances of this period. How the producers have
>> created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored
>> stiff, and can just appreciate their "artistic brilliance."
>> I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00
>> back.
> Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches
> me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-)
>
> So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your
> (seventhray's) assessment. Especially "the producers
> have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind
> being bored stiff." That nails it.

To clarify, Spielberg produced it and JJ Abrams directed.  I was 
disappointed with Abrams "Star Trek" movie.  When it comes to movies 
with big budgets you can be sure the accounts and execs at the studios 
stick the stupid noses into the productions and make for problems.  This 
is why Hollywood is going downhill, accountants have no business making 
films.

"The Secret Lives of Others" was a great film but I watched "The 
Tourist" on Friday written and directed by the same guy and it was 
terrible.  I don't know what went wrong there but it may again be the 
director wanting to take the film one way and the studio another (like 
stupid homage to the big budget spy films of the 60s).

Spain has been making some great films these days and I cleaned my 
palate afterwards by watching "Diary of a Nymphomaniac" which was very 
steamy, had lots of flesh and certainly not for amateur brahmacharis but 
a well written, directed and produced story.  Of course it wasn't a 
popcorn movie either:
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Diary_of_a_Nymphomaniac/70136065
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt890/

For a great "popcorn" movie I would recommend "The Troll Hunter" as long 
as you don't mind subtitles and trolls.  Since it's moved into theaters 
it's available for a reasonable price online and I watched it on Vudu.  
It's sort of a mix between "Blair Witch" and "Cloverfield" (also an 
Abrams film) but well done and very entertaining.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1740707/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > seventhray1:
> > > Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
> > > that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
> > > quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
> > > lost his touch.
> >
> > It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
> > But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
> > Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super!
> > Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL!
> 
> Maybe you're right.  I guess you have to approach the 
> movie with more of an "artistic' outlook. To understand, 
> as Harry puts it, how cool this era is. Ignore, ( what 
> I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the 
> predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on 
> the nuances of this period. How the producers have 
> created a brilliant film, if you don't mind being bored 
> stiff, and can just appreciate their "artistic brilliance."  
> I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00
> back.

Excellent review, one that synchronistically catches
me watching it at home, for free. Pirate. :-)

So far (I'm about halfway through), I agree with your
(seventhray's) assessment. Especially "the producers
have created a brilliant film, if you don't mind 
being bored stiff." That nails it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[seventhray1]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
>
>
> seventhray1:
> > Super 8. Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding
> > that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this
> > quality movie. But then again, it seems to me he's
> > lost his touch.
> >
> It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
> But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in
> Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super!
> Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL!
Maybe you're right.  I guess you have to approach the movie with more of
an "artistic' outlook.   To understand, as Harry puts it, how cool this
era is.  Ignore, ( what I feel) are the lame plot, the tired roles, the
predictability, the CG overkill, and instead focus on the nuanes of this
period.  How the producers have created a brilliant film, if you don't
mind being bored stiff, and can just appreciate their "artistic
brilliance."  I just wish there was some way for me to get my $24.00
back.
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49854
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid....

[WillyTex]

seventhray1:
> Super 8.  Corny, dumb, boring. Sort of astounding 
> that Steven Spielberg produces or co-produces this 
> quality movie.  But then again, it seems to me he's 
> lost his touch.
>
It's got the quality, but the story may be too simple.
But, it's not any more simple than 'Raiders'. Up in 
Austin, Harry thinks SUPER 8 is pretty damn super! 
Maybe you're too old to appreciate the kids. LoL!

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49854

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid The Problem Before It Comes(TM)

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> We have crafted this new antinegativityware 
> product with the TM Raja in mind... 
> 
If it's software you wrote, I'd pass. We've
already been thought this before, with you
code cult guys writing software and trying to
help out computer users. Your name is mud all
over the World Wide Web. So, maybe it would be
a good thing for you to keep your pie hole 
shut about computer software.

"Preaching enlightenment through computer 
science, Lenz's organization offers a series 
of classes in database management and computer 
systems, but then pushes neophyte programmers 
to misrepresent themselves in order to obtain 
lucrative computer consulting contracts - and 
turn most of the proceeds over to him..."

Read more:

'The Code Cult of the CPU Guru'
By Zachary Margulis
Wired, Issue 2.04 
http://tinyurl.com/klj2g5

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "yifuxero" 
wrote:
>
> --The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest obstacle
> to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense.  Total trash.
> One might as well say, "The desire to acquire a million desires is
> the greatest obstacle to it".
>  The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go
> around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)...>


>  1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened.
>  2. Give up all techniques and just "Be".>>

I could do both of these if only I could get up early in the morning,
but no matter how hard I try, I cannot get up early in the morning.
Therefore, my desire to get up in the morning is the obstacle to me
getting enlightened.
Therefore, I think I'll just lie in, and see what happens.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment

[Arhata Osho]

The 'above title' states my viewpoint, particularly, 'talk of enlightenment'.
Talk of experienced love makes far more sense.  Ask any woman!
Arhata












--The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest 
obstacle 

to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense.  Total trash.

One might as well say, "The desire to acquire a million desires is 

the greatest obstacle to it".

 The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go 

around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)...

 1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened.

 2. Give up all techniques and just "Be".

One might argue that acquiring a million dollars is in the category 

of "getting something", whereas Enlightenment is "undoing".

OK, fine - but getting something and undoing (especially the latter); 

in real life is not an instantaneous affair, and - if you question 

lots of people - you will find that even those 

advocating "instantaneous Awakening" have a long history of prior 

Sadhana before coming to that realization.

 Take HWL Poonja. As he narrates in the biography by David Godman, at 

one time he was an ordinary dude with no strong interest in spiritual 

matters, when his work as an engineer took him to Tamil Nadu and the 

region of Tiruvannamalai. (near Arunachala, the abode of Ramana 

Maharshi).

 He comes into Ramana's cave and after getting over the initial blast 

of Shakti, tells Ramana about his recurring visions of Krishna.  

Ramana says, "are you having a vision of Krishna right now?".

Poonja realizes or "AWAKENS" to the fact of the "already" prior, 

innate ground of being, and becomes Self-Realized on the spot with no 

Sadhana at all. 

 But then if one reads further, Poonja says that he was an advanced 

Krishna Bhakta Yogi in his previous incarnation.

 Therefore, his Sadhana was already done/finished before walking into 

the Presence of Ramana to receive the last blast of Shaki coupled 

with simple statements.

 Then, years pass - from the 40's into the 70's and 80's.  People 

flock to see Poonja and pay him to say "give up all techniques and 

just Be".

 That's what Poonja did in the presence of Ramana, but AFTER 

undergoing lifetimes of Sadhana.

 The bottom line is, the usual "Satsang" messages of the many Neo-

Advaitins don't work.  

Let's try it now:  When we hear "You are already Enlightened, give up 

all techniques right now and just "Be"!

Did that work?  Didn't think so.

Though "undoing" is in a different category of effort than "doing", 

if one fills a ditch with dirt and undoes the work, the undoing takes 

an equal amount of effort.

 In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Arhata Osho  

wrote:

>

> 

> 

> It is good that the desire for enlightenment seems far away, 

because the 

> 

> desire for enlightenment is the greatest barrier in attaining it.

> 

> 

> 

> It is one of the eternal questions for the seekers of truth. On the 

one 

> 

> hand the masters go on saying, "Attain enlightenment, " and on the 

other 

> 

> hand they go on saying, "Don't desire it." And it has been a great 

puzzle 

> 

> for the poor disciple. The master is saying both things: desire it, 

and 

> 

> don't desire it. Desire it because it is the only thing desirable; 

don't 

> 

> desire it because desire becomes a barrier.

> 

> 

> 

> Not to create that puzzle for you, my way of working has been 

different. 

> 

> Just being with you, talking or not talking, just giving my whole 

heart to 

> 

> you and creating a situation in which you can taste something of 

> 

> enlightenment. .. even that small taste of enlightenment will be 

enough for 

> 

> you to stop here and now in this moment. You will forget all 

desires, 

> 

> enlightenment included.

> 

> 

> 

> If a situation can be created in which you are so blissful, so 

contented, 

> 

> that just for a moment there is no desire in your mind, you have 

learned a 

> 

> great lesson -- that if this state of no-desire can continue every 

moment, 

> 

> you need not bother about enlightenment: it will come to you. You 

have not 

> 

> to go to it. It is not an object sitting somewhere that you have to 

desire 

> 

> and find and work hard and go to it. It is simply your own state 

when there 

> 

> is no desire.

> 

> 

> 

> This desirelessness is the most blissful state possible, and 

enlightenment 

> 

> is another name for it. Knowing it even for one moment is enough, 

because 

> 

> you are never given by life two moments together; it is always one 

moment. 

> 

> And if you know the secret, the alchemy of transforming this 

moment, you 

> 

> know the whole secret of transforming life, because the next moment 

will 

> 

> also be the same. You can do to it what you have done before; you 

can 

> 

> continue in desirelessness.

> 

> 

> 

> ~~ from The Path of the Mystic, ch 2

>




  




 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Avoid Enlightenment

[yifuxero]

--The idea that the desire for Enlightenment is the greatest obstacle 
to attaining it is a bunch of Neo-Advaitin nonsense.  Total trash.
One might as well say, "The desire to acquire a million desires is 
the greatest obstacle to it".
 The statement would be true if all it took were for people to go 
around saying things like: (alone the lines of HWL Poonja)...
 1. Awaken to the realization that you are already Enlightened.
 2. Give up all techniques and just "Be".
One might argue that acquiring a million dollars is in the category 
of "getting something", whereas Enlightenment is "undoing".
OK, fine - but getting something and undoing (especially the latter); 
in real life is not an instantaneous affair, and - if you question 
lots of people - you will find that even those 
advocating "instantaneous Awakening" have a long history of prior 
Sadhana before coming to that realization.
 Take HWL Poonja. As he narrates in the biography by David Godman, at 
one time he was an ordinary dude with no strong interest in spiritual 
matters, when his work as an engineer took him to Tamil Nadu and the 
region of Tiruvannamalai. (near Arunachala, the abode of Ramana 
Maharshi).
 He comes into Ramana's cave and after getting over the initial blast 
of Shakti, tells Ramana about his recurring visions of Krishna.  
Ramana says, "are you having a vision of Krishna right now?".
Poonja realizes or "AWAKENS" to the fact of the "already" prior, 
innate ground of being, and becomes Self-Realized on the spot with no 
Sadhana at all. 
 But then if one reads further, Poonja says that he was an advanced 
Krishna Bhakta Yogi in his previous incarnation.
 Therefore, his Sadhana was already done/finished before walking into 
the Presence of Ramana to receive the last blast of Shaki coupled 
with simple statements.
 Then, years pass - from the 40's into the 70's and 80's.  People 
flock to see Poonja and pay him to say "give up all techniques and 
just Be".
 That's what Poonja did in the presence of Ramana, but AFTER 
undergoing lifetimes of Sadhana.
 The bottom line is, the usual "Satsang" messages of the many Neo-
Advaitins don't work.  
Let's try it now:  When we hear "You are already Enlightened, give up 
all techniques right now and just "Be"!
Did that work?  Didn't think so.
Though "undoing" is in a different category of effort than "doing", 
if one fills a ditch with dirt and undoes the work, the undoing takes 
an equal amount of effort.
 In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> It is good that the desire for enlightenment seems far away, 
because the 
> 
> desire for enlightenment is the greatest barrier in attaining it.
> 
> 
> 
> It is one of the eternal questions for the seekers of truth. On the 
one 
> 
> hand the masters go on saying, "Attain enlightenment, " and on the 
other 
> 
> hand they go on saying, "Don't desire it." And it has been a great 
puzzle 
> 
> for the poor disciple. The master is saying both things: desire it, 
and 
> 
> don't desire it. Desire it because it is the only thing desirable; 
don't 
> 
> desire it because desire becomes a barrier.
> 
> 
> 
> Not to create that puzzle for you, my way of working has been 
different. 
> 
> Just being with you, talking or not talking, just giving my whole 
heart to 
> 
> you and creating a situation in which you can taste something of 
> 
> enlightenment. .. even that small taste of enlightenment will be 
enough for 
> 
> you to stop here and now in this moment. You will forget all 
desires, 
> 
> enlightenment included.
> 
> 
> 
> If a situation can be created in which you are so blissful, so 
contented, 
> 
> that just for a moment there is no desire in your mind, you have 
learned a 
> 
> great lesson -- that if this state of no-desire can continue every 
moment, 
> 
> you need not bother about enlightenment: it will come to you. You 
have not 
> 
> to go to it. It is not an object sitting somewhere that you have to 
desire 
> 
> and find and work hard and go to it. It is simply your own state 
when there 
> 
> is no desire.
> 
> 
> 
> This desirelessness is the most blissful state possible, and 
enlightenment 
> 
> is another name for it. Knowing it even for one moment is enough, 
because 
> 
> you are never given by life two moments together; it is always one 
moment. 
> 
> And if you know the secret, the alchemy of transforming this 
moment, you 
> 
> know the whole secret of transforming life, because the next moment 
will 
> 
> also be the same. You can do to it what you have done before; you 
can 
> 
> continue in desirelessness.
> 
> 
> 
> ~~ from The Path of the Mystic, ch 2
>