[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-03 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Yes, in contrast to dropping hallucinogens hoping for a bio-chemical opening, 'Being' forced through an immature energy system ( a system not ready or properly prepared, even of long term TM'ers) can cause its own

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-03 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Yes, in contrast to dropping hallucinogens hoping for a bio-chemical opening, 'Being' forced through an immature energy system ( a system not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-02 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a fascinating experience, but I've never heard of TM or TM-SIdhis practice causing the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-02 Thread Tom Pall
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 5:07 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Tom Pall thomas.pall@... wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a fascinating

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-02 Thread Buck
Yeah, though the heavy metal poisoning of ayurvedic medicine is different from this psychedelic central nervous system damage like of ayahuasca. Either way it points to the razor's edge of sound mental-health bio-chemistry. The folks that got metal poisoned neurologically are getting kelated

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-02 Thread Buck
Yes, in contrast to dropping hallucinogens hoping for a bio-chemical opening, 'Being' forced through an immature energy system ( a system not ready or properly prepared, even of long term TM'ers) can cause its own problems. It certainly can cause physical movement like you're talking or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-01 Thread Buck
Ayahuasca toxicity, yes, in some Fairfield meditators too. But generally the toxicity of this stuff is something I've run across in 'seeking'-people otherwise. It can't be unknown because clearly it happens. People wrecking their physiology with Ayahuasca as a neuro-halucinagetic concocted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-01 Thread wayback71
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Ayahuasca toxicity, yes, in some Fairfield meditators too. But generally the toxicity of this stuff is something I've run across in 'seeking'-people otherwise. It can't be unknown because clearly it happens. People

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-01 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:36 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-07-01 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:58 AM, sparaig wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? No I wasn't. OK, so which neurotoxin overdose resulting from TM/TM-Sidhis practice were you talking about then? L.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread raviyogi2009
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has created neurotoxic reactions in numerous TMers, do you have any info or research findings on That? You being a supposed former

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:36 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has created neurotoxic reactions in numerous TMers, do you have any info or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:36 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread whynotnow7
Obviously neurotoxic reactions presenting in both patients, Dr. Ravi. Do you concur? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raviyogi2009 raviyogi@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread Ravi Yogi
Yes I concur, classic PTMSD - Post TM Stress Disorder. I mean picture this - a dirty, old, obviously homeless guy accosts you on the streets of Fairfield, haggles you for research on TM causing neurotoxic reactions and you go - OMG, Vaj is that you??? and he beats a hasty retreat..LOL.. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread whynotnow7
I can think of very little that would be less satisfying to me than to sit on a forum and dispense rumors and stories about a spiritual technique and teacher that I don't have any personal involvement with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Yogi raviyogi@... wrote: Yes I concur,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Buck wrote: Ayahuasca as a neuro-toxin, anybody have experience with this? We've been running into people with this. They've tried ayahuasca hoping for spiritual experience and have instead

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread Vaj
On Jun 30, 2011, at 10:58 AM, sparaig wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? No I wasn't.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread richardjwilliamstexas
Are you referring to serotonin overdose? Vaj: No I wasn't. Any kind of decoction could be termed 'ayahusca', which is probably similar to the Vedic Soma. The secret ingredients were probably lost long before the Vedic Age. In South America there are all kinds of decoctions that have been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardjwilliamstexas willytex@... wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? Vaj: No I wasn't. Any kind of decoction could be termed 'ayahusca', which is probably similar to the Vedic Soma. The secret ingredients were probably lost

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread Tom Pall
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:58 AM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: Are you referring to serotonin overdose? I've had that. It's a fascinating experience, but I've never heard of TM or TM-SIdhis practice causing the symptoms I observed: unable to drink even a 1/2 class of water from a tall

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-30 Thread richardjwilliamstexas
But, apparently, the secret of the Soma decoction has been lost since well before 1500 B.C. when the Aryans migrated from Persia into India. cardemaister: According to Bal Gangadhar Tilak, they moved originally from the North Pole: According to the David Frawley, the Aryans

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread turquoiseb
I've never experienced it personally, but knew a few in Santa Fe who had. One was a one-time girlfriend of Tim Leary, who had done it with him. Neither struck me as models of what I would call in touch with reality. That said, based on my own experiments with Better Living Through Chemistry in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: Ayahuasca as a neuro-toxin, anybody have experience with this? We've been running into people with this. They've tried ayahuasca hoping for spiritual experience and have instead fried their nervous systems. Where did they

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread whynotnow7
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has created neurotoxic reactions in numerous TMers, do you have any info or research findings on That? You being a supposed former practitioner of both programs, do you also imagine spiders crawling on

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread richardjwilliamstexas
Buck: Ayahuasca as a neuro-toxin, anybody have experience with this? Oh yeah, but down here people usually just smoke their DMT. LoL!!!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread Vaj
On Jun 29, 2011, at 7:36 PM, whynotnow7 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: TM and the TM-Sidhi program has created neurotoxic reactions in numerous TMers, do you have any info or research findings on That? You being a supposed former practitioner of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ayahuasca Toxicology

2011-06-29 Thread Vaj
On Jun 29, 2011, at 8:59 PM, richardjwilliamstexas wrote: Buck: Ayahuasca as a neuro-toxin, anybody have experience with this? Oh yeah, but down here people usually just smoke their DMT. LoL!!! Oh well, at least they have a respect for time, no? A 20 minute trip is a businessman's